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2013-04-24 02:36:38 PM
what ties to radical islam are there, exactly? The older brother got pissy and used religion as a means to an end. He didn't receive teachings from any jihadist imam, he didn't go out and proclaim that Allah's way is the only way. He was a very devote Muslim that did terrible things but one did not cause the other.

You've got a legitimate issue with his mental stability, that's good, we all have questions about his stability, but if you're going to blame radical Islam as reason for the bombings, than you're an idiot and don't actually care about the real reasons for it, you just want to kill brown people because they're different than you.

/assholes
 
2013-04-24 02:38:13 PM
That's because the tie to radical Islam is tenuous at best, but the butthurt these guys seem to have felt because they didn't get things handed to them is palpable. They are closer to teabaggers than Al Qaeda.
 
2013-04-24 02:48:09 PM
In the week following the terror attack on the Boston Marathon, lefties and their media clones have been desperate to point out the attack had nothing to do with those two scary words. After all, journalists and pundits have had time to reflect on the bombing - from the safety of their posh offices and not Boston's crowded hospitals. The brothers were just poor and misunderstood. It can't be their fault.


Seriously.  Has ANYONE been reporting that?  Or is this just more Fox bullshiat completely made up out of whole cloth?
 
2013-04-24 02:55:53 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: In the week following the terror attack on the Boston Marathon, lefties and their media clones have been desperate to point out the attack had nothing to do with those two scary words.


Two scary words?  Boston and Marathon?  I know both terrify me.  Specifically the traffic in Boston, and the idea of having to run for 26 miles.
 
2013-04-24 02:58:03 PM
Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.
 
2013-04-24 03:03:58 PM
The world is wrong for not conforming to Fox's views.

I'm not sure what annoys me more - the stupidity or the arrogance with which they express it.
 
2013-04-24 03:10:24 PM

Diogenes: The world is wrong for not conforming to Fox's views.

I'm not sure what annoys me more - the stupidity or the arrogance with which they express it.


Don't forget about the dumb shiats who believe it.
 
2013-04-24 03:17:33 PM
The cause of the Boston bombings was bombs. I thought this had been discussed, complete with the requisite bad-taste-joke from a state-level GOP dickfark (named Stasi Stacy, of all things) over it.

Now, if you want to delve into the motivations of the bombers, we can stop the train at station 1 ("Radical Islam"), station 2 ("pissed about Afghanistan/Iraq"), station 3 ("social isolation"), station 4 ("CTE"), station 5 ("they're Yankee fans/they hate runners") or station 6 ("more info needed").

// station 4 is where the hobos hang out, and it smells like Alex Jones and pee
// also, avoid pod 6
// ...damn jerks
 
2013-04-24 03:20:30 PM

justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-24 03:23:14 PM

Dr Dreidel: The cause of the Boston bombings was bombs. I thought this had been discussed, complete with the requisite bad-taste-joke from a state-level GOP dickfark (named Stasi Stacy, of all things) over it.

Now, if you want to delve into the motivations of the bombers, we can stop the train at station 1 ("Radical Islam"), station 2 ("pissed about Afghanistan/Iraq"), station 3 ("social isolation"), station 4 ("CTE"), station 5 ("they're Yankee fans/they hate runners") or station 6 ("more info needed").

// station 4 is where the hobos hang out, and it smells like Alex Jones and pee
// also, avoid pod 6
// ...damn jerks


it sounds like a combination of 1,2, and 3
 
2013-04-24 03:23:44 PM
Fox News this week: "WE'RE #1 IN RATINGS!!! LIBRUL MEDIA IS DEAD, AND WE DONE KILLED IT!! WE'RE THE MOST TRUSTED NAME IN NEWS!!!! WE'RE EVERYWHERE!!!"

Fox News next week: "OMG THE LIBRUL MEDIAZ IS HOLDING US DOWN!!!! HELP! HELP! WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED!"
 
2013-04-24 03:27:59 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Seriously. Has ANYONE been reporting that? Or is this just more Fox bullshiat completely made up out of whole cloth?


You see, this is an opinion column on Fox News... not the "news" news!  Silly lib, they can say whatever they want as long as it fits their narrative.

Also, I don't follow conservative news outlets, but I've gotten plenty of indications from NPR that the FBI is going shoulder-deep into the extent of online and Chechen ties these two had to Islamist militants.  Maybe the "lamestream MSM media" is actually waiting for the case to develop to really hammer the Islamic angle, considering that one of the bombers is still ALIVE and providing evidence.
 
2013-04-24 03:51:25 PM
this is a marketing/ promotion technique called differentiation.  They are trying to attract viewers away from CNN by showing how their coverage is different and superior to their competitor.  That's all it is.
 
2013-04-24 03:54:13 PM

somedude210: it sounds like a combination of 1,2, and 3


That's the point. Neither of us watches Fox News (I assume) and yet we both knew this without RTFA (I further assume).
 
2013-04-24 03:56:31 PM
Famed newsman Tom Brokaw took up the blame America crusade on Sunday's NBC "Meet the Press," discussing "motivation" like he was in an entry-level acting class.

Stupid libtards. Thinking Muslims are "humans" with "motives." Amirite?
 
2013-04-24 03:57:48 PM

SlothB77: this is a marketing/ promotion technique called differentiation.  They are trying to attract viewers away from CNN by showing how their coverage is different and superior to their competitor.  That's all it is.


One would think that would be easy enough to do without being dicks.
 
2013-04-24 03:59:40 PM
The War on Straw Men continues unabated...it's rapidly descending into an all-out alfalfa apocalypse.
 
2013-04-24 04:00:55 PM

somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly? The older brother got pissy and used religion as a means to an end. He didn't receive teachings from any jihadist imam, he didn't go out and proclaim that Allah's way is the only way. He was a very devote Muslim that did terrible things but one did not cause the other.

You've got a legitimate issue with his mental stability, that's good, we all have questions about his stability, but if you're going to blame radical Islam as reason for the bombings, than you're an idiot and don't actually care about the real reasons for it, you just want to kill brown people because they're different than you.

/assholes


let's even throw a red flag on the "devout" part,  according to the younger brother the pair WERE on their way to NYC when the  firefight happened, but theyweren;t headed up there to plant more bombs, but just to engage in a little celebratory post-bombing clubbing and boozing.  Given the Islamic prohibitions on drinking liquor I wouldn't call this schmuck "devout" either
 
2013-04-24 04:01:51 PM
Ridiculous!  The Boston Globe went so far as to suggest that Islam MIGHT have had a "secondary" role!
 
2013-04-24 04:02:23 PM

justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.


Muslim lunatics bomb a marathon: ALL MUSLIMS GO ON THE WATCH LIST!

Right-wing Christian lunatics bomb abortion clinics/murder doctors/bomb the Olympics/shoot up 'liberal' churches: Well, they're just lone wolves, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions and LOOK A MUSLIM!
 
2013-04-24 04:02:54 PM

somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly?


Ummm, perhaps the bombers were of the Islamic faith and acted radically?
 
2013-04-24 04:03:08 PM
Well to be fair, that was Faux News "opinion" rather than "news."  It's where they just come right out and say what they imply 24/7 during the "news."
 
2013-04-24 04:03:11 PM
Troll hard.
Get views.
Get paid.
 
2013-04-24 04:06:25 PM

Magorn: let's even throw a red flag on the "devout" part,  according to the younger brother the pair WERE on their way to NYC when the  firefight happened, but theyweren;t headed up there to plant more bombs, but just to engage in a little celebratory post-bombing clubbing and boozing.  Given the Islamic prohibitions on drinking liquor I wouldn't call this schmuck "devout" either


Interesting - why did they bring along pipe/crock pot bombs and guns then? They seemed pretty well-armed for a night out on the town.

Granted, I've never been clubbing in NYC, maybe this is normal...

Also, it's not that much of a leap to tie these guys to "radical Islam" - it's not like they stopped by an Islamic shop 30 years ago. The younger brother had his religious views listed as "Islam" on his ComradeBook profile. Then there was the article that stated they let the driver go "because he was not American."

*shrug*
 
2013-04-24 04:08:51 PM

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x202]


You may want to google that quote before you use it again, because it wasn't Dawkins that said it.
 
2013-04-24 04:10:15 PM
*clicks link*

*Sees this is part of Fox News Opinions category*

*closes page*

Nope. fark Fox.
 
2013-04-24 04:10:53 PM
FTA: Evil? Yes! Bumblers? Hardly.

Yes. Bumblers. If they had actually known what they were doing, the death toll would've been significantly higher given the density of people at the bombing sites.
 
2013-04-24 04:11:22 PM
FTFA: What it all adds up to, is a media so obsessed with feeling good about themselves, that America can't have a conversation about the dangers of radical Islam.

Because the average American doesn't really know jack shiat about Islam or radical Islam other than they are synonyms for "boogeyman".
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-04-24 04:12:01 PM
Any asshole can "self radicalize" and Fartbongo has nothing to do with it.
 
2013-04-24 04:13:40 PM
Who keeps greening this trollbait?
 
2013-04-24 04:13:48 PM
TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.
 
2013-04-24 04:14:09 PM
Trending in opinions:

1
Media blame America for Boston bombings, ignore ties to radical Islam

2
My favorite memories of President George W. Bush

3
Is Obama already a lame duck?

4
Why weren't Watertown residents told to get their guns?


This country is farking doomed.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-04-24 04:14:10 PM

Kibbler: Well to be fair, that was Faux News "opinion" rather than "news."  It's where they just come right out and say what they imply 24/7 during the "news."


I seriously think it's an FTC problem.  They are falsely advertising their services.  I have no problem with their existence, but being called "Fox News" is wrong.  I've always jokingly said it should be "Fox News Entertainment," but, seriously, they should be called "Fox OpEd" or "Fox Current Events" or something OTHER than news because they are not presenting journalism.
 
2013-04-24 04:15:38 PM
Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.
 
2013-04-24 04:18:21 PM
If you're going to write a douchey Fox news opinion article, please do not invoke the words of George Carlin. He was a far better person than you and would be turning in his grave. Quote Reagan, Ayn Rand, Larry the cable guy, or some other fox prophet but not Carlin.
 
2013-04-24 04:19:12 PM
At this point I would hope viewers of most news outlets would be smart enough to report and educate the masses by explaining the difference between the types of Islam we see each day - the various governments that fuse politics and Islam and other key indicators, such as the specific words for militant or strict Islamists.  It's what, 5 or 6 new words?  What could the media possibly gain by only providing vague, partial, and uninformed information?
Oh?  They're rated #1?  Nevermind.
 
2013-04-24 04:19:50 PM
Boy they are getting a lot of mileage out of these liberal MSM media thing, when they are the mainstream media, maybe the biggest of the participants.
 
2013-04-24 04:20:00 PM

Brick-House: Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.



There's a trail? Where does it start? Where does it stop? Can you show it to me on a map? Do you need boots to hike on this trail? Sounds like a fun trail. But what is an "abortion murder"? And the doctor...is he murdering abortions?
 
2013-04-24 04:20:30 PM

Brick-House: Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.


If only the right-wing had a cable news network that sympathized with their cause and could help get these stories out there.

/realizes this is part of Fox News's business strategy...hell this is part of News Corp's strategy for everything
 
2013-04-24 04:21:31 PM

kidgenius: Brick-House: Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.


There's a trail? Where does it start? Where does it stop? Can you show it to me on a map? Do you need boots to hike on this trail? Sounds like a fun trail. But what is an "abortion murder"? And the doctor...is he murdering abortions?


Sounds like I better bring a poncho for this trail.

/aisle seat please
 
2013-04-24 04:22:02 PM

kidgenius: Brick-House: Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.


There's a trail? Where does it start? Where does it stop? Can you show it to me on a map? Do you need boots to hike on this trail? Sounds like a fun trail. But what is an "abortion murder"? And the doctor...is he murdering abortions?


An abortion murder is where you beat someone to death with an aborted fetus.
 
