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(FilmDrunk)   People are pissed that Zach Braff (Net Worth $22,000,000) is using Kickstarter to fund his $2 million dollar project. Fark: Less than one day in and he's already raised $1.2 million   (filmdrunk.uproxx.com ) divider line
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2013-04-25 06:20:15 AM  
Hmm. Not a huge fan, but come on.  The guy asks for $2m. Gets $1.2m in a day. Seems not everyone is annoyed. Can't say pi**ed - bad word over here.
 
2013-04-25 06:51:42 AM  
I'd pay *not* to see another Zach Braff movie.
 
2013-04-25 06:53:30 AM  
Kickstarter is stupid, and so is anyone who contributes.
 
2013-04-25 06:54:14 AM  

Why use your own money in a risky venture when you can use someone else's? And as a bonus there's practically no legal obligations either. Kickstarter is the greatest thing ever for the 1%.


/it's pretty cool for the 99% as well.

//Kickstarter is not a store!

 
2013-04-25 06:57:19 AM  

swaxhog: //Kickstarter is not a store!


Whenever a saying along the lines of "X is not Y" is repeated by lots of people on the Internets, what it really means is "X is a cleverly disguised Y."
 
2013-04-25 07:07:19 AM  
Kickstarter is great! All of the joys of investing without the annoying possibility of making a profit!
 
2013-04-25 07:09:07 AM  
Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

Would finance half a Wonderfalls revival, were it to happen.

/good money for good causes
//vote with your wallet
 
2013-04-25 07:11:37 AM  
So he's worth $22 million - does that mean a significant portion of it is in liquid assets, and can easily be put up as an investment without disrupting his financial planning?
 
2013-04-25 07:12:46 AM  

CarnySaur: I'd pay *not* to see another Zach Braff movie.


I agree. Garden State is one of the most horrible movies I've ever seen. Not quite Face/Off bad, or Julia Roberts bad, but pretty bad. Maybe his kickstarter could be for $2,000,002.00 and he could send me the $2 or whatever it cost to rent that piece of shiat.
 
2013-04-25 07:14:17 AM  
Another good idea corrupted. Next up the Kardashians .

 Fark Zach and his BS stories. There greater stories waiting to be told than than his recycle shat. We all read Philip Roth and the seventies are over.  ( Yeah I am sick of the same old archetypes.)

// Reminds me reading how Robert Redford received monies from National Endowment for Arts for his Sundance Festival.

( talk about corporate welfare ..paying multi millionaires .)
 
2013-04-25 07:15:05 AM  

robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.


I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.
 
2013-04-25 07:21:03 AM  
fool and their money..ect.
 
2013-04-25 07:21:49 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.


People place different values on different things. To me, seeing a 90 minute movie was worth 7500 dollars.

/the wife spends nearly that on clothing every month
 
2013-04-25 07:25:42 AM  
Go ahead and get used to that. Why put up your own cash when you can dullard-source, risk nothing, and keep everything?
 
2013-04-25 07:26:20 AM  
So? Kickstarter is just a new variation on the same hustles nearly every independent filmmaker does to raise money. How is this any different than Paul Thomas Anderson or Spike Lee hitting up investors, even though they are both wealthy?

It wasn't just going to be some co-op for nerds to raise money to get films made from cancelled TV shows.
 
2013-04-25 07:27:45 AM  
Rule #1 in Hollywood - Never use your own money.
 
2013-04-25 07:31:02 AM  

swaxhog: Why use your own money in a risky venture when you can use someone else's? And as a bonus there's practically no legal obligations either. Kickstarter is the greatest thing ever for the 1%.


/it's pretty cool for the 99% as well.


Well, there  are legal obligations. The challenge is that since your commitment is spread across a large number of supporters, no one supporter has the means (or likely has the money invested) to hold you to that commitment. People  have gotten their money back from failed Kickstarters.

eiger: Kickstarter is great! All of the joys of investing without the annoying possibility of making a profit!


Yes, because businesses are always on the look out for someone to invest $15. Your $15 is going to make or break their quarter, dontcha know.

Yes, you could buy stocks for $15, but unless you get  extremely lucky, you're not about to make any serious bank on that, either.
 
2013-04-25 07:34:11 AM  

robohobo: Prank Call of Cthulhu: robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.

People place different values on different things. To me, seeing a 90 minute movie was worth 7500 dollars.

/the wife spends nearly that on clothing every month


If you're interested, I can film 90 min. worth of boring tripe and cliche rom-com/drama lines for half that.  Hell, I'll even make it HD.  Plus my wife will show you her titties.
 
2013-04-25 07:36:01 AM  

Farce-Side: robohobo: Prank Call of Cthulhu: robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.

People place different values on different things. To me, seeing a 90 minute movie was worth 7500 dollars.

/the wife spends nearly that on clothing every month

If you're interested, I can film 90 min. worth of boring tripe and cliche rom-com/drama lines for half that.  Hell, I'll even make it HD.  Plus my wife will show you her titties.


You don't place much value on your wife or her titties.
 
2013-04-25 07:37:24 AM  
I'm pretty sure they're pissed that his project is Garden State 2
 
2013-04-25 07:38:07 AM  

robohobo: Prank Call of Cthulhu: robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.

People place different values on different things. To me, seeing a 90 minute movie was worth 7500 dollars.

/the wife spends nearly that on clothing every month


While I'm sure it's nice having the means and all... that seems like a very vapid existence. It's your money though, do what you will.
 
2013-04-25 07:39:18 AM  

Jensaarai: swaxhog: //Kickstarter is not a store!

Whenever a saying along the lines of "X is not Y" is repeated by lots of people on the Internets, what it really means is "X is a cleverly disguised Y."


It took people a solid three years to figure out that Kickstarter is a store. Bands were sending autographed t-shirts instead of the farking album you sponsored.
 
2013-04-25 07:42:56 AM  
How much do I have to donate for him to convince Sarah Chalke to do a nude scene?  I'm in for that.
 
