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2013-04-25 01:57:41 AM

J. Frank Parnell: When i see someone resort to namecalling and mockery it doesn't make me think they're very intelligent, or are capable of being objectively rational.


when I see someone ignore all evidence that is contrary to their pet theory or justify it with the tired line of "I'm just asking questions" it doesn't make me think they're very intelligent, or are capable of being objectively rational. especially when they do it over and over and over again. Calling Alex Jones an idiot doesn't make his statements in anyway true or give it more validity. and there is more evidence to him being an idiot than thee is to any of his theories.

Not all arguments have merit.
 
2013-04-25 01:57:55 AM

log_jammin: bootmoop: Its kind of like people who suggest they know more than their doctor who spent decades of her life learning medicine. "Yeah, I hear ya doc, but have you seen this WebMD thread?"

when ever I hear "well what do they know" I'm almost always guaranteed to cringe.


My father pulls that shiat all the time, and it is sickening. He is like 300lbs and stroking out but insists his new age diet is better than farking heart medication. It's a pity. I think everyone is prone to some delusion or another. It's all about keeping your brains tendency to like irrational things inside the realm of fantasy novels, entertainment and video games not in the real world, your work or social views.
 
2013-04-25 01:59:08 AM

bootmoop: I think everyone is prone to some delusion or another.


of that I have no doubt. myself included.
 
2013-04-25 02:00:45 AM

Gyrfalcon: bootmoop: log_jammin: bootmoop: There are several radar accounts and visual citings of UFO's for instance but there is never going to be any legitimate inquiry using a scientific approach

I understand what you're saying, but there absolutely is legitimate inquiry into those events. It's just that there is no evidence to conclude that anything "alien" caused them.

I'm still unsure that if someone wrote their doctoral thesis considering it and found it to be negative conclusion that they still wouldn't be laughed out of their defense for even wanting to look.

No...it's that a doctoral thesis considering the existence of UFOs as genuinely alien which comes up negative is likely to be entitled "An Inquiry into radar anomalies over the past five decades and possible causes, including extraterrestrial sources"--which is an entirely legitimate thesis and could have entirely legitimate results. However, such a thesis wouldn't be proceeding from the belief that UFOs are space aliens, it would be proceeding from the question "What caused these unusual radar anomalies?" and go from there. This means that ultimately the result would be either Not Alien or at best Undetermined...which is what those anomalies have always been over the decades.

A thesis which was titled "Unmasking the government coverups behind radar anomalies which are really space aliens" would probably be laughed at; not because of its subject necessarily (although it might be) but because it's proceeding from the conclusion: That there are space aliens and the radar signatures are proof of them, which the government is covering up. If that's what you're looking for, that's what you'll find; but it won't be a scientific study. Scientists won't like it, but the public will eat it up with a spoon.


I agree 100% with you except that in the former case I am still pretty sure you would be looked at as something of a fringe researcher at best.
 
2013-04-25 02:04:09 AM

bootmoop: UsikFark:Have you seen what Ben Stein is up to?

Anything other than denouncing evolution and periodically making an ass out of himself?


He used to be a legit guy, and probably still is in his area of expertise... for example, the monologues he gives in Ferris Bueller's Day Off are spot-on economics, history, and government without political spin. Technically, tariffs and the Laffer curve are political, but he could have really gone off on them. He was a professor, but not one of Natural History...
 
2013-04-25 02:13:51 AM

hardinparamedic: Wow, Amos. I'm in awe of the speed in which you filled this thread with shiat.

Perhaps the only redeeming factor you have is that I know you don't believe half the stuff you type, since you contradict yourself from thread to thread just to troll.

But, just for kicks.

Amos Quito: Do YOU believe that Saddam was involved in 9-11?

That he had WMD's?

That he could "Strike Israel in 40 minutes, hardinparamedic?


Do you believe everything that BushCo told us as we went to war with Iraq?

Because if not, you're a reptilian believing "Conspiracy Theorist" - armed with band-aids.

Demonstrable Fact: The intelligence that supported the Invasion of Iraq, and the nationalistic use of the media to beat the drums of war were flawed, and that at best, Bush was mislead by senior advisors, and at worse blatently lied about the Casus Beli.

