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2013-04-24 02:59:42 PM
I started taking pictures with my iPhone

Never mind, then.
 
2013-04-24 03:09:42 PM
www.lawofficer.com

Damn, dude could have been Farking it up and got shot.
 
2013-04-24 03:12:02 PM
www.lawofficer.com

What's going on with the smaller vehicle on the left side of the picture?
 
2013-04-24 03:44:23 PM

alexanderplatz: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x446]

What's going on with the smaller vehicle on the left side of the picture?


I can't wait for the conspiracy nuts to pore over these looking for "clues"
 
2013-04-24 03:45:56 PM
www.lawofficer.com

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.
 
2013-04-24 03:46:32 PM
Fake.
 
2013-04-24 03:46:49 PM

dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.


Set the bait early friend! You'll get lots of bites.
 
2013-04-24 03:47:41 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Fake.


Because of the pixels?
 
2013-04-24 03:47:53 PM

YodaBlues: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

Set the bait early friend! You'll get lots of bites.


already got two.
 
2013-04-24 03:48:09 PM

dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.


After he was gunned down by the cops, of course.
 
2013-04-24 03:48:35 PM

dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.


Hmmm nice.....tastes too good to pass up.....6/10...it's got a good beat and I can dance to it.
 
2013-04-24 03:50:27 PM

blatz514: [www.lawofficer.com image 351x468]

Damn, dude could have been Farking it up and got shot.


Which is another reminder to be careful which porn sites you are visiting, or at least visit them on the computer in the basement.  If you can't do that, use the iBeenShot app which will automatically close your browser and bring up a spreadsheet in the event you've been shot.


dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.


Yes, law enforcement should be encouraging random citizens to involve themselves in police shootouts.  Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.
 
2013-04-24 03:51:17 PM
Lando Lincoln: I started taking pictures with my iPhone 5

Never mind, then.

If you're going to make fun of him subby, at least be specific and do it right!
 
2013-04-24 03:51:50 PM

alexanderplatz: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x446]

What's going on with the smaller vehicle on the left side of the picture?


The brothers were initially in separate vehicles during the car chase, both the carjacked black Mercedes-Benz SUV and a (green?) Honda Civic that IIRC belonged to their mother.   Presumably that other vehicle is the Civic.  You can see it in a different photo as the vehicle being searched by a bomb-disposal robot.
 
2013-04-24 03:52:47 PM

dittybopper: If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.


Troll post or not, he actually could have.  A shotgun with buckshot would have probably been sufficient.
 
2013-04-24 03:52:57 PM

alexanderplatz: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x446]

What's going on with the smaller vehicle on the left side of the picture?


It was Grandma, trying to get home from her bridge game.

/no clue

//or lucky guess??
 
2013-04-24 03:54:48 PM

alexanderplatz: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x446]

What's going on with the smaller vehicle on the left side of the picture?


The brothers arrived at that point in two different cars. One had the stolen SUV and the other was in the small car which had more ammunition in it. The guy who was kidnapped when they high jacked the SUV said that they stopped at the smaller car to gather the rest of the weapons.
 
2013-04-24 03:56:05 PM
Link

Pictures can be found there with explanations of what you are seeing.
 
2013-04-24 03:56:07 PM
The suspect's uncle said to reporters that they put shame on their family, and on Chechnya. He wanted to kneel before the victims families and beg their forgiveness.
 
2013-04-24 03:56:53 PM

dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.


I own a rifle. If such a situation occurred outside of my residence, I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.
 
2013-04-24 03:57:07 PM

JustGetItRight: A shotgun with buckshot would have probably been sufficient.


Poetic, at the least.
 
2013-04-24 03:57:19 PM
needs to work on his lighting and composition.
 
2013-04-24 03:59:11 PM
He ran at police, did he?

"Watch this, Dzhokhar , I saw it on Expendables 2".

Followed by;

"Come at me, bro!".

"Well...OK..."

"NOOO, I didn't mean y..."
 
2013-04-24 03:59:43 PM
"Dramatic" ? Where are the dudes dodging bullets? Where are the exploding cars?
 
2013-04-24 04:00:08 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: He wanted to kneel before the victims families


Well, that's just cruel.
 
2013-04-24 04:00:52 PM
Filter > Texture > Patchwork

File > Save

/done
 
2013-04-24 04:01:08 PM

I_Am_Weasel: He ran at police, did he?


Suicide by cop.
 
2013-04-24 04:01:37 PM

Dimensio: I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.



Ahh, you've seen the work of the police before, I gather.
 
2013-04-24 04:01:43 PM
I'll wait for the CNN CGI recreation, thank you very much.
 
2013-04-24 04:04:24 PM

Aarontology: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

After he was gunned down by the cops, of course.


I don't know about that, we're taling about MA Police Officers, not LA Cops...

www.theblaze.com
 
2013-04-24 04:08:21 PM
I found a better photo of the shootout --

www.originalprop.com
 
2013-04-24 04:09:23 PM
i.imgur.com

/lunapic.com
 
2013-04-24 04:09:50 PM
Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.
 
2013-04-24 04:10:50 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: alexanderplatz: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x446]

What's going on with the smaller vehicle on the left side of the picture?

I can't wait for the conspiracy nuts to pore over these looking for "clues"


In one picture you can clearly see...a "grassy knoll."
 
2013-04-24 04:10:52 PM

Aarontology: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

After he was gunned down by the cops run over with a stolen SUV by his shiathead brother, of course.


FTFY
 
2013-04-24 04:12:13 PM
"Well, first there were two grainy, amorphous blobs. Then, an appendage appeared to protrude from blob #1 and there was a popping noise. Blob #2 flattened longitudinally for a few seconds, then sprouted a protrusion of its own and there were several more popping noises. Blob #1 approached blob #2 at an increased rate of speed, after somebody tossed a smoke grenade..."
 
2013-04-24 04:12:37 PM
Watching this guy giving his Skype interviews in the immediate aftermath of the firefight was amazing.  Not because of the coverage, but because he felt comfortable sitting in his room talking to the media while behind him on the street were (according to him) three backpacks and a car being examined by a bomb disposal robot.  Three backpacks and a car full of an unknown amount of explosives.  But he didn't feel comfortable OPENING THE WINDOW to give the reporters a better view.  THAT would have been dangerous.

People don't understand things that go boom.
 
2013-04-24 04:13:25 PM
Since when does dramatic mean blurry and out of focus.
 
2013-04-24 04:13:39 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Yes, law enforcement should be encouraging random citizens to involve themselves in police shootouts.  Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.


Actually, here is a list of armed civilians who came to the aid of police officers.
 
2013-04-24 04:14:04 PM

HAMMERTOE: "Well, first there were two grainy, amorphous blobs. Then, an appendage appeared to protrude from blob #1 and there was a popping noise. Blob #2 flattened longitudinally for a few seconds, then sprouted a protrusion of its own and there were several more popping noises. Blob #1 approached blob #2 at an increased rate of speed, after somebody tossed a smoke grenade..."


Are you quoting a Rosie O'Donnell fanfic?
 