2013-04-25 07:45:56 AM  

Annoyance: While I'm sure it's nice having the means and all... that seems like a very vapid existence.


Right.  Because a non-vapid existence would entail giving some of that money to you.

/Some Farkers love to talk loads about things they know nothing about. [insert that ol' copy-pasta here]
//also, robohobo could be trolling us all... in which case, YOU GOT FISHED, BRAH.
 
2013-04-25 07:47:05 AM  

moothemagiccow: Bands were sending autographed t-shirts instead of the farking album you sponsored.


Bands are still doing that, which still makes it a storeish. They "sell" t-shirts at a really high markup to fund their album. But they also "sell" the album itself, or at least the promise of the album at some future date.
 
2013-04-25 07:48:48 AM  
Whatever guys, I didn't believe in kick starter until I gave $41,854 to finance the new Gucci handbag design. You see, my wife is totally hot, and loves purses. She buys like...I dunno, twenty of them a month! And that was only a small percentage of the $4,675,896 AND twenty four cents in my third bank account.

I place value in throwing my money down the drain! Don't all of you anonymous friends like me more now? Don't you? DON'T YOU?!?
 
2013-04-25 07:50:55 AM  

robohobo: You don't place much value on your wife or her titties.


She's an exhibitionist.  She'd probably show them to you for free.  Why not make some money from it, amirite?
 
2013-04-25 07:52:43 AM  
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Waaah - someone I don't like is asking people I don't know for money to make something I won't see. Waaah!

Don't like it? Don't contribute. You literally have to do NOTHING to "stick it to him".

/Lot of whiny twats out there.
 
2013-04-25 08:01:46 AM  

t3knomanser: moothemagiccow: Bands were sending autographed t-shirts instead of the farking album you sponsored.

Bands are still doing that, which still makes it a storeish. They "sell" t-shirts at a really high markup to fund their album. But they also "sell" the album itself, or at least the promise of the album at some future date.


Nah, what makes it a storeish is people failing to follow up on their campaign on time because they have no idea how to mass-produce a product.

There was a guy selling iphone cases and by the time he was talking to factories, apple had released the next model of iphone.
 
2013-04-25 08:04:30 AM  

nakedcritic: Waaah - someone I don't like is asking people I don't know for money to make something I won't see. Waaah! Don't like it? Don't contribute. You literally have to do NOTHING to "stick it to him".


This; I don't see anything wrong here.  It's certainly depressing to see idiots giving their money to someone who doesn't need it to fund a piece of crap, but it's not illegal.  I wish the 99% would fund projects that would otherwise not get done because they're done by the 99%, but it's pretty much a given that idiots and tripe go hand-in-hand.  AVGN scraped together $300k to make his movie while Twilight grossed almost $400 million; that's the way the world works.  But without Kickstarter, Twilight would still exist while there'd be no AVGN movie at all.
 
2013-04-25 08:05:52 AM  

dragonchild: But without Kickstarter, Twilight would still exist while there'd be no AVGN movie at all.


OK, so it's IndieGoGo, but the basic concept is the same.
 
2013-04-25 08:06:34 AM  

Farce-Side: robohobo: You don't place much value on your wife or her titties.

She's an exhibitionist.  She'd probably show them to you for free.  Why not make some money from it, amirite?


BIE, EIP.
 
2013-04-25 08:14:34 AM  
... and now you know why he is worth $22,000,000.
 
2013-04-25 08:15:17 AM  

stoli n coke: So? Kickstarter is just a new variation on the same hustles nearly every independent filmmaker does to raise money. How is this any different than Paul Thomas Anderson or Spike Lee hitting up investors, even though they are both wealthy?

It wasn't just going to be some co-op for nerds to raise money to get films made from cancelled TV shows.


I would say the only difference is that Spike and PT have to at least pretend their investors have some chance of making money back.

Not a criticism of Kickstarter, mind you. Just answering your question.
 
2013-04-25 08:18:54 AM  

bluecrabscribe: How much do I have to donate for him to convince Sarah Chalke to do a nude scene?  I'm in for that.


She got disgustingly skinny at the end of scrubs. I hope she's overcome that because her at the start of that show was serious dayuuuuuum territory. She became hffa
 
2013-04-25 08:20:00 AM  
Good for him. The whole Joe Biden trans am thing failed miserably so as far as I am concerned the system works. I think it's going to be an interesting experiment when you take away the corporate filter and allow people to vote for what they want. So far it's been an assload of steampunk e-books, iPad accessories and nerd rap albums.

It's kind of hilarious that the model used to be "sell out, make a lot of money and set up your own studio. Then do your personal films," when now it's turning into "dazzle suckers with a good marketing pitch"
 
2013-04-25 08:21:30 AM  
You know what the first rule of show business is ?

Never put your own money in the show.

And what is the second rule ?

NEVER PUT. YOUR OWN MONEY. IN THE SHOW !!!!
 
2013-04-25 08:23:57 AM  

padraig: Never put your own money in the show.


That only works if you start out with a guild membership.
 
2013-04-25 08:26:23 AM  
Robert Altman and Coppola were well-known for putting tens of thousands if not millions up to get projects started but hey, you're the INSIDER.
 
2013-04-25 08:26:26 AM  
Every picture ever taken of Zach Braff is of him staring off into the middle distance. Every one.
 
2013-04-25 08:26:40 AM  
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-04-25 08:26:45 AM  

moothemagiccow: what makes it a storeish is people failing to follow up on their campaign on time because they have no idea how to mass-produce a product


That always cracks me up. I'll see Kickstarters where the estimated delivery date is one month after funding closes.
 