Blatant Derp with no proof or evidence: The Government did 9/11 because of the above.

One of these things is not like the other, Amos. Try harder.

Amos Quito: Anyone who doesn't blindly believe that the Reichstag Fire  was caused by Communist Jews deserves to be gassed!

Just because Hitler blew up the Reichstag does not mean that the Government used "microthermite" to blow up the Twin Towers, or that JFK was shot by Gray Aliens.

That's the point you seem to miss. Somehow, despite the astounding and overwhelming incompetence and failure to keep even the most minute conspiracy secret due to, at the very least, the human factor involved with keeping a large conspiracy covered up, things like the JFK assassination, the 9/11 Attacks, and FEMA Concentration Camps are able to be kept completely secret and off the books save for the few "clever" enough to see the hidden truth in our world.


THIS was a good comment.
 
2013-04-25 02:19:00 AM

SirEattonHogg: It's obvious but bears repeating... not all conspiracy theories are of equal value, but with the internet, even the most worthless and moronic idea gets play.


The Internet now allows any kook with a Youtube channel to gain a mass audience of fellow traveling morons. It used to be that you had to actually had a shiatty book published in order to gain some degree of following. Or bother people in the street with a badly xeroxed manifesto.
 
2013-04-25 02:25:23 AM
 
2013-04-25 02:37:05 AM

hardinparamedic: Or, it could be the fact that people have addressed the statements and theories you've proposed on everything from 9/11, to Vaccination, to Fluoride so many times that they get tired of hearing you say it, and at that point resort to making fun of you just to keep things interesting.


You're not poking fun, you're being an asshole. I even make fun of myself from time to time, as the 'crazy conspiracy theorist'. Something an ego like yours could never do, but will probably make it a point to do now that i've said that.

And I really don't talk about any of that stuff as much as you seem to think. Probably under a dozen times for each in all my years here. In the last few months you've randomly brought up my belief in those things more than i have, trying to pick a fight. It takes a lot more energy for me to calmly state my opinion fully than it does for someone like you to ignore everything and just call me names, so i can't be bothered a lot of the time. But even if i did talk about them often, why do differing opinions upset you so much? What kind of boring world where everyone agrees with you are you trying to enforce with your nastiness?

UFOs and aliens are my bag, and i've always talked about those a fair bit, but instead of arguing i just direct people to my profile now, where i've gathered some good evidence they can consider. But not surprisingly, those who argue with me don't want to consider it. Still leave it there for anyone curious, or capable of objective thought. I'm not big on talking about myself, anyway, so may as well use the space for something.
 
2013-04-25 02:41:48 AM

J. Frank Parnell: why do differing opinions upset you so much?


because the differing opinions we are talking about are irrational, misleading, and untrue.
 
2013-04-25 02:44:20 AM

hardinparamedic: J. Frank Parnell: When i see someone resort to namecalling and mockery it doesn't make me think they're very intelligent, or are capable of being objectively rational. But to each their own. Someone like Bill O'Reilly frequently gets mad and insults people instead of properly arguing anything they've said, and millions of people think that makes him look correct. Dark times, these are.

Or, it could be the fact that people have addressed the statements and theories you've proposed on everything from 9/11, to Vaccination, to Fluoride so many times that they get tired of hearing you say it, and at that point resort to making fun of you just to keep things interesting.

The fact you think you should be "respected" for saying things that are blatantly wrong, either from wilful or non-wilful ignorance is adorable.

What you are trying to do is invoke the Galileo Gambit - people laughed at him and he was right, after all. But the problem with that is that for you to be the Galileo, it's not enough to be mocked, you also have to be right.


My favorite was their claim that humans weren't meant to eat meat. As in, we're not meant to physiologically. I am still amused by that but I am easily amused.
 
2013-04-25 02:45:22 AM

J. Frank Parnell: You're not poking fun, you're being an asshole. I even make fun of myself from time to time, as the 'crazy conspiracy theorist'. Something an ego like yours could never do, but will probably make it a point to do now that i've said that.

