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2013-04-24 06:25:53 PM  

aspAddict: Magorn: let's even throw a red flag on the "devout" part,  according to the younger brother the pair WERE on their way to NYC when the  firefight happened, but theyweren;t headed up there to plant more bombs, but just to engage in a little celebratory post-bombing clubbing and boozing.  Given the Islamic prohibitions on drinking liquor I wouldn't call this schmuck "devout" either

Interesting - why did they bring along pipe/crock pot bombs and guns then? They seemed pretty well-armed for a night out on the town.

Granted, I've never been clubbing in NYC, maybe this is normal...

Also, it's not that much of a leap to tie these guys to "radical Islam" - it's not like they stopped by an Islamic shop 30 years ago. The younger brother had his religious views listed as "Islam" on his ComradeBook profile. Then there was the article that stated they let the driver go "because he was not American."

*shrug*


By that argument, I'd be a "radical Protestant" if I happened to murder a Jew in a road rage incident.
 
2013-04-24 06:26:01 PM  

Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

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I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.


Oh are we keeping tally? Lets look at islam!

Rape of coptic christians in egypt? This month.

Murder of coptic christians in egypt? this month.

Arrest of atheist and imprisonment in singapore just for being an atheist? this year

Boston bombing?

countless stoning of women for being raped in saudi arabia.

Forceable conversion of men and women in Brittian including a child sex ring? This year.

Do I really need to go on?
 
2013-04-24 06:26:39 PM  

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.


Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.
 
2013-04-24 06:29:04 PM  
letrole: b-b-but Eric Rudolph? Oh please get bent.

somedude210: Timothy McVeigh? He killed ~130something people, injuring ~300 more.
atlanta bombing - 2
newtown - 26
sikh temple -20?
we've had 1,020,000 deaths by guns in 2010. A majority of those were committed by christians, therefore they should be counted alongside those random acts of violence across the world committed by muslims, right?



Timothy McVeigh was agnostic at best. His motivations were anti-government lunacy, not religious.

The Atlanta bombing was the work of Eric Rudolph.

The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was a maladjusted nutcase who apparently...

Pardon me, I just realised there's no need for me to re-assert my postion, since you've done such an excellent job already.
 
2013-04-24 06:29:06 PM  

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.

Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.


Which clearly represents the majority of all Muslims in America right?
 
2013-04-24 06:30:03 PM  

atomicmask: No, I wouldn't, because im not a whiny twat muslim. I would try to make friends, try to adjust, adapt, and overcome my problems.

Everything you said sounds like excuses for islam. It wasn't that he was infatuated with his islamic culture, it was that he was persecuted and excluded from ours! It wasn't that he gave up boxing because momma carpet bower said it wasn't islamic, it was because we didn't bend over backwards and let him on the olympic team! IT MUST BE OUR FAULT, NOT HIS!

fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.


If you honestly stick your neck out there and try to make friends and they reject you (as humans often do) then do you not have some sort of legitimacy in being pissed that you're trying and yet they still won't accept you?

Not once did I say that it was our fault. I never apologized for the bombing, I never said we deserved it. I said that the links between what happened and radical islam are non existent at best. I said that you trying to link the two was a whole lot of bullshiat because nothing connects the two outside of  maybe circumstantial evidence (he may have gone to a website about bomb making, which happens to be published by AQ. Btw, did you know that White Supremacists link to said bomb making article too? Are they radical Islamics as well?)

The two of them committed a terrible act, but your reasoning for why they did it is unfounded or goes in the face of all the evidence to the contrary put out there. The guy had dreams and had them crushed, you'd be pissed too if someone crushed your dreams without regard for you. I doubt (or at least hope) you wouldn't start killing people, but this guy thought otherwise and his brother was stupid enough to sympathize enough to join him.

islam is not an inherently bad religion, which you'd understand if you bothered to look at history instead of picking and choosing which sections to know about.

the world needs less of your kind, because your kind breeds ignorance, fear and hatred, all of which come back to kill innocents and make you double down on your stupidity and fear.

/in other words, up yours
 
2013-04-24 06:32:44 PM  

letrole: The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was a maladjusted nutcase who apparently...


even maladjusted nutcases have religion. Isn't that the basis for your hatred of Islam?
 
2013-04-24 06:33:06 PM  

enricofermi: It's all over the CNN homepage. Which liberal media are we talking about?

It seemed to me that Misha had influence on Tamerlan," apparently encouraging him to give up boxing because it "is violent," Khozhgov told CNN's Wolf Blitzer."Tamerlan told me that he quit boxing and music because Misha was teaching that it's not good in Islam to do those things."
"Misha" taught Tsarnaev "things that would make Tamerlan go away from the people and go more into the religion," Khozhgov said, but "I didn't witness him making him radical."