2013-04-25 08:28:37 AM  

stoli n coke: How is this any different than Paul Thomas Anderson or Spike Lee hitting up investors, even though they are both wealthy?


investors get more than a photocopy of a poster and zachs autograph. or whatever crap he gives  the backers
 
2013-04-25 08:31:48 AM  
Look up the concept and advantage of using Other Peoples Money
 
2013-04-25 08:36:49 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: stoli n coke: How is this any different than Paul Thomas Anderson or Spike Lee hitting up investors, even though they are both wealthy?

investors get more than a photocopy of a poster and zachs autograph. or whatever crap he gives  the backers


This one is my favorite:
$9000 "VISUAL EFFECTS MADE POSSIBLE BY" END CREDIT// You will share the screen with up to nine other backers on a special end credit card that will be on both the theatrical and video release of the film for all time. I wouldn't be able to afford to shoot the complex visual effects fantasy sequences without your help. Thank you, you will be part of this film forever

At 10k you get to be an extra.

This one is my second fave:
$150 SIGNED "GARDEN STATE" DVD// Your own personal copy of the film, and I will sign the DVD jacket for you.
 
2013-04-25 08:39:14 AM  

CarnySaur: I'd pay *not* to see another Zach Braff movie.


QFT
 
2013-04-25 08:44:12 AM  
I'm farking sick of hearing about kickstarter
 
2013-04-25 08:47:33 AM  
Zach Braff went on to explain why it isnt a big deal in a heart felt voice over back by a catching acoustic indie tune and everything made sense.
 
2013-04-25 08:48:16 AM  

Jensaarai: swaxhog: //Kickstarter is not a store!

Whenever a saying along the lines of "X is not Y" is repeated by lots of people on the Internets, what it really means is "X is a cleverly disguised Y."


Atheism is not a religion. Hey you're right! This is fun!
 
2013-04-25 09:18:16 AM  
I don't get it. Would these same people be pissed off if he got 10 private backers to each kick in $200,000 for the project instead of getting 100,000 public investors to each kick in $20?

I mean... I personally see no reason I would want to invest based on the offered payback, but that's just me. If I'm gonna give a guy worth $22,000,000 some of my money to go do something I expect to a cut of the profit AND my name on an end credit card.

/ I have no idea who Zach Braff is....
 
2013-04-25 09:18:30 AM  
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Using other people's money High Five.
 
2013-04-25 09:24:21 AM  
For all he's done he's only worth $22mil?

Huh
 
2013-04-25 09:24:33 AM  
I don't begrudge the guy a dime, but how is Zach Braff worth $22 million?  I guess I would have just expected he was worth less.
 
2013-04-25 09:26:09 AM  
I'm getting tired of the butthurt around celebrities who have money using Kickstarter to fund projects.

Kickstarter is about democratizing creative ideas. If you want to see the idea go forward, you contribute what you feel it's worth. If you don't want to see it move forward or if you don't trust the party behind it to follow through, you put your wallet away and go on with your day.

The only difference between this system and the old way of producing something and trying to sell it is that it allows the creative person to put the financial risk onto the consumer instead of a publisher. This means that projects that publishers wouldn't touch (but which consumers want) are more likely to move forward if there's public support. And it also gives the creative people better control since they're not trying to appeal to some mythical "target market" but rather, to a specific market of people they can tap for feedback.

Why do so many people have to be so cynical and try to suggest that Kickstarter is being used by rich people to fleece everyone else?  I've backed dozens of Kickstarter projects and found it to be a rewarding experience. More often than not, the people running the campaigns are humbled by the support and work twice as hard because they're directly accountable to their supporters. There have been some bad apple projects, but again -- if you got yourself involved in one of those, it was because you ignored the warning signs and took a bad risk.
 
2013-04-25 09:34:16 AM  

secularsage: And it also gives the creative people better control since they're not trying to appeal to some mythical "target market" but rather, to a specific market of people they can tap for feedback.


I can see the better control argument, but if you think he's making this film for shiats and not thinking about a target market where it will be a hit and earn him money, you're out of your mind.
 
2013-04-25 09:34:49 AM  

CarnySaur: I'd pay *not* to see another Zach Braff movie.


Cool.  Send me ten bucks and when you see a theater showing the movie, don't go in.

Send me another ten bucks and you can also not buy the DVD.  I toss "don't buy the Bluray" for free.
 
2013-04-25 09:37:06 AM  
If you contributed to this, be sure to tell us that the next time you go on your "HOLLYWOOD IS OUT OF IDEAS" bullshiat. See, this makes you part of the problem. And, thanks in advance for making the first motion picture adaptation of an app happen.
 
2013-04-25 09:40:22 AM  

assjuice: Kickstarter is stupid, and so is anyone who contributes.

Clam down, Indiegogo.  We all know your model is so different.
 
2013-04-25 09:40:59 AM  

moothemagiccow: At 10k you get to be an extra.



That's great. It's like he thought "I can't afford to pay extras $50 a day on this tight budget... maybe I can get the extras to pay me!"
 
2013-04-25 09:47:24 AM  

Farce-Side: robohobo: You don't place much value on your wife or her titties.

She's an exhibitionist.  She'd probably show them to you for free.  Why not make some money from it, amirite?


Why don't you have her show us first, then we pay what we feel they are worth.

/EIP just in case
//Am I doing this right?  Never can tell
 
2013-04-25 09:48:19 AM  

CarnySaur: I'd pay *not* to see another Zach Braff movie.


www.dorktower.com
 
2013-04-25 09:48:28 AM  
I assume Amanda Palmer and a gang of suckers who paid for the privilege of Ms. Palmer's presence will be doing the soundtrack?
 
2013-04-25 09:49:55 AM  
I'm rooting for the kickstarter model if it means no studios are meddling with the project. Add to that new ways to distribute films on the net and streaming services that can bypass all that MPAA "have to get it down to a PG-13/R" bullshiat. This can be a really good thing.
 
2013-04-25 09:52:37 AM  
Get a following on Facebook/Youtube/Twitter/etc

Announce a project

Kindly ask your loving followers to donate one or two dollars

Profit

Seems like a good idea to me.
 