2013-04-24 04:24:18 PM
That's because the tie to radical Islam is tenuous at best, but the butthurt these guys seem to have felt because they didn't get things handed to them is palpable. They are closer to teabaggers than Al Qaeda.HORSESHIAT. The elder brother went to Russia and got indoctrinated by the radicals there to do this attack. The Russian government warned us he was trouble. This has NOTHING to do with the TEa Party. Nothing. Keep humping that chicken, dude.Right-wing Christian lunatics bomb abortion clinics/murder doctors/bomb the Olympics/shoot up 'liberal' churches: Well, they're just lone wolves, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions and LOOK A MUSLIM!Christian radical attacks are trivial in scope and frequency compared to the Muslim attacks worldwide that happen on a DAILY basis. I'm really getting tired of Farkers equating the two. They are NOT the same.
 
2013-04-24 04:24:23 PM
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To be fair, CNN has kind of floated the idea as well.
 
2013-04-24 04:25:36 PM
Also getting tired of this goddam text editor. WYSIWYG my ass....
 
2013-04-24 04:30:12 PM

Nana's Vibrator: At this point I would hope viewers of most news outlets would be smart enough to report and educate the masses by explaining the difference between the types of Islam we see each day - the various governments that fuse politics and Islam and other key indicators, such as the specific words for militant or strict Islamists.  It's what, 5 or 6 new words?  What could the media possibly gain by only providing vague, partial, and uninformed information?
Oh?  They're rated #1?  Nevermind.


I am dead tired and haven't proofread a post in forever and it continues to show.  For me, at least, since we're all talking to ourselves.  Shut up.  No you shut up.
 
2013-04-24 04:32:14 PM

kidgenius: There's a trail? Where does it start? Where does it stop? Can you show it to me on a map? Do you need boots to hike on this trail? Sounds like a fun trail. But what is an "abortion murder"? And the doctor...is he murdering abortions?


Be nice ... he is obviously educated from Faux News. There's bound to be some short-falls in spelling, grammar, logic, reason, math, science, etc.

When it is "all propaganda all the time" there isn't much time for edumucation.
 
2013-04-24 04:32:32 PM

mark12A: They are NOT the same.


I'm sure that's a comfort to the dead victims of Christian violence.
 
2013-04-24 04:33:25 PM

mark12A: Also getting tired of this goddam text editor. WYSIWYG my ass....


Yeah, I turned it off a while back because of all the problems with it...
 
2013-04-24 04:34:30 PM

Brick-House: Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.


Keep farking that chicken with the "Lamestream Media" bullshiat. How does it feel to be on the wrong side of a losing viewpoint in America?
 
2013-04-24 04:38:01 PM

rkiller1: somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly?

Ummm, perhaps the bombers were of the Islamic faith and acted radically?


One does not mean the other. Just because I'm buddhist and I do something radical, like light people on fire because I have a hankering for BBQ, doesn't make it due to radical Buddhism

Same applies here. Islam was a personal justification, maybe, but they didn't go out killing people because of "Jihad" or 72 virgins. The older brother got pissed that he was isolated in his adoptive country and snubbed for a chance at an olympic boxing match. This is no different than Columbine, but with less "flag wavin' americans" and guns.

/in other words, you're an idiot
 
2013-04-24 04:38:11 PM
Fox News.....keeping 1/2 the country in the dark for the greater good $$$
 
2013-04-24 04:39:09 PM

EyeballKid: Fox News this week: "WE'RE #1 IN RATINGS!!! LIBRUL MEDIA IS DEAD, AND WE DONE KILLED IT!! WE'RE THE MOST TRUSTED NAME IN NEWS!!!! WE'RE EVERYWHERE!!!"

Fox News next week: "OMG THE LIBRUL MEDIAZ IS HOLDING US DOWN!!!! HELP! HELP! WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED!"


Pretty much came here to say this. One moment, they have higher ratings than MSNBC, CNN, and the network news outfits combined, the next moment, they're a niche outfit with hardly any influence on *real* media.
 
2013-04-24 04:39:11 PM
mark12A: They are NOT the same.

TWNG: I'm sure that's a comfort to the dead victims of Christian violence.

WAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO MY PET PEEVE!

I prefer that we pay attention to the big problems before we obsess over the trivial.....
 
2013-04-24 04:40:01 PM
Holy crap! They invoked CARLIN?!

I... I'm very angry about this. Someone go check his grave for a loud "whirring" sound.
 
2013-04-24 04:42:03 PM
Look, can't we just put this all behind us and go back to strafing wedding ceremonies and funerals?
 
2013-04-24 04:43:01 PM

mark12A: WAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO MY PET PEEVE!


Isn't that the entire point of the article?
 
2013-04-24 04:43:01 PM

mark12A: mark12A: They are NOT the same.

TWNG: I'm sure that's a comfort to the dead victims of Christian violence.

WAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO MY PET PEEVE!

I prefer that we pay attention to the big problems before we obsess over the trivial.....


Let me ask you this:

Do you lump all Muslims with these guys in Boston or do you realize that they are a minority of the Muslim population?
 
2013-04-24 04:44:19 PM

mark12A: That's because the tie to radical Islam is tenuous at best, but the butthurt these guys seem to have felt because they didn't get things handed to them is palpable. They are closer to teabaggers than Al Qaeda.HORSESHIAT. The elder brother went to Russia and got indoctrinated by the radicals there to do this attack. The Russian government warned us he was trouble. This has NOTHING to do with the TEa Party. Nothing. Keep humping that chicken, dude.Right-wing Christian lunatics bomb abortion clinics/murder doctors/bomb the Olympics/shoot up 'liberal' churches: Well, they're just lone wolves, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions and LOOK A MUSLIM!Christian radical attacks are trivial in scope and frequency compared to the Muslim attacks worldwide that happen on a DAILY basis. I'm really getting tired of Farkers equating the two. They are NOT the same.


Westboro Baptist Church= All Christians
 
2013-04-24 04:44:27 PM
And the closing sentiment...

As it turns out, it didn't matter. The media just report what they want anyhow.

Really, Fox? REALLY?!
 
2013-04-24 04:45:27 PM

mark12A: WAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO MY PET PEEVE! I prefer that we pay attention to the big problems before we obsess over the trivial.....


You misunderstood. You're saying violence by Christians is not the same as violence by Muslims because it happens less frequently. I'm saying it's exactly the same. If a Christian kills me I'll be just as dead as if a Muslim (or Jew or atheist) kills me.
 
2013-04-24 04:46:22 PM
Hey Fox News, you want to know what two really scary words are?
 FOX NEWS.
 
2013-04-24 04:46:53 PM

Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

[i.imgur.com image 300x202]


You sound like a radical atheist.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-24 04:49:12 PM

mark12A: mark12A: They are NOT the same.

TWNG: I'm sure that's a comfort to the dead victims of Christian violence.

WAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO MY PET PEEVE!

I prefer that we pay attention to the big problems before we obsess over the trivial.....


Yes, extremism is the big problem. The religions involved are irrelevant.
 
2013-04-24 04:50:10 PM

somedude210: rkiller1: somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly?

Ummm, perhaps the bombers were of the Islamic faith and acted radically?

One does not mean the other. Just because I'm buddhist and I do something radical, like light people on fire because I have a hankering for BBQ, doesn't make it due to radical Buddhism

Same applies here. Islam was a personal justification, maybe, but they didn't go out killing people because of "Jihad" or 72 virgins. The older brother got pissed that he was isolated in his adoptive country and snubbed for a chance at an olympic boxing match. This is no different than Columbine, but with less "flag wavin' americans" and guns.

/in other words, you're an idiot


You sound angry (and ignored).  Do try to have a good day.
 
2013-04-24 04:50:50 PM
I wonder why the 'Liberal Media' refuses to harp on the fact that 70% of assualt weapon armed perpetrators of multiple simultaneous homicides are White Christians...

Weird.
 
2013-04-24 04:51:56 PM
This whole thing made no sense. The Chechen cause is nationalist, not religious. The next time the Russians decide to roll into Chechnya, the US will turn a blind eye. These guys did their countrymen a grave disservice by attacking the enemy of their enemy.

So why did they do it? A) They're  a pair of dumb shiats without the wit to know which side their bread is buttered on and B) Chechens in general are nasty farks. They have a track record of attacking elementary schools and movie theaters. The "let's maim some runners" approach is consistent with a general desire to be as nasty and cruel as possible without regard to actually achieving a religious or political goal.
 
2013-04-24 04:53:20 PM

texanjeff: I wonder why the 'Liberal Media' refuses to harp on the fact that 70% of assualt weapon armed perpetrators of multiple simultaneous homicides are White Christians...

Weird.


no no no.  They're just individuals with mental problems.  Unilke those murderin' muslins hussein fartbama
 
2013-04-24 04:54:01 PM

clambam: This whole thing made no sense. The Chechen cause is nationalist, not religious. The next time the Russians decide to roll into Chechnya, the US will turn a blind eye. These guys did their countrymen a grave disservice by attacking the enemy of their enemy.

So why did they do it? A) They're  a pair of dumb shiats without the wit to know which side their bread is buttered on and B) Chechens in general are nasty farks. They have a track record of attacking elementary schools and movie theaters. The "let's maim some runners" approach is consistent with a general desire to be as nasty and cruel as possible without regard to actually achieving a religious or political goal.


C) Their goal wasn't related to being Chechen, Last I heard, it was the brother wanting to "defend" the warped, extreme version of Islam that got him kicked out of a mosque.

Basically, it was because they were both farking nuts.
 
2013-04-24 04:56:21 PM

rkiller1: You sound angry (and ignored).  Do try to have a good day.


farking coward, come back here and give me reasons why this is radical islam, aside from them being Muslim
 
2013-04-24 04:57:50 PM

texanjeff: I wonder why the 'Liberal Media' refuses to harp on the fact that 70% of assualt weapon armed perpetrators of multiple simultaneous homicides are White Christians...

Weird.


Probably because that's not accurate.
 
2013-04-24 04:58:18 PM

genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

[i.imgur.com image 300x202]

You sound like a radical atheist.


[1.bp.blogspot.com image 243x400]


That's pretty funny. But, just for kicks, look up the Eastern Orthodox Church and how they flourished under Communism, especially during and after WWII. He did not persecute the religious clergy per say, but rather replaced those who would not fall in line and manipulate religion for the state's own ends.

At any rate, Stalin was an example of State as Religion.
 
2013-04-24 05:02:11 PM
Good farking grief. This is exactly the reason for David Sirota's article. Because the mouth-breathers are spewing their conformation bias and jizzing all over themselves in a pissing contest to see who can scream "Mooslim terrorists" the loudest.

To be fair, all cable news media and a good deal of social media did a horrible job with shaming and blaming the innocent. But now the same farking douchebags who think background checks for all gun sales are tyranny, and that Fartbongo was going to drone Real 'merikans are ready to throw out the Constitution, treat citizens as "enemy combatants", and hey... maybe those drones aren't so bad after all...amirite, Rand?

Let the pants-wetting and pearl-clutching begin.
 
2013-04-24 05:02:18 PM
For motivation, my money's on the wife (i.e. relationship troubles, not blaming her) being the root cause.  Considering all the pictures I saw of her wherein she was still wearing more traditional Muslim garb, she might have rejected him but not the religion, leading him to... do what he did.  Dumbass younger brother tagged along and as an MIT student probably only so he could do the bomb construction.

I just don't see the marathon being a target other than to hurt people.  Al Quaeda picked the WTC (twice) because it was a political statement, same with the Pentagon and White House.  The last thing I remember from Chechen rebels was the school that was taken over and the Russians took back with extreme force with many civilian losses, but they also were trying to make a political statement.  There really just wasn't a statement involved with this one, just damage done.  If I were a professional/single-time-suicidal-terrorist I would make my statement known and I would go after a specific group  e.g. people who worked at WTC, abortion clinics, a government building, military, etc. not some random come-as-they-may explosion like a marathon open to everyone and it's spectators.  There's just no message here.  And while we have some of the best trauma capabilities in the world at our major hospitals, killing only three while maiming dozens, seems intentional if you're building bombs for a crowded area.