2013-04-24 04:14:09 PM

Calmamity: Dimensio: I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.


Ahh, you've seen the work of the police before, I gather.


As a resident of Kentucky, I likely would receive substantial praise from the police if I successfully intervened in such a way. However, I am unwilling to place my life at such risk unnecessarily; my firearms are intended for recreational use in a controlled environment and -- should the extremely unlikely circumstance arise -- personal defense. They are not intended to allow me to assist police in apprehending armed criminal suspects.
 
2013-04-24 04:16:02 PM

PoweredByIrony: Watching this guy giving his Skype interviews in the immediate aftermath of the firefight was amazing.  Not because of the coverage, but because he felt comfortable sitting in his room talking to the media while behind him on the street were (according to him) three backpacks and a car being examined by a bomb disposal robot.  Three backpacks and a car full of an unknown amount of explosives.  But he didn't feel comfortable OPENING THE WINDOW to give the reporters a better view.  THAT would have been dangerous.

People don't understand things that go boom.


You are correct.

When a potentially explosive device is present outside of a home, occupants of the home should open all windows, to prevent glass from being blown into the home should the device detonate.
 
2013-04-24 04:18:10 PM

airsupport: Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.


No, I understand that, that actually happened and that the older(dead) brother is now know as Speed Bump.
 
2013-04-24 04:19:45 PM

airsupport: Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.


Guess you didn't actually look at the photo gallery.

(Last picture is of the younger brother "charging" the cops with the SUV while they try to handcuff the older brother on the ground.)
 
2013-04-24 04:20:15 PM

YodaBlues: Are you quoting a Rosie O'Donnell fanfic?


lol
 
2013-04-24 04:21:41 PM

Dimensio: You are correct.

When a potentially explosive device is present outside of a home, occupants of the home should open all windows, to prevent glass from being blown into the home should the device detonate.


No no, that's tornadoes.

With bombs, you want to CLOSE the windows, open the shades halfway, and quickly install a LOCKABLE cat door if you don't already have one.
 
2013-04-24 04:21:53 PM

ZackDanger: airsupport: Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.

Guess you didn't actually look at the photo gallery.

(Last picture is of the younger brother "charging" the cops with the SUV while they try to handcuff the older brother on the ground.)


www.lawofficer.com
 
2013-04-24 04:25:18 PM
I too have found a dramatic picture of two brothers battling the local authorites.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-24 04:25:34 PM

airsupport: Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.


The photo of his body tells another story. He looks run over to me.
 
2013-04-24 04:26:46 PM
I can't really comprehend the instinct to go stand up and look out a window when you hear massive gunfire instead of hitting the deck.
 
2013-04-24 04:28:00 PM

Dimensio: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

I own a rifle. If such a situation occurred outside of my residence, I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.


Let's think about that for a minute.

There is an on-going firefight.  You have the capability to end it quickly, and the element of surprise.  Because of something called "target fixation", it is extremely unlikely that either the criminals or the police are even going to notice your first shot.  You are approximately 20 or at most 30 yards from the criminals, which is an easy shot with a rifle.

So, alternative 1:  You wait it out.  Meanwhile, bullets are flying, and they are coming into your home:

www.lawofficer.com

You're rolling the dice.  Will you get hit?  Probably not, the odds are in your favor.  But what if someone else does?

Option 2:  Shoot them.  By the time the surviving person figures out you are shooting at them, you've probably already got him in your crosshairs and are pulling the trigger.   Remember that you have the element of surprise here, so unless you're such a major fark-up that you can't hit a person in the chest with a deer rifle at 25 yards (which, if you can't, you shouldn't be deer hunting anyway), you're going to kill at least one of them before either knows what happened.

Once you've got them, you stop shooting, unload and safe the gun, and let the police know what happened.

Generally, if you shoot people who are shooting at the police, they don't get too mad at you.  At least, I've never heard of someone being charged for shooting someone who was shooting at the police, and yes, armed civilians have done that a number of times.
 
2013-04-24 04:28:38 PM

SmithHiller: [i.imgur.com image 450x338]

/lunapic.com


Amazing. I had no idea JJ Abrams was a FARKer. :P
 
2013-04-24 04:28:38 PM
From the Onion: "Area Man Now Checks Inside Boat In Driveway Every Morning"
 
2013-04-24 04:29:11 PM
Should have switched to video recording and had the greatest Youtube viral of all time.

Still, kudos to him for not instagramming that shiat.
 
2013-04-24 04:32:47 PM

JustGetItRight: dittybopper: If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Troll post or not, he actually could have.  A shotgun with buckshot would have probably been sufficient.


Not a troll, and yeah, it was an easy shot.  Though I'm a rifle guy, so I think in terms of rifles.  I've only owned a single shotgun in my life.  Don't much care for them.
 
2013-04-24 04:35:17 PM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Very dramatic.
 
2013-04-24 04:37:43 PM

Aarontology: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

After he was gunned down by the cops, of course.


Nah.  They wouldn't know what happened until it was over.  They would have been focused on the targets to pretty much the exclusion of everything else, and with all the gunfire, it's probable that they wouldn't even notice, especially if the person didn't do something dumb like stick the muzzle of the gun out of the window.  Remember that the police are down the street to the right:  They can't see into that window at all.
 
2013-04-24 04:42:43 PM
First thing I would have done was run to my dresser for a new pair of underwear.

Then when the bomb went off, I would have to run to the dresser again.

Then, and only then, would I run to the back of the house and cower in the corner like a beat puppy.
 
2013-04-24 04:42:54 PM

PoweredByIrony: Watching this guy giving his Skype interviews in the immediate aftermath of the firefight was amazing. Not because of the coverage, but because he felt comfortable sitting in his room talking to the media while behind him on the street were (according to him) three backpacks and a car being examined by a bomb disposal robot. Three backpacks and a car full of an unknown amount of explosives. But he didn't feel comfortable OPENING THE WINDOW to give the reporters a better view. THAT would have been dangerous.

People don't understand things that go boom.



CSB - I was driving home one day with my wife and we drove right next to the SWAT team surrounding a house.  They were crouched behind trees, behind parked police cars holding assault rifles, wearing body armor and the whole bit.  We were seriously like 5 feet away tops (I still wonder WTF they didn't block the street off) from a female cop with a rifle crouched behind the tree.  Anyway, as we roll by, my wife rolls her window up.  Because you know, that's gonna help.  After teasing her, she saw the ridiculousness.  /CSB

TLDR - Sometimes in the moment, you don't think about things as clearly as you would otherwise.
 
2013-04-24 04:45:34 PM

katerbug72: airsupport: Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.

The photo of his body tells another story. He looks run over to me.


I didn't see the photo, and I haven't read the unsealed indictment, but the Commish mentioned in a radio interview (not that he was there or will always tell the truth) that the older brother ran out of ammo and charged the officers.  One of the officers lowered his weapon and engaged in a fight.  As this was going on, the younger brother jumped in the car and sped toward them.  2 other officers jumped in, no one could hear anything because of the bomb explosion.  At the last minute they jumped out of the way leaving Suspect #1 to get run over.

