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(Fox News)   Fox News blames media bias for not talking about the real cause of the Boston bombings. If only there were some other way to get the word out   (foxnews.com) divider line 268
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2013-04-25 12:05:16 AM

fusillade762: hardinparamedic: jshine: What's the y-axis on that chart?  ...because if the 3000+ deaths on 9/11/2001 equates to about 10 units on your chart, what in God's name happened to the other 25 units (about 7500 additional deaths by terrorism in 2001)?  Or are these data cherry-picked to give a particular conclusion?

Number of Incidents. And 9/11 was a single incident, regardless of the death count (which was made possible by the mechanism of the attack.)

The fact of the matter is Islamic Fundamentalism is only a part of the problem. The most likely threat is not some guy in a cave plotting Evil while the drones circle overhead waiting for that camping n00b to show himself, it's a random guy in mom's basement with a copy of TM 31-210 and a few bucks worth of black powder - as Boston Proved.

Another chart, just for giggles:

www.juancole.com

Terrorism and the other Religions


SEE???

Mooselimbs are driving a STAKE into the heart of Christendom!

A RED STAKE!
 
2013-04-25 12:08:04 AM

maxheck: [i37.tinypic.com image 524x350]


A perfect capture of the complete vacancy between her ears. She is too dumb even to be a blonde.
 
2013-04-25 12:31:30 AM

Amos Quito: Ah, I see. The misunderstanding arose from your use of the term "violent CRIME", and the CDC does not require "criminal intent" when they're categorizing "violent DEATHS". A dude could be hit in the head and killed by a stray golf ball and the CDC would call that a "violent death".


Uh, what?

Violent Death involves Criminal Acts. The CDC classifies what you describe as Non-Intentional Traumatic Injury and Accidental Death.
 
2013-04-25 01:00:19 AM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: Ah, I see. The misunderstanding arose from your use of the term "violent CRIME", and the CDC does not require "criminal intent" when they're categorizing "violent DEATHS". A dude could be hit in the head and killed by a stray golf ball and the CDC would call that a "violent death".

Uh, what?

Violent Death involves Criminal Acts.



CDC:

"The person using the force or power need only to have intended to use force or power; he or she need not to have intended to produce the consequence that actually occurred. "Physical force" should be interpreted broadly to include the use of poisons or drugs. The word "power" includes acts of neglect or omission by one person who has control over another. Examples of violent deaths include homicides and suicides."

Blow it out your ass, Band-Aid man.
 
2013-04-25 01:30:07 AM
I think people are less interested in Fox's fearmongering than they used to be.
 
2013-04-25 01:33:55 AM

Strolpol: The War on Straw Men continues unabated...it's rapidly descending into an all-out alfalfa apocalypse.


I'm stealing that.
 
2013-04-25 01:44:50 AM

Amos Quito: "The person using the force or power need only to have intended to use force or power; he or she need not to have intended to produce the consequence that actually occurred. "Physical force" should be interpreted broadly to include the use of poisons or drugs. The word "power" includes acts of neglect or omission by one person who has control over another. Examples of violent deaths include homicides and suicides."

Blow it out your ass, Band-Aid man.


Wow. Your own post contradicts the point you're trying to make. The anger in it only makes the fact you just disproved your own argument even more hilarious.
 
2013-04-25 01:59:59 AM
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2013-04-25 02:11:22 AM

jshine: The "Islam is evil" argument is facile (as are most news articles from Fox News), but so is arguing that religion is irrelevant. There is obviously a violence problem in many Islamic countries that appears to draw motivation and strength from religion. Its certainly a small minority, but even a small percentage of a billion people is a big problem. Religion (and culture, since the two are intimately intertwined) is definitely a factor here.

Without reading too much of this thread, I'm not sure where you stand on the issue (so I may be arguing with you or agreeing with you), but that's my $0.02.


I think we're discussing in tandem. It's not that religion is irrelevant in general--it's very relevant--but it is in this particular instance; and can be in any given instance. People who are angry often find other people who are angry like them; people who are violent often find justifications for their violence; sometimes it comes together in one place and time. But sometimes not. Some angry people never become violent; some violent people are just violent or criminal with no real motive. Some people--as it seems in this case, based on the scanty evidence--are angry but need some kind of motive before they can act. So Tamerlan Tsarnaev was angry with America for Iraq and other wars, and wanted to do something, but felt like he couldn't just act out without some OTHER rationale. That rationale was Islam--but it could have been something else. Obviously, he wasn't just a mad psychopath, or killing for Islam generally--he could have stayed in Chechnya if he wanted to do that. But he was violent first, and then turned to Islam for his justification.

However, some people join a group or cause first, and then become violent, soldiers if you like. Once they've become part of the movement, THEN they start moving on to shooting, bombing, killing. They have the motivation, but need the violence. So it's not that religion isn't relevant; but it's not the cause, I guess, is my theory.
 
