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2013-04-24 07:20:58 PM

justtray: Amos Quito: justtray: mark12A: Yes, extremism is the big problem.

No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.

Not sure if racist or just retarded.


Muslims: Not a race.
Christians: Not a race.

I shouldn't have to clarify, and I know you're being overly pedantic, but;

Muslims = brown
Christians = white

Is the popular misunderstanding. Though much of Asia is also Christian and the beheadings done in christ's name in places like east Timor were/are pretty gruesome


What a cop out, you are wrong so he is over pedantic.

It most get tiring running around with the goalposts all the time.
 
2013-04-24 07:23:16 PM

Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there


So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.
 
2013-04-24 07:24:18 PM

The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there

So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.


I wasn't the one that initially made the comment. I was just making an observation.
 
2013-04-24 07:25:21 PM

somedude210: letrole: The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was a maladjusted nutcase who apparently...

even maladjusted nutcases have religion. Isn't that the basis for your hatred of Islam?


This!!! What makes the older brother any different than Adam Lanza, aside from his accent???
 
2013-04-24 07:25:45 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake


Are you jumping up and down on the furniture yet? That would really help your argument. You should jump up and down on the furniture. And throw something. Definitely throw something.
 
2013-04-24 07:25:53 PM

Amos Quito: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake


Not that this is really THAT relevant...

[forumemjot.files.wordpress.com image 351x264]

But I thought I'd toss a wrench into the works.


/It's not necessarily "either/or", ya know?


Predictable.
 
2013-04-24 07:34:56 PM

Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there

So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.

I wasn't the one that initially made the comment. I was just making an observation.


An observation that seemed to indicate you thought he was racist. And then you go on to indicate you recognize he is not.

Its almost like you used an experience based heuristic to make a judgement about another person. Yes, many times when someone says, "I'm not racists but..." it is followed by a racist comment. So lets just go ahead and use that as a means of judging the person racist without actually trying to comprehend the following statement first.

Guess where stereotypes come from? Experience based heuristics coupled with a lack of critical thinking. But gosh, I thought stereotypes were bad and here you are using them. How does that work out?

How comfortable are you with me making the observation that black people are far more likely to carjack someone than a white person? I mean, I'm just making observations.
 
2013-04-24 07:36:37 PM
So the dynamic-duo decided to set up the bomb because they felt independently-inspired to go blow shiat up in the name of Islam, but they were not a part of any larger religious/militant organization.

Does that about sum up the situation?
 
2013-04-24 07:40:42 PM
If you're willing to misquote George Carline, what evil won't you do?
 
2013-04-24 07:41:24 PM

The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there

So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.

I wasn't the one that initially made the comment. I was just making an observation.

An observation that seemed to indicate you thought he was racist. And then you go on to indicate you recognize he is not.

Its almost like you used an experience based heuristic to make a judgement about another person. Yes, many times when someone says, "I'm not racists but..." it is followed by a racist comment. So lets just go ahead and use that as a means of judging the person racist without actually trying to comprehend the follo ...


I didn't even say I agreed with the original statement. I was just making an observation.

Sorry I got your panties tied up in a knot.
 
2013-04-24 07:41:25 PM
If only I could edit. If only.
 
2013-04-24 07:43:40 PM

somedude210: rkiller1: somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly?

Ummm, perhaps the bombers were of the Islamic faith and acted radically?

One does not mean the other. Just because I'm buddhist and I do something radical, like light people on fire because I have a hankering for BBQ, doesn't make it due to radical Buddhism

Same applies here. Islam was a personal justification, maybe, but they didn't go out killing people because of "Jihad" or 72 virgins. The older brother got pissed that he was isolated in his adoptive country and snubbed for a chance at an olympic boxing match. This is no different than Columbine, but with less "flag wavin' americans" and guns.

/in other words, you're an idiot


If you have access to documents written by the suspect that specifically list why he attacked please forward them to the FBI immediately.
 
2013-04-24 07:46:10 PM

Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there

So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.

I wasn't the one that initially made the comment. I was just making an observation.

An observation that seemed to indicate you thought he was racist. And then you go on to indicate you recognize he is not.

Its almost like you used an experience based heuristic to make a judgement about another person. Yes, many times when someone says, "I'm not racists but..." it is followed by a racist comment. So lets just go ahead and use that as a means of judging the person racist without actually t ...


"Just making an observation"

Ok, we can pretend like people don't use that as gutless ploy when they want to make sure their opinion gets out there without actually being held accountable for it if that's how you want to roll.
 