Either way, Bro #1 had already been shot a few times - I'm waiting for a report to discuss how much PCP the brothers were on that whole time.
 
2013-04-24 04:46:43 PM

dittybopper: Dimensio: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

I own a rifle. If such a situation occurred outside of my residence, I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.

Let's think about that for a minute.

There is an on-going firefight.  You have the capability to end it quickly, and the element of surprise.  Because of something called "target fixation", it is extremely unlikely that either the criminals or the police are even going to notice your first shot.  You are approximately 20 or at most 30 yards from the criminals, which is an easy shot with a rifle.

So, alternative 1:  You wait it out.  Meanwhile, bullets are flying, and they are coming into your home:

[www.lawofficer.com image 351x468]

You're rolling the dice.  Will you get hit?  Probably not, the odds are in your favor.  But what if someone else does?

Option 2:  Shoot them.  By the time the surviving person figures out you are shooting at them, you've probably already got him in your crosshairs and are pulling the trigger.   Remember that you have the element of surprise here, so unless you're such a major fark-up that you can't hit a person in the chest with a deer rifle at 25 yards (which, if you can't, you shouldn't be deer hunting anyway), you're going to kill at least one of them before either knows what happened.

Once you've got them, you stop shooting, unload and safe the gun, and let the police know what happened.

Generally, if you shoot people who are shooting at the police, they don't get too mad at you.  At least, I've never heard of someone being charged for shooting someone who was shooting at the police, and yes, armed civilians have done that a number of times.


Two problems would confound that decision:

1) I am clumsy.

2) At the time of night that the shootout occurred, I am usually drunk.
 
2013-04-24 04:49:22 PM

dittybopper: I_Am_Weasel: Yes, law enforcement should be encouraging random citizens to involve themselves in police shootouts.  Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.

Actually, here is a list of armed civilians who came to the aid of police officers.


From the link.  This guy shoots to the top of the Darwin candidates....

The Valley Daily News, Renton, WA
The armed man who intended to rob a Renton, Wash., gunshop should have been forewarned by the police cruiser he had to walk past to enter the store, and the uniformed officer standing just inside the door. Belatedly noticing the policeman, the would-be robber began shooting at him. The officer and a store clerk armed with a semi-auto pistol returned fire, fatally wounding the man.
 
2013-04-24 04:55:05 PM

Nana's Vibrator: katerbug72: airsupport: Early news reports suggested that Junior Bomberman actually ran over Bomberman while trying to escape.

I guess they've discounted that.

The photo of his body tells another story. He looks run over to me.

I didn't see the photo, and I haven't read the unsealed indictment, but the Commish mentioned in a radio interview (not that he was there or will always tell the truth) that the older brother ran out of ammo and charged the officers.  One of the officers lowered his weapon and engaged in a fight.  As this was going on, the younger brother jumped in the car and sped toward them.  2 other officers jumped in, no one could hear anything because of the bomb explosion.  At the last minute they jumped out of the way leaving Suspect #1 to get run over.


I have no doubt he was run over, but I find this hard to believe.   Charging a cop after a firefight is a sure way to get shot, doubt he lowered his weapon.  Also, if the bomb was a diversion for escape, why weren't both brothers in the SUV?   - actually, knowing they are both batshiat crazy, maybe anything is possible.
 
2013-04-24 04:55:05 PM

ZackDanger: (Last picture is of the younger brother "charging" the cops with the SUV while they try to handcuff the older brother on the ground.)


He was charging them with his brake lights on?
 
2013-04-24 04:55:22 PM

dittybopper: Remember that the police are down the street to the right:  They can't see into that window at all.


Depending on the gun, they could have seen the muzzle blast.
Being that its spitting range for any rifle, it wouldn't take long for them to realize the suspects were down.

/I agree that they probably wouldn't be angry so much as confused and rightfully cautious.
/You're up for a long night of questioning at any rate.
 
2013-04-24 04:55:25 PM
dittybopper:

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.


They want a monopoly on violence, they want to be in control. I say let them have their firefight.  Similarly, the younger one was found by a citizen checking his boat AFTER the order to remain in his house was lifted.  The police are large and in charge, they don't need our help.
 
2013-04-24 05:02:32 PM

xiola: I have no doubt he was run over, but I find this hard to believe.   Charging a cop after a firefight is a sure way to get shot, doubt he lowered his weapon.  Also, if the bomb was a diversion for escape, why weren't both brothers in the SUV?   - actually, knowing they are both batshiat crazy, maybe anything is possible.


Maybe the older brother was wounded, and decided that going to meet Allah would allow his brother to escape:  Police *HAVE* to focus on the closer threat.  Maybe he wasn't even wounded at that point and still made that decision.  Who knows?  Only clues we have will be what the younger brother says.
 
2013-04-24 05:11:25 PM
Why did the younger brother drive toward the cops, why not away, down the street?  Was it a dead end (no pun intended)?
 
2013-04-24 05:11:42 PM

dittybopper: JustGetItRight: dittybopper: If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Troll post or not, he actually could have.  A shotgun with buckshot would have probably been sufficient.

Not a troll, and yeah, it was an easy shot.  Though I'm a rifle guy, so I think in terms of rifles.  I've only owned a single shotgun in my life.  Don't much care for them.


I grew up hunting small game, so I've got an affinity for the scatter gun but It really would have been an easy shot for any kind of long gun.  They're right there and totally oblivious to anything other than the cops engaging them.  I'd bet the one surviving the first shot wouldn't even have looked to the side.  He'd have thought the round came from the cops down the street.  The cops probably would have too.

Can you imagine how marvelous the threads would be if an armed civilian had taken them out?

vudukungfu: JustGetItRight: A shotgun with buckshot would have probably been sufficient.

Poetic, at the least.


Why?  Because of Biden's comments?  The fact that their range and positioning are sufficient for a shotgun with a tight choke (not one of the short-range home defense ones) is merely an observation.  A rifle would have still been a better choice.
 
2013-04-24 05:13:21 PM

way south: dittybopper: Remember that the police are down the street to the right:  They can't see into that window at all.

Depending on the gun, they could have seen the muzzle blast.
Being that its spitting range for any rifle, it wouldn't take long for them to realize the suspects were down.

/I agree that they probably wouldn't be angry so much as confused and rightfully cautious.
/You're up for a long night of questioning at any rate.


Yeah, but it will be *FRIENDLY* questioning.   They'll have plenty of coffee, donuts, and congratulatory back-slapping for him from the rank and file, even if the bosses are all "Thank you for saving our officers, but don't do it again".

Looking at the picture, it's almost the perfect set-up:

www.lawofficer.com

They can't take cover without exposing themselves to the gunfire of the police.  It would be a classic "L" shaped ambush, no where safe to run.

Oh, and I measured it in Google Earth, and the horizontal distance is more like 15 or 16 yards.
 
2013-04-24 05:14:17 PM

dittybopper: They can't see into that window at all.


You or I with a mod. 94 winchester 30 30, could hit them one shot kill. and it would be over fast.
I would worry about anyone who owns a AR15.
Seriously, I can see some spay and pray idiot missing the hell out of anything but the cops.
 