Granted I haven't looked too much into the bombings of London and Madrid so maybe sometimes terrorist organizations just kill random strangers.

Again, ultimately, I think it was marital issues, the guy went nuts and took his kid brother with him.  His religion might have been his excuse but I don't think it was the reason.

/Could be very, very wrong, just speculation
//Not forgiving/trivializing the brother for compliance
///Analysis at least as good as most major news networks
 
2013-04-24 05:02:33 PM

somedude210: rkiller1: You sound angry (and ignored).  Do try to have a good day.

farking coward, come back here and give me reasons why this is radical islam, aside from them being Muslim


quoting just in case he actually ignored you.
 
2013-04-24 05:02:46 PM
Ruslan Tsarni had it right: they are losers who couldn't settle themselves.
 
2013-04-24 05:02:53 PM

hardinparamedic: genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

[i.imgur.com image 300x202]

You sound like a radical atheist.


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That's pretty funny. But, just for kicks, look up the Eastern Orthodox Church and how they flourished under Communism, especially during and after WWII. He did not persecute the religious clergy per say, but rather replaced those who would not fall in line and manipulate religion for the state's own ends.

At any rate, Stalin was an example of State as Religion.


Right......even though he didn't believe in a god he wasn't "your kind" of atheist.
 
2013-04-24 05:03:09 PM
It's all over the CNN homepage. Which liberal media are we talking about?

It seemed to me that Misha had influence on Tamerlan," apparently encouraging him to give up boxing because it "is violent," Khozhgov told CNN's Wolf Blitzer."Tamerlan told me that he quit boxing and music because Misha was teaching that it's not good in Islam to do those things."
"Misha" taught Tsarnaev "things that would make Tamerlan go away from the people and go more into the religion," Khozhgov said, but "I didn't witness him making him radical."
 
2013-04-24 05:05:06 PM

somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly? The older brother got pissy and used religion as a means to an end. He didn't receive teachings from any jihadist imam, he didn't go out and proclaim that Allah's way is the only way. He was a very devote Muslim that did terrible things but one did not cause the other.

You've got a legitimate issue with his mental stability, that's good, we all have questions about his stability, but if you're going to blame radical Islam as reason for the bombings, than you're an idiot and don't actually care about the real reasons for it, you just want to kill brown people because they're different than you.

/assholes


Yeah, no ties at all...Besides them stating it was due to islam, they were disgusted with western culture and didn't get it, and the whole al quada published magazine they read to get the ideas of how to make the bombs, but besides all of that proof there was NO ties to radical islam..
 
2013-04-24 05:06:42 PM
FTFA:

Dan Gainor is the Boone Pickens Fellow and the Media Research Center's Vice President for Business and Culture

In other words, an incompetent boob.
 
2013-04-24 05:08:24 PM

cretinbob: mark12A: That's because the tie to radical Islam is tenuous at best, but the butthurt these guys seem to have felt because they didn't get things handed to them is palpable. They are closer to teabaggers than Al Qaeda.HORSESHIAT. The elder brother went to Russia and got indoctrinated by the radicals there to do this attack. The Russian government warned us he was trouble. This has NOTHING to do with the TEa Party. Nothing. Keep humping that chicken, dude.Right-wing Christian lunatics bomb abortion clinics/murder doctors/bomb the Olympics/shoot up 'liberal' churches: Well, they're just lone wolves, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions and LOOK A MUSLIM!Christian radical attacks are trivial in scope and frequency compared to the Muslim attacks worldwide that happen on a DAILY basis. I'm really getting tired of Farkers equating the two. They are NOT the same.

Westboro Baptist Church= All Christians


You do know that westboro has not blown anyone or anything up or killed anyone, right?
 
2013-04-24 05:08:34 PM
You notice that the first thing the Faux news/tea baggers always say is "it couldn't have been because of anything the U.S. did in another country. STOP BLAMING AMERICA!"

When I heard about the bombing, my first thought was that it could be someone whose innocent family was killed by a U.S. drone. Why is that so impossible? I know it's not what happened here, but in Faux news tea bagger land, it's impossible and to even suggest it means that you hate America.

Responsible news organizations are waiting for actual information that might explain why these two set off bombs at the marathon. Faux news is upset that everyone else isn't yelling about Islam. They are going to lose their minds if the one who is still alive says it had nothing to do with Islam. But of course that will be Obama covering it up for his Islamic controllers.
 
2013-04-24 05:12:21 PM
Religious rightwing terrorists are nasty and should be jailed for life.

/Religious
//Rightwing
///Terrorists
////And FoxNews
 
2013-04-24 05:16:20 PM
 Ok I'm cool with this. So long as we treat instances of "ChristoFacsist" terrorist equally.
I've just noticed that when it happens to be a christian carrying out an act of terrorism the right is very quick to point out that they not only do not represent christians but are, in fact, not christian because of their actions. Of course you put any other religion in the same situation and they instantly flip to the mirror opposite of that argument.

hypnozombie
 
2013-04-24 05:16:36 PM

Phins: When I heard about the bombing, my first thought was that it could be someone whose innocent family was killed by a U.S. drone. Why is that so impossible?


If a family member of mine dies from a drone attack back home in a country that borders Russia, I'm going to suspect Russia.

This is like finding out your grandmother was raped in Nanking 70 years ago and deciding it was probably a US Marine because of what goes on in Okinawa.
 
2013-04-24 05:17:49 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: In the week following the terror attack on the Boston Marathon, lefties and their media clones have been desperate to point out the attack had nothing to do with those two scary words. After all, journalists and pundits have had time to reflect on the bombing - from the safety of their posh offices and not Boston's crowded hospitals. The brothers were just poor and misunderstood. It can't be their fault.


Seriously.  Has ANYONE been reporting that?  Or is this just more Fox bullshiat completely made up out of whole cloth?


I watch leftie TV almost exclusively.  Nobody has been reporting that.

Or, YES.
 
2013-04-24 05:19:33 PM

ProdigalSigh: For motivation, my money's on the wife (i.e. relationship troubles, not blaming her) being the root cause.  Considering all the pictures I saw of her wherein she was still wearing more traditional Muslim garb, she might have rejected him but not the religion, leading him to... do what he did.  Dumbass younger brother tagged along and as an MIT student probably only so he could do the bomb construction.


first off, younger brother was a Umass Dartmouth student (my alma mater), secondly the older brother was a very good boxer from what's been said (3 time gold glove winner) and wanted to compete in the olympics. It's not out of the realm of possibility that this was a symbolic attack to him for being snubbed for that chance at the olympics. Why else bomb the finish line and not the start? Why else would you bomb something that most of these people have been training for for years? Dude had inferiority issues.

atomicmask: Yeah, no ties at all...Besides them stating it was due to islam, they were disgusted with western culture and didn't get it, and the whole al quada published magazine they read to get the ideas of how to make the bombs, but besides all of that proof there was NO ties to radical islam..


The older brother had very much been isolated before getting heavily into Islam. He despised our celebrating of material gluttony. He also had no friends and was snubbed a chance to compete on the world stage to represent America at the Olympics. Now, if you have no friends, no more connection to a place, your dreams all dashed, you'd feel pretty on edge, would you not? The guy was completely isolated. The motives for the attack, the symbolism, it was all a big "fark you" to the people that wronged him. Islam can be used as a reason after the fact, but there's nothing that has him proclaiming that Allah is great and he dies for Allah. He did this because he's a lonely motherfarker with a wife and kid and nothing else.

His baby brother got in on it because he supported his brother, but he was as lapse a Muslim as you could find. Both partied hard, the younger one was a massive stoner. There is more actual evidence pointing to the motives being based in the older brother's increasing sense of isolation and persecution.

but hey, let's rachet up the persecution of a religion and people you don't understand. It's not like it'll bite you in the ass later, right?

/oh and the bomb making article? yeah, white supremacists cite it as a resource to make bombs too.
//what was your point again?
 
2013-04-24 05:19:47 PM

insano: If you're going to write a douchey Fox news opinion article, please do not invoke the words of George Carlin. He was a far better person than you and would be turning in his grave. Quote Reagan, Ayn Rand, Larry the cable guy, or some other fox prophet but not Carlin.


Thank you for saying that, faith in fark has increased.
 
2013-04-24 05:20:10 PM

aspAddict: Then there was the article that stated they let the driver go


I am currently sitting next to three naturalized citizens. Two from Taiwan, one from Thailand. One of them has an accent that is almost impenetrable. But she is still a citizen.

How would the bomber know that the Chinese guy in the SUV wasn't American?


aspAddict: Also, it's not that much of a leap to tie these guys to "radical Islam"


They weren't dressed in proper Islamic clothing.
They didn't have the proper facial hair.
They alegedly drank alcohol and ignored several other basic prohibitions of their faith.

They weren't fundamentalist or radical.
What they were was angry.

They perceived that their self-identifed "community" was, rightly or wrongly, under attack by the "other", and they wanted to inflict damage on the "other" for revenge.

It's a basic, common motivation for humans, and one that the US has consistently reacted with shock to when we experience blowback from it.

The attempted underwear bomber:

"I had an agreement with at least one person to attack the United States in retaliation for US support of Israel and in retaliation of the killing of innocent and civilian Muslim populations in Palestine, especially in the blockade of Gaza, and in retaliation for the killing of innocent and civilian Muslim populations in Yemen, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan and beyond, most of them women, children, and noncombatants."

 
2013-04-24 05:20:12 PM

busy chillin': somedude210: rkiller1: You sound angry (and ignored).  Do try to have a good day.

farking coward, come back here and give me reasons why this is radical islam, aside from them being Muslim

quoting just in case he actually ignored you.


I've been ignored for worse.
 
2013-04-24 05:20:53 PM

atomicmask: cretinbob: mark12A: That's because the tie to radical Islam is tenuous at best, but the butthurt these guys seem to have felt because they didn't get things handed to them is palpable. They are closer to teabaggers than Al Qaeda.HORSESHIAT. The elder brother went to Russia and got indoctrinated by the radicals there to do this attack. The Russian government warned us he was trouble. This has NOTHING to do with the TEa Party. Nothing. Keep humping that chicken, dude.Right-wing Christian lunatics bomb abortion clinics/murder doctors/bomb the Olympics/shoot up 'liberal' churches: Well, they're just lone wolves, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions and LOOK A MUSLIM!Christian radical attacks are trivial in scope and frequency compared to the Muslim attacks worldwide that happen on a DAILY basis. I'm really getting tired of Farkers equating the two. They are NOT the same.

Westboro Baptist Church= All Christians

You do know that westboro has not blown anyone or anything up or killed anyone, right?


True. But Eric Rudolph did.

So using your standards:

Eric Rudolph = All Christians

Or are you willing to admit that there are decent muslims out there like there are decent christians, decent jews, etc.
 
2013-04-24 05:21:26 PM
Phins: When I heard about the bombing, my first thought was that it could be someone whose innocent family was killed by a U.S. drone. Why is that so impossible?

vygramul: If a family member of mine dies from a drone attack back home in a country that borders Russia, I'm going to suspect Russia.
This is like finding out your grandmother was raped in Nanking 70 years ago and deciding it was probably a US Marine because of what goes on in Okinawa.


I thought that before we knew they were Russian, when we had no idea who did it. I thought maybe it's somebody upset about a U.S. drone hitting his village/family and wanted to say "this is what it's like" to people in the U.S.
 
2013-04-24 05:21:54 PM

Phins: When I heard about the bombing, my first thought was that it could be someone whose innocent family was killed by a U.S. drone.


Really, that was your first thought? Sounds like you're looking for an excuse to make a connection.
 
2013-04-24 05:23:23 PM
Yes, extremism is the big problem.

No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.
 
