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(PennLive)   School bus driver charged for letting kids fight without intervening. He just said "clear the aisle and let them fight"   (pennlive.com) divider line 77
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2013-04-24 05:52:11 PM

rkiller1: FTA: Police charged Hollis under a law requiring guardians or those in a position of trust to care for children.

He cared enough that he let the kids learn all on their own. Bet he beats the charges.


Come to think, he was caring the other children when he told them to get out of the way.  Didn't want them to get hurt.
 
2013-04-24 05:53:54 PM
Insurance problems yeah, but I would also attribute the low crime rate in countries like Japan to their pursuit of martial arts. You learn a lot about yourself when you're fighting.
 
2013-04-24 05:56:58 PM
He made the right call. He'd still be fired if he true to break it up, and he'd also have taken a few punches.
 
2013-04-24 06:21:51 PM

Cerebral Knievel: accelerate rapidly, then slam on the brakes.


That would be a great story.
 
2013-04-24 06:24:34 PM

DubtodaIll: Insurance problems yeah, but I would also attribute the low crime rate in countries like Japan to their pursuit of martial arts. You learn a lot about yourself when you're fighting.


I would attribute it to a long history of collectivism and it being a closed society for a few thousand years, but that's just what the eggheads that study these things say, what do they know?
 
2013-04-24 06:28:09 PM

keepitcherry: And if dude actually would have intervened he would have gotten fired for "touching the kids". Damned if you do damned if you don't. I think he did the right thing.


This, in spades. Guy should get a hero tag.
 
2013-04-24 06:29:15 PM

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i forget the IQ's around here
 
2013-04-24 06:41:08 PM
Was a kid in the 3rd grade or so. One of the kids behind me was smacking me over the head with his coat. The coat had a gigantic zipper on it so the zipper was hitting me in the face every time this farker was smacking me over the head with his coat. I stood up, turned around, and hit this douche square in the nose and sat back down. Hitting me over the head with his coat stopped.

A few minutes later the bus driver pulls over and stops. I turn around and the kid I hit in the nose is bleeding. Everywhere. He was able to find a handkerchief or something to try to hold his nose, yet there was still blood going all over the place. The bus driver was ex-marine, with a crew cut (this was the 70's, a crew cut was flat out weird back then). He came back and asked, "What is going on?" I explained what happened and he simply said, "Oh." Got back in the drivers seat and continued to drop us off as normal.

I was scared to death my parents were going to get "the phone call" that evening, so I did my best to be unseen all night long. Gained a shiatload of respect towards the freaky ex-marine bus driver after that. Got to enjoy awkward conversations with said nose-bleeding douchebag a few times after that. No one ever farked with me on the bus ever again.
 
2013-04-24 06:42:14 PM
Obviously, the only right answer here would have been to stop the bus, light off a bug-bomb-like pepper gas device, and exit the bus.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:19 PM
Not knowing what the rules are regarding what bus drivers are authorized to do (sadly, this is not obvious), the bus was sitting in front of the school; I think I'd have told the 18-year-old to get the fark off the bus or be arrested. That probably would have stopped the fight, at least.

But yeah, this sounds like the kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't thing that the bus driver could not have resolved satisfactorily regardless of what he did. If he physically broke up the fight, I don't doubt the 18-year-old would have complained about being manhandled by him.

It's too bad that shiatty parents have made working in schools such a shiat job.

Not surprised the school system threw him under the bus.  Hey-oh!

I'll be here awhile longer, tip your server.
 
2013-04-24 06:45:37 PM
The problem was the driver telling the other students to "clear the aisle and let them fight". He should've waited until the one kid was all woozy, and Chun Li is about to win...then yell "FINISH HIM!"
 
2013-04-24 07:07:05 PM
Theyre kids. Why is it his job to break a fight up.
go ahead and put your hands on someone elses child.
see how fast your in the unemployment line. Damned if he does damned if he doesnt

hell when i was a kid in toronto the teachers werent legally aloud to break a fight up. Got in a few brawls on the playground.

nothing like a half dozen adults ringing bells and blowing whistles yelling stop it as you duke it out.
 
2013-04-24 07:35:57 PM
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2013-04-24 07:44:24 PM

Fano: The Pope of Manwich Village:

I'm thinking of the driver from you can't do that on television


Les Lye was a funny man and a pretty decent human being.

/daaaa-I wish he heard that
 
2013-04-24 08:04:48 PM
Fired and the law involved. Geez! You'd think he gave them each a board with a nail in it.
 
2013-04-24 08:24:44 PM
No he should have stopped them.