2013-04-24 05:15:02 PM
Those pictures are blurry and it's hard to see what's going on. What magic commands do I type to get them to enhance and become razor sharp? I haz photoshop so I'm sure it can be done.
 
2013-04-24 05:21:02 PM

Phins: Those pictures are blurry and it's hard to see what's going on. What magic commands do I type to get them to enhance and become razor sharp? I haz photoshop so I'm sure it can be done.


questgamingnetwork.mymiddleearth.com
 
2013-04-24 05:21:25 PM

Dimensio: Two problems would confound that decision:

1) I am clumsy.

2) At the time of night that the shootout occurred, I am usually drunk.


Well, you can work around item (1) but item (2) is definitely going to be a problem.

If I found myself in that situation, my first thought would be to get my wife and daughter to as safe a place as possible.  If they aren't in the picture, I'm with dittybopper.   Take the shot(s) and end it.
 
2013-04-24 05:22:32 PM

dittybopper: way south: dittybopper: Remember that the police are down the street to the right:  They can't see into that window at all.

Depending on the gun, they could have seen the muzzle blast.
Being that its spitting range for any rifle, it wouldn't take long for them to realize the suspects were down.

/I agree that they probably wouldn't be angry so much as confused and rightfully cautious.
/You're up for a long night of questioning at any rate.

Yeah, but it will be *FRIENDLY* questioning.   They'll have plenty of coffee, donuts, and congratulatory back-slapping for him from the rank and file, even if the bosses are all "Thank you for saving our officers, but don't do it again".

Looking at the picture, it's almost the perfect set-up:

[www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

They can't take cover without exposing themselves to the gunfire of the police.  It would be a classic "L" shaped ambush, no where safe to run.

Oh, and I measured it in Google Earth, and the horizontal distance is more like 15 or 16 yards.


You'd better be damned sure you aren't shooting undercover policemen, though. Not all cops drive cars with flashy light-bars on top or wear uniforms. It's a good bet if they're shooting at people in cop cars that you're good to go, but if you just look out your window and see that scene: you really don't have enough information to go on.
 
2013-04-24 05:22:35 PM
Sure, in an ongoing firefight while you yourself are ducking rifle fire. So, you take an adrenaline pumped panicky shot and miss or cause a non disabling wound. They fire back and probably throw that bomb into YOUR house.

It's as stupid as all the NRA assholes that thought they could take the Batman shooter down.
 
2013-04-24 05:24:54 PM

Phins: Those pictures are blurry and it's hard to see what's going on. What magic commands do I type to get them to enhance and become razor sharp? I haz photoshop so I'm sure it can be done.


i34.tinypic.com

That's about all I got for ya, chief.
 
2013-04-24 05:25:26 PM

Travis_Bickle: It's as stupid as all the NRA assholes that thought they could take the Batman shooter down.


Batman got shot?
 
2013-04-24 05:32:15 PM

JustGetItRight: Take the shot(s) and end it.


Good thing the carjacking victim got away.
 
2013-04-24 05:34:22 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Travis_Bickle: It's as stupid as all the NRA assholes that thought they could take the Batman shooter down.

Batman got shot?


By Robin.

b.vimeocdn.com

What's everyone looking at?
 
2013-04-24 05:35:18 PM
The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?
 
2013-04-24 05:37:24 PM

This text is now purple: ZackDanger: (Last picture is of the younger brother "charging" the cops with the SUV while they try to handcuff the older brother on the ground.)

He was charging them with his brake lights on?


Tail lights, not brake lights. If the breaks were depressed, the center brake light would be illuminated too.

Plus, it's know Bomber Jr charged the barricade, got through, and ran over his brother in the process, so what makes you think in this picture he'd driven down the street toward the cops, then...hit is brakes?
 
2013-04-24 05:39:33 PM

Cork on Fork: The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?


Able? Probably. Organized? Given the circumstances, clearly not.

/gotta love Monday-morning quaterbacking
 
2013-04-24 05:39:59 PM

Phins: Those pictures are blurry and it's hard to see what's going on. What magic commands do I type to get them to enhance and become razor sharp? I haz photoshop so I'm sure it can be done.


"Zoom" and then "Enhance".  If you enter them in the wrong order your computer will explode.
 
2013-04-24 05:40:42 PM

Dimensio: At the time of night that the shootout occurred, I am usually drunk.


I was just going to offer that, if it were me, I could have started hurling empty bottles at him.
 
2013-04-24 05:42:34 PM

Dimensio: PoweredByIrony: Watching this guy giving his Skype interviews in the immediate aftermath of the firefight was amazing.  Not because of the coverage, but because he felt comfortable sitting in his room talking to the media while behind him on the street were (according to him) three backpacks and a car being examined by a bomb disposal robot.  Three backpacks and a car full of an unknown amount of explosives.  But he didn't feel comfortable OPENING THE WINDOW to give the reporters a better view.  THAT would have been dangerous.

People don't understand things that go boom.

You are correct.

When a potentially explosive device is present outside of a home, occupants of the home should open all windows, to prevent glass from being blown into the home should the device detonate.


That's what they taught us in high school when we went to away football games in sketchy areas. Windows down, helmets on. Broken glass is a bigger threat than whatever the hoodlums might throw at you.
 
2013-04-24 05:44:38 PM

Travis_Bickle: Sure, in an ongoing firefight while you yourself are ducking rifle fire. So, you take an adrenaline pumped panicky shot and miss or cause a non disabling wound. They fire back and probably throw that bomb into YOUR house.

It's as stupid as all the NRA assholes that thought they could take the Batman shooter down.


Except he isn't ducking rifle fire and they aren't even aware he's watching.  This was a very, very different situation than the theater.  As someone else said, this is the perfect ambush against untrained and inexperienced foes.  They would have never have thought to look to the side or up until it was too late.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: JustGetItRight: Take the shot(s) and end it.

Good thing the carjacking victim got away.


Sure is.  You'll note that the two people in the picture are shooting at and throwing explosives at the police.  It is therefore more than reasonable to assume that they're the farking bad guys.  You'll also note the cops were furiously firing at the farking bad guys, again making it reasonable to assume innocents are clear.  Along those same lines, who's more likely to hit an innocent?  The cops firing from way down the street, on the same level as the farking bad guys, and under fire themselves or the guy who's in an elevated position, completely unobserved, and able to take shot with a weapon steadied on a window sill or similar support.
 
2013-04-24 05:47:52 PM

100 Watt Walrus: Cork on Fork: The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?

Able? Probably. Organized? Given the circumstances, clearly not.

/gotta love Monday-morning quaterbacking


I'm not Monday-morning quarterbacking; I was genuinely curious about the situation and how spread out all the cops were. I don't know the size of the area they were trying to control.
 
2013-04-24 05:49:06 PM

dittybopper: I_Am_Weasel: Yes, law enforcement should be encouraging random citizens to involve themselves in police shootouts.  Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.

Actually, here is a list of armed civilians who came to the aid of police officers.


