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(ABC Local)   Police give volunteers drink after drink 'til they're wasted, all in the name of having more realistic training on dealing with drunks. Best. Police. Evar   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 42
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2013-04-24 09:24:32 PM  
um, was there a control group of volunteers?
 
2013-04-24 09:25:34 PM  
We do this all the time in our county for the Sheriff Department. In fact, if they haven't been through the class, they're not allowed by policy to do field sobriety checks. We have cars with the radio callsign of Whiskey who's only job is to execute field stops and sobriety checks.

It's prety fun. They typically recruit people who are reserves, or Criminal Justice students from the community college to act as examples. It's a great way to teach what to look for, how to properly handle and diffuse situations, and how to differentiate intoxication from other things - like Insulin Shock/Hypoglycemia and seizures.
 
2013-04-24 09:27:13 PM  
Uh, this has been going on for a long, long time at probably every police academy in the country. Just ask Hooks or Hightower
 
2013-04-24 09:29:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: We do this all the time in our county for the Sheriff Department. In fact, if they haven't been through the class, they're not allowed by policy to do field sobriety checks. We have cars with the radio callsign of Whiskey who's only job is to execute field stops and sobriety checks.

It's prety fun. They typically recruit people who are reserves, or Criminal Justice students from the community college to act as examples. It's a great way to teach what to look for, how to properly handle and diffuse situations, and how to differentiate intoxication from other things - like Insulin Shock/Hypoglycemia and seizures.


that badge makes you look stoopid
 
2013-04-24 09:29:16 PM  
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-24 09:40:29 PM  
That used to be kind of a thing.  A radio or TV personality would drink while a cop with a breathalyzer tested his BAL to demonstrate how much it took to get drunk.
 
2013-04-24 09:47:12 PM  

Richard Freckle: that badge makes you look stoopid


I don't have a badge, but thanks for playing.

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Not really. They have to have a DD on site to take them home, or the instructors won't serve them the drinks.

vpb: That used to be kind of a thing.  A radio or TV personality would drink while a cop with a breathalyzer tested his BAL to demonstrate how much it took to get drunk.


I graduated HS in 2004, and remember watching in Junior Year Driver's Ed the video where they would show how much you would have to drink and what effects it would have.
 
2013-04-24 09:48:23 PM  
A chance to get drunk and punch a cop?? All paid for by the cops?!

How much do I have to pay!!?
 
2013-04-24 10:18:46 PM  
You know, they probably need to practice dealing with hostile drunks, not people who are happy because you just gave them a few free drinks.
 
2013-04-24 10:19:09 PM  
 
2013-04-24 10:39:12 PM  
yafh.com
 
2013-04-24 11:40:07 PM  
Is there a circuit for this? Can I go full-time Pro?
 
2013-04-25 12:50:49 AM  

hardinparamedic: We have cars with the radio callsign of Whiskey


I thought most PDs used "William" as the W-phonetic designation...but that's still pretty awesome.
 
2013-04-25 12:51:42 AM  

I_C_Weener: yafh.com


That is one of my favorite WKRP episodes of all time. Especially after he returns from the bathroom.

/The very favorite is, of course...NOT the Turkey episode, but "PHONE COPS!" [dives behind couch]
 
2013-04-25 01:01:56 AM  

bingethinker: You know, they probably need to practice dealing with hostile drunks, not people who are happy because you just gave them a few free drinks.


I was thinking something like this. They can pay and inebriate as many reserves, or Criminal Justice students from the community college as they want. But to get the real experience they should work with regular people, like me.
 
2013-04-25 02:18:56 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Uh, this has been going on for a long, long time at probably every police academy in the country. Just ask Hooks or Hightower


Drinking labs as part of DUI training started in the mid-80's when the NHTSA standardized the testing process.
 
2013-04-25 02:37:15 AM  

Philbb: bingethinker: You know, they probably need to practice dealing with hostile drunks, not people who are happy because you just gave them a few free drinks.

I was thinking something like this. They can pay and inebriate as many reserves, or Criminal Justice students from the community college as they want. But to get the real experience they should work with regular people, like me.


You just want free booze.

I'M ON TO YOU!

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Of course, it could also be that being roughed up while drunk is your fetish, too. NTTIAWWT.
 