And I really don't talk about any of that stuff as much as you seem to think. Probably under a dozen times for each in all my years here. In the last few months you've randomly brought up my belief in those things more than i have, trying to pick a fight. It takes a lot more energy for me to calmly state my opinion fully than it does for someone like you to ignore everything and just call me names, so i can't be bothered a lot of the time. But even if i did talk about them often, why do differing opinions upset you so much? What kind of boring world where everyone agrees with you are you trying to enforce with your nastiness?


Actually, you're absolutely right on one account. I am being an asshole to you when you go on about nonsense like this repeatedly. And the sad thing is, I'm pretty sure you're a nice guy otherwise. I really don't know what you would expect when you continually make statements which are not only repeatedly debunked, but blatantly wrong on many things. And then repeat them over, and over, and over again.

Frank, if it was one time in a blue moon, I wouldn't even go out of my way to point out how ridiculous you're acting. But it's not one time. It's almost every time we have a thread about vaccination, alternative medicine, fluoride, etc. And the fact that you think that people should have patience with that over and over and over again, after they have meticulously disproved the statements and bad advice you've given people in regards to things that can cause them harm is outrageous, Frank.

The thing that made me come out and be an asshole to you in this thread was your statement that people should have their lives destroyed so that they would believe in conspiracy theories, because they deserve it if they don't. Do you not see, in the least,  how completely outrageous it is to wish that on people because they choose to go with facts and evidence over conjectures and unproven theories with no evidence to support them? Or that they would even be the slight bit offended at things like 9/11 Trutherism, or HIV/AIDS denial, or anti-vaccination?

It's fine to ask questions, Frank. I've got beliefs that would be considered irrational or even questionable. But to expect those beliefs to be treated with the same gravitas and value as those with evidence is silly, Frank.
 
2013-04-25 02:47:09 AM
Operation Gladio
Operation Northwoods
The Business Plot
The Iran-Contra Affair
The Lavon Affair
MK-ULTRA
 
2013-04-25 02:51:14 AM

The Repeated Meme: Operation Gladio
Operation Northwoods
The Business Plot
The Iran-Contra Affair
The Lavon Affair
MK-ULTRA


log_jammin: ITT: People who don't know the difference between a "conspiracy", and a "conspiracy theory".

 
2013-04-25 02:54:48 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Most 'conspiracy theorists' are quite open to intelligent debate, and you might be surprised to see the evidence is sometimes in their favor. But it seldom gets that far before someone starts frothing at the mouth and calling anyone who suggests a conspiracy names.


No.
 
2013-04-25 02:55:09 AM

UnspokenVoice: My favorite was their claim that humans weren't meant to eat meat. As in, we're not meant to physiologically. I am still amused by that but I am easily amused.


along time ago in a fark thread far far away, someone once told me that all the archeological evidence we have from prehistoric man, such as arrowheads and spear tips were used for self defense and not hunting. anything made from bones were either from dead carcasses they stumbled upon or from the animals they were forced to kill(but not eat) in self defense.
 
2013-04-25 02:59:45 AM

log_jammin: UnspokenVoice: My favorite was their claim that humans weren't meant to eat meat. As in, we're not meant to physiologically. I am still amused by that but I am easily amused.

along time ago in a fark thread far far away, someone once told me that all the archeological evidence we have from prehistoric man, such as arrowheads and spear tips were used for self defense and not hunting. anything made from bones were either from dead carcasses they stumbled upon or from the animals they were forced to kill(but not eat) in self defense.


That is... BEAUTIFUL! Wow. I have never heard anyone make that claim and I'd stifle my laughter and seriously ask someone for some proof of that one. I'd pretend to know nothing of the subject and follow along - just so I can see where that came from.
 
2013-04-25 03:08:08 AM

UnspokenVoice: That is... BEAUTIFUL!


It really was. He took the "we use to eat less meat 100 years ago" and went as extreme as he could go.
 
2013-04-25 03:08:57 AM
There are two ways to slide through life without thinking. One is to believe everything, and the other to doubt everything. Sorting out the truth takes diligence and intelligence.
 
2013-04-25 03:11:24 AM

UnspokenVoice: My favorite was their claim that humans weren't meant to eat meat. As in, we're not meant to physiologically. I am still amused by that but I am easily amused.