2013-04-24 05:23:46 PM
i37.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-24 05:24:04 PM

rkiller1: somedude210: rkiller1: somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly?

Ummm, perhaps the bombers were of the Islamic faith and acted radically?

One does not mean the other. Just because I'm buddhist and I do something radical, like light people on fire because I have a hankering for BBQ, doesn't make it due to radical Buddhism

Same applies here. Islam was a personal justification, maybe, but they didn't go out killing people because of "Jihad" or 72 virgins. The older brother got pissed that he was isolated in his adoptive country and snubbed for a chance at an olympic boxing match. This is no different than Columbine, but with less "flag wavin' americans" and guns.

/in other words, you're an idiot

You sound angry (and ignored).  Do try to have a good day.


Holy crap. You're the whinest little princess I've seen in a long time.
 
2013-04-24 05:24:52 PM

atomicmask: You do know that westboro has not blown anyone or anything up or killed anyone, right?


I was wondering when you'd show up, oh champion of genocide against Arabs and people of Islamic faith.
 
2013-04-24 05:26:14 PM

Phins: Phins: When I heard about the bombing, my first thought was that it could be someone whose innocent family was killed by a U.S. drone. Why is that so impossible?

vygramul: If a family member of mine dies from a drone attack back home in a country that borders Russia, I'm going to suspect Russia.
This is like finding out your grandmother was raped in Nanking 70 years ago and deciding it was probably a US Marine because of what goes on in Okinawa.

I thought that before we knew they were Russian, when we had no idea who did it. I thought maybe it's somebody upset about a U.S. drone hitting his village/family and wanted to say "this is what it's like" to people in the U.S.


Ah, good point. Not unreasonable, I guess, although I really gotta wonder how someone knows they got hit by a drone as opposed to some other platform.
 
2013-04-24 05:28:16 PM

hardinparamedic: genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

[i.imgur.com image 300x202]

You sound like a radical atheist.


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That's pretty funny. But, just for kicks, look up the Eastern Orthodox Church and how they flourished under Communism, especially during and after WWII. He did not persecute the religious clergy per say, but rather replaced those who would not fall in line and manipulate religion for the state's own ends.

At any rate, Stalin was an example of State as Religion.


You can't have it both ways. Marx clearly stated that religion was the "opiate of the people" in his political philosophy on which Stalin and Mao based the most extreme genocides in the history of the planet. The causes of terrorism and other social ills lie within the disturbed psyches of Homo sapiens and religious or political conflict is merely a symptom of that.
 
2013-04-24 05:30:14 PM

scott88008: hardinparamedic: genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

[i.imgur.com image 300x202]

You sound like a radical atheist.


[1.bp.blogspot.com image 243x400]

That's pretty funny. But, just for kicks, look up the Eastern Orthodox Church and how they flourished under Communism, especially during and after WWII. He did not persecute the religious clergy per say, but rather replaced those who would not fall in line and manipulate religion for the state's own ends.

At any rate, Stalin was an example of State as Religion.

You can't have it both ways. Marx clearly stated that religion was the "opiate of the people" in his political philosophy on which Stalin and Mao based the most extreme genocides in the history of the planet. The causes of terrorism and other social ills lie within the disturbed psyches of Homo sapiens and religious or political conflict is merely a symptom of that.


Yeah, the idea that Communism was just state replacing religion is a severe misunderstanding of Marx.
 
2013-04-24 05:30:29 PM

fireclown: [static01.mediaite.com image 300x197]
To be fair, CNN has kind of floated the idea as well.


It wasn't just CNN...but don't get in the way of the farkhate of Fox, global warming nonbelievers or Trayvon Martin's killer.

I can't believe one of the earlier posters compared the T-bros to the TEA party in one of the Boobiess.  Again, it don't recall a single act of violence at a TEA Party rally or convention.
 
2013-04-24 05:32:04 PM

mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.


why...it's like you see all muslims as killers simply because they are muslim. Could it be that our country and our media is trying their damndest to dehumanize a population of the world so that it goes down easier when we start killing them for money or resources?

Christians do do horrible things in the name of christ. You also need to remember that the epicenter of the Muslim world (Middle east) is more or less the focal point of western aggression. We specifically target Muslims for extra frisking at airports because we've developed a fear of them that has no basis in reality.

Every domestic terrorist attack in the country, barring the Boston attack, was carried out by christians. You know why? Because Christians make up a majority of the population here. The Norway shooting/bombing a couple years back? That was a radical christian.

We have Christians kill and maim everyday in this country, we just don't make a stink about their religion because most of the country is Christian so it's "probably a mental disorder they're suffering"
 
2013-04-24 05:32:06 PM

genner: hardinparamedic: genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

[i.imgur.com image 300x202]

You sound like a radical atheist.


[1.bp.blogspot.com image 243x400]

That's pretty funny. But, just for kicks, look up the Eastern Orthodox Church and how they flourished under Communism, especially during and after WWII. He did not persecute the religious clergy per say, but rather replaced those who would not fall in line and manipulate religion for the state's own ends.

At any rate, Stalin was an example of State as Religion.

Right......even though he didn't believe in a god he wasn't "your kind" of atheist.


No, he didn't use atheism as a cause. He used it as a tool. Stalin wasn't killing people because the Great Atheismo would reward him with 72 scientists, he did it because they wouldn't obey the state he set up. Removing religion was necessary to replace it with what was effectively state worship. See how that works?
 
2013-04-24 05:32:09 PM

mark12A: Yes, extremism is the big problem.

No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.


Not sure if racist or just retarded.
 
2013-04-24 05:33:44 PM

Brick-House: Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.


"Conditions in illegal abortion clinics are horrific" doesn't "mesh with the left's view of the world?"  Since when?

Ten thousand  outlaw clinics will spring up within 24 hours of a total ban on abortion.
 
2013-04-24 05:34:51 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: In the week following the terror attack on the Boston Marathon, lefties and their media clones have been desperate to point out the attack had nothing to do with those two scary words. After all, journalists and pundits have had time to reflect on the bombing - from the safety of their posh offices and not Boston's crowded hospitals. The brothers were just poor and misunderstood. It can't be their fault.


Seriously.  Has ANYONE been reporting that?  Or is this just more Fox bullshiat completely made up out of whole cloth?


If all you watch is fox, which is true for a lot of their viewers, you have no way to know what is being said elsewhere aside from what fox tells you.
 
2013-04-24 05:36:32 PM

Pitabred:
No, he didn't use atheism as a cause. He used it as a tool.


I would agree Stalin only used Atheism as a tool the way that Hitler only used Christianity as a tool. Communism quite explicitly demands the elimination of religion. Marx effectively stated that the two cannot coexist.
 
2013-04-24 05:38:20 PM

Sgt Otter: Brick-House: Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.

"Conditions in illegal abortion clinics are horrific" doesn't "mesh with the left's view of the world?"  Since when?

Ten thousand  outlaw clinics will spring up within 24 hours of a total ban on abortion.


Ten thousand?

Only if you count each of these as a clinic:

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-04-24 05:39:20 PM

somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly? The older brother got pissy and used religion as a means to an end. He didn't receive teachings from any jihadist imam, he didn't go out and proclaim that Allah's way is the only way. He was a very devote Muslim that did terrible things but one did not cause the other.

You've got a legitimate issue with his mental stability, that's good, we all have questions about his stability, but if you're going to blame radical Islam as reason for the bombings, than you're an idiot and don't actually care about the real reasons for it, you just want to kill brown people because they're different than you.

/assholes


Clearly you are an idiot and part of the PC police. Maybe you should start with the fact he read jihadist websites and magazines, then follow that up with his mother today yelling "AAAAhblablbah Akbhar!". Take your BS to some other country.
 
2013-04-24 05:41:06 PM

russsssman: somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly? The older brother got pissy and used religion as a means to an end. He didn't receive teachings from any jihadist imam, he didn't go out and proclaim that Allah's way is the only way. He was a very devote Muslim that did terrible things but one did not cause the other.

You've got a legitimate issue with his mental stability, that's good, we all have questions about his stability, but if you're going to blame radical Islam as reason for the bombings, than you're an idiot and don't actually care about the real reasons for it, you just want to kill brown people because they're different than you.

/assholes

Clearly you are an idiot and part of the PC police. Maybe you should start with the fact he read jihadist websites and magazines, then follow that up with his mother today yelling "AAAAhblablbah Akbhar!". Take your BS to some other country.


This post was helpful because now we all know that we can safely never listen to anything you say on any topic ever again.

Thank you.
 
2013-04-24 05:41:28 PM
i.imgur.com

Tea-Bagger Tabby enjoys drinking your tears.
 
2013-04-24 05:42:13 PM

justtray: mark12A: Yes, extremism is the big problem.

No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.

Not sure if racist or just retarded.



Muslims: Not a race.
Christians: Not a race.
 
2013-04-24 05:42:27 PM
 We specifically target Muslims for extra frisking at airports because we've developed a fear of them that has no basis in reality.

Are you out of your mind? 9/11? Shoe bomber? Underwear bomber?? No basis in reality? Really?
 
2013-04-24 05:42:43 PM

Richard Freckle: insano: If you're going to write a douchey Fox news opinion article, please do not invoke the words of George Carlin. He was a far better person than you and would be turning in his grave. Quote Reagan, Ayn Rand, Larry the cable guy, or some other fox prophet but not Carlin.

Thank you for saying that, faith in fark has increased.


Much obliged. Anything I can do to protect the misappropriation of Carlin's words.
 
2013-04-24 05:42:47 PM
While I was on an eliptical, I was stuck with watching Shep insinuate it was a Saudi Arabian guy for half an hour.  He was spinning it that since the authority figures didn't want to talk to them about it that it meant they were correct.
 
2013-04-24 05:43:10 PM
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-24 05:45:24 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 550x413]

Tea-Bagger Tabby enjoys drinking your tears.


Oh, Jesus, PLEASE stop trying to be clever. It's really not something you can fake. Get Dennis Miller to write your jokes, but don't try to do it on your own.
 
2013-04-24 05:47:43 PM

LordJiro: Right-wing Christian lunatics bomb abortion clinics/murder doctors/bomb the Olympics/shoot up 'liberal' churches: Well, they're just lone wolves, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions and LOOK A MUSLIM!


lol. As if the left doesn't blame the entire right when such things happen. If you guys can be hypocrites, then why shouldn't we?

/I don't think all muslims are the same
//I also don't think your argument is very convincing.
 
2013-04-24 05:48:33 PM
if law enforcement wanted us to know why these shiatheads did it they would tell us what surviving shiathead tells them when asked "Why?". good luck with that. meanwhile y'all enjoy pissing in the fan.
 
2013-04-24 05:49:06 PM

Amos Quito: justtray: mark12A: Yes, extremism is the big problem.

No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.

Not sure if racist or just retarded.


Muslims: Not a race.
Christians: Not a race.


I shouldn't have to clarify, and I know you're being overly pedantic, but;

Muslims = brown
Christians = white

Is the popular misunderstanding. Though much of Asia is also Christian and the beheadings done in christ's name in places like east Timor were/are pretty gruesome
 
2013-04-24 05:51:19 PM
Just remember, "main stream media" is just code for "New York liberal" which is what they call Jews when they're worried Jews might hear them.
 
2013-04-24 05:51:31 PM

justtray: Amos Quito: justtray: mark12A: Yes, extremism is the big problem.

No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.

Not sure if racist or just retarded.


Muslims: Not a race.
Christians: Not a race.

I shouldn't have to clarify, and I know you're being overly pedantic, but;

Muslims = brown
Christians = white

Is the popular misunderstanding. Though much of Asia is also Christian and the beheadings done in christ's name in places like east Timor were/are pretty gruesome


Exactly this. Just look at all the teatards who immediately said, "HAHA! BOSTON BOMBERS AREN'T WHITE LIKE YOU LIBBYS WANTED!" when they found out they were Muslim.

