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(Salon)   Psychologist says that people believe in conspiracy theories so they can "have a sense of control." Of course that's what they want you to believe   (salon.com) divider line 187
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2013-04-24 06:57:26 PM  
It's a coping mechanism
 
2013-04-24 07:03:01 PM  

cretinbob: It's a coping mechanism


Sure, but who controls the "mechanism"? Didn't think about that didya!
 
2013-04-24 07:28:09 PM  
That's the kind of limited thinking I expect out of sheeple.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
 
2013-04-24 07:46:34 PM  
Study it out.
 
2013-04-24 07:48:56 PM  
This is a false flag operation. It says Salon, but American Thinker is really behind it. Need proof?

FTFA - "I don't think there is a systematic association between political views and the propensity to believe in conspiracy theories. There are some studies that suggest people on the political left are inclined to it, and there are some that suggest people on the right are. But it's always a weak association. "
 
2013-04-24 09:04:32 PM  
All you really need to be in control is an ignore list.
 
2013-04-24 09:06:30 PM  

Fano: That's the kind of limited thinking I expect out of sheeple.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!


WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, YOU BASTARD!!!!

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Or, it could be the fact that we've evolved to have conspiratorial, irrational beliefs and religious fantasies as part of our brain's development. You're never going to take those out of human society unless you remove the temporal lobe at birth in every person, or we evolve to a different neurological structure.

MrBallou: This is a false flag operation. It says Salon, but American Thinker is really behind it. Need proof?

FTFA - "I don't think there is a systematic association between political views and the propensity to believe in conspiracy theories. There are some studies that suggest people on the political left are inclined to it, and there are some that suggest people on the right are. But it's always a weak association. "


Politics are only involved in so far as what general theme of derp one is willing to believe. Those on the right are more willing to see evil communists or globalists, and stick to strong nationalistic theories, while those on the left are the ones you most commonly see being involved in things like 9/11 Trutherism, and Boston Bombing derp. Those on the right also are most common to adhere to racial superiority theories.

And then you have some themes that are apolitical, like anti-vaccination or anti-medicine.
 
2013-04-24 09:08:46 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: All you really need to be in control is an ignore list.


Ignore doesn't work when people in real life making real decisions believe this crap.
 
2013-04-24 09:25:43 PM  
I don't think there is a systematic association between political views and the propensity to believe in conspiracy theories. There are some studies that suggest people on the political left are inclined to it, and there are some that suggest people on the right are. But it's always a weak association. There are some theories that appeal to only one side, however. For example, the idea that 9/11 was an inside job was fairly common among Democrats in the early part of the 2000s, and very few Republicans believed it at the time. But conversely, the idea that the U.N. is trying to create a world government is predominantly held by people on the right, but not at all by people on the political left. So it really doesn't depend on politics.

Conspiracy theory websites have all basically bled into each other over the last 10 years, so certain theories have essentially become "canon" to everyone who follows them in general.   It's gotten to the point that every single horrible incident in the world from school shootings (mind control/false flag) to earthquakes (HAARP) are now immediately accepted into the larger narrative the moment they hit the news.

What seems to be happening though is the conspiracy theorist websites say conclusively that the attack was a deliberate move by a shadowy cabal somewhere, but their actual motives are usually part of a broad movement that is impossible to pin down exactly.  So the Boston bombing was an attack to begin to start getting a gun crack down to disarm everyone, but the actual details of what the one world government that takes over will be like are vague.  At best, they just make it sound like a post-Apocalyptic waste land.  That leaves the ultimate slant of the shadowy group up for interpretation, because the conspiracy theory websites only vaguely go into detail about the people running the show in their world or what they truly want other than just control.  Conservatives will think that the UN is going to conquer the world and some Biblical Villain will rule it, while Liberals think that there is some group of Bush Cabinet members plotting to set up a bunch of perpetual wars 1984 style.

Then all of it shows up on central places like Alex Jones, which is followed by both sides.  I know it's a little more right leaning now, but plenty of my fellow libs were taking that shiat seriously when Bush was in office.  Since the true final motives are often open to interpretation, the different sides just fill in the rest of the narrative along their own political bent.  That is my take on how it actually works in practice.