Yeah, we need to get ahold of this Misha character. Find out what he knows. USE MORE HONEY!
 
2013-04-24 06:37:04 PM  

atomicmask: The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.



^ this ^
 
2013-04-24 06:37:23 PM  

Pitabred: genner: hardinparamedic: genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

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You sound like a radical atheist.


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That's pretty funny. But, just for kicks, look up the Eastern Orthodox Church and how they flourished under Communism, especially during and after WWII. He did not persecute the religious clergy per say, but rather replaced those who would not fall in line and manipulate religion for the state's own ends.

At any rate, Stalin was an example of State as Religion.

Right......even though he didn't believe in a god he wasn't "your kind" of atheist.

No, he didn't use atheism as a cause. He used it as a tool. Stalin wasn't killing people because the Great Atheismo would reward him with 72 scientists, he did it because they wouldn't obey the state he set up. Removing religion was necessary to replace it with what was effectively state worship. See how that works?


The state isn't a deity he was still an atheist.
 
2013-04-24 06:37:24 PM  

ProdigalSigh: My mistake on getting the school wrong, but aren't you essentially agreeing with me?


pretty much, different idea behind motives, but I think we both agree that it wasn't islam that caused this
 
2013-04-24 06:37:46 PM  

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.

Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.


"Attacks and oppression are happening in a region that the "civilized" world has repeatedly destabilized, therefore everyone who belongs to the dominant religion in the area is a TURRIST!"

Newsflash: When you repeatedly stick your dick into a region's politics, the region's politics get farked up, and often, this allows extremists to take over, which births more extremism.
 
2013-04-24 06:38:25 PM  

somedude210: atomicmask: No, I wouldn't, because im not a whiny twat muslim. I would try to make friends, try to adjust, adapt, and overcome my problems.

Everything you said sounds like excuses for islam. It wasn't that he was infatuated with his islamic culture, it was that he was persecuted and excluded from ours! It wasn't that he gave up boxing because momma carpet bower said it wasn't islamic, it was because we didn't bend over backwards and let him on the olympic team! IT MUST BE OUR FAULT, NOT HIS!

fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

If you honestly stick your neck out there and try to make friends and they reject you (as humans often do) then do you not have some sort of legitimacy in being pissed that you're trying and yet they still won't accept you?

Not once did I say that it was our fault. I never apologized for the bombing, I never said we deserved it. I said that the links between what happened and radical islam are non existent at best. I said that you trying to link the two was a whole lot of bullshiat because nothing connects the two outside of  maybe circumstantial evidence (he may have gone to a website about bomb making, which happens to be published by AQ. Btw, did you know that White Supremacists link to said bomb making article too? Are they radical Islamics as well?)

The two of them committed a terrible act, but your reasoning for why they did it is unfounded or goes in the face of all the evidence to the contrary put out there. The guy had dreams and had them crushed, you'd be pissed too if someone crushed your dreams without regard for you. I doubt (or at least hope) you wouldn't start killing people, but this guy thought otherwise and his brother was stupid enough to sympathize enough to join him.

islam is not an inherently bad religion, which you'd understand if you bothered to look at history instead of picking and choosing which sections to know about.

the world needs less ...


Bullshiat.

1. This guy was talking to some radical muslim convert named Misha, who got him to give up boxing because it was un-islamic
2. The guy got his bomb making guide from an al-quada magazine, which is islamic jihad.
3. his shiat heel brother has admitted it was more about islam and being upset at the west.

Only an apologetic fark nugget like you would make excuses and mince words. The guy CONFESSED IT WAS ABOUT farkING ISLAM and you keep saying "no, its this and this and this." quit making bull shiat excuses for a culture of hate and violence.

"islam is not an inherently bad religion, which you'd understand if you bothered to look at history instead of picking and choosing which sections to know about."

What farking revisionist bullshiat. ISLAM HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH THE WEST. Ottoman empire, the conquest of spain and lower italy, they forceable conversion of christians in israel, which LEAD TO THE CRUSADES. The barbary pirates and enslavement of christian sailors..

Dont use history to define islam as peaceful, when the entire history of that culture is nothing but war, enslavement, and barbarism.
 
2013-04-24 06:38:54 PM  

genner: The state isn't a deity he was still an atheist.


this is different from a theocracy how?

/all hail the great stalin!
 
2013-04-24 06:39:59 PM  

Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x540]

I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.


