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(BBC-US)   Imagine the world warmer, by around 2-3 degrees C. CO2 levels are rising above present levels. A vision of our future climate? Perhaps, but this is Earth in a period of our planet's history known as the Pliocene   (bbc.com ) divider line
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2013-04-25 01:02:02 AM  
"Pliocene? Yeah, I remember. Good times."
palaeos.com
 
2013-04-25 11:37:28 AM  
Sabretooth tigers would be pretty goddamn cool. Scary as shiat, but really cool to see through bulletproof glass.
 
2013-04-25 11:46:44 AM  
wait wait wait
are they trying to say that we are causing global warming back in the pliocene??
PANIC!
 
2013-04-25 12:00:17 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Sabretooth tigers would be pretty goddamn cool. Scary as shiat, but really cool to see through bulletproof glass.


What kind of guns did sabre-tooth tigers carry?
 
2013-04-25 12:02:58 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Lando Lincoln: Sabretooth tigers would be pretty goddamn cool. Scary as shiat, but really cool to see through bulletproof glass.

What kind of guns did sabre-tooth tigers carry?


semantics, does anyone make tooth proof glass?
 
2013-04-25 12:08:14 PM  
Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.
 
2013-04-25 12:11:16 PM  
www.dan-dare.org
Pliocene polluters caused this...
 
2013-04-25 12:13:18 PM  
So this is essentially an article stating to the effect of "we're starting to gather the necessary data to build a more representative model, so we don't have any results to report yet"?
 
2013-04-25 12:16:26 PM  
Yeah, and giant farking asteroids have naturally crashed into Earth in the past, so why does everybody scream about risks when we talk about bringing asteroids into Earth orbit to harvest their metals? If we drop a ten-mile-diameter hunk of metal into the Atlantic, well, hey, we're just doing something that could happen in nature anyhow right?
 
2013-04-25 12:18:11 PM  
Yeah, the Earth and life on it will survive global warming.

Worst case is that most humans are killed off so that the CO2 they spew no longer accelerates global warming.
 
2013-04-25 12:21:24 PM  

jfarkinB: Yeah, and giant farking asteroids have naturally crashed into Earth in the past, so why does everybody scream about risks when we talk about bringing asteroids into Earth orbit to harvest their metals? If we drop a ten-mile-diameter hunk of metal into the Atlantic, well, hey, we're just doing something that could happen in nature anyhow right?


Not for nothing, but, wtf?
 
2013-04-25 12:22:19 PM  
I hereby declare this new normal the "NeoPliocene".  I'll be by to collect my Nobel in a little while.
 
2013-04-25 12:22:37 PM  

Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.


Felice was a nightmare, if only I could have subsumed her.

/if only...
 
2013-04-25 12:23:59 PM  
In before the Usual Suspects, but note that a warmed world will not be a dead world. However, a warmed world will not have the agricultural areas and weather patterns that our present industrial economy depends on, so it would probably not be wise to fark them up. Sure, the planet will survive, and humans will survive, too, but maybe not in the present numbers. While I'm all for dropping the population a few tads, let's do it in a slow and deliberate manner rather than headlong famine and warfare, mmmkay?
 
2013-04-25 12:24:39 PM  

jfarkinB: Yeah, and giant farking asteroids have naturally crashed into Earth in the past, so why does everybody scream about risks when we talk about bringing asteroids into Earth orbit to harvest their metals? If we drop a ten-mile-diameter hunk of metal into the Atlantic, well, hey, we're just doing something that could happen in nature anyhow right?


What the sam hill are you blathering on about?
 
2013-04-25 12:28:37 PM  

jfarkinB: Yeah, and giant farking asteroids have naturally crashed into Earth in the past, so why does everybody scream about risks when we talk about bringing asteroids into Earth orbit to harvest their metals? If we drop a ten-mile-diameter hunk of metal into the Atlantic, well, hey, we're just doing something that could happen in nature anyhow right?


Well, if we were to do that intentionally, it would be divided into smaller chunks, probably each piece heated by solar mirrors first so bubbles would form in the interior, and we'd float the ironbergs to a dock to supply more metal in a year than we've mined in the last twenty. Also they'd come in at about 1G of acceleration (basically just decelerating them out of orbit) and make a bit of a splash but nothing approaching even a small tsunami. So apparently we can improve on nature just a wee bit.
 