/I occasionally read them out of curiosity - lately it has mainly been to try to follow laws passed by Middle American legislatures - and that seems to be how it works
 
2013-04-24 09:30:04 PM  
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Care should be taken around Class 2s. They can become very violent if their beliefs are questioned, and tend to act out against others.
 
2013-04-24 09:31:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: cretinbob: It's a coping mechanism

Sure, but who controls the "mechanism"? Didn't think about that didya!


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He's controlled it since the Great Alfie War of 1985.  Prior to that, of course, Alfie controlled it.
 
2013-04-24 09:36:00 PM  
The Boston bombing was a conspiracy. The FBI currently has a conspiracy theory about it. They will charge the guy with conspiracy. If they win their case it will be a proven conspiracy. What's with the FBI and all their "conspiratorial thinking?"
 
2013-04-24 09:40:51 PM  
Follow the money... Which corporation financed this study? Find out who's trying to convince you there's no conspiracy. That's where you'll find the REAL conspiracy.
 
2013-04-24 09:47:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fano: That's the kind of limited thinking I expect out of sheeple.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, YOU BASTARD!!!!

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Or, it could be the fact that we've evolved to have conspiratorial, irrational beliefs and religious fantasies as part of our brain's development. You're never going to take those out of human society unless you remove the temporal lobe at birth in every person, or we evolve to a different neurological structure.

MrBallou: This is a false flag operation. It says Salon, but American Thinker is really behind it. Need proof?

FTFA - "I don't think there is a systematic association between political views and the propensity to believe in conspiracy theories. There are some studies that suggest people on the political left are inclined to it, and there are some that suggest people on the right are. But it's always a weak association. "

Politics are only involved in so far as what general theme of derp one is willing to believe. Those on the right are more willing to see evil communists or globalists, and stick to strong nationalistic theories, while those on the left are the ones you most commonly see being involved in things like 9/11 Trutherism, and Boston Bombing derp. Those on the right also are most common to adhere to racial superiority theories.

And then you have some themes that are apolitical, like anti-vaccination or anti-medicine.


I agree to all this. And the article makes plenty of sense to me too. Human minds seem configured to find patterns where there are none. I cannot award partisan points because as you say, the only thing that varies is the flavor of the conspiracy. Intelligence doesn't matter too much because the smarter folks that believe in conspiracies just use more sophisticated and subtle pattern recognition. I know that I've talked to what I consider well-educated people that, when you get them on the "right subject," start saying things like "the Zionists and the Bilderbergers meet regularly to develop world policy, you know that, right?"

I think it is a reaction to make sense of a senseless world. What's sanity, anyway? A one trick pony. All it gives you is rational thought. But when you're good and crazy, woohooHOO, the sky's the limit. Not to say that folks that believe in conspiracies are necessarily crazy.

What's interesting to me is the vortex of crazy when conspiracy nuts get together. Listening to the old Art Bell show was amazing, because some episodes would sound like the time Bart had everyone together and talks about how the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people and the reverse vampires..." I mean to say that among the conspiracy nuts there seemed to be an unspoken rule not to shiat on other conspiracies, just to wad them all together, even the mutually contradictory ones. It's amazing the things people can convince themselves to believe. Which monarch in Wonderland was the one that could hold multiple contradictory thoughts at once? Like that.
 
2013-04-24 09:51:51 PM  

Fano: What's interesting to me is the vortex of crazy when conspiracy nuts get together. Listening to the old Art Bell show was amazing, because some episodes would sound like the time Bart had everyone together and talks about how the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people and the reverse vampires..." I mean to say that among the conspiracy nuts there seemed to be an unspoken rule not to shiat on other conspiracies, just to wad them all together, even the mutually contradictory ones. It's amazing the things people can convince themselves to believe. Which monarch in Wonderland was the one that could hold multiple contradictory thoughts at once? Like that.


It's still hilarious to listen to, especially when George Norrie takes the head. I sometimes have to remind myself I'm not listening to the Onion.