2013-04-25 09:55:20 AM  
Remember when Zach Braff left Scrubs because he hated how it was "holding him back." So they ended the show. Then he didn't do shiat. Then they brought back some form of aborted Scrubs. Starring him. Cuz he wanted the money/work. Then it failed. And he didn't do shiat.

Yeah.

Screw him.
 
2013-04-25 10:01:48 AM  

secularsage: I'm getting tired of the butthurt around celebrities who have money using Kickstarter to fund projects.

Kickstarter is about democratizing creative ideas. If you want to see the idea go forward, you contribute what you feel it's worth. If you don't want to see it move forward or if you don't trust the party behind it to follow through, you put your wallet away and go on with your day.

The only difference between this system and the old way of producing something and trying to sell it is that it allows the creative person to put the financial risk onto the consumer instead of a publisher. This means that projects that publishers wouldn't touch (but which consumers want) are more likely to move forward if there's public support. And it also gives the creative people better control since they're not trying to appeal to some mythical "target market" but rather, to a specific market of people they can tap for feedback.

Why do so many people have to be so cynical and try to suggest that Kickstarter is being used by rich people to fleece everyone else?  I've backed dozens of Kickstarter projects and found it to be a rewarding experience. More often than not, the people running the campaigns are humbled by the support and work twice as hard because they're directly accountable to their supporters. There have been some bad apple projects, but again -- if you got yourself involved in one of those, it was because you ignored the warning signs and took a bad risk.


In what way are they accountable to their supporters? They need to ship a product. In this case, he needs to release a finished movie. It doesn't have to be successful. It doesn't have to play in a million theaters worldwide. It doesn't have to come out on video. It doesn't have to make one cent. Each kickstarter donation is just that, a donation. All he needs to deliver is the movie and these weird gifts. How is that motivation to succeed?

I think the argument here is that people don't see how million dollar projects can co-exist with thousand dollar ones. I'm not sure it's going to be that much trouble, but then again, I don't care.
 
2013-04-25 10:02:03 AM  
I can understand Kickstarter for games and music... some electronic gadget but a movie.... I just do not get it.  Games and music can be easily distributed.  I give you money and you give me a beta/album some time down the road... if there is a reasonable chance of delivery, sure.  A movie?  I get a poster or some signed crap, maybe a one time veiwing, no way.
 
2013-04-25 10:08:12 AM  
I want to take my daughter to one last concert.

She will be 17 soon, and leaving the nest.

Can Kickstarter help me?
 
2013-04-25 10:14:45 AM  
Kickstarter sucks and people are idiots for contributing.

btw are there any farkers who need money, you know maybe destitute living homeless, maybe short on insurance coverage? I would love to contribute!
 
2013-04-25 10:14:56 AM  

eiger: Kickstarter is great! All of the joys of investing without the annoying possibility of making a profit!


You obviously are not investing in the right Kickstarters. Go check out the games or something else that is willing to give you a product for cheaper then they will sell it, or a product with a exclusive extras. You take those games or other products and sell them on eBay, sometimes for up to three or four times what you paid into the Kickstarter.
 
2013-04-25 10:16:28 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: eiger: Kickstarter is great! All of the joys of investing without the annoying possibility of making a profit!

You obviously are not investing in the right Kickstarters. Go check out the games or something else that is willing to give you a product for cheaper then they will sell it, or a product with a exclusive extras. You take those games or other products and sell them on eBay, sometimes for up to three or four times what you paid into the Kickstarter.


Yeah, I always get a copy of the album or a shirt or something back when I donate.
 
2013-04-25 10:19:27 AM  
I'd like to pay off my $30,000 in student debt.
I'd like to beef up my down payment for a house.

Perhaps I'll beg on Kickstarter or some other like minded site.  I can hand write you a poem on a bar napkin for your support.

Too bad I'm not some hack celebrity who can drum up a fist full of cash in a few days.
 
2013-04-25 10:20:05 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: Remember when Zach Braff left Scrubs because he hated how it was "holding him back." So they ended the show. Then he didn't do shiat. Then they brought back some form of aborted Scrubs. Starring him. Cuz he wanted the money/work. Then it failed. And he didn't do shiat.

Yeah.

Screw him.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you didn't see more than one episode of the last season of scrubs.

/nttiawwt
 
2013-04-25 10:32:22 AM  

eiger: Kickstarter is great! All of the joys of investing without the annoying possibility of making a profit!


A profit?  I give somebody money for a game, I expect a product, not a profit.

You've never even been to the site, have you?
 
2013-04-25 10:32:36 AM  

redmid17: AnotherBluesStringer: Remember when Zach Braff left Scrubs because he hated how it was "holding him back." So they ended the show. Then he didn't do shiat. Then they brought back some form of aborted Scrubs. Starring him. Cuz he wanted the money/work. Then it failed. And he didn't do shiat.

Yeah.

Screw him.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you didn't see more than one episode of the last season of scrubs.

/nttiawwt


I did. It wasn't horrible, per se. I thought when they ended the original run, they did it perfectly. It's actually one of my favorite finales. My problem was that when they brought it back, they really just unraveled a lot of the ends they tied up perfectly. Like how they wrote of characters that wouldn't come back. Or Ted. Stuff like that.
 
2013-04-25 10:33:50 AM  
Meh. At least he's asking. When some billionaire wants a new sports stadium they usually just take the money.
 
2013-04-25 10:34:12 AM  

CPennypacker: I'm farking sick of hearing about kickstarter


And I'm so sick of it hat, instead of ignoring the article and moving on, I'm going to read the thread and comment!  That's how sick I am of hearing about it!
 
2013-04-25 10:35:03 AM  

assjuice: Kickstarter is stupid, and so is anyone who contributes.


Kickstarter was great in the beginning when it was used to fund interesting, micro-budgeted, amateur projects, mostly short films, webseries and comic books that would have never seen the light of day if not for Kickstarter, itself. Now it has become Grand Central for beggars for everything and everything under the sun. It's ridiculous some of the stuff people ask to be crowdfunded or the amount of money being asked.
 