Its lose lose but that doesnt make the most self serving option the right one. He should have stopped the kids from fighting. They could have been really really hurt. The school bus isn't some ambiguous legal zone for kids where they can bare knuckle brawl without adult involvement.

He should have stopped the bus and gone back there and physically separated them.

RenownedCurator: I get how as a school bus driver he does have to make sure the kids are OK -- but in this case, the "kids" were an 18 year old girl and a "juvenile male" who I'm guessing was not much younger. If they'd been fighting on a public bus, nobody would be arresting the driver, they'd be arresting the teens for assault and endangering the people around them.


They were students of the high school and while riding the bus they are the legal responsibility of the school division. When you ride public transit public transit makes the rules. When you attend a school and get brought home by a school bus you are technically under the guardianship of the school while on that bus. If you are 18 then you either agree to their rules or you find your own ride.

What -- is the driver going to get sued? By the parents? Maybe. But theres a good chance that the school would provide him tons of legal protection and the legal system itself has plenty of protections for people who interrupt violent assaults.

Since when do adults stand around and let children fark each other up?
 
2013-04-24 08:33:42 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: But yeah, this sounds like the kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't thing that the bus driver could not have resolved satisfactorily regardless of what he did. If he physically broke up the fight, I don't doubt the 18-year-old would have complained about being manhandled by him.


So? Tell the cops she was beating the shiat out of a minor. I dont care if your a woman. What -- like having tits keeps anyone from being able to stop you when your physically violent? Any judge worth their salt would call it a reasonable use of force.

You are allowed to use reasonable force to stop this kind of crap. You dont get to take free swings because your so tough you would have to be assaulted yourself to stop.
 
2013-04-24 08:41:43 PM
Did he try the "If you don't sit down and shut up I will shoot this bunny" technique?
 
2013-04-24 08:44:53 PM
He should have intervened, and when he got brutally assaulted and verbally abused from all the mean little children, the internet could have raised money for him like they did that bus monitor.
 
2013-04-24 08:48:29 PM

mikefinch: Since when do adults stand around and let children fark each other up?


It isn't like he was stranger or innocent bystander either. He's charged with the care, custody, and safety of minors while they're on his bus. Worse, he didn't just stand by and watch them fight, he actively encouraged the fight. This ridiculous assclown has no business driving a school bus.
 
2013-04-24 08:51:55 PM
teenage mutant ninja rapist: Theyre kids. Why is it his job to break a fight up.


Because he is in charge of their safety while they ride his bus. If someone is beating on you you aren't safe are you?
Whats worse -- you touched my kid (albeit in an effort to keep them from bodily harm) or You just drove the bus around while someone beat the crap out of a kid in the back? Their KIDS!!! They dont have the judgement an adult does. You cant lay responsibility on their tiny little heads the way you can with an adult. Thats why adults are put in charge.

I would rather explain to a parent that i touched their kid (more like grabbed by the scruff of the neck) because timmy and suzy started hitting each other? Or would i rather explain why timmy needs 2 grand in dental work after suzy kicked his head into a seat support and broke a bunch of teeth and i just sat there and watched someone hurt their kid because i was afraid of some helicopter parent getting steamed?

Fear of litigation should never keep you from doing the obviously right thing.
 
2013-04-24 09:13:20 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Great Janitor: And that is why I am not in any form of authority or implied authority over children.  Two kids want to fight, let them fight.  When I was in high school and jr high I would have rather fought someone and had it out instead of being told not to fight and that if I did, under zero tolerance, I would be arrested and expelled.  At least when you fight, it's out of your system over and done with.

You ever been in a fight in high school or jr high? It was never two kids wanting to fight it was always three loser assholes, who would be in jail by the time they were twenty, holding down one kid and kicking the shiat out of him.


It was "never" that way?  I get the feeling you were the held-down kid.
 
2013-04-24 10:24:42 PM
As long as there was no digital penetration
 
2013-04-24 10:35:15 PM
Horse crap. My mother was a bus driver after she retired, and kids are all nasty little shiats. If the guy stopped them he might have hurt one and been sued.
 
2013-04-24 11:00:11 PM

jeffro0050: If the guy stopped them he might have hurt one and been sued.


Unlikely as he had legal responsibility for their safety. He can be sued for NOT doing anything too -- Pretty negligent in my eyes to let two kids go at it like that.
 
2013-04-25 02:15:49 AM
Is it legal to beat other people's kids? No? Then what the hell did you expect?
 
2013-04-25 08:29:01 AM

DubtodaIll: Insurance problems yeah, but I would also attribute the low crime rate in countries like Japan to their pursuit of martial arts. You learn a lot about yourself when you're fighting.


just because they have slant eyes doesn't mean they know kung fu.
 
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