Hey nice bait. Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most Americans, let that False Equivalency express roll! Let me guess, next you'll bring up the Inquisition, right?
 
2013-04-24 06:40:12 PM  

atomicmask: Dont use history to define islam as peaceful, when the entire history of that culture is nothing but war, enslavement, and barbarism.


What about the moderates who don't buy the extremist bullcrap?
 
2013-04-24 06:40:23 PM  

LordJiro: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.

Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.

"Attacks and oppression are happening in a region that the "civilized" world has repeatedly destabilized, therefore everyone who belongs to the dominant religion in the area is a TURRIST!"

Newsflash: When you repeatedly stick your dick into a region's politics, the region's politics get farked up, and often, this allows extremists to take over, which births more ext ...


Yeah Japan and germany are just loaded with extremists right? If I recall, we stuck our dick into their politics pretty hard and they both straitened up and flew right afterwards.

keep making excuses with bullshiat.
 
2013-04-24 06:41:26 PM  

Madbassist1: Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x540]

I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.

Hey nice bait. Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most Americans, let that False Equivalency express roll! Let me guess, next you'll bring up the Inquisition, right?


But all Muslim sects are the same, right?
 
2013-04-24 06:42:32 PM  

Madbassist1: Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most American


It's still Christianity though.

I can't believe you guys are using the No True Scotsman excuse for this instead of realizing that both religious have had a violent and turbulent history.

Hell just look at what Christianity is doing in Uganda.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:03 PM  
letrole: The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was a maladjusted nutcase who apparently...

somedude210: even maladjusted nutcases have religion. Isn't that the basis for your hatred of Islam?

Some maladjusted nutcases have religion as a motivation. Some don't. They might be agitated at a barking dog. Is nominal religion of the nutter in any way relevant? No.

Unless of course, they aren't actually nutters, and they provide a lucid and theologically correct basis for the acts they've committed.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:41 PM  

d23: Kibbler: Well to be fair, that was Faux News "opinion" rather than "news."  It's where they just come right out and say what they imply 24/7 during the "news."

I seriously think it's an FTC problem.  They are falsely advertising their services.  I have no problem with their existence, but being called "Fox News" is wrong.  I've always jokingly said it should be "Fox News Entertainment," but, seriously, they should be called "Fox OpEd" or "Fox Current Events" or something OTHER than news because they are not presenting journalism.


That's all I have ever wanted. I don't care that some misleading jerk is massaging the pre-existing opinions of 'conservatives.' I care that they are presenting their spiel as fact, knowing that a typical Fox viewer will not venture outside that walled garden of opinion in search dispassionate facts. At least MSNBC - while frequently retarded and certainly employing liberal or at least Democratic pundit voices, treat their actual news segments with a modicum of respect. With Fox, you can compare the top stories of each major broadcast (including the Big Four), and find that while everyone else ran with something relevant to the day's events, Fox led with a story about some lone professor at some school no one cares about having finally debunked climate change.

No, I don't have a cite for that, but I was in the farking room man, watching as the stupid unfurled in front of my eyes. It wasn't the first or last time Fox will use the actual news portion to rank stories in importance based on how well/poorly they reflect on the GOP/Dems. Again, not even MSNBC, every liberal's retarded uncle, pulls that sh*t.

As for the Hannity's and ORLYs of the world, fine. That's why they're called pundits. It's supposed to be opinions. I don't advocate removing them. But surreptitiously corrupting viewers heads with bullsh*t when you're supposed to be in the journalistm hour is not cool. So ditch that "News" (and that stupid farking "Fair and Balanced" subtitle) from your moniker and we'll all be a bunch of Fonzies here. And what was Fonzie? Cool.

/I can't be the only one with at least one family member whose head is so warped by Fox, no amount of factual disabusing will alter whatever chart Fox just aired
 
2013-04-24 06:43:51 PM  

somedude210: genner: The state isn't a deity he was still an atheist.

this is different from a theocracy how?

/all hail the great stalin!


Stalin never claimed to be a supreme being. He denied the existence of all supreme beings .
Defintion of a atheist

noun a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:58 PM  

LordJiro: Madbassist1: Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x540]

I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.

Hey nice bait. Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most Americans, let that False Equivalency express roll! Let me guess, next you'll bring up the Inquisition, right?

But all Muslim sects are the same, right?


How the hell would I know? I only know about the rabid killers, and the wife cutters, etc. Also, I'm no fan of christians and their fairytales either, its all bullshiat to me, I was just making an observation.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:59 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

Uganda is 84% Christian btw, so you can't blame Muslims here.
 
2013-04-24 06:44:32 PM  

atomicmask: LordJiro: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.

Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.

"Attacks and oppression are happening in a region that the "civilized" world has repeatedly destabilized, therefore everyone who belongs to the dominant religion in the area is a TURRIST!"

Newsflash: When you repeatedly stick your dick into a region's politics, the region's politics get farked up, and often, this allows extremists to take over, which birth ...


Keep ignoring how, among other things, our meddling in Iran and our deliberate arming and empowering of extremists contributed to the current state of affairs. Just like you ignore everything else that threatens to damage your bigoted, small-minded worldview.
 
2013-04-24 06:45:19 PM  
Let's sum up the article:

BROWN PEOPLE DID IT! LET'S GO KILL THEM!!!
 
2013-04-24 06:45:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Dont use history to define islam as peaceful, when the entire history of that culture is nothing but war, enslavement, and barbarism.

What about the moderates who don't buy the extremist bullcrap?


I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.

What about them? They still form a support structure for all the lunatics and extremists. Until they actively work together to put a halt to the bullshiat, they are just as guilty of being a support group and structure. To bad islamic law pretty much forbids them from doing anything, and upholds the extremists way as right..which is exactly my point, the entire religion is one based on violence and enslavement. Nothing good comes from it.
 
2013-04-24 06:46:08 PM  

atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.


I noticed the history of Christianity too. Why do you seem reluctant to recognize it?
 
2013-04-24 06:46:14 PM  

LordJiro: our meddling in Iran and our deliberate arming and empowering of extremists contributed is almost entirely responsible for the current state of affairs


FTFY
 
2013-04-24 06:47:29 PM  

atomicmask: Until they actively work together to put a halt to the bullshiat, they are just as guilty of being a support group and structure.


Like they did in Canada just this week?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/23/17873250-muslims-helpe d- foil-alleged-canada-train-bomb-plot?lite
 
2013-04-24 06:48:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.

I noticed the history of Christianity too. Why do you seem reluctant to recognize it?


Let me help you with something.

I DONT GIVE A shiat ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BUT BUT BUT CHRISTIANS DOESN'T WORK ON ME, IM A NON-BELIEVER.

Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?
 
2013-04-24 06:50:58 PM  

Madbassist1: LordJiro: our meddling in Iran and our deliberate arming and empowering of extremists contributed is almost entirely responsible for the current state of affairs

FTFY


Yeah I guess we are to blame for the cultural shift in 1600 away from enlightenment in islam too...right? You know, that glorious islamic time in which they saved all the information lost from the fall of the roman empire, only to have an imam come along and say that perhaps the study of science and education is anti-islamic and pointless at about that time? We are to blame for that too right?
 
2013-04-24 06:51:18 PM  
I'm changing my Fark Handle to BillyRayMohammadBob so I can get away with shiat.
 
2013-04-24 06:51:33 PM  

atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?


No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.
 
2013-04-24 06:52:51 PM  

atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.


Your mention of the Crusades as evidence of Muslim aggression sure shut him up.
 
2013-04-24 06:52:52 PM  

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.


BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake
 
2013-04-24 06:55:22 PM  

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake


No, my point is that all religions have had a violent history and even continue to do so today (Christians in Uganda), it's not something that is exclusive to Islam.

Your argument that all Muslims are violent and hateful people just makes you come off as a nut.
 
2013-04-24 06:55:52 PM  

impaler: atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.

Your mention of the Crusades as evidence of Muslim aggression sure shut him up.


You do know the crusades happened because the muslim conquest of levant and the reconquista of iberia from muslim invaders also? It was a response to muslim aggression and conversion..
 
2013-04-24 06:56:21 PM  
All this religious vilence have we learned nothing? God requires faith so kill 'em all and let God sort them out.
 
2013-04-24 06:56:41 PM  

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.


You know nothing of psychiatry; I have. I've studied it.
 
2013-04-24 06:57:13 PM  

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.

I noticed the history of Christianity too. Why do you seem reluctant to recognize it?

Let me help you with something.

I DONT GIVE A shiat ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BUT BUT BUT CHRISTIANS DOESN'T WORK ON ME, IM A NON-BELIEVER.

Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?


No, because Islam and Christianity are irrelevant variables. Both religions' texts have parts advocating peace and parts advocating genocide and slavery. Both religions have had horrific things done in their name, and amazingly good things done in their name.

The relevant variable is extremism. Extreme Christians terrorized Europe, Asia, South America and basically wherever they could get to for centuries, while the Islamic world was making immense strides in scientific knowledge. Ireland, Uganda, Bosnia...all are recent, if not current, victims of Christian terrorism. Just because, at the moment, Islamic terrorism (even if most of it could be considered more guerilla warfare than traditional terrorism) is more prominent doesn't mean the religion itself is evil.