2013-04-25 02:56:04 AM  

hardinparamedic: Philbb: bingethinker: You know, they probably need to practice dealing with hostile drunks, not people who are happy because you just gave them a few free drinks.

I was thinking something like this. They can pay and inebriate as many reserves, or Criminal Justice students from the community college as they want. But to get the real experience they should work with regular people, like me.

You just want free booze.

I'M ON TO YOU!



Of course, it could also be that being roughed up while drunk is your fetish, too. NTTIAWWT.


I remember rough drunken sex. Was fun. Woke up sore as hell the next day but still always fun to drinker wrestle. *sigh* you kids have all the fun these days.
 
2013-04-25 03:01:45 AM  
That's how cops drink themselves, if you've ever drank with some groups of them.
 
2013-04-25 03:09:37 AM  
'"Oh my God, I'm so drunk. It's not funny," a female volunteer said.'

I've seen this movie...
 
2013-04-25 03:10:47 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Uh, this has been going on for a long, long time at probably every police academy in the country. Just ask Hooks or Hightower


LOL

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2013-04-25 03:13:38 AM  
Not news.  "Wet Labs" are used in most police academy settings I've heard of.

A group of volunteers are dosed to specific levels, some not at all, and then put through field sobriety testing to give students a practical lesson in how the things they learned in the classroom translate into real life.

If done properly, they're an excellent tool.
 
2013-04-25 03:32:17 AM  
Do they get to practice their taserin' too?
 
HBK
2013-04-25 04:19:38 AM  
Yep. I dated a prosecutor who invited me to do this in a large city in Texas. I declined, because where's the fun in getting drunk at a police academy?

She did it though, and based on what she said ".08 actually feels a lot drunker than you'd think."
 
2013-04-25 04:27:05 AM  

HBK: Yep. I dated a prosecutor who invited me to do this in a large city in Texas. I declined, because where's the fun in getting drunk at a police academy?

She did it though, and based on what she said ".08 actually feels a lot drunker than you'd think."


.08 is going to feel a lot different to everyone.  A career drinker may live his life at a .08, or even higher.  A non-drinker, who goes out and drinks for their first time, will likely feel fall down drunk at .08, or less.
 
2013-04-25 04:50:27 AM  
The local news (Seattle) got people stoned and made them drive a cone course. They got them very, very high until they couldn't drive anymore. This was a broadcast segment maybe two months ago, mind you, supposedly to show us that you can smoke lots of weed on camera now weed driving is drugged driving...
 
2013-04-25 05:17:32 AM  

dramboxf: hardinparamedic: We have cars with the radio callsign of Whiskey

I thought most PDs used "William" as the W-phonetic designation...but that's still pretty awesome.


Well whiskey would make more sense for a DUI car. Its Punny.
 
2013-04-25 05:24:01 AM  
This stinks...they get 4 people drunk so that they can standardize field sobriety tests so that they can look for signs of drunkenness that they can use as probable cause.  Four people hardly seems like a standard.
 
2013-04-25 05:40:27 AM  
"Volunteers"???   According to TFA "Three Suffolk County workers and one spouse" were the volunteers...
Does not sound like a good control study to me.   I can see it now.. let's pay our lazy county workers to drink a couple of beers then "test" them.
I think the whole DUI patrol is out of control anyway.  Go to Europe or any other country, and cabs are cheap or there are cheap buses and shuttles that run very late. In most US cities,most buses don't run late; or cabs are outrageous. Let's take all the money for advertisement and enforcement of DUI, and instead put it in to subsidized transportation.  Then, and only then, if you still choose to DUI, you get busted.
We are currently a society that likes to drink (two will put you over the limit), but there is no feasible alternative for most folks after they've had their second glass of wine at dinner.
I'm not supporting people getting farked up and out of control killing people, but most folks busted are just fine to drive home and don't cause accidents.  They just forgot a turn signal, and get the lights in the rear view mirror.
Hell, in my parent's day they used to just sleep it off in their car.  Now, that's still considered a DUI.. FARKED!

/never been arrested
//wouldn't want to see it happen to anyone who had a couple drinks
//yes I'm ranting cause we have problems with no good solution
 
2013-04-25 07:40:23 AM  

I_C_Weener: [yafh.com image 400x300]


Came for the Johnny Fever drinking episode.  Left happy.
 