/I just use "bigot" instead of "racist" as a prophylactic against this kind of selective pedantry
 
2013-04-24 05:52:13 PM

umad: ol. As if the left doesn't blame the entire right when such things happen. If you guys can be hypocrites, then why shouldn't we?


You're not blaming the left. You're blaming Muslims.
 
2013-04-24 05:52:45 PM

russsssman: Clearly you are an idiot and part of the PC police. Maybe you should start with the fact he read jihadist websites and magazines, then follow that up with his mother today yelling "AAAAhblablbah Akbhar!". Take your BS to some other country.


I read about buddhists that tried to take down the shogunate in japan, does that mean I should be interred for the remainder of my years for "radical buddhism"? So his mother said "god is great" do you say "god bless you" to strangers? Or "oh dear christ"? both are religious sentiments, so too is "allah akbar"

your ignorance for other cultures, for other people in this world, is what makes you come off as a dumb bigot. Well, that or you probably are just a dumbass bigot. You're digging into nothing to find shiat to throw at these two, despite the evidence making little if any connection to what you're touting as "the smoking gun"

get the fark out of my country. We have no need for your intolerance of man
 
2013-04-24 05:53:54 PM
AdolfOliverPantiesIn the week following the terror attack on the Boston Marathon, lefties and their media clones have been desperate to point out the attack had nothing to do with those two scary words. After all, journalists and pundits have had time to reflect on the bombing - from the safety of their posh offices and not Boston's crowded hospitals. The brothers were just poor and misunderstood. It can't be their fault.

Seriously.  Has ANYONE been reporting that?  Or is this just more Fox bullshiat completely made up out of whole cloth?


Not just FOX but hard core Conservatives in general have been throwing out this line.  As a group those Conservatives like to throw shiat out in regard to accusations against various groups, but whine like little pussies when a small portion of what they throw gets thrown back at them.
 
2013-04-24 05:54:40 PM

impaler: umad: ol. As if the left doesn't blame the entire right when such things happen. If you guys can be hypocrites, then why shouldn't we?

You're not blaming the left. You're blaming Muslims.


to them, its the same thing apparently
 
2013-04-24 05:54:45 PM

vygramul: justtray: Amos Quito: justtray: mark12A: Yes, extremism is the big problem.

No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.

Not sure if racist or just retarded.


Muslims: Not a race.
Christians: Not a race.

I shouldn't have to clarify, and I know you're being overly pedantic, but;

Muslims = brown
Christians = white

Is the popular misunderstanding. Though much of Asia is also Christian and the beheadings done in christ's name in places like east Timor were/are pretty gruesome

Exactly this. Just look at all the teatards who immediately said, "HAHA! BOSTON BOMBERS AREN'T WHITE LIKE YOU LIBBYS WANTED!" when they found out they were Muslim.

/I just use "bigot" instead of "racist" as a prophylactic against this kind of selective pedantry


Yes I should have used bigot, and I should have expected the pedantic response as well. Fark, after all

Anyway, point stands. At least someone gets it
 
2013-04-24 05:56:09 PM
b-b-but Eric Rudolph? Oh please get bent.

For the past 20 years in America:

Abortionists murdered - 9
People killed by postmen - 22
People killed playing youth league baseball - 72
People killed by lightning - 821

Please find a better strawman.
 
2013-04-24 05:56:11 PM
d1o2xrel38nv1n.cloudfront.net

TODAY'S UPDATE:

Over 30 killed in violence across Iraq


/Sure glad we freed 'em!
 
2013-04-24 05:59:06 PM

somedude210: impaler: umad: ol. As if the left doesn't blame the entire right when such things happen. If you guys can be hypocrites, then why shouldn't we?

You're not blaming the left. You're blaming Muslims.

to them, its the same thing apparently


Even though Conservative Muslims and Conservative Christians share a lot in common, including the same god.

/ducks
 
2013-04-24 06:01:20 PM

letrole: b-b-but Eric Rudolph? Oh please get bent.

For the past 20 years in America:

Abortionists murdered - 9
People killed by postmen - 22
People killed playing youth league baseball - 72
People killed by lightning - 821

Please find a better strawman.


Timothy McVeigh? He killed ~130something people, injuring ~300 more.
atlanta bombing - 2
newtown - 26
sikh temple -20?
we've had 1,020,000 deaths by guns in 2010. A majority of those were committed by christians, therefore they should be counted alongside those random acts of violence across the world committed by muslims, right?
 
2013-04-24 06:02:24 PM

Mrtraveler01: Even though Conservative Muslims and Conservative Christians share a lot in common, including the same god.

/ducks


all abrahamic religions follow for the most part the same lore (old testament), the new books (new testament) are what varies (jesus and allah, jews have nothing)
 
2013-04-24 06:02:25 PM

genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

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You sound like a radical atheist.


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Roight, guv.  A system that sets up Dear Leader as a god is atheist.
 
2013-04-24 06:05:25 PM

scott88008: You can't have it both ways. Marx clearly stated that religion was the "opiate of the people"


In the 1860's, opium was a medical anesthetic. Marx wasn't comparing it to drug abuse.
 
2013-04-24 06:11:10 PM
Mrtraveler01:

somedude210: impaler: umad: ol. As if the left doesn't blame the entire right when such things happen. If you guys can be hypocrites, then why shouldn't we?

You're not blaming the left. You're blaming Muslims.

to them, its the same thing apparently

Even though Conservative Muslims and Conservative Christians share a lot in common, including the same god.

/ducks


Dude... The PC term is "judeo-christian," not "Abrahamic." The former is properly exclusive of Islam, the latter implies that they might be from the same faith. NEVER EVER admit that.
 
2013-04-24 06:11:38 PM
FTFA: "The Brothers Tsarnaev have set media tongues a-wagging looking for someone to blame other than Muslims - like Americans....It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact."

Wow. So by his own definition there are no "American Muslims." I wonder how his Muslim neighbors would take that.
 
2013-04-24 06:11:39 PM

somedude210: ProdigalSigh: For motivation, my money's on the wife (i.e. relationship troubles, not blaming her) being the root cause.  Considering all the pictures I saw of her wherein she was still wearing more traditional Muslim garb, she might have rejected him but not the religion, leading him to... do what he did.  Dumbass younger brother tagged along and as an MIT student probably only so he could do the bomb construction.

first off, younger brother was a Umass Dartmouth student (my alma mater), secondly the older brother was a very good boxer from what's been said (3 time gold glove winner) and wanted to compete in the olympics. It's not out of the realm of possibility that this was a symbolic attack to him for being snubbed for that chance at the olympics. Why else bomb the finish line and not the start? Why else would you bomb something that most of these people have been training for for years? Dude had inferiority issues.

atomicmask: Yeah, no ties at all...Besides them stating it was due to islam, they were disgusted with western culture and didn't get it, and the whole al quada published magazine they read to get the ideas of how to make the bombs, but besides all of that proof there was NO ties to radical islam..

The older brother had very much been isolated before getting heavily into Islam. He despised our celebrating of material gluttony. He also had no friends and was snubbed a chance to compete on the world stage to represent America at the Olympics. Now, if you have no friends, no more connection to a place, your dreams all dashed, you'd feel pretty on edge, would you not? The guy was completely isolated. The motives for the attack, the symbolism, it was all a big "fark you" to the people that wronged him. Islam can be used as a reason after the fact, but there's nothing that has him proclaiming that Allah is great and he dies for Allah. He did this because he's a lonely motherfarker with a wife and kid and nothing else.

His baby brother got in on it becau ...


No, I wouldn't, because im not a whiny twat muslim. I would try to make friends, try to adjust, adapt, and overcome my problems.

Everything you said sounds like excuses for islam. It wasn't that he was infatuated with his islamic culture, it was that he was persecuted and excluded from ours! It wasn't that he gave up boxing because momma carpet bower said it wasn't islamic, it was because we didn't bend over backwards and let him on the olympic team! IT MUST BE OUR FAULT, NOT HIS!

fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.
 
2013-04-24 06:11:52 PM

Hickory-smoked: scott88008: You can't have it both ways. Marx clearly stated that religion was the "opiate of the people"

In the 1860's, opium was a medical anesthetic. Marx wasn't comparing it to drug abuse.


Indeed. Although Marx wrote A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right in 1843, not the 1860s.
 
2013-04-24 06:12:01 PM

vygramul: Sgt Otter: Brick-House: Thankfully, there are other ways to get the word out.  But of course, suubby is missing the point.  This like the Abortion Murder Doctor Trail is not being acurrately covered by the main stream media because it doesn't mesh with the left's view of the world.

The main stream media has an "Ignore it, and it will go away" mentatiality when it comes to issues like this. And the list is long on stories that do not recieve adequate coverage.

"Conditions in illegal abortion clinics are horrific" doesn't "mesh with the left's view of the world?"  Since when?

Ten thousand  outlaw clinics will spring up within 24 hours of a total ban on abortion.

Ten thousand?

Only if you count each of these as a clinic:

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To be fair, the plastic ones are tough to wriggle inside and aren't nearly as good at puncturing the placenta....
 
2013-04-24 06:13:28 PM

somedude210: first off, younger brother was a Umass Dartmouth student (my alma mater), secondly the older brother was a very good boxer from what's been said (3 time gold glove winner) and wanted to compete in the olympics. It's not out of the realm of possibility that this was a symbolic attack to him for being snubbed for that chance at the olympics. Why else bomb the finish line and not the start? Why else would you bomb something that most of these people have been training for for years? Dude had inferiority issues.


My mistake on getting the school wrong, but aren't you essentially agreeing with me?
 
2013-04-24 06:15:09 PM

impaler: umad: ol. As if the left doesn't blame the entire right when such things happen. If you guys can be hypocrites, then why shouldn't we?

You're not blaming the left. You're blaming Muslims.


I'm not blaming anybody but the bombers, just like I don't blame anybody but the shooter in a mass shooting. You see, I am consistent in my beliefs. This was my point. Most of you whiners will be doing exactly what you are preaching against come the next shooting thread.

Lumping people into stereotypes by their religious beliefs is no different than doing it by their political beliefs.
 
2013-04-24 06:15:29 PM

atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.


I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.
 
2013-04-24 06:16:26 PM

genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

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You sound like a radical atheist.


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Stalin and atheism?  Yea...not so much as the religious right would have you believe.
Might want to check wikipedia first.
 
2013-04-24 06:18:08 PM

mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.


upload.wikimedia.org

I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.
 
2013-04-24 06:19:38 PM

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.


I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.
 
2013-04-24 06:20:08 PM
If a dog, that has been mistreated and brutally beaten by his master for all his life, escapes onto the street and kills a kid, who do you blame?
 
2013-04-24 06:21:03 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.


The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.
 
2013-04-24 06:21:18 PM

Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

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I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.


Don't cloud the issues with the facts.
 
2013-04-24 06:21:43 PM

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.


The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.
 
2013-04-24 06:23:08 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.


In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.
 
2013-04-24 06:25:43 PM
 
2013-04-24 06:25:53 PM

aspAddict: Magorn: let's even throw a red flag on the "devout" part,  according to the younger brother the pair WERE on their way to NYC when the  firefight happened, but theyweren;t headed up there to plant more bombs, but just to engage in a little celebratory post-bombing clubbing and boozing.  Given the Islamic prohibitions on drinking liquor I wouldn't call this schmuck "devout" either

Interesting - why did they bring along pipe/crock pot bombs and guns then? They seemed pretty well-armed for a night out on the town.

Granted, I've never been clubbing in NYC, maybe this is normal...

Also, it's not that much of a leap to tie these guys to "radical Islam" - it's not like they stopped by an Islamic shop 30 years ago. The younger brother had his religious views listed as "Islam" on his ComradeBook profile. Then there was the article that stated they let the driver go "because he was not American."

*shrug*


By that argument, I'd be a "radical Protestant" if I happened to murder a Jew in a road rage incident.
 
2013-04-24 06:26:01 PM

Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x540]

I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.


Oh are we keeping tally? Lets look at islam!