FYFA:
 ...a right-to-carry permit holder, pulled over and grabbed his .40 cal. pistol and went to the aid of the officer. The two held the men until backup arrived. The driver of the vehicle was driving with a suspended license and a gun was found in the rear of the vehicle

...armed citizen Michael Acree stood ready to lend a hand when a police officer stopped a carload of unruly teenagers outside his Salem, Connecticut, home.



What the heck, ditty?  You used to be cool.  These are examples of people looking for trouble because they're CCW'ing.  A suspended license and unruly teenagers?  Seriously?
 
2013-04-24 05:49:44 PM

vudukungfu: dittybopper: They can't see into that window at all.

You or I with a mod. 94 winchester 30 30, could hit them one shot kill. and it would be over fast.
I would worry about anyone who owns a AR15.
Seriously, I can see some spay and pray idiot missing the hell out of anything but the cops.


Meh.  I've owned a Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II, a Norinco AKM, and a Norinco SKS.  Any one of them would have been appropriate.

AR-15's are ubiquitous, they are the most popular rifle in America.  Don't judge.  Embrace the diversity.
 
2013-04-24 05:52:17 PM

Whiskey Dickens: What the heck, ditty?  You used to be cool.


When was that?  I don't recall being cool.  I've always been just ditty.

And I'm not necessarily endorsing everything in that link, just pointing out that the idea that something bad *HAS* to happen when an armed civilian helps the police is wrong.
 
2013-04-24 05:54:20 PM
100 Watt Walrus:

/gotta love Monday-morning quaterbacking

Also, see:

ques·tion  [kwes-chuhn]
noun
1. a sentence in an interrogative form, addressed to someone in order to get information in reply.
 
2013-04-24 05:58:44 PM

Travis_Bickle: Sure, in an ongoing firefight while you yourself are ducking rifle fire.


You're not ducking rifle fire.  No one is shooting in your direction.

So, you take an adrenaline pumped panicky shot and miss or cause a non disabling wound.

You've got all the time in the World to take the shot.  No one is shooting at you.  You can rest the rifle, and it's only 15 yards. Anyone with experience hunting, or in shooting competitions could easily take the shot.

 They fire back and probably throw that bomb into YOUR house.

How are they going to do that without exposing themselves to police fire?

It's as stupid as all the NRA assholes that thought they could take the Batman shooter down.

Why the hate?  This is actually a situation where someone could have taken action and stopped them quickly, and they have the all the advantages.
 
2013-04-24 05:59:26 PM

Cork on Fork: The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?




That's the last thing you would ever want to do in a firefight. If more cops came up behind them, the cops would be shooting each other behind the perps. You always flank from the side, you never trap the target in the middle.
 
2013-04-24 06:05:07 PM

dittybopper: Dimensio: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

I own a rifle. If such a situation occurred outside of my residence, I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.

Let's think about that for a minute.

There is an on-going firefight.  You have the capability to end it quickly, and the element of surprise.  Because of something called "target fixation", it is extremely unlikely that either the criminals or the police are even going to notice your first shot.  You are approximately 20 or at most 30 yards from the criminals, which is an easy shot with a rifle.

So, alternative 1:  You wait it out.  Meanwhile, bullets are flying, and they are coming into your home:

[www.lawofficer.com image 351x468]

You're rolling the dice.  Will you get hit?  Probably not, the odds are in your favor.  But what if someone else does?

Option 2:  Shoot them.  By the time the surviving person figures out you are shooting at them, you've probably already got him in your crosshairs and are pulling the trigger.   Remember that you have the element of surprise here, so unless you're such a major fark-up that you can't hit a person in the chest with a deer rifle at 25 yards (which, if you can't, you shouldn't be deer hunting anyway), you're going to kill at least one of them before either knows what happened.

Once you've got them, you stop shooting, unload and safe the gun, and let the police know what happened.

Generally, if you shoot people who are shooting at the police, they don't get too mad at you.  At least, I've never heard of someone being charged for shooting someone who was shooting at the police, and yes, armed civilians have done that a number of times.


Remember also that in this scenario you're an ex-SEAL Marine Core soldier with sniper training.
 
2013-04-24 06:07:18 PM

Alonjar: Cork on Fork: The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?



That's the last thing you would ever want to do in a firefight. If more cops came up behind them, the cops would be shooting each other behind the perps. You always flank from the side, you never trap the target in the middle.


Got it. That actually makes good sense. Thanks.
 
2013-04-24 06:14:32 PM

xiola: Should have switched to video recording and had the greatest Youtube viral of all time.

Still, kudos to him for not instagramming that shiat.


He would have held the phone the wrong way.
 
2013-04-24 06:15:10 PM

JustGetItRight: Along those same lines, who's more likely to hit an innocent?


Are we talking about the "gun safety instructors" with the accidental discharges or this guy?

2.bp.blogspot.com

Hindsight's 20/20. Hell, who's to say Tamerlan didn't consider taking his daughter with him? YOU of course are a veteran SWAT sniper but if we can't trust Chris Kyle's judgment why should we trust Floyd R. Turbo's?
 
2013-04-24 06:21:50 PM

dittybopper: Dimensio: dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

I own a rifle. If such a situation occurred outside of my residence, I would seek cover in a location least likely to suffer an errant strike from a misaimed bullet.

Let's think about that for a minute.

There is an on-going firefight.  You have the capability to end it quickly, and the element of surprise.  Because of something called "target fixation", it is extremely unlikely that either the criminals or the police are even going to notice your first shot.  You are approximately 20 or at most 30 yards from the criminals, which is an easy shot with a rifle.

So, alternative 1:  You wait it out.  Meanwhile, bullets are flying, and they are coming into your home:

[www.lawofficer.com image 351x468]

You're rolling the dice.  Will you get hit?  Probably not, the odds are in your favor.  But what if someone else does?

Option 2:  Shoot them.  By the time the surviving person figures out you are shooting at them, you've probably already got him in your crosshairs and are pulling the trigger.   Remember that you have the element of surprise here, so unless you're such a major fark-up that you can't hit a person in the chest with a deer rifle at 25 yards (which, if you can't, you shouldn't be deer hunting anyway), you're going to kill at least one of them before either knows what happened.

Once you've got them, you stop shooting, unload and safe the gun, and let the police know what happened.

Generally, if you shoot people who are shooting at the police, they don't get too mad at you.  At least, I've never heard of someone being charged for shooting someone who was shooting at the police, and yes, armed civilians have done that a number of times.


All well and good...unless the terrorists had stolen police uniforms, and you end up killing the two undercover cops who'd just flushed them out...

/gun owner myself
//just saying
///make DAMN sure of your target
 
2013-04-24 06:23:38 PM
Very interesting that none of the cops tried to flank them. The battle lasted around 10 minutes, that should've been enough time to move through backyards to move around them. Although, when you're getting shot at and grenades thrown at you, I assume the last thing you want to do is move from cover.
 
2013-04-24 06:25:04 PM

JNowe: dittybopper:

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.

They want a monopoly on violence, they want to be in control. I say let them have their firefight.  Similarly, the younger one was found by a citizen checking his boat AFTER the order to remain in his house was lifted.  The police are large and in charge, they don't need our help.