You seem intent on demonizing a billion people because of the actions of a few thousand at best. That is what we call, among other things, 'bigoted'.
 
2013-04-24 06:57:59 PM  
violence not vilence. I hate this keyboard. *smsh*
 
2013-04-24 06:58:13 PM  

atomicmask: Dont use history to define islam as peaceful, when the entire history of that culture is nothing but war, enslavement, and barbarism.


The Catholic church would like a word with you.

atomicmask: 1. This guy was talking to some radical muslim convert named Misha, who got him to give up boxing because it was un-islamic


from the CNN article:  "Misha" taught Tsarnaev "things that would make Tamerlan go away from the people and go more into the religion," Khozhgov said, but "I didn't witness him making him radical."

sounds more like he was giving him guidance about being a better Muslim, much like I could go meditate for 20 days to be a better buddhist, or you could go say a rosary or two to be a better catholic. but, you know, having a better understanding of your faith is a terrible thing. That's why we're just populated with lapse catholics and reformist jews, right?

atomicmask: 2. The guy got his bomb making guide from an al-quada magazine, which is islamic jihad.


I say again, so do American white supremacists  It's a handy guide, apparently. Does that make all the white supremacists anti-american muslims or just dudes that want to build bombs to possibly kill people?

atomicmask: 3. his shiat heel brother has admitted it was more about islam and being upset at the west.


From a LA Times article posted on the main page:  A U.S. counter-terrorism official said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev mentioned the wars "as a general justification for what he did"; a law enforcement official said he did not seem as bothered about America's role in the Muslim world.

soooo....they were anti-war activists? I was upset with both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, mostly Iraq though. Does this make me a radical muslim?

Again, all the evidence, even from the younger brother, seems to indicate that Islam was a means to an end, not the cause of. Don't blow things out of proportion than they really are.

atomicmask: Only an apologetic fark nugget like you would make excuses and mince words. The guy CONFESSED IT WAS ABOUT farkING ISLAM and you keep saying "no, its this and this and this." quit making bull shiat excuses for a culture of hate and violence.


noooo. he said "that his slain older brother, was "upset" by the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and that anger was the motivation to plant two crude homemade bombs along the crowded race route."

I don't see anything in there about radical islam. The Misha character you dregged up seems to be trying to get him to be a more devote muslim, not to kill people.
 
2013-04-24 07:01:30 PM  
RADICAL [insert name of faith here] IS BAD! STONE THE HERETICS!

/amidoingitrite?
 
2013-04-24 07:02:08 PM  

justtray: Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.


There's low hanging fruit to be had here which makes him look tarded and shows him that he looks tarded, but that's not it.

I think the way to counter this argument is to point out that two individuals don't define a group and if they start saying something dumb you can mention republican child molesters and cult leaders and start asserting they define all republicans for the sake of irony.

While attacking christians may be personally rewarding, you risk the conversation turning away from his stupid, prejudice belief which is a building block of his stupid world view to an assault on his entire world view which is just about impossible to defeat all at once.  If you don't really care about that because you're after the gratification, well, you're really just as worthless as him.
 
2013-04-24 07:02:49 PM  
Fox News wants the world to know that the Boston bombings were in the name of religion?
 
2013-04-24 07:06:58 PM  

atomicmask: Let me help you with something.

I DONT GIVE A shiat ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BUT BUT BUT CHRISTIANS DOESN'T WORK ON ME, IM A NON-BELIEVER.

Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?


religion is religion, all have extremists that kill in the name of whatever god/messiah they want to kill in the name of. Buddhists have a long and bloody history, so do Taoists, Protestants, Catholics, Muslims and Jews. Singling out one religion as an example of a religion gone south is disingenuous because you neglect the fact that  all religious institutions get very very bloody against non-believers/threats to the church hierarchy

you're trying to argue that Islam is the sole super terrible religion because of violence and bigotry, while at the same time you dismiss all arguments comparing said violence and bigotry to similar events found in other religions.

that is what we have a problem with in your posts.

/that and you're an uneducated dumbass, but we can leave that up for debate another time
 
2013-04-24 07:10:11 PM  

JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.


I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.
 
2013-04-24 07:12:39 PM  

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake



Not that this is really THAT relevant...

forumemjot.files.wordpress.com

But I thought I'd toss a wrench into the works.


/It's not necessarily "either/or", ya know?
 
2013-04-24 07:15:38 PM  

The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.


I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there
 
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