2013-04-24 07:47:05 PM

Amos Quito: TODAY'S UPDATE:

Over 30 killed in violence across Iraq


/Sure glad we freed 'em!


By comparison, 147 people will die today from violent crime, based on 2010 statistics.
 
2013-04-24 07:48:30 PM

Novart: If you have access to documents written by the suspect that specifically list why he attacked please forward them to the FBI immediately.


look upthread. I quoted an LA Times article and a CNN article, both on Fark's main page. The CNN article was about the Misha who pulled the older brother into being a more devote muslim, but not to radicalize him to harming in the name of islam. The LA Times article was talking about how they planned this a week before and had no outside help, it quotes the younger brother as saying that islam was not the reason, it was the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, if anything, that was their cause.
 
2013-04-24 07:51:41 PM
Cocksucker, motherfarker, and of course the word fark, pbuh.
 
2013-04-24 07:51:52 PM

Novart: somedude210: rkiller1: somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly?

Ummm, perhaps the bombers were of the Islamic faith and acted radically?

One does not mean the other. Just because I'm buddhist and I do something radical, like light people on fire because I have a hankering for BBQ, doesn't make it due to radical Buddhism

Same applies here. Islam was a personal justification, maybe, but they didn't go out killing people because of "Jihad" or 72 virgins. The older brother got pissed that he was isolated in his adoptive country and snubbed for a chance at an olympic boxing match. This is no different than Columbine, but with less "flag wavin' americans" and guns.

/in other words, you're an idiot

If you have access to documents written by the suspect that specifically list why he attacked please forward them to the FBI immediately.


I'm sure they're already aware of his statements:

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev admitted to playing a role in the marathon bombings ... and told federal agents that he and his brother were motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs, when he was interviewed Sunday at the hospital, law enforcement officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-marathon-bombing-develop me nts.html

It seems that the words went straight from his mouth to the feds.
 
2013-04-24 07:53:44 PM

Begoggle: Troll hard.
Get views.
Get paid.


fark the internet.

that's all it is now
 
2013-04-24 07:57:58 PM

my herniated disc: Begoggle: Troll hard.
Get views.
Get paid.

fark the internet.

that's all it is now


I think you're right. I also think the strategy is backfiring. I've been using the internet a lot less over the last year or so than I did for the previous 10 years. They're squeezing a few extra pennies out now, but it's costing them in the long run.
 
2013-04-24 08:05:45 PM

cc_rider: Good farking grief. This is exactly the reason for David Sirota's article. Because the mouth-breathers are spewing their conformation bias and jizzing all over themselves in a pissing contest to see who can scream "Mooslim terrorists" the loudest.

To be fair, all cable news media and a good deal of social media did a horrible job with shaming and blaming the innocent. But now the same farking douchebags who think background checks for all gun sales are tyranny, and that Fartbongo was going to drone Real 'merikans are ready to throw out the Constitution, treat citizens as "enemy combatants", and hey... maybe those drones aren't so bad after all...amirite, Rand?

Let the pants-wetting and pearl-clutching begin.


See what you have done....
 
2013-04-24 08:09:31 PM

jshine: So the dynamic-duo decided to set up the bomb because they felt independently-inspired to go blow shiat up in the name of Islam, but they were not a part of any larger religious/militant organization.

Does that about sum up the situation?


Pretty much.

There are two ways one can go about committing a religiously or politically inspired act of violence. One can be affiliated with a group that commits such acts due to one's own beliefs, and commit an act either because one is directed to do so by the group (like the 9/11 hijackers) or because one feels one's act will further the group's cause (like McVeigh). That is one way.

The other way is that one can be violently inclined towards a nation, religion or cause, and seek a rationale for attacking that nation, religion or cause, and find such justification in the tenets of an opposing cause or religion. Eric Rudolph seems to have been one such individual; now the Tsarnaev brothers may fall into this category.

It's possible for there to be crossovers; for instance, if the older Tsarnaev had stayed longer in Chechnya, he might have been recruited into a separatist group, or into an al-Qaeda cell; it's also possible for such unfocused anger and disaffection to find another outlet: If Tamerlan had not had such a devout wife, he might have become the Russian version of Mike Tyson, an angry, mean boxer instead of a semi-radicalized Muslim. Just as it's possible that if the younger brother had grown up away from his older brother, he might not have been radicalized at all, or might have become a member of the Occupy movement instead.

But for now, they weren't too much different from Kliebold and Harris when they gunned down their classmates at Columbine; they just found a different excuse for their actions.
 