2013-04-25 07:50:21 AM  
That's standard police academy training. Nothing special.
 
2013-04-25 08:04:07 AM  

Sid_6.7: Is there a circuit for this? Can I go full-time Pro?


One of my old RPG buddies had a day job where he would be the 'agressor' in police training simulations.

I imagine he was damn good at it, since he was a pretty good improv actor.
 
2013-04-25 08:50:20 AM  

TinyFist: um, was there a control group of volunteers?


It wasn't an experiment, just practice in recognizing levels of drunkenness. zero is kind of irrelevant - we all know how people act when sober, at least we all do well enough for the purposes of this.
 
2013-04-25 09:59:00 AM  

Summoner101: Do they get to practice their taserin' too?


Don't practice on me, bro!
 
2013-04-25 10:06:34 AM  

hardinparamedic: Richard Freckle: that badge makes you look stoopid

I don't have a badge, but thanks for playing.



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Not really. They have to have a DD on site to take them home, or the instructors won't serve them the drinks.

vpb: That used to be kind of a thing.  A radio or TV personality would drink while a cop with a breathalyzer tested his BAL to demonstrate how much it took to get drunk.

I graduated HS in 2004, and remember watching in Junior Year Driver's Ed the video where they would show how much you would have to drink and what effects it would have.


Maybe-- and I'm really going out on a limb here-- you're not a cop but a paramedic.
 
2013-04-25 12:21:57 PM  
I did a this a couple of times about a decade ago.. Went in a group of 6 + designated driver. They splash a little booze on the DD and then run everyone through the field tests. Trainees have to pick out the sober one, then determine over/under on the rest. They tried to get a range of .05 to 1.1.  I was over both times but passed the tests except for the nystagmus. Can't beat that one.

What's even better than the free booze is the fact that after you have done this, you'll never sit on a DUI jury. Defense won't want anyone who know exactly how drunk you have to be to blow a .08.

I've been excused 3 times. They always ask if you've had any experience with the intoxylizer 5000(?) during voir dire.
 
2013-04-25 02:37:05 PM  

Summoner101: Do they get to practice their taserin' too?


Fun fact: To be able to carry a taser in the United States, they have to be dry-tased by one first.

wallywam1: Maybe-- and I'm really going out on a limb here-- you're not a cop but a paramedic


Noncommissioned Volunteer Officer, actually. I wear this forest-green uniform and put bandaids on people who think it's a good idea to slug a cop and cut people out of wrecked cars. No arrest powers, no gun carrying. I like it that way. :)

Speaking of, I also get to stand by and watch them get shocked and maced during training.
 
2013-04-25 02:41:44 PM  

hardinparamedic: I wear this forest-green uniform and put bandaids on people who think it's a good idea to slug a cop and cut people out of wrecked cars.


F'real?  The sets (people who think it's a good idea to slug a cop) and (people who think it's a good idea to cut people out of wrecked cars) can't overlap all  that much... unless, I suppose, alcohol is involved.
 
2013-04-25 03:20:45 PM  

dbirchall: unless, I suppose, alcohol is involved


Oh, it quite often is. :)
 
2013-04-25 04:21:16 PM  

Blackneto: WKRP did it!  http://www.hulu.com/watch/290


I got to do something like that years ago when I worked in radio. It was about this time of year and it was to "educate" kids going to prom not to drink and drive. I got tore up I need to find the audio and upload it. They gave me a $300 dollar alcohol budget and I used it all. Didnt drink it all but I bought a crapton of booze.
 
2013-04-26 12:16:45 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Sid_6.7: Is there a circuit for this? Can I go full-time Pro?

One of my old RPG buddies had a day job where he would be the 'agressor' in police training simulations.

I imagine he was damn good at it, since he was a pretty good improv actor.


That would be awesome. I'll be IC and everything.

Probably pays sh*t, though.
 
2013-04-26 02:22:05 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fun fact: To be able to carry a taser in the United States, they have to be dry-tased by one first.


I carry a Taser every day but never been Tasered myself. When I was first trained many years ago they asked for volunteers. Yeah, right.
 
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