2013-04-25 10:37:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: So he's worth $22 million - does that mean a significant portion of it is in liquid assets, and can easily be put up as an investment without disrupting his financial planning?


Beat me to it. I can come up with a dozen perfectly valid reasons for why ZB would do this, of which I'm sure several apply.
 
2013-04-25 10:38:32 AM  

mekki: assjuice: Kickstarter is stupid, and so is anyone who contributes.

Kickstarter was great in the beginning when it was used to fund interesting, micro-budgeted, amateur projects, mostly short films, webseries and comic books that would have never seen the light of day if not for Kickstarter, itself. Now it has become Grand Central for beggars for everything and everything under the sun. It's ridiculous some of the stuff people ask to be crowdfunded or the amount of money being asked.


God damn general population ruins everything *flips hair*
 
2013-04-25 10:38:56 AM  

RickN99: CPennypacker: I'm farking sick of hearing about kickstarter

And I'm so sick of it hat, instead of ignoring the article and moving on, I'm going to read the thread and comment!  That's how sick I am of hearing about it!


I'm sick of your shiat too. Snark on that.
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2013-04-25 10:41:49 AM  

JinxofSpades: I don't begrudge the guy a dime, but how is Zach Braff worth $22 million?  I guess I would have just expected he was worth less.


BizarreMan: For all he's done he's only worth $22mil?

Huh


I love that these were back-to-back.
 
2013-04-25 10:42:09 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: redmid17: AnotherBluesStringer: Remember when Zach Braff left Scrubs because he hated how it was "holding him back." So they ended the show. Then he didn't do shiat. Then they brought back some form of aborted Scrubs. Starring him. Cuz he wanted the money/work. Then it failed. And he didn't do shiat.

Yeah.

Screw him.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you didn't see more than one episode of the last season of scrubs.

/nttiawwt

I did. It wasn't horrible, per se. I thought when they ended the original run, they did it perfectly. It's actually one of my favorite finales. My problem was that when they brought it back, they really just unraveled a lot of the ends they tied up perfectly. Like how they wrote of characters that wouldn't come back. Or Ted. Stuff like that.


If you watched more than one episode, you'd know he wasn't the star of that season....
 
2013-04-25 10:44:06 AM  
Ok, just read the Kickstarter guidelines.  Apparently I can't ask for money to fund my future housing and student debt.  Instead I will say it's a project to complete bar napkin art.
 
2013-04-25 10:44:25 AM  

Saiga410: I can understand Kickstarter for games and music... some electronic gadget but a movie.... I just do not get it.  Games and music can be easily distributed.  I give you money and you give me a beta/album some time down the road... if there is a reasonable chance of delivery, sure.  A movie?  I get a poster or some signed crap, maybe a one time veiwing, no way.


How is a movie different from a game or music?  You can get an UltraViolet code or a DVD rather easily.
 
2013-04-25 10:44:56 AM  
i686.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-25 10:51:58 AM  

meanmutton: Saiga410: I can understand Kickstarter for games and music... some electronic gadget but a movie.... I just do not get it.  Games and music can be easily distributed.  I give you money and you give me a beta/album some time down the road... if there is a reasonable chance of delivery, sure.  A movie?  I get a poster or some signed crap, maybe a one time veiwing, no way.

How is a movie different from a game or music?  You can get an UltraViolet code or a DVD rather easily.


If that is offered I could see donating.  I did a quick run through this offerind and I did not see that as a kickback... or at least one at a reasonable donation level (stopped at 150).  I am pretty sure the VM movie was the same way.  I do not have that much experience looking at movie kickstarters to know if that is a usual kickback... if it is I walk back some from my earlier statement.
 
2013-04-25 10:53:42 AM  

WhiskeySticks: I'd like to pay off my $30,000 in student debt.
I'd like to beef up my down payment for a house.

Perhaps I'll beg on Kickstarter or some other like minded site.  I can hand write you a poem on a bar napkin for your support.


The point is people are willing to give him money because they liked his previous work, and helping him produce future work that they might also enjoy is a worthwhile reward for them. I see nothing wrong with this. And If you're an unknown nobody with a bad idea and nothing to offer, no one will help you, which is fair too.
 
2013-04-25 10:56:12 AM  

browntimmy: WhiskeySticks: I'd like to pay off my $30,000 in student debt.
I'd like to beef up my down payment for a house.

Perhaps I'll beg on Kickstarter or some other like minded site.  I can hand write you a poem on a bar napkin for your support.

The point is people are willing to give him money because they liked his previous work, and helping him produce future work that they might also enjoy is a worthwhile reward for them. I see nothing wrong with this. And If you're an unknown nobody with a bad idea and nothing to offer, no one will help you, which is fair too.


Everything and everyone must be hated.
 
2013-04-25 10:58:26 AM  

browntimmy: And If you're an unknown nobody with a bad idea and nothing to offer, no one will help you, which is fair too.


But if you're a known body with a bad idea and nothing to offer, you can get $1.2 million in a day.

Yes, Mister Barnum, you had something to add to the discussion?
 
2013-04-25 11:02:41 AM  

browntimmy: And If you're an unknown nobody with a bad idea and nothing to offer, no one will help you, which is fair too.


Obviously you've never seen my prized works of art entitled "dicks drawn on a bar napkin".  It's an ongoing project.  Spot me $15 for a case of beer and I'll give you first dibs.
 
2013-04-25 11:03:45 AM  
Don't fund a restaurant with your own money.
Don't fund a movie with your own money.

There was a third one, but I forget.

/Broadway musical?  Well anyway.
 
2013-04-25 11:04:11 AM  

EyeballKid: browntimmy: And If you're an unknown nobody with a bad idea and nothing to offer, no one will help you, which is fair too.

But if you're a known body with a bad idea and nothing to offer, you can get $1.2 million in a day.

Yes, Mister Barnum, you had something to add to the discussion?


To his fans it's as a good idea with something to offer. No one is being duped. People that aren't fans of his aren't giving him money.
 