2013-04-24 08:10:53 PM

gnadfly: I can't believe one of the earlier posters compared the T-bros to the TEA party in one of the Boobiess. Again, it don't recall a single act of violence at a TEA Party rally or convention.


Probably because they save the violence for when they go to other people's rallies.

Link

Link

Link

Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?
 
2013-04-24 08:16:42 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 550x413]

Tea-Bagger Tabby enjoys drinking your tears.


No one is denying that they were, but I sure hear a lot of teabaggers denying that they are white and conservative.

Dzokhar was a fan of Infowars. Perhaps that's what "radicalized" him.
 
2013-04-24 08:31:09 PM

insano: If you're going to write a douchey Fox news opinion article, please do not invoke the words of George Carlin. He was a far better person than you and would be turning in his grave. Quote Reagan, Ayn Rand, Larry the cable guy, or some other fox prophet but not Carlin.


Seriously.
 
2013-04-24 08:32:51 PM

vygramul: Amos Quito: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake


Not that this is really THAT relevant...

[forumemjot.files.wordpress.com image 351x264]

But I thought I'd toss a wrench into the works.


/It's not necessarily "either/or", ya know?

Predictable.



Yeah, I guess it was.

The Brits should have known that once they had served their "purpose", they'd be given the bum's rush.

BOOM!

/Terr-rists
 
2013-04-24 08:32:58 PM
ox45tallboy: Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?

People who use expressions like "Lame Stream Media" go on the red list.
 
2013-04-24 08:35:08 PM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: TODAY'S UPDATE:

Over 30 killed in violence across Iraq


/Sure glad we freed 'em!

By comparison, 147 people will die today from violent crime, based on 2010 statistics.



In Iraq? In the US? In the world?

Where?
 
2013-04-24 08:35:45 PM

Gyrfalcon: jshine: So the dynamic-duo decided to set up the bomb because they felt independently-inspired to go blow shiat up in the name of Islam, but they were not a part of any larger religious/militant organization.

Does that about sum up the situation?

Pretty much.

There are two ways one can go about committing a religiously or politically inspired act of violence. One can be affiliated with a group that commits such acts due to one's own beliefs, and commit an act either because one is directed to do so by the group (like the 9/11 hijackers) or because one feels one's act will further the group's cause (like McVeigh). That is one way.

The other way is that one can be violently inclined towards a nation, religion or cause, and seek a rationale for attacking that nation, religion or cause, and find such justification in the tenets of an opposing cause or religion. Eric Rudolph seems to have been one such individual; now the Tsarnaev brothers may fall into this category.

It's possible for there to be crossovers; for instance, if the older Tsarnaev had stayed longer in Chechnya, he might have been recruited into a separatist group, or into an al-Qaeda cell; it's also possible for such unfocused anger and disaffection to find another outlet: If Tamerlan had not had such a devout wife, he might have become the Russian version of Mike Tyson, an angry, mean boxer instead of a semi-radicalized Muslim. Just as it's possible that if the younger brother had grown up away from his older brother, he might not have been radicalized at all, or might have become a member of the Occupy movement instead.

But for now, they weren't too much different from Kliebold and Harris when they gunned down their classmates at Columbine; they just found a different excuse for their actions.



Perhaps I'm off the mark, but this whole argument seems to remind me of the Civil War threads:
a) The Civil War was about slavery.
b) No, it was about states' rights.
c) Yes, it was about states' rights, but the South wasn't going to form an army and secede over the right to set horse-and-buggy speed limits or some such thing.  Only slavery and its hugely-important role in the Southern economy could be important enough to justify war.

Similarly:
a) These dudes bombed the marathon because of Islam.
b) No, they acted because they were crazy.
c) Yes, they may have been crazy, but if there weren't so many people in certain parts of the world (which they presumably respect) who approve of violence in the name of Islam -- especially against the US -- then they might have found a less violent outlet for their angst, like the "occupy" movement as you suggest.

The "Islam is evil" argument is facile (as are most news articles from Fox News), but so is arguing that religion is irrelevant.  There is obviously a violence problem in many Islamic countries that appears to draw motivation and strength from religion.  Its certainly a small minority, but even a small percentage of a billion people is a big problem.  Religion (and culture, since the two are intimately intertwined) is definitely a factor here.

Without reading too much of this thread, I'm not sure where you stand on the issue (so I may be arguing with you or agreeing with you), but that's my $0.02.
 
2013-04-24 08:36:36 PM

lolpix: ox45tallboy: Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?

People who use expressions like "Lame Stream Media" go on the red list.