When i pointed out cows can also absorb protein from meat, but clearly evolved as purely vegetarian, then used that to prove us being able to absorb protein from it doesn't mean we evolved to? Good times. I'm not even all 'anti-meat'. Was just saying something that is an actual fact, and here you are, mocking me for it.

hardinthehead is misrepresenting and twisting things again, too. I don't think you guys even need me here.to play pretend.
 
2013-04-25 03:14:49 AM
CRITICAL THINKING ABOUT CONSPIRACY THEORIES
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~j097/CONSP01.htm

"There is no way to defeat UCTs (unwarranted conspiracy theories); the more entrenched they are, the more resistance to disproof they become. Like some malign virus of thinking, they possess the ability to turn their enemies' powers against them, making any supposedly neutral criticism of the CT itself part of the conspiracy."

Great read.
 
2013-04-25 03:18:41 AM

J. Frank Parnell: to play pretend.


pretend what?
 
2013-04-25 03:21:37 AM

J. Frank Parnell: UnspokenVoice: My favorite was their claim that humans weren't meant to eat meat. As in, we're not meant to physiologically. I am still amused by that but I am easily amused.

When i pointed out cows can also absorb protein from meat, but clearly evolved as purely vegetarian, then used that to prove us being able to absorb protein from it doesn't mean we evolved to? Good times. I'm not even all 'anti-meat'. Was just saying something that is an actual fact, and here you are, mocking me for it.

hardinthehead is misrepresenting and twisting things again, too. I don't think you guys even need me here.to play pretend.


LOL No. No, not that thread - I must have missed that one. I figured I should save this number...\

6823173

(I number threads where I farky people as a reminder to myself in case the note doesn't make any sense to me.)
 
2013-04-25 03:27:31 AM

UnspokenVoice: 6823173


oh wow.
 
2013-04-25 03:28:01 AM

log_jammin: UnspokenVoice: That is... BEAUTIFUL!

It really was. He took the "we use to eat less meat 100 years ago" and went as extreme as he could go.


I have, for the most part, only normal friends. I dated a chick who was into the various theories but she wasn't really a believer, she was just amused. My father, on the other hand... He's a chemtrail, 9/11, false flag (even if the ongoing news is still only five minutes into a news event and has no true details), and wide scale weather/geological manipulation. He's 189 years old (it seems) and I humor him for a bit at times but he mostly leaves me alone with them.
 
2013-04-25 03:30:52 AM

J. Frank Parnell: UnspokenVoice: My favorite was their claim that humans weren't meant to eat meat. As in, we're not meant to physiologically. I am still amused by that but I am easily amused.

When i pointed out cows can also absorb protein from meat, but clearly evolved as purely vegetarian, then used that to prove us being able to absorb protein from it doesn't mean we evolved to? Good times. I'm not even all 'anti-meat'. Was just saying something that is an actual fact, and here you are, mocking me for it.

hardinthehead is misrepresenting and twisting things again, too. I don't think you guys even need me here.to play pretend.


Of course the fact that humans can digest and absorb protein isn't knock-down proof that humans were meant to eat meat.  Fortunately that's far from the only piece of evidence for that hypothesis.  A much better one, for example, is the fact that there are ten amino acids that are essential to humans (i.e. humans cannot synthesize them), whereas cows have only two.

I do suspect there is at least one person in this thread misrepresenting and twisting arguments - and if hardinparamedic is doing so, then there's at least two.
 
2013-04-25 03:31:20 AM
wirsindeins.files.wordpress.com

The Truth is Revealed!

It's just a turd that looks like a baby alien.
 
2013-04-25 03:32:13 AM
Conspiracy theorists are ALL Republitards. Amirite?
 
2013-04-25 03:39:37 AM

log_jammin: UnspokenVoice: 6823173

oh wow.


I've had people also deny doing/saying stuff in the past. Saving the numbers when I farky them has actually resulted in some amusing results/back peddling etc... The real reason I keep track is 'cause I'm often pretty high and I'm very forgetful but it has helped me make a point a few times. Making a point is valuable I suppose but not nearly as valuable as the few times it has been damned funny.
 