A monopoly on violence?  Odd, they've given me every high-capacity gun permit I've ever asked for, in four different towns now.

They must be doing it wrong.
 
2013-04-24 06:26:04 PM

Frozboz: Why did the younger brother drive toward the cops, why not away, down the street?  Was it a dead end (no pun intended)?


Looping back to get his brother, would be my bet.
 
2013-04-24 06:27:29 PM

dittybopper: Yeah, but it will be *FRIENDLY* questioning.   They'll have plenty of coffee, donuts, and congratulatory back-slapping for him from the rank and file, even if the bosses are all "Thank you for saving our officers, but don't do it again".


I've seen that before, actually:
brantleypalmer.files.wordpress.com

\well, more or less, anyways
 
2013-04-24 06:30:34 PM

FriarReb98: dittybopper: Yeah, but it will be *FRIENDLY* questioning.   They'll have plenty of coffee, donuts, and congratulatory back-slapping for him from the rank and file, even if the bosses are all "Thank you for saving our officers, but don't do it again".

I've seen that before, actually:
[brantleypalmer.files.wordpress.com image 445x342]

\well, more or less, anyways


Not in our neighborhood, man. A hundred percent Irish. No one talks to cops. Period.
 
2013-04-24 06:36:24 PM

bearcats1983: Very interesting that none of the cops tried to flank them. The battle lasted around 10 minutes, that should've been enough time to move through backyards to move around them. Although, when you're getting shot at and grenades thrown at you, I assume the last thing you want to do is move from cover.


Or draw fire to the homes of private citizens?
 
2013-04-24 06:37:57 PM

vudukungfu: dittybopper: They can't see into that window at all.

You or I with a mod. 94 winchester 30 30, could hit them one shot kill. and it would be over fast.
I would worry about anyone who owns a AR15.
Seriously, I can see some spay and pray idiot missing the hell out of anything but the cops.


I think if you check the stats, you'll find far more moron hunters killing cows and family pets they thought were deer...and each other...with 30-30s than you'll find spray-and-pray AR15 guys.   Of course, no weapon is idiot-proof.

/your "spay" and pray was pretty funny, though :)
 
2013-04-24 06:47:20 PM

dittybopper: [www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

If he'd had a rifle instead of an iPhone, he could have ended it right then and there.

Probably would have gotten a medal from the police, even in anti-gun Massachusetts.



I've wondered if I'd do something like that in that situation.  It would have been pretty tempting to poke my Mini-14 out the window and unleash a few shots...looks like they were easy targets from that vantage point.  I may have even called 911 first so they could alert the police.
 
2013-04-24 06:49:31 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: bearcats1983: Very interesting that none of the cops tried to flank them. The battle lasted around 10 minutes, that should've been enough time to move through backyards to move around them. Although, when you're getting shot at and grenades thrown at you, I assume the last thing you want to do is move from cover.

Or draw fire to the homes of private citizens?


By the looks of it, homes were shot up already. Probably a legit concern though.
 
2013-04-24 06:55:21 PM
If I were in that position, I had confirmation that the guys outside were on the evil side of the firefight, and I had a solid understanding of firearm tactics and the skill and accuracy to execute them, I like think I'd have done what ITGs assume they would have done.  Otherwise I'd be hauling ass to the back of the building or the basement.

It all goes back to "well-regulated".  I'd trust somebody with military training to take the shot.  I would not trust some jackoff with a $99 Wal-Mart rifle and more hours logged in Call of Duty than at the range to do it.
 
2013-04-24 07:11:43 PM
This is the same guy whose twitter feed we were all following last Thursday night. It was pretty crazy seeing this stuff unfold, almost live.
 
2013-04-24 07:16:16 PM
From the comments on that site:

A lost opportunity... if you had been armed like all good American men should be, you could have ended this on the spot with a couple of whiffs of buckshot from a pump shotgun.
Posted by John Skookum on April 24, 2013
You farkers are funny!
 
2013-04-24 07:20:34 PM
Zoomed wayyyy in:

i37.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-24 07:25:17 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: dittybopper: way south: dittybopper: Remember that the police are down the street to the right:  They can't see into that window at all.

Depending on the gun, they could have seen the muzzle blast.
Being that its spitting range for any rifle, it wouldn't take long for them to realize the suspects were down.

/I agree that they probably wouldn't be angry so much as confused and rightfully cautious.
/You're up for a long night of questioning at any rate.

Yeah, but it will be *FRIENDLY* questioning.   They'll have plenty of coffee, donuts, and congratulatory back-slapping for him from the rank and file, even if the bosses are all "Thank you for saving our officers, but don't do it again".

Looking at the picture, it's almost the perfect set-up:

[www.lawofficer.com image 594x448]

They can't take cover without exposing themselves to the gunfire of the police.  It would be a classic "L" shaped ambush, no where safe to run.

Oh, and I measured it in Google Earth, and the horizontal distance is more like 15 or 16 yards.

You'd better be damned sure you aren't shooting undercover policemen, though. Not all cops drive cars with flashy light-bars on top or wear uniforms. It's a good bet if they're shooting at people in cop cars that you're good to go, but if you just look out your window and see that scene: you really don't have enough information to go on.


Right. The guys with the suv and civic shooting at and throwing bombs towards the guys with cop cars could actually be the real cops.
 
2013-04-24 07:29:42 PM

dittybopper: vudukungfu: dittybopper: They can't see into that window at all.

You or I with a mod. 94 winchester 30 30, could hit them one shot kill. and it would be over fast.
I would worry about anyone who owns a AR15.
Seriously, I can see some spay and pray idiot missing the hell out of anything but the cops.

Meh.  I've owned a Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II, a Norinco AKM, and a Norinco SKS.  Any one of them would have been appropriate.

AR-15's are ubiquitous, they are the most popular rifle in America.  Don't judge.  Embrace the diversity.


Heh. Norinco SKS... At 15 yards you might actually hit them. I might throw a shoe or deploy the bayonette instead.
 
2013-04-24 07:32:06 PM

This text is now purple: ZackDanger: (Last picture is of the younger brother "charging" the cops with the SUV while they try to handcuff the older brother on the ground.)

He was charging them with his brake lights on?


Maybe he drives with both feet.

/I *HATE* people who drive with both feet.
 
2013-04-24 07:41:39 PM

poot_rootbeer: If I were in that position, I had confirmation that the guys outside were on the evil side of the firefight, and I had a solid understanding of firearm tactics and the skill and accuracy to execute them, I like think I'd have done what ITGs assume they would have done.  Otherwise I'd be hauling ass to the back of the building or the basement.

It all goes back to "well-regulated".  I'd trust somebody with military training to take the shot.  I would not trust some jackoff with a $99 Wal-Mart rifle and more hours logged in Call of Duty than at the range to do it.


I don't know if I'm an ITG, but I've put in enough time at ranges and private target shoots to know what I can and cannot hit.  Having the tool for the job and a clean shot, I'd feel very guilty if I ran away and an innocent person got killed.
 