Rape of coptic christians in egypt? This month.

Murder of coptic christians in egypt? this month.

Arrest of atheist and imprisonment in singapore just for being an atheist? this year

Boston bombing?

countless stoning of women for being raped in saudi arabia.

Forceable conversion of men and women in Brittian including a child sex ring? This year.

Do I really need to go on?
 
2013-04-24 06:26:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.


Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.
 
2013-04-24 06:29:04 PM
letrole: b-b-but Eric Rudolph? Oh please get bent.

somedude210: Timothy McVeigh? He killed ~130something people, injuring ~300 more.
atlanta bombing - 2
newtown - 26
sikh temple -20?
we've had 1,020,000 deaths by guns in 2010. A majority of those were committed by christians, therefore they should be counted alongside those random acts of violence across the world committed by muslims, right?



Timothy McVeigh was agnostic at best. His motivations were anti-government lunacy, not religious.

The Atlanta bombing was the work of Eric Rudolph.

The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was a maladjusted nutcase who apparently...

Pardon me, I just realised there's no need for me to re-assert my postion, since you've done such an excellent job already.
 
2013-04-24 06:29:06 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.

Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.


Which clearly represents the majority of all Muslims in America right?
 
2013-04-24 06:30:03 PM

atomicmask: No, I wouldn't, because im not a whiny twat muslim. I would try to make friends, try to adjust, adapt, and overcome my problems.

Everything you said sounds like excuses for islam. It wasn't that he was infatuated with his islamic culture, it was that he was persecuted and excluded from ours! It wasn't that he gave up boxing because momma carpet bower said it wasn't islamic, it was because we didn't bend over backwards and let him on the olympic team! IT MUST BE OUR FAULT, NOT HIS!

fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.


If you honestly stick your neck out there and try to make friends and they reject you (as humans often do) then do you not have some sort of legitimacy in being pissed that you're trying and yet they still won't accept you?

Not once did I say that it was our fault. I never apologized for the bombing, I never said we deserved it. I said that the links between what happened and radical islam are non existent at best. I said that you trying to link the two was a whole lot of bullshiat because nothing connects the two outside of  maybe circumstantial evidence (he may have gone to a website about bomb making, which happens to be published by AQ. Btw, did you know that White Supremacists link to said bomb making article too? Are they radical Islamics as well?)

The two of them committed a terrible act, but your reasoning for why they did it is unfounded or goes in the face of all the evidence to the contrary put out there. The guy had dreams and had them crushed, you'd be pissed too if someone crushed your dreams without regard for you. I doubt (or at least hope) you wouldn't start killing people, but this guy thought otherwise and his brother was stupid enough to sympathize enough to join him.

islam is not an inherently bad religion, which you'd understand if you bothered to look at history instead of picking and choosing which sections to know about.

the world needs less of your kind, because your kind breeds ignorance, fear and hatred, all of which come back to kill innocents and make you double down on your stupidity and fear.

/in other words, up yours
 
2013-04-24 06:32:44 PM

letrole: The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was a maladjusted nutcase who apparently...


even maladjusted nutcases have religion. Isn't that the basis for your hatred of Islam?
 
2013-04-24 06:33:06 PM

enricofermi: It's all over the CNN homepage. Which liberal media are we talking about?

It seemed to me that Misha had influence on Tamerlan," apparently encouraging him to give up boxing because it "is violent," Khozhgov told CNN's Wolf Blitzer."Tamerlan told me that he quit boxing and music because Misha was teaching that it's not good in Islam to do those things."
"Misha" taught Tsarnaev "things that would make Tamerlan go away from the people and go more into the religion," Khozhgov said, but "I didn't witness him making him radical."


Yeah, we need to get ahold of this Misha character. Find out what he knows. USE MORE HONEY!
 
2013-04-24 06:37:04 PM

atomicmask: The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.



^ this ^
 
2013-04-24 06:37:23 PM

Pitabred: genner: hardinparamedic: genner: Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

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You sound like a radical atheist.


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That's pretty funny. But, just for kicks, look up the Eastern Orthodox Church and how they flourished under Communism, especially during and after WWII. He did not persecute the religious clergy per say, but rather replaced those who would not fall in line and manipulate religion for the state's own ends.

At any rate, Stalin was an example of State as Religion.

Right......even though he didn't believe in a god he wasn't "your kind" of atheist.

No, he didn't use atheism as a cause. He used it as a tool. Stalin wasn't killing people because the Great Atheismo would reward him with 72 scientists, he did it because they wouldn't obey the state he set up. Removing religion was necessary to replace it with what was effectively state worship. See how that works?


The state isn't a deity he was still an atheist.
 
2013-04-24 06:37:24 PM

ProdigalSigh: My mistake on getting the school wrong, but aren't you essentially agreeing with me?


pretty much, different idea behind motives, but I think we both agree that it wasn't islam that caused this
 
2013-04-24 06:37:46 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.

Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.


"Attacks and oppression are happening in a region that the "civilized" world has repeatedly destabilized, therefore everyone who belongs to the dominant religion in the area is a TURRIST!"

Newsflash: When you repeatedly stick your dick into a region's politics, the region's politics get farked up, and often, this allows extremists to take over, which births more extremism.
 
2013-04-24 06:38:25 PM

somedude210: atomicmask: No, I wouldn't, because im not a whiny twat muslim. I would try to make friends, try to adjust, adapt, and overcome my problems.

Everything you said sounds like excuses for islam. It wasn't that he was infatuated with his islamic culture, it was that he was persecuted and excluded from ours! It wasn't that he gave up boxing because momma carpet bower said it wasn't islamic, it was because we didn't bend over backwards and let him on the olympic team! IT MUST BE OUR FAULT, NOT HIS!

fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

If you honestly stick your neck out there and try to make friends and they reject you (as humans often do) then do you not have some sort of legitimacy in being pissed that you're trying and yet they still won't accept you?

Not once did I say that it was our fault. I never apologized for the bombing, I never said we deserved it. I said that the links between what happened and radical islam are non existent at best. I said that you trying to link the two was a whole lot of bullshiat because nothing connects the two outside of  maybe circumstantial evidence (he may have gone to a website about bomb making, which happens to be published by AQ. Btw, did you know that White Supremacists link to said bomb making article too? Are they radical Islamics as well?)

The two of them committed a terrible act, but your reasoning for why they did it is unfounded or goes in the face of all the evidence to the contrary put out there. The guy had dreams and had them crushed, you'd be pissed too if someone crushed your dreams without regard for you. I doubt (or at least hope) you wouldn't start killing people, but this guy thought otherwise and his brother was stupid enough to sympathize enough to join him.

islam is not an inherently bad religion, which you'd understand if you bothered to look at history instead of picking and choosing which sections to know about.

the world needs less ...


Bullshiat.

1. This guy was talking to some radical muslim convert named Misha, who got him to give up boxing because it was un-islamic
2. The guy got his bomb making guide from an al-quada magazine, which is islamic jihad.
3. his shiat heel brother has admitted it was more about islam and being upset at the west.

Only an apologetic fark nugget like you would make excuses and mince words. The guy CONFESSED IT WAS ABOUT farkING ISLAM and you keep saying "no, its this and this and this." quit making bull shiat excuses for a culture of hate and violence.

"islam is not an inherently bad religion, which you'd understand if you bothered to look at history instead of picking and choosing which sections to know about."

What farking revisionist bullshiat. ISLAM HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH THE WEST. Ottoman empire, the conquest of spain and lower italy, they forceable conversion of christians in israel, which LEAD TO THE CRUSADES. The barbary pirates and enslavement of christian sailors..

Dont use history to define islam as peaceful, when the entire history of that culture is nothing but war, enslavement, and barbarism.
 
2013-04-24 06:38:54 PM

genner: The state isn't a deity he was still an atheist.


this is different from a theocracy how?

/all hail the great stalin!
 
2013-04-24 06:39:59 PM

Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x540]

I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.


Hey nice bait. Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most Americans, let that False Equivalency express roll! Let me guess, next you'll bring up the Inquisition, right?
 
2013-04-24 06:40:12 PM

atomicmask: Dont use history to define islam as peaceful, when the entire history of that culture is nothing but war, enslavement, and barbarism.


What about the moderates who don't buy the extremist bullcrap?
 
2013-04-24 06:40:23 PM

LordJiro: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.

Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.

"Attacks and oppression are happening in a region that the "civilized" world has repeatedly destabilized, therefore everyone who belongs to the dominant religion in the area is a TURRIST!"

Newsflash: When you repeatedly stick your dick into a region's politics, the region's politics get farked up, and often, this allows extremists to take over, which births more ext ...


Yeah Japan and germany are just loaded with extremists right? If I recall, we stuck our dick into their politics pretty hard and they both straitened up and flew right afterwards.

keep making excuses with bullshiat.
 
2013-04-24 06:41:26 PM

Madbassist1: Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x540]

I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.

Hey nice bait. Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most Americans, let that False Equivalency express roll! Let me guess, next you'll bring up the Inquisition, right?


But all Muslim sects are the same, right?
 
2013-04-24 06:42:32 PM

Madbassist1: Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most American


It's still Christianity though.

I can't believe you guys are using the No True Scotsman excuse for this instead of realizing that both religious have had a violent and turbulent history.

Hell just look at what Christianity is doing in Uganda.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:03 PM
letrole: The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was a maladjusted nutcase who apparently...

somedude210: even maladjusted nutcases have religion. Isn't that the basis for your hatred of Islam?

Some maladjusted nutcases have religion as a motivation. Some don't. They might be agitated at a barking dog. Is nominal religion of the nutter in any way relevant? No.

Unless of course, they aren't actually nutters, and they provide a lucid and theologically correct basis for the acts they've committed.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:41 PM

d23: Kibbler: Well to be fair, that was Faux News "opinion" rather than "news."  It's where they just come right out and say what they imply 24/7 during the "news."

I seriously think it's an FTC problem.  They are falsely advertising their services.  I have no problem with their existence, but being called "Fox News" is wrong.  I've always jokingly said it should be "Fox News Entertainment," but, seriously, they should be called "Fox OpEd" or "Fox Current Events" or something OTHER than news because they are not presenting journalism.


That's all I have ever wanted. I don't care that some misleading jerk is massaging the pre-existing opinions of 'conservatives.' I care that they are presenting their spiel as fact, knowing that a typical Fox viewer will not venture outside that walled garden of opinion in search dispassionate facts. At least MSNBC - while frequently retarded and certainly employing liberal or at least Democratic pundit voices, treat their actual news segments with a modicum of respect. With Fox, you can compare the top stories of each major broadcast (including the Big Four), and find that while everyone else ran with something relevant to the day's events, Fox led with a story about some lone professor at some school no one cares about having finally debunked climate change.

No, I don't have a cite for that, but I was in the farking room man, watching as the stupid unfurled in front of my eyes. It wasn't the first or last time Fox will use the actual news portion to rank stories in importance based on how well/poorly they reflect on the GOP/Dems. Again, not even MSNBC, every liberal's retarded uncle, pulls that sh*t.

As for the Hannity's and ORLYs of the world, fine. That's why they're called pundits. It's supposed to be opinions. I don't advocate removing them. But surreptitiously corrupting viewers heads with bullsh*t when you're supposed to be in the journalistm hour is not cool. So ditch that "News" (and that stupid farking "Fair and Balanced" subtitle) from your moniker and we'll all be a bunch of Fonzies here. And what was Fonzie? Cool.

/I can't be the only one with at least one family member whose head is so warped by Fox, no amount of factual disabusing will alter whatever chart Fox just aired
 
2013-04-24 06:43:51 PM

somedude210: genner: The state isn't a deity he was still an atheist.

this is different from a theocracy how?

/all hail the great stalin!