Here you go, yours seems out of whack.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-24 08:39:16 PM

ox45tallboy: lolpix: ox45tallboy: Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?

People who use expressions like "Lame Stream Media" go on the red list.

Here you go, yours seems out of whack.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 270x221]


People who use sarcasm go on the red list.
 
2013-04-24 08:40:54 PM

Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

[i.imgur.com image 300x202]


I've got to say that's one of the most perfect troll images ever.
 
2013-04-24 08:50:22 PM

Amos Quito: In Iraq? In the US? In the world?

Where?


Sorry. United States. Meant to add that.
 
2013-04-24 08:55:43 PM
Comedian George Carlin famously joked about the seven words you couldn't say on air. Add two more - "Islam" and "Muslim"

Also "Gun" and "Control"
 
2013-04-24 09:09:28 PM
There's still a Fox News?
 
2013-04-24 09:09:44 PM

Amos Quito: hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: TODAY'S UPDATE:

Over 30 killed in violence across Iraq


/Sure glad we freed 'em!


hardinparamedic: By comparison, 147 people will die today from violent crime, based on 2010 statistics.

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: In Iraq? In the US? In the world?

Where?



Sorry. United States. Meant to add that.



Thanks for the clarification.

143 people PER DAY is a LOT of people - over 53 thousand per year.

Strangely when I look at the FBI Murder Statistics for 2010, I see 6,284 victims for the entire year - or about 17 per day.

Nothing to brag about, to be sure, but a far cry from the 143 you mentioned earlier.

Maybe you're using a different source - or maybe a different definition of "die from violent crimes"?

/Further clarification appreciated
 
2013-04-24 09:11:18 PM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: There's still a Fox News?



Someone has to guard the henhouse.
 
2013-04-24 09:13:51 PM

Amos Quito: Thanks for the clarification.

143 people PER DAY is a LOT of people - over 53 thousand per year.

Strangely when I look at the FBI Murder Statistics for 2010, I see 6,284 victims for the entire year - or about 17 per day.

Nothing to brag about, to be sure, but a far cry from the 143 you mentioned earlier.

Maybe you're using a different source - or maybe a different definition of "die from violent crimes"?

/Further clarification appreciated


I think the CDC is using different qualifiers, then.They pull violent death statistics from death certificates, not from crime reports. They also count suicide as a violent death, so even subtracting from that the 2010 statistics gave 16,000 deaths from violence in the US. That's around 40 or so per day in the US.

On the other hand, it should be something to say that we have more violent death than a country undergoing active insurgency.

Not a defense of anything we've done in Iraq in the least, mind you. Just pointing out something.
 
2013-04-24 09:19:17 PM
Can we agree that radical Muslims have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.  I don't want to see another innocent in ANY country hurt or killed because of radicals.  What can we do?
 
2013-04-24 09:22:27 PM

tmonator: Can we agree that radical MuslimsReligious Fundamentalists have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.


Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

thinkprogress.org
 
2013-04-24 09:37:27 PM

hardinparamedic: tmonator: Can we agree that radical MuslimsReligious Fundamentalists have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.

Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

[thinkprogress.org image 345x480]


I understand the want and or need for people to be politically correct and not want to focus on one group. I realize other groups of people hate America.  It seems the focus may be due to the fact that America is at war with Muslim radicals in various countries, and daily radicals are killing people, like our soldiers.  So let's just say Religious Fundamentalists.  Whatever you want to call them. The people all over the world that just happen to believe in the same thing that want to kill us and the people like us because of religion. The same people that want to kill as many of us as possible, because they hate us.  Screw the argument of who they are, and how about what can we do about it?  I really don't see an end to the violence here, I just envision it get worse and worse, like it has been, and people just getting numb to it.
 
2013-04-24 09:39:17 PM

hardinparamedic: tmonator: Can we agree that radical MuslimsReligious Fundamentalists have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.

Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

[thinkprogress.org image 345x480]


What's the y-axis on that chart?  ...because if the 3000+ deaths on 9/11/2001 equates to about 10 units on your chart, what in God's name happened to the other 25 units (about 7500 additional deaths by terrorism in 2001)?  Or are these data cherry-picked to give a particular conclusion?
 
2013-04-24 09:54:39 PM

jshine: What's the y-axis on that chart?  ...because if the 3000+ deaths on 9/11/2001 equates to about 10 units on your chart, what in God's name happened to the other 25 units (about 7500 additional deaths by terrorism in 2001)?  Or are these data cherry-picked to give a particular conclusion?


Number of Incidents. And 9/11 was a single incident, regardless of the death count (which was made possible by the mechanism of the attack.)