Don't judge me. In some of the areas I transport in, we have two and a half hour one way drives. North Mississippi has an abundance of AM radio and Country FM stations. Since I hate the later, the former tend to amuse me since my boss won't let us install a Sirius in the ground trucks.
 
2013-04-24 10:02:44 PM  

cretinbob: It's a coping mechanism


Maybe, but it's a HIGHLY destructive one.
 
2013-04-24 10:05:11 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fano: What's interesting to me is the vortex of crazy when conspiracy nuts get together. Listening to the old Art Bell show was amazing, because some episodes would sound like the time Bart had everyone together and talks about how the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people and the reverse vampires..." I mean to say that among the conspiracy nuts there seemed to be an unspoken rule not to shiat on other conspiracies, just to wad them all together, even the mutually contradictory ones. It's amazing the things people can convince themselves to believe. Which monarch in Wonderland was the one that could hold multiple contradictory thoughts at once? Like that.

It's still hilarious to listen to, especially when George Norrie takes the head. I sometimes have to remind myself I'm not listening to the Onion.

Don't judge me. In some of the areas I transport in, we have two and a half hour one way drives. North Mississippi has an abundance of AM radio and Country FM stations. Since I hate the later, the former tend to amuse me since my boss won't let us install a Sirius in the ground trucks.


When I was studying optometry in Memphis, Coast to Coast was my go to for the trip back from Beale. It added something at that unreal hour to listen to some genuine crazy talk. Always entertaining. I can't judge you for it, I can't imagine anything else better suited for the wee hours of the morning.

/The tips of shoelaces are called aglets. Their purpose... is sinister.
 
2013-04-24 10:07:04 PM  

Fano: When I was studying optometry in Memphis, Coast to Coast was my go to for the trip back from Beale. It added something at that unreal hour to listen to some genuine crazy talk. Always entertaining. I can't judge you for it, I can't imagine anything else better suited for the wee hours of the morning.

/The tips of shoelaces are called aglets. Their purpose... is sinister.


Southern College of Optometry or UT Medical? I used to live off of Pauline and Monroe in the Apartment complex there, so I had neighbors that went to both schools.

I always like it when they talk about the Shadow People. I try to play the game of "Meth Addict or Mentally Ill".
 
2013-04-24 10:09:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fano: When I was studying optometry in Memphis, Coast to Coast was my go to for the trip back from Beale. It added something at that unreal hour to listen to some genuine crazy talk. Always entertaining. I can't judge you for it, I can't imagine anything else better suited for the wee hours of the morning.

/The tips of shoelaces are called aglets. Their purpose... is sinister.

Southern College of Optometry or UT Medical? I used to live off of Pauline and Monroe in the Apartment complex there, so I had neighbors that went to both schools.

I always like it when they talk about the Shadow People. I try to play the game of "Meth Addict or Mentally Ill".


Southern.

I lived at the Cabanas for some time then off Central. Still miss Central BBQ. Still think the city should be wiped from the map. You're good people, though.
 
2013-04-24 10:14:39 PM  
The halls of corporate and political power are generally incorruptible, guileless and represented to the public by the media in a forthright fashion. People who question it are mentally ill.
 
2013-04-24 10:17:19 PM  

Fano: lived at the Cabanas for some time then off Central. Still miss Central BBQ. Still think the city should be wiped from the map. You're good people, though.


Just nuke everything North and south of the 240 loop. Midtown and Cordova would be left, and it'd be a nice place to live. :)
 
2013-04-24 10:22:58 PM  

Ambivalence: cretinbob: It's a coping mechanism

Maybe, but it's a HIGHLY destructive one


Correct. Not all coping mechanisms are positive, or effective.
 
2013-04-24 11:22:58 PM  
We've found out and arrested conspirators in this country. It's not like conspirators are unicorns or anything.
 
2013-04-25 12:20:42 AM  
Sure it gives me control. MIND CONTROL. Just like what the government is using against me. But I'm much too clever for that.
 
2013-04-25 12:21:33 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: All you really need to be in control is an ignore list.


So much THIS. You read my mind,
 
2013-04-25 12:23:51 AM  
The reason people beleive conspiracy theories is because they have caught the govt and media lieing to them so many times.
 
