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(NPR)   Psychologists make groundbreaking discovery that people play favorites with those they like   (npr.org) divider line 37
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2013-04-24 06:38:58 PM
I knew there was an explanation. Favoritism.


/goes back to bed
 
2013-04-24 06:46:30 PM
Giving someone an extra break or additional attention because they have some sort of personal connection to you, such as being an alumnus of the same school or having been a student in someone's class, is not "prejudice," and it's prejudiced against common sense and basic human interaction to suggest otherwise. In fact, I'm prejudiced against the sort of simpering buffoon who'd suggest otherwise.
 
2013-04-24 06:48:59 PM

Pocket Ninja: Giving someone an extra break or additional attention because they have some sort of personal connection to you, such as being an alumnus of the same school or having been a student in someone's class, is not "prejudice," and it's prejudiced against common sense and basic human interaction to suggest otherwise. In fact, I'm prejudiced against the sort of simpering buffoon who'd suggest otherwise.


That buffoon lives in Washington DC.  BOOM personal connection.  Time to change your mind.
 
2013-04-24 06:51:33 PM

12349876: That buffoon lives in Washington DC.  BOOM personal connection.  Time to change your mind.


That might be a somewhat interesting point if I lived in Washington DC.
 
2013-04-24 06:55:20 PM

Pocket Ninja: 12349876: That buffoon lives in Washington DC.  BOOM personal connection.  Time to change your mind.

That might be a somewhat interesting point if I lived in Washington DC.


That means either your comment or your profile is lying.
 
2013-04-24 06:59:11 PM

12349876: That means either your comment or your profile is lying.


My profile? The place where I have ninja puppets as pictures of myself and my family?

You've caught me. Damn.
 
2013-04-24 07:00:21 PM
Surprise. Surprise. This insight brought to you by NPR.
 
2013-04-24 07:01:19 PM
Water wet sky blue and fire hot amongst the other findings of this study
 
2013-04-24 07:04:14 PM
I don't, that's why it's so goddamn hard to be a manager.
 
2013-04-24 07:04:46 PM

Pocket Ninja: 12349876: That means either your comment or your profile is lying.

My profile? The place where I have ninja puppets as pictures of myself and my family?

You've caught me. Damn.


I'm well aware you often aren't serious.  Just trying (and probably failing) to continue the joke.

For those who DRTFA, a woman initially declines a magazine interview and then changes her mind when the interviewer namedrops Yale and a doctor upgrades his treatment procedure when a volunteer student namedrops the patient as a Yale professor.
 
2013-04-24 07:04:55 PM
What??????  No!!!!

fwe months ago we hired an incredibly hot gal.  quite predictably, every guy in the office can't stop sniffing around her cubicle, volunteering to do anything and everything humanly possible to "help get you up to speed", which of course means, "bang the unholy crap out of you such that you require a cervix transplant"
 
2013-04-24 07:06:16 PM
Well, you know, one can try to eliminate overt prejudice in one's life. One can try to eliminate more subtle racism/bias where one finds it.

But if you spend all your time trying to figure out "Am I doing this because I want to do a good job because I'm a nice person, or because I'm unconsciously doing a favor for someone I have a connection to? And who am I unconsciously slighting by doing so?" you'll never get anything done. It's like trying to figure out if you really want to buy something or if you've been subtly coerced into buying it by advertising. Do you really need laundry soap, or have you been brainwashed into thinking you must have clean clothes?

Do what you do and try not to be too mean about it. You can't deconstruct everything and still function in life.
 
2013-04-24 07:07:25 PM
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2013-04-24 07:09:57 PM

Proteios1: Surprise. Surprise. This insight brought to you by NPR.


It's no surprise that they're surprised.

In the NPR Universe, merit is the only consideration.
 
2013-04-24 07:10:12 PM

Mantour: [cache.blippitt.com image 335x349]


And sometimes it's a big, brown dick!

i51.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-24 07:11:39 PM
Looks like Mr Obvious got his funding money again
 
2013-04-24 07:13:54 PM

Pocket Ninja: Giving someone an extra break or additional attention because they have some sort of personal connection to you, such as being an alumnus of the same school or having been a student in someone's class, is not "prejudice," and it's prejudiced against common sense and basic human interaction to suggest otherwise. In fact, I'm prejudiced against the sort of simpering buffoon who'd suggest otherwise.


The real question is are you prejudiced against racists?
 
2013-04-24 07:15:38 PM
I don't like any of you, which is why none of you are showing up on my favorites list.  I know this is causing you immeasurable concern, but the good news is you only have to suck my dick (if you're a hot dude), send me a photo of your dick (if you have one) via email, or pay me one million dollars and I'll add you to my favorites.
 
2013-04-24 07:20:39 PM
That's really well done, subby - have a greenlight.
 
2013-04-24 07:22:33 PM
 
2013-04-24 07:23:07 PM
I will show favoritism with any farkettes who want to BIE me!