2013-04-25 12:30:33 PM  
"You're doing it right now. You did it before and you'll do it yet again."
 
2013-04-25 12:32:11 PM  

neversubmit: Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.

Felice was a nightmare, if only I could have subsumed her.

/if only...


Ok, there's don't stick your dick in crazy, and then there's don't let any part of you or your head near the crazy girl powerful enough to blow open the Straits of Gibraltar.

/Anyway, the Great Carbuncle got her first.
 
2013-04-25 12:39:05 PM  
i.imgur.com

"Pliocene Park is not a bad Plan B...err..C."
 
2013-04-25 12:50:15 PM  
Well, on the bright side, those mammoths scientist are trying to clone will adapt just nicely.
 
2013-04-25 01:03:34 PM  
Pheh. Nice try, Trollmitter. Everyone knows there is no historical precedent for the current state of the climate. We have stats going way back.
 
2013-04-25 01:09:39 PM  
Wikipedia also mentions that on top of that 2-3 degrees celsuis (wtf is celsius) the sea levels were also 25 metres higher.  Unfortunately I don't know how many metres to a foot and I can't seem to find any conversion tables in the bible, so I assume it would be of negligible consequence today.
 
2013-04-25 01:10:50 PM  

Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.


THIS
plus dont be blaming the Firvulag for all this. Marc was responsible for quite a bit on his own.

/bare brain D-jumps for the win
 
2013-04-25 01:13:04 PM  

theorellior: However, a warmed world will not have the agricultural areas and weather patterns that our present industrial economy depends on


It is really too bad that there would be no way for us to change any of our current agriculture to fit those changing patterns.
SHUCKS
well, too warm to grow wheat here, guess we are all going to die!@
 
2013-04-25 01:13:37 PM  
Maybe my wife will finally stop biatching about how cold she is all the time?
 
2013-04-25 01:14:01 PM  

chocolate covered poop: Wikipedia also mentions that on top of that 2-3 degrees celsuis (wtf is celsius) the sea levels were also 25 metres higher.  Unfortunately I don't know how many metres to a foot and I can't seem to find any conversion tables in the bible, so I assume it would be of negligible consequence today.


Just consider a meter a yard and skip the change. I'm only 8 meters above current sea level, so I'm screwed in a few hundred years.
 
2013-04-25 01:14:01 PM  

chocolate covered poop: Wikipedia also mentions that on top of that 2-3 degrees celsuis (wtf is celsius) the sea levels were also 25 metres higher.  Unfortunately I don't know how many metres to a foot and I can't seem to find any conversion tables in the bible, so I assume it would be of negligible consequence today.


Unpossible. There were no gas guzzlers then. Hairspray ozone holes either. Unpossible. This is a lie.
 
2013-04-25 01:14:13 PM  

Boojum2k: neversubmit: Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.

Felice was a nightmare, if only I could have subsumed her.

/if only...

Ok, there's don't stick your dick in crazy, and then there's don't let any part of you or your head near the crazy girl powerful enough to blow open the Straits of Gibraltar.

/Anyway, the Great Carbuncle got her first.


How many millions of years must you atone for the murder of billions?
 
2013-04-25 01:14:50 PM  

Pincy: Maybe my wife will finally stop biatching about how cold she is all the time?


Fat chance. She will just switch to biatching about how hot and humid it is.
 
2013-04-25 01:15:49 PM  

Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.


Came for this, leaving happy.

/you know the Great Intervention happens later this year, right?  Who's gonna meet me at the summit of Mount Washington?
 
2013-04-25 01:16:37 PM  
Nothing to worry about folks. All of the biggest cities in the world were underwater during the Pliocene and they turned out fine. Why are they worried now?
 
2013-04-25 01:18:39 PM  

FrancoFile: Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.

Came for this, leaving happy.