The fact of the matter is Islamic Fundamentalism is only a part of the problem. The most likely threat is not some guy in a cave plotting Evil while the drones circle overhead waiting for that camping n00b to show himself, it's a random guy in mom's basement with a copy of TM 31-210 and a few bucks worth of black powder - as Boston Proved.
 
2013-04-24 10:16:07 PM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: Thanks for the clarification.

143 people PER DAY is a LOT of people - over 53 thousand per year.

Strangely when I look at the FBI Murder Statistics for 2010, I see 6,284 victims for the entire year - or about 17 per day.

Nothing to brag about, to be sure, but a far cry from the 143 you mentioned earlier.

Maybe you're using a different source - or maybe a different definition of "die from violent crimes"?

/Further clarification appreciated

I think the CDC is using different qualifiers, then.They pull violent death statistics from death certificates, not from crime reports.



Ah, I see. The misunderstanding arose from your use of the term "violent CRIME", and the CDC does not require "criminal intent" when they're categorizing "violent DEATHS". A dude could be hit in the head and killed by a stray golf ball and the CDC would call that a "violent death".

So you can see how that "143 per day" figure might be just a TAD misleading - not saying that you had "BAD INTENT", you understand. ;-)


hardinparamedic: They also count suicide as a violent death, so even subtracting from that the 2010 statistics gave 16,000 deaths from violence in the US. That's around 40 or so per day in the US.



Yeah, well, calling suicide "violent death" is a bit of a stretch, IMO. And it is certainly not a "violent CRIME" - or at least those who are successful are rarely prosecuted.


hardinparamedic: On the other hand, it should be something to say that we have more violent death than a country undergoing active insurgency.



Well, to be fair, the article didn't count all "violent DEATHS" in Iraq - just those related to bombings, battles and other violent CLASHES.

And it would also be unfair to do a number count comparing Iraq to the US - considering that Iraq is roughly comparable the size and population of California, which, as you know, is tiny compared to the US as a whole.

I wonder: how many people committed suicide in Iraq today?


/Jus' keepin' you honest, HP
 
2013-04-24 10:19:47 PM

hardinparamedic: tmonator: Can we agree that radical MuslimsReligious Fundamentalists have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.

Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.


thinkprogress.org

Religious fundamentalists, anarchists and crunchy granola types. Muslims are arguably right-wingers too, but that's a whole 'nother argument.
 
2013-04-24 10:21:22 PM

hardinparamedic: Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

thinkprogress.org


One thing your graph shows is that the anarchists are really badly organized!
 
2013-04-24 11:06:31 PM

Farking Canuck: hardinparamedic: Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

thinkprogress.org

One thing your graph shows is that the anarchists are really badly organized!


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-24 11:23:00 PM

DeathCipris: *clicks link*

*Sees this is part of Fox News Opinions category*

*closes page*

Nope. fark Fox.


Everything on Fox News is opinion.

/Fox News:News::WWE:Sports
 
2013-04-24 11:28:34 PM

ox45tallboy: gnadfly: I can't believe one of the earlier posters compared the T-bros to the TEA party in one of the Boobiess. Again, it don't recall a single act of violence at a TEA Party rally or convention.

Probably because they save the violence for when they go to other people's rallies.

Link

Link

Link

Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?

Is that all you got?  Looked at your first link.  Old man with a camera gets thrown down when he gets close to the rally speaker .  Police pick him up -  when it looks like a rally member grabs his camera and sends him to the ground - and send him on his way.  I don't even see anything that identifies him as a TEA party member.

Sad really.  Nothing like the farkhate of the TEA Party.  No wonder the MSM didn't report it.

 
2013-04-24 11:39:55 PM

hardinparamedic: jshine: What's the y-axis on that chart?  ...because if the 3000+ deaths on 9/11/2001 equates to about 10 units on your chart, what in God's name happened to the other 25 units (about 7500 additional deaths by terrorism in 2001)?  Or are these data cherry-picked to give a particular conclusion?

Number of Incidents. And 9/11 was a single incident, regardless of the death count (which was made possible by the mechanism of the attack.)

The fact of the matter is Islamic Fundamentalism is only a part of the problem. The most likely threat is not some guy in a cave plotting Evil while the drones circle overhead waiting for that camping n00b to show himself, it's a random guy in mom's basement with a copy of TM 31-210 and a few bucks worth of black powder - as Boston Proved.


Another chart, just for giggles:

www.juancole.com

Terrorism and the other Religions
 
2013-04-24 11:49:33 PM
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