2013-04-25 12:25:11 AM  

jaylectricity: We've found out and arrested conspirators in this country. It's not like conspirators are unicorns or anything.


Human history is absolutely rife with conspiracies. This recent notion being forced on the public that you have to be crazy to believe they happen is rather, suspicious.
 
2013-04-25 12:25:26 AM  
It's on Salon.com is it really worth reading?
 
2013-04-25 12:26:29 AM  
People are stupid and will believe anything, either because they want it to be true or they are afraid that it might be true. -- Wizards First Rule

But I do think its funny that conspiracies only became "crazy" on or around January 20th 2009.
 
2013-04-25 12:28:33 AM  
When a former president of the United States claims he can't recall where he was when JFK was killed, that isn't a conspiracy theory. That's just plain scary.

I've said too much....
 
2013-04-25 12:29:19 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Human history is absolutely rife with conspiracies. This recent notion being forced on the public that you have to be crazy to believe they happen is rather, suspicious.


And this is what is known as the vindication of all kooks corollary to the theory of crank magnetism.

Just because some idiot proposed Operation Northwood doesn't mean it happened. Just because Tuskegee occurred does not mean that the Government perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. Just because Iran-Contra happened, does not mean that the Reptilian Overlords are using vaccinations to cause your precious little snowflake to have autism and rambunctious behavior.
 
2013-04-25 12:31:24 AM  
This just in:  Overclocked ape brains sometimes have trouble processing the stimuli of accelerating technological advancement.  See also:  organized religion existing in an age when it should be treated as the primitive mythology it is.
 
2013-04-25 12:32:04 AM  
I think we are conditioned to believe that there is order in the universe and life.  It is why we believe in fate, destiny, karma, high powers, etc.  We would feel really lost if things weren't in our control.  It maybe the only way we stay sane is knowing that somewhere, someone or something has some kind of control.
 
2013-04-25 12:33:51 AM  
It's obvious but bears repeating... not all conspiracy theories are of equal value, but with the internet, even the most worthless and moronic idea gets play.
 
2013-04-25 12:34:27 AM  

randomjsa: But I do think its funny that conspiracies only became "crazy" on or around January 20th 2009.


Says who?
 
2013-04-25 12:37:12 AM  
I'll also add that anyone who mocks conspiracy theorists should have their wife cheat on them with their best friend for years. Weaving an elaborate web of lies and having thousands of covert bangings, right under their nose. It will be all the more easier because whenever they begin to suspect something, they'll stop themselves because they don't want to be a 'crazy' conspiracy theorist.
 
2013-04-25 12:38:27 AM  

Fano: hardinparamedic: Fano: When I was studying optometry in Memphis, Coast to Coast was my go to for the trip back from Beale. It added something at that unreal hour to listen to some genuine crazy talk. Always entertaining. I can't judge you for it, I can't imagine anything else better suited for the wee hours of the morning.

/The tips of shoelaces are called aglets. Their purpose... is sinister.

Southern College of Optometry or UT Medical? I used to live off of Pauline and Monroe in the Apartment complex there, so I had neighbors that went to both schools.

I always like it when they talk about the Shadow People. I try to play the game of "Meth Addict or Mentally Ill".

Southern.

I lived at the Cabanas for some time then off Central. Still miss Central BBQ. Still think the city should be wiped from the map. You're good people, though.


So move the people, move Central BBQ, and firebomb the city?
 
2013-04-25 12:41:15 AM  

Precision Boobery: organized religion existing in an age when it should be treated as the primitive mythology it is.


We Need a Whole Lot More of Jesus (and a Lot Less Rock and Roll)
 
2013-04-25 12:41:38 AM  
I believe in conspiracy theories because the Illuminati mind controlled me into doing it.
 
2013-04-25 12:41:42 AM  
If you've been involved in power systems for any decent length of time, you learn two things:

1) People are almost always plotting something in secret, and
2) Random, unpredictable shiat happens from time to time and for no good reason
 
2013-04-25 12:42:02 AM  

hardinparamedic: BarkingUnicorn: All you really need to be in control is an ignore list.