2013-04-25 11:13:26 AM  

Broktun: I want to take my daughter to one last concert.

She will be 17 soon, and leaving the nest.

Can Kickstarter help me?


If you want to see a band that's currently touring, just buy tickets for the closest show.

If you want to see a band that nominally still exists but not actively performing or a performer that doesn't tour, contact their management and find out the rate for a private show.

If your daughter's favorite band is eg, The Rolling Stones, well, they're still touring.  But a private show would be hundreds of thousands of dollars.  But for most non-A-List and non-current-hottest-act, you're probably in the range of $5k to $20k.  Add in transportation, a place to perform, etc, you're out of the range most of us can afford for a party for our teenager.  But you're also not in Bill Gates/Warren Buffet territory.

Get a number from the band, add in your incidentals, set up am account on Kickstarter.  Offer an invite to the party at some level of "investment".  Bob's your uncle.

Now getting your 17-yr old daughter to go to a concert with you, that kickstarter cannot help.
 
2013-04-25 11:17:43 AM  
Only one way I'd possibly consider donating

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-25 11:21:04 AM  

seniorgato: Don't fund a restaurant with your own money.
Don't fund a movie with your own money.

There was a third one, but I forget.


Don't fund  anything with your own money. That's business 101. Loans, investors, and now crowd-funding.

WhiskeySticks: Instead I will say it's a project to complete bar napkin art.


You can try, but Kickstarter isn't a machine where you put stupid ideas in and money falls out. We only hear about the Kickstarters that actually hit their funding goals, but most don't.

mekki: it was used to fund interesting, micro-budgeted, amateur projects, mostly short films, webseries and comic books that would have never seen the light of day if not for Kickstarter


Because micro-budgeted, amateur projects don't get funded on Kickstarter anymore? This is just silly. Yes, it's the big projects which get news headlines. But I've gotten stuff through Kickstarter that would never have seen the light of day without it.

Just because Rob Thomas and Zach Braff come to Kickstarter doesn't mean random-person-with-an-idea is somehow cut out of it. The people plowing money into those big projects probably weren't going to be plowing money into those tiny projects  anyway.
 
2013-04-25 11:22:40 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: Remember when Zach Braff left Scrubs because he hated how it was "holding him back." So they ended the show. Then he didn't do shiat. Then they brought back some form of aborted Scrubs. Starring him. Cuz he wanted the money/work. Then wrote/directed/starred in a shiatty-ass movie called "Garden State"?  it failed. And he didn't do shiat.

Yeah.

Screw him.


AmendedTFY.
 
2013-04-25 11:25:02 AM  
Braff hasn't made a movie since 2004′s Garden State

...and we were all thankful for that...
 
2013-04-25 11:50:22 AM  
Garden State wasn't bad, but he's older now.  The whiny emo douche angle isn't going to work this time.  Let's see if he has some range.
 
2013-04-25 11:54:48 AM  

Farce-Side: robohobo: Prank Call of Cthulhu: robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.

People place different values on different things. To me, seeing a 90 minute movie was worth 7500 dollars.

/the wife spends nearly that on clothing every month

If you're interested, I can film 90 min. worth of boring tripe and cliche rom-com/drama lines for half that.  Hell, I'll even make it HD.  Plus my wife will show you her titties.


I'll give you $8 and a candy bar
 
2013-04-25 11:56:49 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Another good idea corrupted. Next up the Kardashians .

 Fark Zach and his BS stories. There greater stories waiting to be told than than his recycle shat. We all read Philip Roth and the seventies are over.  ( Yeah I am sick of the same old archetypes.)

// Reminds me reading how Robert Redford received monies from National Endowment for Arts for his Sundance Festival.

( talk about corporate welfare ..paying multi millionaires .)


You're actually arguing in favor of this. The funding for the project comes from the crowd, so none of your other projects are affected or not made because this is. In fact, if you don't go to it, and you stay out of threads like this one, it wouldn't impact you in any way whatsoever.
 
2013-04-25 12:05:02 PM  
What's with the hate with Garden State? Yeah it had a cliche  Manic Pixie Dream Girl, as well as a cliche last minute character change at the airport climax. But it had a great soundtrack (and I normally hate that indie crap) solid directing, and was a pretty heartfelt film on how sometimes we become so numb to life we forget to live it.
 
2013-04-25 12:16:52 PM  

JinxofSpades: I don't begrudge the guy a dime, but how is Zach Braff worth $22 million?  I guess I would have just expected he was worth less.


Here was the star of a TV show that was on a major network for 8 years.  Even though it wasn't a huge hit they still had to pay him. Plus he was also credited as director/producer for a number of episodes. And considering the show went into syndication being the star along with a director/producer probably pays pretty well.
 
2013-04-25 12:18:25 PM  
AnotherBluesStringer: Remember when Zach Braff left Scrubs because he hated how it was "holding him back." So they ended the show. Then he didn't do shiat. Then they brought back some form of aborted Scrubs. Starring him. Cuz he wanted the money/work. Then it failed. And he didn't do shiat.

I really don't understand what happened to that guys career. I mean he left scrubs before the final season because he wanted to go on to bigger and better things. But the only thing he has really done since scrubs is voice overs on commercials for toilet paper.
 
2013-04-25 12:34:29 PM  
If you actually read the synopsis and his reasons for Kickstarter (total creative control) you'd probably get cancer. Christ, it sounds awful.
 
2013-04-25 12:42:50 PM  
I'd like to start a Kickstarter to prevent this thing from being made.  Come to think of it, that would make a pretty good movie.
 
2013-04-25 12:49:24 PM  
I never get this. Why are rich people required/expected to use their own money when they can save their money and get someone else to pay?

Like when a large number of biking (motorcycle) adventurers got annoyed that Ewan and his bud got sponsors for their "Round the World" trip.  For some reason they should spend all their own money when they can get sponsorships.  Stupid.
 