/you know the Great Intervention happens later this year, right?  Who's gonna meet me at the summit of Mount Washington?


we could be so lucky
might be time to reread the final 3 books
 
2013-04-25 01:18:42 PM  
While I have no doubt that climate change is occurring, I remain skeptical of various studies on the subject.

i33.tinypic.com

i33.tinypic.com

i37.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-25 01:21:27 PM  

namatad: It is really too bad that there would be no way for us to change any of our current agriculture to fit those changing patterns.


No doubt, but it would sure suck if the grain belt moved north to Canada and the High Plains became desert, wouldn't it? Or if seal levels rose and flooded the Central Valley? Or if the rice-growing areas of the Gulf Coast went underwater?

Sure we could fix it. But at what cost, and wouldn't it be better if we didn't have to?
 
2013-04-25 01:22:17 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: While I have no doubt that climate change is occurring, I remain skeptical of various studies on the subject.


You have GOT be be kidding me.
 
2013-04-25 01:27:05 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: While I have no doubt that climate change is occurring, I remain skeptical of various studies on the subject.


Ah yes, that most prestigious of all scientific journals, time magazine.
 
2013-04-25 01:31:05 PM  

theorellior: namatad: It is really too bad that there would be no way for us to change any of our current agriculture to fit those changing patterns.

No doubt, but it would sure suck if the grain belt moved north to Canada and the High Plains became desert, wouldn't it? Or if seal levels rose and flooded the Central Valley? Or if the rice-growing areas of the Gulf Coast went underwater?

Sure we could fix it. But at what cost, and wouldn't it be better if we didn't have to?


You can write off the Gulf, especially Louisiana. Even without climate change, the Mississippi will be a river enclosed by levees and surrounded by the Gulf.
 
2013-04-25 01:32:06 PM  

jfarkinB: Yeah, and giant farking asteroids have naturally crashed into Earth in the past, so why does everybody scream about risks when we talk about bringing asteroids into Earth orbit to harvest their metals? If we drop a ten-mile-diameter hunk of metal into the Atlantic, well, hey, we're just doing something that could happen in nature anyhow right?


Son, you got a panty on your head
 
2013-04-25 01:33:03 PM  

namatad: Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.

THIS
plus dont be blaming the Firvulag for all this. Marc was responsible for quite a bit on his own.

/bare brain D-jumps for the win


I have only read the Jack the bodiless trilogy. Is the this series a good read?
 
2013-04-25 01:36:13 PM  

McGrits: namatad: Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.

THIS
plus dont be blaming the Firvulag for all this. Marc was responsible for quite a bit on his own.

/bare brain D-jumps for the win

I have only read the Jack the bodiless trilogy. Is the this series a good read?


I recommend that you read them in the order they were published
The Pliocene Exile (4 books)
The Intervention (2 books)
Then the Jack the Bodiless books

Just kick-ass fantastic stuff.
 
2013-04-25 01:37:03 PM  

Ned Stark: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: While I have no doubt that climate change is occurring, I remain skeptical of various studies on the subject.

Ah yes, that most prestigious of all scientific journals, time magazine.


Well, they did quote the NOAA and GARP. Those guys are full of shiat too I suppose. Add in Columbia University, the Royal Meteorological Society etc and it sounds like credible people making scientifically justified claims. Sure sounds like today actually.
 
2013-04-25 01:37:13 PM  

theorellior: namatad: It is really too bad that there would be no way for us to change any of our current agriculture to fit those changing patterns.

No doubt, but it would sure suck if the grain belt moved north to Canada and the High Plains became desert, wouldn't it? Or if seal levels rose and flooded the Central Valley? Or if the rice-growing areas of the Gulf Coast went underwater?

Sure we could fix it. But at what cost, and wouldn't it be better if we didn't have to?


If seal levels rise too much we'll simply make it socially acceptable to wear fur again. That way the central valley will have a new export product to give their economy a boost.
 
2013-04-25 01:37:15 PM  

theorellior: namatad: It is really too bad that there would be no way for us to change any of our current agriculture to fit those changing patterns.

No doubt, but it would sure suck if the grain belt moved north to Canada and the High Plains became desert, wouldn't it? Or if seal levels rose and flooded the Central Valley? Or if the rice-growing areas of the Gulf Coast went underwater?