2013-04-25 03:42:21 AM

UnspokenVoice: I have, for the most part, only normal friends. I dated a chick who was into the various theories but she wasn't really a believer, she was just amused. My father, on the other hand... He's a chemtrail, 9/11, false flag (even if the ongoing news is still only five minutes into a news event and has no true details), and wide scale weather/geological manipulation. He's 189 years old (it seems) and I humor him for a bit at times but he mostly leaves me alone with them.


between my best friend wanting to buy one of those "ionizing" bracelet things, and my brother who now thinks the Mayans come from Georgia but main stream science is keeping it a secret(He seen it on the discovery channel so it has to be true, and anything I show him to the contrary is wrong because it came from the internet and you can't believe what you see on the internet) add to the usual gang of bible types, I'm losing that last little bit of compassion for humanity.
 
2013-04-25 03:44:35 AM

thorthor: Conspiracy theorists are ALL Republitards. Amirite?


Actually no, but there's a conspiracy to keep left-wing conspiracy theorists out of the media.
 
2013-04-25 04:02:00 AM

Mithiwithi: thorthor: Conspiracy theorists are ALL Republitards. Amirite?

Actually no, but there's a conspiracy to keep left-wing conspiracy theorists out of the media.


In my limited tolerance, conservative conspiracy theories tend to orbit around the one-world-government/Illuminati/mind control pole of conspiracies; they're also more likely to embrace things like weird chemicals, weird coverups, weird experiments, and assorted other weirdity. Lefty conspiracies orbit the complementary, though not necessarily opposite pole of existing government coverups, big-corporation conspiracies, multi-layer (and sometimes multi-generational) plots of insane complexity, and Dr. No-style deceit. Each side always blames the other for perpetrating the conspiracy. I'd say based on no real research that conservative conspiracy theories are more bizarre overall; but liberal theories make up for in normalcy by being incredibly more complex.

So whereas a conservative might believe that the 9/11 conspiracy was part of a UN plot to bring down the US government and take away our gunz, a liberal might believe the 9/11 conspiracy was a coordinated effort by the Bush Administration using operatives hired from the Saudi government who were being paid for by CIA funds through a shell company which had hired bin Laden's construction company to do work for Halliburton once the Iraq War was launched; and the explosives were some kind of amazing ultra-black secret project being worked up by DoD and 9/11 was really a test case cobbled together so they could better test their new WMDs.

Same root cause, just different paths to get there.
 
2013-04-25 04:12:25 AM
My best friend was lost to the abyss of conspiracy theories.

What the hell do you do when someone who is very intelligent and ordinarily reasonable gradually becomes more and more irrational about their beliefs in conspiracies and insists that if you don't believe the same you are part of the conspiracy? They spend countless hours on the internet researching theories from the fringes. My IR degree means nothing because it came from the "establishment" and therefore my education is false and only they know the truth. I have not yet opened my eyes. They cannot even accept the possiblity that there is no "one truth," that we don't have all the answers, and that it is actually not possible to have all the answers.Why can't they accept that there are things we don't know but THIS ISNT PROOF THERE IS A NEFARIOUS GLOBAL PLOT AFOOT!

For my friend, non-belief in his ideas are not possible... there is no agreeing to disagree about our world views. Questioning his world view is tantamount to questioning his very core self.  It becomes impossible to have a conversation anymore since his world view is completely incompatible with mine and his has no room for any other possibilities. We don't even live in the same reality anymore. Its like when you go to one of those crazy churches where people are speaking in tongues and you wonder what exactly they are feeling because you don't feel anything at all.  Our realities have utterly diverged.
 How did it come to this?


chemtrails, fluoride, amero, truthers, lizard people, transmitters in fluorescent lights, etc etc etc.
Yet I cannot prove that these do not exist, therefore proving they do exist.

GODAMITSOMUCH!!!!

/misses my best friend :(
 
2013-04-25 04:13:27 AM

Triumph: The halls of corporate and political power are generally incorruptible, guileless and represented to the public by the media in a forthright fashion. People who question it are mentally ill.


Only people without evidence, when the real facts are indisputable.
 