Ignore doesn't work when people in real life making real decisions believe this crap.



What crap?
 
2013-04-25 12:42:26 AM  
I'm "Friends" with a dude on Facebook whose feed is typically normal, but goes batsh-- anytime something scary happens in the news. Among the "conspiracies" he's spreading the word about:

*Newtown: the grieving parents are apparently "actors." I'm unsure if he thinks the dead kids are fake or real.
*Boston bombing: the culprits' backpacks "don't match" surveillance photos and pressure cookers are apparently too big to fit inside backpacks at all.
*Airplane contrails or "chemtrails," which he uncovered after listening to a conspiracy theory radio show with a "former member of the government" on as a guest.

I'm beginning to think he's mentally ill.
 
2013-04-25 12:44:11 AM  

Amos Quito: What crap?


Agenda 21, Vaccines as Population Control, Reptile Aliens controlling the Earth, secret UN Armies, FEMA Concentration Camps, 9/11 was a false flag/holographic missile...

These are generally things which can be called crap.

J. Frank Parnell: I'll also add that anyone who mocks conspiracy theorists should have their wife cheat on them with their best friend for years. Weaving an elaborate web of lies and having thousands of covert bangings, right under their nose. It will be all the more easier because whenever they begin to suspect something, they'll stop themselves because they don't want to be a 'crazy' conspiracy theorist.


So your response to it being pointed out that you're so full of crap it's dripping from your ears is to equate your wife cheating on you with, say, 9-11 Trutherism?
 
2013-04-25 12:44:46 AM  
I think a distinction should be drawn between healthy skepticism and tin foil hat wearing.

And farking clinical psychologists.  Yeah, the U.S. produce a lot of college graduates, but most of them have worthless degrees.  We probably award more psychology degrees than the rest of the world combined and this is how we end up wit research like this.  Meanwhile, the Chinese are kicking our ass in STEM.  Go to any university and poll the white students and Asian students about what their major is.  I think you will see a pretty clear distinction..
 
2013-04-25 12:47:01 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: And farking clinical psychologists.  Yeah, the U.S. produce a lot of college graduates, but most of them have worthless degrees.  We probably award more psychology degrees than the rest of the world combined and this is how we end up wit research like this.  Meanwhile, the Chinese are kicking our ass in STEM.  Go to any university and poll the white students and Asian students about what their major is.  I think you will see a pretty clear distinction..


Big farking deal. As long as we have Peruvians, we are doing okay. You see, they like to swoop in and save the day at the last minute.

And they can shoot laser beams from their eyes.

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In other news, Depression hits losers the hardest.
 
2013-04-25 12:50:05 AM  
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Control? For what end? Who stands to gain? Whose control?
 
2013-04-25 12:50:07 AM  
I've always thought that things do not happen "for a reason" and there is no such thing as fate or karma.  The universe is a cold, unfeeling place ("feelings" after all are just a series of chemical reactions in biological structures) and it is only by sheer accident that life in general and you in particular exist and survive.  I also think that after death there is literally nothing, but the brain has a difficult time imagining its own non-existence.

The fact that I find this notion unappealing has always seemed to me an indication that it is likely to be true.
 
2013-04-25 12:50:31 AM  
There have been conspiracy theories as long as humans have been humans.
 
2013-04-25 12:51:11 AM  

Wayne 985: a "former member of the government"


That could be ol' Bob who used to work at the Post Office. I was looking at a particular site that had some interesting, authoritative post from a guy with some fancy letters and a (Ret.) after his name. I got curious and goggled it, and he was (according to the abbreviated "rank") a Customs officer, GS-7 up to GS-9.
 
2013-04-25 12:52:20 AM  
I know the good doctor said conspiracy theory believers are spread across intelligence levels, but it's been my observation that people who believe in conspiracy theories tend to think they're smarter than everyone else. All of us dummies fall for the official story, but Mr. Inside Info knows the real story. You weren't dumb enough to believe the Boston bombers were throwing explosive out of their vehicle, were you? Ha Ha, you're so gullible. I figured they liked it because they weren't so smart but it made them feel smart.
 
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