2013-04-25 12:55:05 PM  

mechgreg: AnotherBluesStringer: Remember when Zach Braff left Scrubs because he hated how it was "holding him back." So they ended the show. Then he didn't do shiat. Then they brought back some form of aborted Scrubs. Starring him. Cuz he wanted the money/work. Then it failed. And he didn't do shiat.

I really don't understand what happened to that guys career. I mean he left scrubs before the final season because he wanted to go on to bigger and better things. But the only thing he has really done since scrubs is voice overs on commercials for toilet paper.


His passion is Indie stuff (he always tries to host indie awards) and iirc he didn't want to leave scrubs but nearly everybody else did. John c, bill Lawrence, turkleton, and braff wanted to continue scrubs.
 
2013-04-25 12:55:59 PM  
Anyone see the last kiss? How does one regret Rachel bilson? Wtf?
 
2013-04-25 01:15:05 PM  

RickN99: eiger: Kickstarter is great! All of the joys of investing without the annoying possibility of making a profit!

A profit?  I give somebody money for a game, I expect a product, not a profit.

You've never even been to the site, have you?


I have and for an indie game or some such product where one gets something at the end, I think it's a great idea, and I would consider giving money.

However, when major corporations and wealthy individuals start getting in on it, it basically becomes a way for them to get seed capital essentially for free and, to me at least, seems an abuse of the idea behind the site.

And does seem like that is the way the site is going.
 
2013-04-25 01:21:50 PM  
I didn't think The High Cost of Living was so bad.

And Garden State's soundtrack was worth sitting through it.
 
2013-04-25 01:34:14 PM  
Hmmm. I saw that Asian Pornstar Jessica Bangkok escorts, and even saw the website for the agency that pimps her. The price $1200/hr. I wonder if I could get funding from Kickstarter. For $5 I will send you a signed thank you note. For $100 I will send you a picture of me in post coital bliss.
 
2013-04-25 01:34:57 PM  

eiger: However, when major corporations and wealthy individuals start getting in on it, it basically becomes a way for them to get seed capital essentially for free and, to me at least, seems an abuse of the idea behind the site.


It's not abuse, it's a misunderstanding of scope.  It's a common mistake.  Well-meaning people will make a lake "open to all access" or something and not realize that that also means nothing's stopping a company from pumping all the water out of it and selling it in bottles, or dumping toxic waste into it.  No system can rely on goodwill to prevent assholes from ruining everything.  This is precisely why schools offering financial aid require access to financial documents because otherwise the money would go to the greedy instead of the needy.  My wife is an auditor and she routinely sees families pulling $200+k salaries not only requesting but demanding financial aid.  Greed doesn't stop just because you have money, and millionaires don't get rich by being charitable.  WTF do you expect?  Rich people are notoriously cheap; it's how they get rich.  It's not illegal and not even necessarily immoral, but expecting rich people to behave themselves is very unrealistic.  A lot do (they're cheap but not necessarily destructive), but it only takes one douchebag and that's the one you've got to worry about.

The real problem, as far as I can tell, is that high-profile projects can drown out and draw funds away from others that can't thrive on name recognition alone, but this is an everyday problem that goes well beyond Kickstarter.  Just ask any independent restaurant what it's like to compete with franchises.  The alternative is for Kickstarter to impose some form of need-based exclusivity, but the administrative costs and disclosure requirements will kill their business model.
 
2013-04-25 02:57:31 PM  

dragonchild: is that high-profile projects can drown out and draw funds away from others that can't thrive on name recognition alone


Is that really true, though? How many of these contributors to high-profile projects would have contributed to a small project but chose not in favor of the high-profile project?
 
2013-04-25 03:15:51 PM  
First: Garden State was an awesome movie.

Second: Braff gets a pass from everything for being J.D.

Third: He can finance his films anyway he wants...clearly.

Fourth: Go fark yourselves you whiny assclowns.
 
2013-04-25 03:51:27 PM  
HEY RICH MAN! LET ME GIVE YOU SOME MONEY FROM MY MINIMUM WAGE PAYCHECK CUZ YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY OF YOUR OWN FORTUNE ON SOMETHING!
 
2013-04-25 03:53:05 PM  

ongbok: Hmmm. Asian Pornstar Jessica Bangkok  For $100 I will send you a picture of me in post coital bliss.


You might want to rethink that. She is known to hang around Mr. Marcus (or whatever the hell his stage name is).  For $1200 you can get less plastic asians and all at the same time.
 
2013-04-25 04:30:19 PM  
Approves.

kendavenport.typepad.com

"NEVER PUT YOUR OWN MONEY IN THE SHOW"
 
2013-04-25 04:39:36 PM  
Yet, if Joss Whedon, who made boatloads of money on Avengers and will get at least $10 million more for the sequel, started a Kickstarter for a Firefly movie, I'm sure a lot of people on this site wouldn't have a problem at all.

All the complaints boil down to "Stop liking what I don't like."
 
2013-04-25 04:42:20 PM  

stoli n coke: Yet, if Joss Whedon, who made boatloads of money on Avengers and will get at least $10 million more for the sequel, started a Kickstarter for a Firefly movie, I'm sure a lot of people on this site wouldn't have a problem at all.

All the complaints boil down to "Stop liking what I don't like."

 
2013-04-25 04:49:32 PM  

eiger: Kickstarter is great! All of the joys of investing without the annoying possibility of making a profit!


I don't want a profit I want some damn bones miniatures!
 
2013-04-25 05:07:08 PM  
This does not strike me as a bad thing.  Could he fund it himself?  Yes.  Or any number of millionaire hollywood investors could quite easily, more likely.  And it would be another Hollywood production, focus tested and marketed, and changed in order to ensure it was exactly bland enough to make back it's costs and profit on DVD.  While I seriously doubt Zach Braff is going to be the one to break the mold, I have no problem with major artists, millionaires, or anyone else taking their idea to Kickstarter.  If it succeeds in getting funding, people wanted it, and (one hopes) the product they were interested in getting made gets made instead of something else.  I see that as nothing but a good thing.
 