Sure we could fix it. But at what cost, and wouldn't it be better if we didn't have to?


TADA
you ask exactly the right question.
what cost

which will cost more:
destroying the current world economy by reducing all CO2 emissions massively (because the tiny cuts havent even come close to reducing the acceleration of emissions)
or fixing the problems when they happen

my guess is that in the end, we will find out the answer, the same way we ALWAYS have, by paying for what happens, when it happens.
history is full of end of the world stories.
running out of wood -> coal
running out of coal and whale oil - > crude oil
running out of crude oil -> oil sands and shales
running out of gas -> natural gas
air is literally killing people -> clean air acts
ditto water
dittopollution

I am old enough that I have watched this "game" played out over and over and over.
Short term, poor and children suffer; long term, things get fixed and we are better off.

meh
/I am DONE with worrying about long term "problems"
 
2013-04-25 01:37:35 PM  
Abe Vigoda's Ghost:

While I have no doubt that climate change is occurring, I remain skeptical of various studies on the subject.

Ahh... Time Magazine. Remember when that respected science journal told us that experts (one, who didn't even put his name on the study) told us we were in the middle of a wave of satanic ritual abuse and human sacrifice?

i33.tinypic.com

If that's your source for scientific information, you've already lost the argument.
 
2013-04-25 01:40:58 PM  

FrancoFile: McGrits: namatad: Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.

THIS
plus dont be blaming the Firvulag for all this. Marc was responsible for quite a bit on his own.

/bare brain D-jumps for the win

I have only read the Jack the bodiless trilogy. Is the this series a good read?

I recommend that you read them in the order they were published
The Pliocene Exile (4 books)
The Intervention (2 books)
Then the Jack the Bodiless books

Just kick-ass fantastic stuff.


yes
the middle two books in the pliocene are so-so. the first and last are critical to even understanding the final trilogy.
The fact that the books make one 7 book cycle is entertaining.

/but really the middle 2 books are so-so. Dont let that stop you from getting to  The Adversary!!
 
2013-04-25 01:41:43 PM  

Boojum2k: Obviously the Tanu and the Firvulag were responsible, along with Felice.


dang.  I have not heard that reference in a LOOOONG time.

\\ Abaddon . . .
\ pretty much a Stein guy, myself.
 
2013-04-25 01:43:00 PM  
As Sam Kinison once said about people starving in Africa "MOVE WHERE THE farkING FOOD IS!"

Now do that with a few billion people dependent on glacial meltwater and farms that took centuries to establish. Easier said than done.
 
2013-04-25 01:48:18 PM  

studs up: Ned Stark: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: While I have no doubt that climate change is occurring, I remain skeptical of various studies on the subject.

Ah yes, that most prestigious of all scientific journals, time magazine.

Well, they did quote the NOAA and GARP. Those guys are full of shiat too I suppose. Add in Columbia University, the Royal Meteorological Society etc and it sounds like credible people making scientifically justified claims. Sure sounds like today actually.


At the height of the global cooling thing, there were still more than twice as many peer reviewed papers predicting that CO2 release would eventually outweigh global dimming and/or natural cycles and the cooling trend that was happening at the time would reverse and the world wold warm.

Lo and behold, it did and the large majority has turned into an overwhelming consensus.
 
2013-04-25 01:50:59 PM  

namatad: which will cost more:
destroying the current world economy by reducing all CO2 emissions massively (because the tiny cuts havent even come close to reducing the acceleration of emissions)
or fixing the problems when they happen


Piecemeal solutions always cost more. And reducing CO2 will not destroy the world economy. It will just move us off dinojuice, which we should have done years ago to begin with.

But, as usual, nothing's gonna happen until the cost of continuing the status quo becomes more than the cost of half-assed kludges. And we will lurch toward a new equilibrium, with some unfortunate floods, droughts and homeless populations during the shift.
 
2013-04-25 01:52:05 PM  

studs up: Well, they did quote the NOAA and GARP. Those guys are full of shiat too I suppose. Add in Columbia University, the Royal Meteorological Society etc and it sounds like credible people making scientifically justified claims. Sure sounds like today actually.


What's it like having other people tie your shoes for you as an adult?
 
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