2013-04-25 02:30:07 AM
So let me get this right...everyone is up in arms about the media speculating a couple of bombers of being Muslim and that this could be the reason that they blew up people.  But some jackass shoots up schools and everyone yells bad republicans!  Gun control! Tea tards!  Ban, ban,ban! Save the children!

Either there are a sh*tload of stupid people here, a heap load of trolls, or some hypcritical b*stards.
 
2013-04-25 03:39:38 AM
After they spent three days all but demanding the arrest of every person who ever went to a Tea Party only to find out they were, once again, wrong... Is it any surprise? If it had been a Tea Party person you can be sure that the organizations quietly playing down the Islam connection would be screaming from every rooftop in the country about it.
 
2013-04-25 09:05:54 AM
denial, not just a river in Egypt
 
2013-04-25 09:46:21 AM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: "The person using the force or power need only to have intended to use force or power; he or she need not to have intended to produce the consequence that actually occurred. "Physical force" should be interpreted broadly to include the use of poisons or drugs. The word "power" includes acts of neglect or omission by one person who has control over another. Examples of violent deaths include homicides and suicides."

Blow it out your ass, Band-Aid man.

Wow. Your own post contradicts the point you're trying to make. The anger in it only makes the fact you just disproved your own argument even more hilarious.



What is hilarious is that you had hoped to minimize yesterday's deaths in Iraq (from bombings, battles and attacks) by comparing them to those that the CDC classifies as "violent deaths" which include suicides, accidental shootings, etc, ignoring that Iraq is a country with a population the size of California in your comparison.

What did you hope to achieve with this minimization, HP?


/It's a conspiracy
 
2013-04-25 11:23:51 AM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: Thanks for the clarification.

143 people PER DAY is a LOT of people - over 53 thousand per year.

Strangely when I look at the FBI Murder Statistics for 2010, I see 6,284 victims for the entire year - or about 17 per day.

Nothing to brag about, to be sure, but a far cry from the 143 you mentioned earlier.

Maybe you're using a different source - or maybe a different definition of "die from violent crimes"?

/Further clarification appreciated

I think the CDC is using different qualifiers, then.They pull violent death statistics from death certificates, not from crime reports. They also count suicide as a violent death, so even subtracting from that the 2010 statistics gave 16,000 deaths from violence in the US. That's around 40 or so per day in the US.

On the other hand, it should be something to say that we have more violent death than a country undergoing active insurgency.

Not a defense of anything we've done in Iraq in the least, mind you. Just pointing out something.


That we keep better statistics than third-world shiatholes do? I'm shocked.
 
2013-04-25 02:42:09 PM

Amos Quito: What is hilarious is that you had hoped to minimize yesterday's deaths in Iraq (from bombings, battles and attacks) by comparing them to those that the CDC classifies as "violent deaths" which include suicides, accidental shootings, etc, ignoring that Iraq is a country with a population the size of California in your comparison.

What did you hope to achieve with this minimization, HP?


That's pretty funny how the CDC makes a differentialization directly disproving your claim. Here, I'll take a screenshot for you.

i.imgur.com

I can understand how you missed that, Amos. I mean I actually had to read into the second paragraph to find it right there in the open. That's a lot of work for you, I know.

Amos Quito: What did you hope to achieve with this minimization, HP?


I simply pointed out an interesting fact, that we have more dying of violence per day that a country in an active insurgency from violent crime. You were the one that went full retard on the attack about it. And you were blatantly wrong too.

I know how that upsets you, Amos. But it's okay. Deep breath, Bro. It's only FARK.
 
2013-04-25 04:06:30 PM

Madbassist1: Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most Americans


It's not our fault that most American Christians don't know jack about the Faith that they claim to profess, is it?

Besides, I should think that any Christian with even a passing familiarity with the main tenets of their faith would recognize images of Christ of the Cross, the Madonna and the like covering every square inch of wall in an Orthodox Church, even if the guy talking up front has different robes on.

Unless you're arguing that ignorance and uniformed opinions are Good Thing, useful in building a cohesive worldview?  And that that which does not conform to that worldview is to be rejected as irrelevant out of hand?

Even though it actually, you know, happened?
 
2013-04-25 06:18:42 PM

atomicmask: Yeah Japan and germany are just loaded with extremists right? If I recall, we stuck our dick into their politics pretty hard and they both straitened up and flew right afterwards.

keep making excuses with bullshiat.


Uh, what? The Japanese have so many hardline conservatives in their Government that revisionist World History is being taught openly to Japanese Students in the classroom through Japanese Textbooks, and ther desire to avoid a formal discussion or even apology of the events of World War II to the Chinese has been one of the major reasons they have strained (at best) relations.

And despite being illegal to identify as such in Germany, there has been a massive resurgance of ultra-nationalism and neonazi groups since the Fall of the Berlin Wall in the 90s.
 
2013-04-25 09:05:58 PM
Nothing brings the hogs to the slop like a link to ... gasp!... Fox News!   SUUUU  EEE!!!
 
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