2013-04-24 07:52:19 PM
runescorpio
Heh. Norinco SKS... At 15 yards you might actually hit them. I might throw a shoe or deploy the bayonette instead.

I can make head shots at 100 yards with mine, sorry you're such a bad shot.

and can't spell "bayonet" either
 
2013-04-24 08:11:33 PM
Sure are going to a lot of trouble to fake so any pictures while they frame this guy.


/or so his dad has probably said already
 
2013-04-24 08:25:51 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I'm waiting for a report to discuss how much PCP the brothers were on that whole time.


Hah.

Now thats how you gunfight.

/tampons for large caliber wounds
//cigarette butts for small caliber wounds
 
2013-04-24 08:30:39 PM

Frantic Freddie: runescorpio
Heh. Norinco SKS... At 15 yards you might actually hit them. I might throw a shoe or deploy the bayonette instead.

I can make head shots at 100 yards with mine, sorry you're such a bad shot.

and can't spell "bayonet" either


Yeah, I used to bullseye womp rats back home.
 
2013-04-24 09:05:39 PM
It still kind of amazes me that the younger brother, while cornered still managed to charge the barricade made by the cop cars, break through it and disappear.  That is some action movie shiat right there.
 
2013-04-24 09:36:13 PM

dittybopper: Travis_Bickle: Sure, in an ongoing firefight while you yourself are ducking rifle fire.

You're not ducking rifle fire.  No one is shooting in your direction.

So, you take an adrenaline pumped panicky shot and miss or cause a non disabling wound.

You've got all the time in the World to take the shot.  No one is shooting at you.  You can rest the rifle, and it's only 15 yards. Anyone with experience hunting, or in shooting competitions could easily take the shot.

 They fire back and probably throw that bomb into YOUR house.

How are they going to do that without exposing themselves to police fire?

It's as stupid as all the NRA assholes that thought they could take the Batman shooter down.

Why the hate?  This is actually a situation where someone could have taken action and stopped them quickly, and they have the all the advantages.


Because you're calmly and rationally assaulting one of the Left's Sacred Truths:  that armed civilians will always fark up.
 
2013-04-24 10:28:24 PM

propasaurus: Remember also that in this scenario you're an ex-SEAL Marine Core soldier with sniper training.


To make a 15 yard shot at a target that doesn't even know you're there?

*IF* I had the presence of mind to do it (and who knows, I may not have), I could make that shot with my flintlock.
 
2013-04-24 10:29:46 PM

Frantic Freddie: runescorpio
Heh. Norinco SKS... At 15 yards you might actually hit them. I might throw a shoe or deploy the bayonette instead.

I can make head shots at 100 yards with mine, sorry you're such a bad shot.

and can't spell "bayonet" either


SKS is actually a fairly accurate action.  Certainly more inherently accurate than the AK.
 
2013-04-24 10:32:00 PM

poot_rootbeer: I'd trust somebody with military training to take the shot.  I would not trust some jackoff with a $99 Wal-Mart rifle and more hours logged in Call of Duty than at the range to do it.


Those two aren't mutually exclusive.
 
2013-04-24 10:37:05 PM

dittybopper: propasaurus: Remember also that in this scenario you're an ex-SEAL Marine Core soldier with sniper training.

To make a 15 yard shot at a target that doesn't even know you're there?

*IF* I had the presence of mind to do it (and who knows, I may not have), I could make that shot with my flintlock.


You'd bop your ditty at the first car backfire, tough guy.
 
2013-04-24 11:38:26 PM

YodaBlues: HAMMERTOE: "Well, first there were two grainy, amorphous blobs. Then, an appendage appeared to protrude from blob #1 and there was a popping noise. Blob #2 flattened longitudinally for a few seconds, then sprouted a protrusion of its own and there were several more popping noises. Blob #1 approached blob #2 at an increased rate of speed, after somebody tossed a smoke grenade..."

Are you quoting a Rosie O'Donnell fanfic?


This made me laugh so hard, my wife thought I was having some sort of seizure. I think this joke broke my brain, or something.

Bravo, good sir.
 
2013-04-25 02:30:50 AM

Cork on Fork: 100 Watt Walrus: Cork on Fork: The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?

Able? Probably. Organized? Given the circumstances, clearly not.

/gotta love Monday-morning quaterbacking

I'm not Monday-morning quarterbacking; I was genuinely curious about the situation and how spread out all the cops were. I don't know the size of the area they were trying to control.


My apologies. Misinterpreted the tone. Valid question misunderstood as snark. I blame Fark for being so Farky.
 
2013-04-25 04:39:23 AM

Cork on Fork: The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?


There were, during the shootout, 5-7 officers on scene.  I don't know about you, but I'm not "coming up from the opposite direction" when one person is shooting, let alone seven.  If I heard radio traffic of a co-worker in a shootout, I'd try to come up from the sides and flank the suspect to form a combat L.  I certainly wouldn't come up from the back and put myself in the line of friendly fire.
 
2013-04-25 07:16:42 AM

propasaurus: dittybopper: propasaurus: Remember also that in this scenario you're an ex-SEAL Marine Core soldier with sniper training.

To make a 15 yard shot at a target that doesn't even know you're there?

*IF* I had the presence of mind to do it (and who knows, I may not have), I could make that shot with my flintlock.

You'd bop your ditty at the first car backfire, tough guy.


1. Do you even know what a dittybopper is?

2. I've never claimed to be a tough guy.  In fact, I'm quite milquetoasty.
 
2013-04-25 07:34:07 AM

propasaurus: dittybopper: propasaurus: Remember also that in this scenario you're an ex-SEAL Marine Core soldier with sniper training.

To make a 15 yard shot at a target that doesn't even know you're there?

*IF* I had the presence of mind to do it (and who knows, I may not have), I could make that shot with my flintlock.

You'd bop your ditty at the first car backfire, tough guy.


Just to expand upon this, even though I am far from a tough guy, this is what I am:

1. Avid hunter, and have been for over 30 years.  In fact, over a decade ago, I switched from using a scoped bolt action .30'06 to using a flintlock, because it was just too damned easy to take 100 to 150 yard shots on deer.  Similarly, I switched from using a compound bow to using a longbow.  My father made both the gun and the bow I now use.  I make the arrows.

2. Competitive shooter.  I participate in "primitive biathlons", where you run through the woods wearing snowshoes, carrying a muzzleloader, and you shoot at steel targets.  The event is timed, and a hit on a target subtracts time from your score.  Those targets are much smaller and much farther away than would be the case here, and you can't use a rest, you must shoot "off hand" which is the least accurate way to shoot.

3. Ex-US Army.  I spent 4 years in the US Army.  Granted, it was in a non-combat position, so I'm not going to claim I have L33t tactical skillz, but there is a certain minimum amount of training everyone gets in Basic, and that is reinforced by required annual qualifications both at the range and for "common tasks".
 
2013-04-25 07:37:49 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Cork on Fork: The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?