2013-04-25 05:34:27 PM  

UNC_Samurai: So he's worth $22 million - does that mean a significant portion of it is in liquid assets, and can easily be put up as an investment without disrupting his financial planning?


Mostly what I'm thinking, but I'm also thinking that a new movie from Mr. Braff doesn't really interest me, especially this one. At least should he ever make this, it will be indy enough that I won't be annoyed by a marketing blitz, so there is that. No reason to get all "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" (maybe I'm reading too much into the headline and article).
 
2013-04-25 05:36:47 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
Yes please!
 
2013-04-25 05:47:18 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Not quite Face/Off bad


>:(
 
2013-04-25 05:50:05 PM  

robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.


No you didn't.
 
2013-04-25 06:33:56 PM  
Geez.... A lot of people hating on Kickstarter. I don't get it... It's just a funding vehicle, not religion competing with your own, for fark's sake.

I contributed to the Steve Jackson Kickstarter to make a new edition of OGRE. And what I really wanted was to make Steve Jackson come out with a new version of Car Wars, which he's pledged to do after OGRE if he hit a funding goal. He totally blew past the goal (biggest Kickstarter response for a board game ever!), so after OGRE is done that will be his next project.

And for my meager contribution I got a "I made Steve Jackson work on Car Wars" shirt. So I'm already happy... Now I have the perfect shirt to show off just how much of a nerd I am, I guess.
 
2013-04-25 06:46:50 PM  

secularsage: Why do so many people have to be so cynical and try to suggest that Kickstarter is being used by rich people to fleece everyone else?


Because it is. Where do you think this campaign would be if non celebrity pitched it? They're not giving the project money because they want to see the finished product, they're giving it because OMG ZACH BRAFF!

And he knows this full well, and is taking advantage of it.
 
2013-04-25 07:11:41 PM  

stoli n coke: Yet, if Joss Whedon, who made boatloads of money on Avengers and will get at least $10 million more for the sequel, started a Kickstarter for a Firefly movie, I'm sure a lot of people on this site wouldn't have a problem at all.


Wow, you know us so much better than us.  So well, in fact, that despite the fact that I disagree completely, you said otherwise so I must be wrong about how I think.
 
2013-04-25 07:13:25 PM  

Kaybeck: secularsage: Why do so many people have to be so cynical and try to suggest that Kickstarter is being used by rich people to fleece everyone else?

Because it is. Where do you think this campaign would be if non celebrity pitched it? They're not giving the project money because they want to see the finished product, they're giving it because OMG ZACH BRAFF!

And he knows this full well, and is taking advantage of it.


That makes no sense. We can assume the people giving money are fans of Zach Braff's previous work, so logically they would want to see more stuff with him in it. No one is going to go, "I hate that guy...but he's a celebrity so here's 10 bucks."
 
2013-04-25 08:28:20 PM  

robohobo: Prank Call of Cthulhu: robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.

People place different values on different things. To me, seeing a 90 minute movie was worth 7500 dollars.

/the wife spends nearly that on clothing every month


enjoy your free month of TotalFark, all that money and you can't throw Drew $50 for the year. Attaboy big spender!!
 
2013-04-25 10:24:46 PM  
I'm okay with this. It's what Kickstarter is intended for. He raises money, and produces the finished product. Generally, you get he product because you already spent the money for it.

Compared to the coont who used her kid's face to fund a camping trip, and who was butt buddies with Warren Buffett, I have trouble working up to apathy on this one.
 
2013-04-26 12:19:06 AM  
It's kinda thick in here. Like Braff or not, he's doing the same thing the "Veronica Mars" project did - using Kickstarter to demonstrate the existence of an audience for the project, which can then be used to persuade a studio to provide additional funding.

Braff putting in $2m of his own money wouldn't accomplish that.
 
2013-04-26 12:52:52 AM  

stoli n coke: Yet, if Joss Whedon, who made boatloads of money on Avengers and will get at least $10 million more for the sequel, started a Kickstarter for a Firefly movie, I'm sure a lot of people on this site wouldn't have a problem at all.

All the complaints boil down to "Stop liking what I don't like."


Firefly was completely overrated
 
2013-04-26 02:52:24 AM  

redmid17: stoli n coke: Yet, if Joss Whedon, who made boatloads of money on Avengers and will get at least $10 million more for the sequel, started a Kickstarter for a Firefly movie, I'm sure a lot of people on this site wouldn't have a problem at all.

All the complaints boil down to "Stop liking what I don't like."

Firefly was completely overrated



It was a decent enough show, and the Serenity movie was pretty good. It's just been too long now, and any attempts to revive it either as a show or movie will be underwhelming and be attacked mercilessly by the same people who complained endlessly to bring it back (see Family Guy as an example.)

Sometimes, it's better to just remember how good something was rather than try to keep it going until it becomes unwatchable.
 
2013-04-26 03:26:35 AM  
Thanks WingNutWillie! And yes, I shall be continuing this membership.
 
2013-04-26 08:15:05 AM  

robohobo: Thanks WingNutWillie! And yes, I shall be continuing this membership.


Because Drew Curtis needs it?
 
2013-04-26 09:27:16 AM  

robohobo: Prank Call of Cthulhu: robohobo: Meh. I gave several thousand dollars to the Veronica Mars project.

I hope the reward for that level was a bj from whatshername--the cross-eyed chick that stars in it.

People place different values on different things. To me, seeing a 90 minute movie was worth 7500 dollars.

/the wife spends nearly that on clothing every month


I have stuff to sell you. Wonderful stuff.
 
2013-04-26 04:14:02 PM  

RickN99: CarnySaur: I'd pay *not* to see another Zach Braff movie.

Cool.  Send me ten bucks and when you see a theater showing the movie, don't go in.

Send me another ten bucks and you can also not buy the DVD.  I toss "don't buy the Bluray" for free.


No, Zach.  No.
 
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