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/boobie trolling, I know
//still won't hurt to try
 
2013-04-24 07:29:14 PM
You know, I've always wondered if this was possible.
 
2013-04-24 07:48:18 PM

Gyrfalcon: Well, you know, one can try to eliminate overt prejudice in one's life. One can try to eliminate more subtle racism/bias where one finds it.

But if you spend all your time trying to figure out "Am I doing this because I want to do a good job because I'm a nice person, or because I'm unconsciously doing a favor for someone I have a connection to? And who am I unconsciously slighting by doing so?" you'll never get anything done. It's like trying to figure out if you really want to buy something or if you've been subtly coerced into buying it by advertising. Do you really need laundry soap, or have you been brainwashed into thinking you must have clean clothes?

Do what you do and try not to be too mean about it. You can't deconstruct everything and still function in life.



True, but the example of the person not getting optimal medical care until they were revealed to be a professor from Yale was a little disturbing. Everyone gets the best possible care, except some get a better version of the best possible care apparently. I'm not sure we should be comfortable with that.
 
2013-04-24 08:20:11 PM

Nidiot: Gyrfalcon: Well, you know, one can try to eliminate overt prejudice in one's life. One can try to eliminate more subtle racism/bias where one finds it.

But if you spend all your time trying to figure out "Am I doing this because I want to do a good job because I'm a nice person, or because I'm unconsciously doing a favor for someone I have a connection to? And who am I unconsciously slighting by doing so?" you'll never get anything done. It's like trying to figure out if you really want to buy something or if you've been subtly coerced into buying it by advertising. Do you really need laundry soap, or have you been brainwashed into thinking you must have clean clothes?

Do what you do and try not to be too mean about it. You can't deconstruct everything and still function in life.


True, but the example of the person not getting optimal medical care until they were revealed to be a professor from Yale was a little disturbing. Everyone gets the best possible care, except some get a better version of the best possible care apparently. I'm not sure we should be comfortable with that.


She was getting the best care. That's the point. Everyone can't get the most best care--someone's ALWAYS going to get something better. As long as what she was getting before was going to work, the fact that there was something more better is not relevant. If everyone is to get treated as if they are Yale professors, what happens when someone comes in who is on the Yale Board of Trustees and gets a little better care than that? And how do you know for sure? And if we all get treated like that, should we be upset if the Governor of Massachusetts comes in and gets even better treatment?

It's just as futile to be spiraling up as to be spiraling down. As long as you're not treating people WORSE, the hair-splitting over who might be getting treated a little better becomes ridiculous.
 
2013-04-24 08:33:11 PM
Gyrfalcon:And if we all get treated like that, should we be upset if the Governor of Massachusetts comes in and gets even better treatment?

It's just as futile to be spiraling up as to be spiraling down. As long as you're not treating people WORSE, the hair-splitting over who might be getting treated a little better becomes ridiculous.


I think you're missing the question here. This example speaks to the larger concern of health care in this country, and who gets what. The treatment someone who needs care receives should depend on A. how ill the are, B. whether those treatments would actually be effective, and C. what is the future prognosis for other patients like them.
The Yale professor's name dropping is what gets people up in arms, since it regards none of these factors in the determination of the level of care... only the fact that the patient is an instructor at an Ivy league college, and supposedly "more important". "Who you know" shouldn't get your cancer treated any better than who you don't, and that this happens with something as important as medicine (life and death) is appalling.
 
2013-04-24 08:56:24 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Mantour: [cache.blippitt.com image 335x349]

And sometimes it's a big, brown dick!

[i51.photobucket.com image 158x175]


damn you! I wanted to say that.
That's right, I wanted "big brown dick" to escape from my mouth first, but you came here before me =(.
 
2013-04-24 08:57:12 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Pocket Ninja: Giving someone an extra break or additional attention because they have some sort of personal connection to you, such as being an alumnus of the same school or having been a student in someone's class, is not "prejudice," and it's prejudiced against common sense and basic human interaction to suggest otherwise. In fact, I'm prejudiced against the sort of simpering buffoon who'd suggest otherwise.

The real question is are you prejudiced against racists?


Aren't we all? Tolerance of intolerance is not a virtue.
 
2013-04-24 09:22:36 PM
The ninja flamed?  Most unusual.  Not his most brilliant post, I admit, but every pocket has some lint at the bottom.

The Farkers focused on the examples from TFA but it sounds as if the sociology profs are arguing that race is still broadly relevant even for people who think they are not being prejudiced on the basis of race.  The examples of societal elites getting free preferential treatment is supposed to make people think about all the people that don't get it.  Their message seems to be that charity should begin not at home as much with those "other" kind of people, the ones outside your own group.  Oh sorry I forgot you farkers live in the basements of your Moms (who all seem to have remarkably loose morals) and have no groups.  Sociologists usually lean socialist, but even they are right about some things.
 
2013-04-24 09:24:24 PM

Mantour: [cache.blippitt.com image 335x349]


Except it is NOT a cigar.

