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(Law Officer)   Dramatic pictures of Watertown shootout taken by resident from his bedroom window   (lawofficer.com) divider line 17
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2013-04-24 03:56:05 PM
5 votes:
Link

Pictures can be found there with explanations of what you are seeing.
2013-04-24 04:12:37 PM
2 votes:
Watching this guy giving his Skype interviews in the immediate aftermath of the firefight was amazing.  Not because of the coverage, but because he felt comfortable sitting in his room talking to the media while behind him on the street were (according to him) three backpacks and a car being examined by a bomb disposal robot.  Three backpacks and a car full of an unknown amount of explosives.  But he didn't feel comfortable OPENING THE WINDOW to give the reporters a better view.  THAT would have been dangerous.

People don't understand things that go boom.
2013-04-24 03:56:07 PM
2 votes:
The suspect's uncle said to reporters that they put shame on their family, and on Chechnya. He wanted to kneel before the victims families and beg their forgiveness.
2013-04-24 03:45:56 PM
2 votes:
www.lawofficer.com

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.
2013-04-24 02:59:42 PM
2 votes:
I started taking pictures with my iPhone

Never mind, then.
2013-04-24 06:55:21 PM
1 votes:
If I were in that position, I had confirmation that the guys outside were on the evil side of the firefight, and I had a solid understanding of firearm tactics and the skill and accuracy to execute them, I like think I'd have done what ITGs assume they would have done.  Otherwise I'd be hauling ass to the back of the building or the basement.

It all goes back to "well-regulated".  I'd trust somebody with military training to take the shot.  I would not trust some jackoff with a $99 Wal-Mart rifle and more hours logged in Call of Duty than at the range to do it.
2013-04-24 06:21:50 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Dimensio: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

I own a rifle. If such a situation occurred outside of my residence, I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.

Let's think about that for a minute.

There is an on-going firefight.  You have the capability to end it quickly, and the element of surprise.  Because of something called "target fixation", it is extremely unlikely that either the criminals or the police are even going to notice your first shot.  You are approximately 20 or at most 30 yards from the criminals, which is an easy shot with a rifle.

So, alternative 1:  You wait it out.  Meanwhile, bullets are flying, and they are coming into your home:

[www.lawofficer.com image 351x468]

You're rolling the dice.  Will you get hit?  Probably not, the odds are in your favor.  But what if someone else does?

Option 2:  Shoot them.  By the time the surviving person figures out you are shooting at them, you've probably already got him in your crosshairs and are pulling the trigger.   Remember that you have the element of surprise here, so unless you're such a major fark-up that you can't hit a person in the chest with a deer rifle at 25 yards (which, if you can't, you shouldn't be deer hunting anyway), you're going to kill at least one of them before either knows what happened.

Once you've got them, you stop shooting, unload and safe the gun, and let the police know what happened.

Generally, if you shoot people who are shooting at the police, they don't get too mad at you.  At least, I've never heard of someone being charged for shooting someone who was shooting at the police, and yes, armed civilians have done that a number of times.


All well and good...unless the terrorists had stolen police uniforms, and you end up killing the two undercover cops who'd just flushed them out...

/gun owner myself
//just saying
///make DAMN sure of your target
2013-04-24 05:49:44 PM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: dittybopper: They can't see into that window at all.

You or I with a mod. 94 winchester 30 30, could hit them one shot kill. and it would be over fast.
I would worry about anyone who owns a AR15.
Seriously, I can see some spay and pray idiot missing the hell out of anything but the cops.


Meh.  I've owned a Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II, a Norinco AKM, and a Norinco SKS.  Any one of them would have been appropriate.

AR-15's are ubiquitous, they are the most popular rifle in America.  Don't judge.  Embrace the diversity.
2013-04-24 05:22:35 PM
1 votes:
Sure, in an ongoing firefight while you yourself are ducking rifle fire. So, you take an adrenaline pumped panicky shot and miss or cause a non disabling wound. They fire back and probably throw that bomb into YOUR house.

It's as stupid as all the NRA assholes that thought they could take the Batman shooter down.
2013-04-24 04:46:43 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Dimensio: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

I own a rifle. If such a situation occurred outside of my residence, I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.

Let's think about that for a minute.

There is an on-going firefight.  You have the capability to end it quickly, and the element of surprise.  Because of something called "target fixation", it is extremely unlikely that either the criminals or the police are even going to notice your first shot.  You are approximately 20 or at most 30 yards from the criminals, which is an easy shot with a rifle.

So, alternative 1:  You wait it out.  Meanwhile, bullets are flying, and they are coming into your home:

[www.lawofficer.com image 351x468]

You're rolling the dice.  Will you get hit?  Probably not, the odds are in your favor.  But what if someone else does?

Option 2:  Shoot them.  By the time the surviving person figures out you are shooting at them, you've probably already got him in your crosshairs and are pulling the trigger.   Remember that you have the element of surprise here, so unless you're such a major fark-up that you can't hit a person in the chest with a deer rifle at 25 yards (which, if you can't, you shouldn't be deer hunting anyway), you're going to kill at least one of them before either knows what happened.

Once you've got them, you stop shooting, unload and safe the gun, and let the police know what happened.

Generally, if you shoot people who are shooting at the police, they don't get too mad at you.  At least, I've never heard of someone being charged for shooting someone who was shooting at the police, and yes, armed civilians have done that a number of times.


Two problems would confound that decision:

1) I am clumsy.

2) At the time of night that the shootout occurred, I am usually drunk.
2013-04-24 04:45:34 PM
1 votes:

katerbug72: airsupport: Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.

The photo of his body tells another story. He looks run over to me.


I didn't see the photo, and I haven't read the unsealed indictment, but the Commish mentioned in a radio interview (not that he was there or will always tell the truth) that the older brother ran out of ammo and charged the officers.  One of the officers lowered his weapon and engaged in a fight.  As this was going on, the younger brother jumped in the car and sped toward them.  2 other officers jumped in, no one could hear anything because of the bomb explosion.  At the last minute they jumped out of the way leaving Suspect #1 to get run over.

Either way, Bro #1 had already been shot a few times - I'm waiting for a report to discuss how much PCP the brothers were on that whole time.
2013-04-24 04:25:34 PM
1 votes:

airsupport: Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.


The photo of his body tells another story. He looks run over to me.
2013-04-24 04:13:25 PM
1 votes:
Since when does dramatic mean blurry and out of focus.
2013-04-24 04:01:37 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.



Ahh, you've seen the work of the police before, I gather.
2013-04-24 03:56:53 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.


I own a rifle. If such a situation occurred outside of my residence, I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.
2013-04-24 03:54:48 PM
1 votes:

alexanderplatz: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x446]

What's going on with the smaller vehicle on the left side of the picture?


The brothers arrived at that point in two different cars. One had the stolen SUV and the other was in the small car which had more ammunition in it. The guy who was kidnapped when they high jacked the SUV said that they stopped at the smaller car to gather the rest of the weapons.
2013-04-24 03:48:35 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.


Hmmm nice.....tastes too good to pass up.....6/10...it's got a good beat and I can dance to it.
 
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