Stalin never claimed to be a supreme being. He denied the existence of all supreme beings .
Defintion of a atheist

noun a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:58 PM

LordJiro: Madbassist1: Somacandra: mark12A: No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 720x540]

I'm sure the 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys genocidally murdered by Serbian Orthodox Christians in the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre will appreciate that. As will the over 50,000 Bosnian women systematically raped by Serbian Orthodox Christians during the Bosnian War as a form of ethnic cleansing. In the meantime, you really should keep up with world events a little more. Then you won't look as stupid.

Hey nice bait. Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most Americans, let that False Equivalency express roll! Let me guess, next you'll bring up the Inquisition, right?

But all Muslim sects are the same, right?


How the hell would I know? I only know about the rabid killers, and the wife cutters, etc. Also, I'm no fan of christians and their fairytales either, its all bullshiat to me, I was just making an observation.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:59 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

Uganda is 84% Christian btw, so you can't blame Muslims here.
 
2013-04-24 06:44:32 PM

atomicmask: LordJiro: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.

The irony of course is that one could say the same about Christianity, especially during the Dark Ages.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still a very funny post.

The major difference being, christianity during the dark ages...happened in the dark ages. Islam during the dark ages is still happening now.

In the Middle East. Meanwhile the majority of Muslims in the United States have integrated into our society without any issue.

Yeah no issues at all...except the whole boston bombing thing.

"Attacks and oppression are happening in a region that the "civilized" world has repeatedly destabilized, therefore everyone who belongs to the dominant religion in the area is a TURRIST!"

Newsflash: When you repeatedly stick your dick into a region's politics, the region's politics get farked up, and often, this allows extremists to take over, which birth ...


Keep ignoring how, among other things, our meddling in Iran and our deliberate arming and empowering of extremists contributed to the current state of affairs. Just like you ignore everything else that threatens to damage your bigoted, small-minded worldview.
 
2013-04-24 06:45:19 PM
Let's sum up the article:

BROWN PEOPLE DID IT! LET'S GO KILL THEM!!!
 
2013-04-24 06:45:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Dont use history to define islam as peaceful, when the entire history of that culture is nothing but war, enslavement, and barbarism.

What about the moderates who don't buy the extremist bullcrap?


I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.

What about them? They still form a support structure for all the lunatics and extremists. Until they actively work together to put a halt to the bullshiat, they are just as guilty of being a support group and structure. To bad islamic law pretty much forbids them from doing anything, and upholds the extremists way as right..which is exactly my point, the entire religion is one based on violence and enslavement. Nothing good comes from it.
 
2013-04-24 06:46:08 PM

atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.


I noticed the history of Christianity too. Why do you seem reluctant to recognize it?
 
2013-04-24 06:46:14 PM

LordJiro: our meddling in Iran and our deliberate arming and empowering of extremists contributed is almost entirely responsible for the current state of affairs


FTFY
 
2013-04-24 06:47:29 PM

atomicmask: Until they actively work together to put a halt to the bullshiat, they are just as guilty of being a support group and structure.


Like they did in Canada just this week?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/23/17873250-muslims-helpe d- foil-alleged-canada-train-bomb-plot?lite
 
2013-04-24 06:48:22 PM

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.

I noticed the history of Christianity too. Why do you seem reluctant to recognize it?


Let me help you with something.

I DONT GIVE A shiat ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BUT BUT BUT CHRISTIANS DOESN'T WORK ON ME, IM A NON-BELIEVER.

Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?
 
2013-04-24 06:50:58 PM

Madbassist1: LordJiro: our meddling in Iran and our deliberate arming and empowering of extremists contributed is almost entirely responsible for the current state of affairs

FTFY


Yeah I guess we are to blame for the cultural shift in 1600 away from enlightenment in islam too...right? You know, that glorious islamic time in which they saved all the information lost from the fall of the roman empire, only to have an imam come along and say that perhaps the study of science and education is anti-islamic and pointless at about that time? We are to blame for that too right?
 
2013-04-24 06:51:18 PM
I'm changing my Fark Handle to BillyRayMohammadBob so I can get away with shiat.
 
2013-04-24 06:51:33 PM

atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?


No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.
 
2013-04-24 06:52:51 PM

atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.


Your mention of the Crusades as evidence of Muslim aggression sure shut him up.
 
2013-04-24 06:52:52 PM

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.


BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake
 
2013-04-24 06:55:22 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake


No, my point is that all religions have had a violent history and even continue to do so today (Christians in Uganda), it's not something that is exclusive to Islam.

Your argument that all Muslims are violent and hateful people just makes you come off as a nut.
 
2013-04-24 06:55:52 PM

impaler: atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.

Your mention of the Crusades as evidence of Muslim aggression sure shut him up.


You do know the crusades happened because the muslim conquest of levant and the reconquista of iberia from muslim invaders also? It was a response to muslim aggression and conversion..
 
2013-04-24 06:56:21 PM
All this religious vilence have we learned nothing? God requires faith so kill 'em all and let God sort them out.
 
2013-04-24 06:56:41 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: fark you and apologetics like you, making excuses for shiat heels like this who kill in the name of islam.

I hate people who kill in the name of everything and not just those who kill in the name of Islam like you seem to do.

I have issue with Islam because i have studied it, have knowledge of it, and have seen its effect on the world. It is a plague, a horrible primitive theocratic movement that drags every single culture it infects back 600 years. It makes property of women, it destroys historical sites of whatever culture it infects, it destroys the personal rights of all people under its totalitarian cloak, and it abuses and destroys animals it finds unclean. It is a god damn mental illness of the highest order. ANYONE, anyone who values any sort of personal liberty, human rights, animals rights, or religious freedom should look good and hard at what islam does to whatever country it gets a foot hold in, and instantly begin fighting against it and doing your best to keep it out of whatever place you hold dear.


You know nothing of psychiatry; I have. I've studied it.
 
2013-04-24 06:57:13 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: I noticed the history of islam shut up your "islam has a peaceful history" argument pretty fast.

I noticed the history of Christianity too. Why do you seem reluctant to recognize it?

Let me help you with something.

I DONT GIVE A shiat ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BUT BUT BUT CHRISTIANS DOESN'T WORK ON ME, IM A NON-BELIEVER.

Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?


No, because Islam and Christianity are irrelevant variables. Both religions' texts have parts advocating peace and parts advocating genocide and slavery. Both religions have had horrific things done in their name, and amazingly good things done in their name.

The relevant variable is extremism. Extreme Christians terrorized Europe, Asia, South America and basically wherever they could get to for centuries, while the Islamic world was making immense strides in scientific knowledge. Ireland, Uganda, Bosnia...all are recent, if not current, victims of Christian terrorism. Just because, at the moment, Islamic terrorism (even if most of it could be considered more guerilla warfare than traditional terrorism) is more prominent doesn't mean the religion itself is evil.

You seem intent on demonizing a billion people because of the actions of a few thousand at best. That is what we call, among other things, 'bigoted'.
 
2013-04-24 06:57:59 PM
violence not vilence. I hate this keyboard. *smsh*
 
2013-04-24 06:58:13 PM

atomicmask: Dont use history to define islam as peaceful, when the entire history of that culture is nothing but war, enslavement, and barbarism.


The Catholic church would like a word with you.

atomicmask: 1. This guy was talking to some radical muslim convert named Misha, who got him to give up boxing because it was un-islamic


from the CNN article:  "Misha" taught Tsarnaev "things that would make Tamerlan go away from the people and go more into the religion," Khozhgov said, but "I didn't witness him making him radical."

sounds more like he was giving him guidance about being a better Muslim, much like I could go meditate for 20 days to be a better buddhist, or you could go say a rosary or two to be a better catholic. but, you know, having a better understanding of your faith is a terrible thing. That's why we're just populated with lapse catholics and reformist jews, right?

atomicmask: 2. The guy got his bomb making guide from an al-quada magazine, which is islamic jihad.


I say again, so do American white supremacists  It's a handy guide, apparently. Does that make all the white supremacists anti-american muslims or just dudes that want to build bombs to possibly kill people?

atomicmask: 3. his shiat heel brother has admitted it was more about islam and being upset at the west.


From a LA Times article posted on the main page:  A U.S. counter-terrorism official said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev mentioned the wars "as a general justification for what he did"; a law enforcement official said he did not seem as bothered about America's role in the Muslim world.

soooo....they were anti-war activists? I was upset with both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, mostly Iraq though. Does this make me a radical muslim?

Again, all the evidence, even from the younger brother, seems to indicate that Islam was a means to an end, not the cause of. Don't blow things out of proportion than they really are.

atomicmask: Only an apologetic fark nugget like you would make excuses and mince words. The guy CONFESSED IT WAS ABOUT farkING ISLAM and you keep saying "no, its this and this and this." quit making bull shiat excuses for a culture of hate and violence.


noooo. he said "that his slain older brother, was "upset" by the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and that anger was the motivation to plant two crude homemade bombs along the crowded race route."

I don't see anything in there about radical islam. The Misha character you dregged up seems to be trying to get him to be a more devote muslim, not to kill people.
 
2013-04-24 07:01:30 PM
RADICAL [insert name of faith here] IS BAD! STONE THE HERETICS!

/amidoingitrite?
 
2013-04-24 07:02:08 PM

justtray: Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.


There's low hanging fruit to be had here which makes him look tarded and shows him that he looks tarded, but that's not it.

I think the way to counter this argument is to point out that two individuals don't define a group and if they start saying something dumb you can mention republican child molesters and cult leaders and start asserting they define all republicans for the sake of irony.

While attacking christians may be personally rewarding, you risk the conversation turning away from his stupid, prejudice belief which is a building block of his stupid world view to an assault on his entire world view which is just about impossible to defeat all at once.  If you don't really care about that because you're after the gratification, well, you're really just as worthless as him.
 
2013-04-24 07:02:49 PM
Fox News wants the world to know that the Boston bombings were in the name of religion?
 
2013-04-24 07:06:58 PM

atomicmask: Let me help you with something.

I DONT GIVE A shiat ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BUT BUT BUT CHRISTIANS DOESN'T WORK ON ME, IM A NON-BELIEVER.

Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?


religion is religion, all have extremists that kill in the name of whatever god/messiah they want to kill in the name of. Buddhists have a long and bloody history, so do Taoists, Protestants, Catholics, Muslims and Jews. Singling out one religion as an example of a religion gone south is disingenuous because you neglect the fact that  all religious institutions get very very bloody against non-believers/threats to the church hierarchy

you're trying to argue that Islam is the sole super terrible religion because of violence and bigotry, while at the same time you dismiss all arguments comparing said violence and bigotry to similar events found in other religions.

that is what we have a problem with in your posts.

/that and you're an uneducated dumbass, but we can leave that up for debate another time
 
2013-04-24 07:10:11 PM

JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.


I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.
 
2013-04-24 07:12:39 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake



Not that this is really THAT relevant...

forumemjot.files.wordpress.com

But I thought I'd toss a wrench into the works.


/It's not necessarily "either/or", ya know?
 
2013-04-24 07:15:38 PM

The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.


I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there
 
2013-04-24 07:20:58 PM

justtray: Amos Quito: justtray: mark12A: Yes, extremism is the big problem.

No, Muslim Extremism is the big problem. Christian extremism is the small problem.

The Westboro tards are not shooting and bombing all over the world. The Muslims are. Every. Single. Day.

Not sure if racist or just retarded.


Muslims: Not a race.
Christians: Not a race.

I shouldn't have to clarify, and I know you're being overly pedantic, but;

Muslims = brown
Christians = white

Is the popular misunderstanding. Though much of Asia is also Christian and the beheadings done in christ's name in places like east Timor were/are pretty gruesome


What a cop out, you are wrong so he is over pedantic.

It most get tiring running around with the goalposts all the time.
 
2013-04-24 07:23:16 PM

Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there


So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.
 
2013-04-24 07:24:18 PM

The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there

So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.


I wasn't the one that initially made the comment. I was just making an observation.
 
2013-04-24 07:25:21 PM

somedude210: letrole: The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was a maladjusted nutcase who apparently...

even maladjusted nutcases have religion. Isn't that the basis for your hatred of Islam?