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2013-04-24 10:11:00 PM

MrHappyRotter: I don't like any of you, which is why none of you are showing up on my favorites list.  I know this is causing you immeasurable concern, but the good news is you only have to suck my dick (if you're a hot dude), send me a photo of your dick (if you have one) via email, or pay me one million dollars and I'll add you to my favorites.


Good for you for thinking anyone actually looks at your profile or gives a shiat. That's hot.
 
2013-04-25 12:38:10 AM

rewind2846: Gyrfalcon:And if we all get treated like that, should we be upset if the Governor of Massachusetts comes in and gets even better treatment?

It's just as futile to be spiraling up as to be spiraling down. As long as you're not treating people WORSE, the hair-splitting over who might be getting treated a little better becomes ridiculous.

I think you're missing the question here. This example speaks to the larger concern of health care in this country, and who gets what. The treatment someone who needs care receives should depend on A. how ill the are, B. whether those treatments would actually be effective, and C. what is the future prognosis for other patients like them.
The Yale professor's name dropping is what gets people up in arms, since it regards none of these factors in the determination of the level of care... only the fact that the patient is an instructor at an Ivy league college, and supposedly "more important". "Who you know" shouldn't get your cancer treated any better than who you don't, and that this happens with something as important as medicine (life and death) is appalling.


Exactly.

I see absolutely no reason to give the Governor of Massachusetts any different care to anyone else. Why should a Governor be entitled to better care? It's supposed to be the best care for everyone, not the best care according to your social standing.

Gyrfalcon: Everyone can't get the most best care--someone's ALWAYS going to get something better.


It simply is no longer "best care" if there is a better version of it. Maybe you could call it "appropriate care" instead. In which case is it acceptable that what is seen as "appropriate care" for Mr or Mrs Average is of a lesser standard than for Professor Ivy League? Personally, I don't believe that it is acceptable for an average person to receive a lower quality level of medical care than someone else who just happens to have a nicer title. But then I don't believe in either class or caste systems either.
 
2013-04-25 01:58:36 AM
The general idea that "prejudice is bad" is stupid.  Prejudice is what keeps you from touching the hot stove burner twice.    If you don't act on your experience then there is no such thing as learning.  There would be no need for memory.  Every moment in your life would just be a disconnected instant where you act as if no available option was preferable, because how could you know with pre-judging?
 
2013-04-25 03:49:08 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: The general idea that "prejudice is bad" is stupid.  Prejudice is what keeps you from touching the hot stove burner twice.


No it's not. Prejudice is acting without knowing the relevant facts. It has been defined as a "feeling, favorable or unfavorable, toward a person or thing, prior to, or not based on, actual experience." If you've already burnt yourself on the stove burner once and don't do it again it only shows you had the actual experience and were able to learn from it, and it has nothing to do with prejudice.
 
2013-04-25 04:47:44 AM

Nidiot: If you've already burnt yourself on the stove burner once and don't do it again it only shows you had the actual experience and were able to learn from it, and it has nothing to do with prejudice.


If you are wary of other stove burners in the future, that is prejudice.  You don't know if this new stove burner is hot or not, you have no evidence either way, but you've learned it is better to act as if it is and be careful, until proven otherwise.

When I come home at night and I see my dog waiting for me, I run to my dog and start petting his head and playing with him.  Tonight, there are some strange dogs there too that I have never seen before from around the neighborhood.  I love dogs in general, but these strange neighborhood dogs might be lovavble and snuggly, or they might not.  The wiser person does not run toward the strange dog and try to grab it.  A lessen many people learn in childhood from a negative outcome.

According to this lady, I see every random dog I see the same as I do my trusted friend Fido.  Which, as I said, is stupid.
 
2013-04-25 06:27:30 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: According to this lady, I see every random dog I see the same as I do my trusted friend Fido.  Which, as I said, is stupid.


If you did see every dog as the same as your trusted friend Fido, that would be a form of prejudice, my dog is friendly therefore all dogs are friendly. It's a lack of prejudice that makes you regard other dogs with a certain amount of caution and awareness that they may not be as friendly as Fido. You haven't made an assumption of friendly or unfriendly, you haven't pre-judged, therefore not prejudice.

Stoves don't really have the variability of humans or dogs, plus it is inanimate, it wont do you or the stove burner any harm assume a burner is hot unless proven otherwise.
 
2013-04-25 07:25:01 AM
my company has a group created solely for women..they have had 3 conferences in other states so far this year...must be nice

If i created the counterpart and tried to get accounting to pay for it, i would prob be fired for sexism
 
2013-04-25 08:04:16 AM

tbhouston: my company has a group created solely for women..they have had 3 conferences in other states so far this year...must be nice

If i created the counterpart and tried to get accounting to pay for it, i would prob be fired for sexism


My parents have a great phone/internet deal from some company that requires you be over 55. How is that allowed? I don't imagine it would go down as well if it insisted you be under 55.
 
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