2013-04-25 04:18:02 AM

my herniated disc: What the hell do you do when someone who is very intelligent and ordinarily reasonable gradually becomes more and more irrational about their beliefs in conspiracies and insists that if you don't believe the same you are part of the conspiracy?


start here

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Debunking-Handbook-now-freely-availa bl e-download.html
 
2013-04-25 04:19:12 AM

BarkingUnicorn: All you really need to be in control is an ignore list.




Who wants to live in an echo chamber?
 
2013-04-25 04:27:05 AM

GleeUnit: Follow the money... Which corporation financed this study? Find out who's trying to convince you there's no conspiracy. That's where you'll find the REAL conspiracy.


Find out who's trying to convince you there IS a conspiracy...and wants your money to help expose it.
 
2013-04-25 04:36:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: Mithiwithi: thorthor: Conspiracy theorists are ALL Republitards. Amirite?

Actually no, but there's a conspiracy to keep left-wing conspiracy theorists out of the media.

In my limited tolerance, conservative conspiracy theories tend to orbit around the one-world-government/Illuminati/mind control pole of conspiracies; they're also more likely to embrace things like weird chemicals, weird coverups, weird experiments, and assorted other weirdity. Lefty conspiracies orbit the complementary, though not necessarily opposite pole of existing government coverups, big-corporation conspiracies, multi-layer (and sometimes multi-generational) plots of insane complexity, and Dr. No-style deceit. Each side always blames the other for perpetrating the conspiracy. I'd say based on no real research that conservative conspiracy theories are more bizarre overall; but liberal theories make up for in normalcy by being incredibly more complex.

So whereas a conservative might believe that the 9/11 conspiracy was part of a UN plot to bring down the US government and take away our gunz, a liberal might believe the 9/11 conspiracy was a coordinated effort by the Bush Administration using operatives hired from the Saudi government who were being paid for by CIA funds through a shell company which had hired bin Laden's construction company to do work for Halliburton once the Iraq War was launched; and the explosives were some kind of amazing ultra-black secret project being worked up by DoD and 9/11 was really a test case cobbled together so they could better test their new WMDs.

Same root cause, just different paths to get there.


Both sides are crazy, so vote Cthulhu?
 
2013-04-25 04:39:07 AM

hardinparamedic: Fano: What's interesting to me is the vortex of crazy when conspiracy nuts get together. Listening to the old Art Bell show was amazing, because some episodes would sound like the time Bart had everyone together and talks about how the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people and the reverse vampires..." I mean to say that among the conspiracy nuts there seemed to be an unspoken rule not to shiat on other conspiracies, just to wad them all together, even the mutually contradictory ones. It's amazing the things people can convince themselves to believe. Which monarch in Wonderland was the one that could hold multiple contradictory thoughts at once? Like that.

It's still hilarious to listen to, especially when George Norrie takes the head. I sometimes have to remind myself I'm not listening to the Onion.

Don't judge me. In some of the areas I transport in, we have two and a half hour one way drives. North Mississippi has an abundance of AM radio and Country FM stations. Since I hate the later, the former tend to amuse me since my boss won't let us install a Sirius in the ground trucks.


Did you hear the one about the woman who saw the astral projection ... the naked astral projection of Johnny Horton (who had just died) hovering over her bed? And just before his...projection came down on her, George Norrie cut the story short. Only one I've ever heard him cut off. And it was just getting good.
 
2013-04-25 04:39:27 AM
FTA: Another common trait is the need to constantly expand the conspiracy as new evidence comes to light. For instance, with the so-called Climategate scandal, there were something like nine different investigations, all of which have exonerated the scientists involved. But the response from the people who held this notion was to say that all of those investigations were a whitewash. So it started with the scientists being corrupt and now not only is it them, but it's also all the major scientific organizations of the world that investigated them and the governments of the U.S. and the U.K., etc., etc. And that's typical - instead of accepting the evidence, you actually turn it around and say that it's actually evidence to support the conspiracy because it just means it's even broader than it was originally thought to be.

 Heh, I remember seeing that happen on Fark.
 