There were, during the shootout, 5-7 officers on scene.  I don't know about you, but I'm not "coming up from the opposite direction" when one person is shooting, let alone seven.  If I heard radio traffic of a co-worker in a shootout, I'd try to come up from the sides and flank the suspect to form a combat L.  I certainly wouldn't come up from the back and put myself in the line of friendly fire.


Yeah, there is actually a technical name for something like that:  Circular Firing Squad.

You see it a lot in movies.  Perhaps the best example is in Total Recall.
 
2013-04-25 08:11:58 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Yes, law enforcement should be encouraging random citizens to involve themselves in police shootouts. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.


I was installing a camera system in a Burger King that was on a 4 lane main road. I was outside getting something from my van when a car screeched to a stop in the intersection directly across from me. About 12 cop cars were behind this guy, and instantly there are about 20 cops all with guns drawn, pointed at the vehicle. There were 4 men in the car, and the cops were ordering them out one at a time. They had two of them out, with their hands on their heads, facing away fro them, and had ordered one guy to start walking backwards to them, as they were all behind the doors of their vehicles. That's when I remembered I had some really loud firecrackers in my van. I thought it might be amusing to light a string of blackcats off to see what would happen. But then I thought what if the police put 6 or 800 bullets into the guy. They might get a little pissy about having to write those reports, so I didn't do it.
 
2013-04-25 08:23:22 AM

Phins: Those pictures are blurry and it's hard to see what's going on. What magic commands do I type to get them to enhance and become razor sharp? I haz photoshop so I'm sure it can be done.

 
2013-04-25 08:57:19 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Cork on Fork: The first photo is more than 4 minutes before the one of the SUV charging the officers. In all that time, with all the officers out looking for these guys, there were no cops able to come up from the opposite direction?

There were, during the shootout, 5-7 officers on scene.  I don't know about you, but I'm not "coming up from the opposite direction" when one person is shooting, let alone seven.  If I heard radio traffic of a co-worker in a shootout, I'd try to come up from the sides and flank the suspect to form a combat L.  I certainly wouldn't come up from the back and put myself in the line of friendly fire.


Yeah, it makes perfect sense once someone said it. I'm sure this part of the chase will be studied to see what, if anything, could have been done to prevent the second guy from getting away. Maybe something as simple as spike strips on either end of the street. And while I'm picturing a million cops ready to respond, I don't know how many leads they were running down at the same time (once the pictures went out I heard there were thousands of phone calls). I guess it really was a kind of unprecedented situation.
 
2013-04-25 10:30:21 AM

Igor Jakovsky: It still kind of amazes me that the younger brother, while cornered still managed to charge the barricade made by the cop cars, break through it and disappear.  That is some action movie shiat right there.


It's probably why he did it too.

Both brothers decided that they wanted to play action hero and sadly people got killed.

Keep your killing sprees to the xbox.
 
2013-04-25 02:57:40 PM

Travis_Bickle: Sure, in an ongoing firefight while you yourself are ducking rifle fire. So, you take an adrenaline pumped panicky shot and miss or cause a non disabling wound. They fire back and probably throw that bomb into YOUR house.

It's as stupid as all the NRA assholes that thought they could take the Batman shooter down.


I find hilarity in the idiots that portray AR15s as killing machines, even in the hands of untrained random people who can get them and the 100 rd magazines and kill everyone in sight....   (james holmes, adam lanza, etc...)

But those same people claim that there's NOOOOOOO WAY that someone with minimal training, but have shot their own rifle a fair bit couldn't make this type of shot under the circumstances.  "all you NRA wannabes would NEVER be able to make that shot and would probably take out 50 cops instead.."

GIVE ME A FARKIN BREAK!!!!

I could make this shot in my sleep.   Probably with NO sights looking down the barrel, let alone actually using my red dot scope.
 
2013-04-25 03:04:30 PM

PunGent: dittybopper: Dimensio: dittybopper:

All well and good...unless the terrorists had stolen police uniforms, and you end

 killing the two undercover cops who'd just flushed them out...

/gun owner myself
//just saying
///make DAMN sure of your target


I TOTALLY get what you're saying with this, but I think you can rest assured the people throwing the bombs and what not weren't the cops....
 
2013-04-25 06:33:25 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: I find hilarity in the idiots that portray AR15s as killing machines, even in the hands of untrained random people who can get them and the 100 rd magazines and kill everyone in sight....   (james holmes, adam lanza, etc...)

But those same people claim that there's NOOOOOOO WAY that someone with minimal training, but have shot their own rifle a fair bit couldn't make this type of shot under the circumstances.  "all you NRA wannabes would NEVER be able to make that shot and would probably take out 50 cops instead.."

GIVE ME A FARKIN BREAK!!!!


Mr. Bob Dobalita, won't you quit? You really make me sick with your fraudulent behavior.

There's no contradiction there.  One is arguing that the AR-15 et al. are effective tools for killing whatever they put a bullet through, without comment on the user's ability to aim at a legitimate target; the other is arguing that a gun user's ability to aim at a legitimate target during a live firefight scenario is somewhat overestimated by some people, without comment on the efficacy of any particular weapon model.
 
2013-04-25 06:45:39 PM

dittybopper: propasaurus: dittybopper: propasaurus: Remember also that in this scenario you're an ex-SEAL Marine Core soldier with sniper training.

To make a 15 yard shot at a target that doesn't even know you're there?

*IF* I had the presence of mind to do it (and who knows, I may not have), I could make that shot with my flintlock.

You'd bop your ditty at the first car backfire, tough guy.

Just to expand upon this, even though I am far from a tough guy, this is what I am:

1. Avid hunter, and have been for over 30 years.  In fact, over a decade ago, I switched from using a scoped bolt action .30'06 to using a flintlock, because it was just too damned easy to take 100 to 150 yard shots on deer.  Similarly, I switched from using a compound bow to using a longbow.  My father made both the gun and the bow I now use.  I make the arrows.

2. Competitive shooter.  I participate in "primitive biathlons", where you run through the woods wearing snowshoes, carrying a muzzleloader, and you shoot at steel targets.  The event is timed, and a hit on a target subtracts time from your score.  Those targets are much smaller and much farther away than would be the case here, and you can't use a rest, you must shoot "off hand" which is the least accurate way to shoot.

3. Ex-US Army.  I spent 4 years in the US Army.  Granted, it was in a non-combat position, so I'm not going to claim I have L33t tactical skillz, but there is a certain minimum amount of training everyone gets in Basic, and that is reinforced by required annual qualifications both at the range and for "common tasks".


LONG bow? dang...I'm impressed.

Bought my AR15 because I wasn't getting to the range even once a year at my old unit.  If I'm getting called up, I want to be comfortable with the damn thing.
 
2013-04-25 08:51:18 PM

PunGent: LONG bow? dang...I'm impressed.


I also taught myself how to knap flint, so I'm going to be hunting with something like this:

i48.tinypic.com

i45.tinypic.com

That head is a bit too small to be legal for big game in my state, so I'm not going to use that exact arrowhead, but that should give you an idea.

This is the first arrowhead I was ever proud of having made:

i52.tinypic.com

I dulled the edges and carry it in my pocket to this day.
 
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