2013-04-25 05:19:03 AM

log_jammin: The Repeated Meme: Operation Gladio
Operation Northwoods
The Business Plot
The Iran-Contra Affair
The Lavon Affair
MK-ULTRA

log_jammin: ITT: People who don't know the difference between a "conspiracy", and a "conspiracy theory".



Maybe I'm a little older than you, but I remember a time when anyone who mentioned MK-ULTRA was regarded as a kook, crazy, a conspiracy theorist, a nut, a whackjob, etc, right up to the time the CIA said "oh yeah, that was true, our bad, LULZ!"

Since then, its all "of course it was a conspiracy. But who cares? It doesn't matter."

I'm sure psychologists would have something to say about that.
 
2013-04-25 05:23:16 AM

The Repeated Meme: Maybe I'm a little older than you, but I remember a time when anyone who mentioned MK-ULTRA was regarded as a kook, crazy, a conspiracy theorist, a nut, a whackjob, etc, right up to the time the CIA said "oh yeah, that was true, our bad, LULZ!"

Since then, its all "of course it was a conspiracy. But who cares? It doesn't matter."


I'm sure you thought you made a point there, but I'm failing to find it.
 
2013-04-25 05:24:29 AM
Some people really need a splash of cold water:
Life is not as interesting as you think it is.
 
2013-04-25 05:40:17 AM

log_jammin: The Repeated Meme: Maybe I'm a little older than you, but I remember a time when anyone who mentioned MK-ULTRA was regarded as a kook, crazy, a conspiracy theorist, a nut, a whackjob, etc, right up to the time the CIA said "oh yeah, that was true, our bad, LULZ!"

Since then, its all "of course it was a conspiracy. But who cares? It doesn't matter."

I'm sure you thought you made a point there, but I'm failing to find it.


Everything that was discovered to be a conspiracy started out as a conspiracy theory.
 
2013-04-25 05:42:36 AM

Amos Quito: CONSPIRACY FACT: 19 hijackers armed with box cutters directed by OBL commandeered planes and brought down WTC 1, 2, 7 and damaged the Pentagon.

CONSPIRACY THEORY: That any factor other than the above may have been involved.

CONSPIRACY FACT: That Saddam Hussein was deeply involved with Al-Qaeda ,and helped orchestrate 9-11. He also had WMD's and could "strike Israel" in as little as 40 minutes.

CONSPIRACY THEORY: Anything other than the above.


/Are you a "Conspiracy Theorist"?


It's always baffled me that the same people who believe the Bush government lied outright about Iraq yet were 100% truthful about 9/11.
 
2013-04-25 05:58:50 AM

The Repeated Meme: Everything that was discovered to be a conspiracy started out as a conspiracy theory.


Everything that was discovered about MK-ULTRA? or every conspiracy in general?

either way I'm still not sure what your point is. Since there was a rumor about the CIA giving people LSD and testing if mind control was possible, and it later turned out that some of those rumors were true, then all conspiracy theories have merit and the idea that lizard people control the government should be given equal weight with the idea that the CIA does disinformation campaigns? Is that what you're trying to say?
 
2013-04-25 06:03:27 AM

Pichu0102: Some people really need a splash of cold water:
Life is not as interesting as you think it is.


Just keep thinking that. Now move along.
 
2013-04-25 06:06:06 AM
if conspiracy theorists are mentally ill, you must concede that religious people are as well...

and for that matter anyone who believes in anything.

because by definition belief is not fact...

but i dare you to go through life without believing anything...
 
2013-04-25 06:09:01 AM

mraudacia: if conspiracy theorists are mentally ill,


In most cases, they are not.
 
2013-04-25 06:29:25 AM

The Repeated Meme: Maybe I'm a little older than you, but I remember a time when anyone who mentioned MK-ULTRA was regarded as a kook, crazy, a conspiracy theorist, a nut, a whackjob, etc, right up to the time the CIA said "oh yeah, that was true, our bad, LULZ!"

Since then, its all "of course it was a conspiracy. But who cares? It doesn't matter."


Well as soon as it's not a conspiracy theory anymore, it's just one of those things, like the Bilderberg group.   They denied it's existence for decades, and then when they were forced to admit that they really had these meetings, people just said 'oh, well, it doesn't matter that they meet in secret, it's fine'.
 
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