This!!! What makes the older brother any different than Adam Lanza, aside from his accent???
 
2013-04-24 07:25:45 PM

atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake


Are you jumping up and down on the furniture yet? That would really help your argument. You should jump up and down on the furniture. And throw something. Definitely throw something.
 
2013-04-24 07:25:53 PM

Amos Quito: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake


Not that this is really THAT relevant...

[forumemjot.files.wordpress.com image 351x264]

But I thought I'd toss a wrench into the works.


/It's not necessarily "either/or", ya know?


Predictable.
 
2013-04-24 07:34:56 PM

Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there

So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.

I wasn't the one that initially made the comment. I was just making an observation.


An observation that seemed to indicate you thought he was racist. And then you go on to indicate you recognize he is not.

Its almost like you used an experience based heuristic to make a judgement about another person. Yes, many times when someone says, "I'm not racists but..." it is followed by a racist comment. So lets just go ahead and use that as a means of judging the person racist without actually trying to comprehend the following statement first.

Guess where stereotypes come from? Experience based heuristics coupled with a lack of critical thinking. But gosh, I thought stereotypes were bad and here you are using them. How does that work out?

How comfortable are you with me making the observation that black people are far more likely to carjack someone than a white person? I mean, I'm just making observations.
 
2013-04-24 07:36:37 PM
So the dynamic-duo decided to set up the bomb because they felt independently-inspired to go blow shiat up in the name of Islam, but they were not a part of any larger religious/militant organization.

Does that about sum up the situation?
 
2013-04-24 07:40:42 PM
If you're willing to misquote George Carline, what evil won't you do?
 
2013-04-24 07:41:24 PM

The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there

So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.

I wasn't the one that initially made the comment. I was just making an observation.

An observation that seemed to indicate you thought he was racist. And then you go on to indicate you recognize he is not.

Its almost like you used an experience based heuristic to make a judgement about another person. Yes, many times when someone says, "I'm not racists but..." it is followed by a racist comment. So lets just go ahead and use that as a means of judging the person racist without actually trying to comprehend the follo ...


I didn't even say I agreed with the original statement. I was just making an observation.

Sorry I got your panties tied up in a knot.
 
2013-04-24 07:41:25 PM
If only I could edit. If only.
 
2013-04-24 07:43:40 PM

somedude210: rkiller1: somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly?

Ummm, perhaps the bombers were of the Islamic faith and acted radically?

One does not mean the other. Just because I'm buddhist and I do something radical, like light people on fire because I have a hankering for BBQ, doesn't make it due to radical Buddhism

Same applies here. Islam was a personal justification, maybe, but they didn't go out killing people because of "Jihad" or 72 virgins. The older brother got pissed that he was isolated in his adoptive country and snubbed for a chance at an olympic boxing match. This is no different than Columbine, but with less "flag wavin' americans" and guns.

/in other words, you're an idiot


If you have access to documents written by the suspect that specifically list why he attacked please forward them to the FBI immediately.
 
2013-04-24 07:46:10 PM

Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: Mrtraveler01: The first thing I looked at: JinxofSpades: TFA:
"Since I have Muslim neighbors...."

Oh, good.  That should remove any concerns about bigotry.  I bet he and his black friend drink beer with them all the time.

I wonder what the point of this comment is.

He has Muslim neighbors and he is glad that all Muslims aren't radical militants. Or do you deny that there are sub-groups of Muslims that are in fact radical militants who do cause harm to those around them for reasons that include in part, not being Muslim?

But you can feel smug and superior all you like.

I just read the whole paragraph:

It is not being overly PC to admit that millions of American Muslims don't go blowing up their neighbors. Since I have Muslim neighbors, I appreciate that fact.

The fact that he had to mention that it's not being overly PC to say something completely obvious is absolutely sad.

Usually it's part of the  joke where racists would say "I'm not racist, my best friend is black/Muslims/Asian, etc." and then say something completely racist.

After reading the story though, I think the author actually recognizes that the people who did this in Boston are a small minority of the Muslim community.

/Wished the article mentioned that the only reason the planned attack in Toronto stopped was because of the help of the Muslim community up there

So your point is the opposite of what you seemed to say.

Nice work champ.

I wasn't the one that initially made the comment. I was just making an observation.

An observation that seemed to indicate you thought he was racist. And then you go on to indicate you recognize he is not.

Its almost like you used an experience based heuristic to make a judgement about another person. Yes, many times when someone says, "I'm not racists but..." it is followed by a racist comment. So lets just go ahead and use that as a means of judging the person racist without actually t ...


"Just making an observation"

Ok, we can pretend like people don't use that as gutless ploy when they want to make sure their opinion gets out there without actually being held accountable for it if that's how you want to roll.
 
2013-04-24 07:47:05 PM

Amos Quito: TODAY'S UPDATE:

Over 30 killed in violence across Iraq


/Sure glad we freed 'em!


By comparison, 147 people will die today from violent crime, based on 2010 statistics.
 
2013-04-24 07:48:30 PM

Novart: If you have access to documents written by the suspect that specifically list why he attacked please forward them to the FBI immediately.


look upthread. I quoted an LA Times article and a CNN article, both on Fark's main page. The CNN article was about the Misha who pulled the older brother into being a more devote muslim, but not to radicalize him to harming in the name of islam. The LA Times article was talking about how they planned this a week before and had no outside help, it quotes the younger brother as saying that islam was not the reason, it was the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, if anything, that was their cause.
 
2013-04-24 07:51:41 PM
Cocksucker, motherfarker, and of course the word fark, pbuh.
 
2013-04-24 07:51:52 PM

Novart: somedude210: rkiller1: somedude210: what ties to radical islam are there, exactly?

Ummm, perhaps the bombers were of the Islamic faith and acted radically?

One does not mean the other. Just because I'm buddhist and I do something radical, like light people on fire because I have a hankering for BBQ, doesn't make it due to radical Buddhism

Same applies here. Islam was a personal justification, maybe, but they didn't go out killing people because of "Jihad" or 72 virgins. The older brother got pissed that he was isolated in his adoptive country and snubbed for a chance at an olympic boxing match. This is no different than Columbine, but with less "flag wavin' americans" and guns.

/in other words, you're an idiot

If you have access to documents written by the suspect that specifically list why he attacked please forward them to the FBI immediately.


I'm sure they're already aware of his statements:

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev admitted to playing a role in the marathon bombings ... and told federal agents that he and his brother were motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs, when he was interviewed Sunday at the hospital, law enforcement officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-marathon-bombing-develop me nts.html

It seems that the words went straight from his mouth to the feds.
 
2013-04-24 07:53:44 PM

Begoggle: Troll hard.
Get views.
Get paid.


fark the internet.

that's all it is now
 
2013-04-24 07:57:58 PM

my herniated disc: Begoggle: Troll hard.
Get views.
Get paid.

fark the internet.

that's all it is now


I think you're right. I also think the strategy is backfiring. I've been using the internet a lot less over the last year or so than I did for the previous 10 years. They're squeezing a few extra pennies out now, but it's costing them in the long run.
 
2013-04-24 08:05:45 PM

cc_rider: Good farking grief. This is exactly the reason for David Sirota's article. Because the mouth-breathers are spewing their conformation bias and jizzing all over themselves in a pissing contest to see who can scream "Mooslim terrorists" the loudest.

To be fair, all cable news media and a good deal of social media did a horrible job with shaming and blaming the innocent. But now the same farking douchebags who think background checks for all gun sales are tyranny, and that Fartbongo was going to drone Real 'merikans are ready to throw out the Constitution, treat citizens as "enemy combatants", and hey... maybe those drones aren't so bad after all...amirite, Rand?

Let the pants-wetting and pearl-clutching begin.


See what you have done....
 
2013-04-24 08:09:31 PM

jshine: So the dynamic-duo decided to set up the bomb because they felt independently-inspired to go blow shiat up in the name of Islam, but they were not a part of any larger religious/militant organization.

Does that about sum up the situation?


Pretty much.

There are two ways one can go about committing a religiously or politically inspired act of violence. One can be affiliated with a group that commits such acts due to one's own beliefs, and commit an act either because one is directed to do so by the group (like the 9/11 hijackers) or because one feels one's act will further the group's cause (like McVeigh). That is one way.

The other way is that one can be violently inclined towards a nation, religion or cause, and seek a rationale for attacking that nation, religion or cause, and find such justification in the tenets of an opposing cause or religion. Eric Rudolph seems to have been one such individual; now the Tsarnaev brothers may fall into this category.

It's possible for there to be crossovers; for instance, if the older Tsarnaev had stayed longer in Chechnya, he might have been recruited into a separatist group, or into an al-Qaeda cell; it's also possible for such unfocused anger and disaffection to find another outlet: If Tamerlan had not had such a devout wife, he might have become the Russian version of Mike Tyson, an angry, mean boxer instead of a semi-radicalized Muslim. Just as it's possible that if the younger brother had grown up away from his older brother, he might not have been radicalized at all, or might have become a member of the Occupy movement instead.

But for now, they weren't too much different from Kliebold and Harris when they gunned down their classmates at Columbine; they just found a different excuse for their actions.
 
2013-04-24 08:10:53 PM

gnadfly: I can't believe one of the earlier posters compared the T-bros to the TEA party in one of the Boobiess. Again, it don't recall a single act of violence at a TEA Party rally or convention.


Probably because they save the violence for when they go to other people's rallies.

Link

Link

Link

Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?
 
2013-04-24 08:16:42 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 550x413]

Tea-Bagger Tabby enjoys drinking your tears.


No one is denying that they were, but I sure hear a lot of teabaggers denying that they are white and conservative.

Dzokhar was a fan of Infowars. Perhaps that's what "radicalized" him.
 
2013-04-24 08:31:09 PM

insano: If you're going to write a douchey Fox news opinion article, please do not invoke the words of George Carlin. He was a far better person than you and would be turning in his grave. Quote Reagan, Ayn Rand, Larry the cable guy, or some other fox prophet but not Carlin.


Seriously.
 
2013-04-24 08:32:51 PM

vygramul: Amos Quito: atomicmask: Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Now, can you stop trying to shift attention away from the culture at hand onto another one because Islam is so god damn undefendable you have to shift blame?

No. You keep harping about the violent history of Muslims while omitting the violent history of Christians.

And I don't give a shiat whether or not you're a non-belliever. That doesn't give you the right to be an asshole to people who do worship a God.

You have your own narrow-minded view of the world and that's fine. Just don't act so shocked when people like me disagree with it.

BECAUSE THE VIOLENT HISTORY OF CHRISTIANS IS NOT THE ISSUE. CHRISTIANS DID NOT BOMB BOSTON....farks farking sake


Not that this is really THAT relevant...

[forumemjot.files.wordpress.com image 351x264]

But I thought I'd toss a wrench into the works.


/It's not necessarily "either/or", ya know?

Predictable.



Yeah, I guess it was.

The Brits should have known that once they had served their "purpose", they'd be given the bum's rush.

BOOM!

/Terr-rists
 
2013-04-24 08:32:58 PM
ox45tallboy: Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?

People who use expressions like "Lame Stream Media" go on the red list.
 
2013-04-24 08:35:08 PM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: TODAY'S UPDATE:

Over 30 killed in violence across Iraq


/Sure glad we freed 'em!

By comparison, 147 people will die today from violent crime, based on 2010 statistics.



In Iraq? In the US? In the world?

Where?
 
2013-04-24 08:35:45 PM

Gyrfalcon: jshine: So the dynamic-duo decided to set up the bomb because they felt independently-inspired to go blow shiat up in the name of Islam, but they were not a part of any larger religious/militant organization.

Does that about sum up the situation?

Pretty much.

There are two ways one can go about committing a religiously or politically inspired act of violence. One can be affiliated with a group that commits such acts due to one's own beliefs, and commit an act either because one is directed to do so by the group (like the 9/11 hijackers) or because one feels one's act will further the group's cause (like McVeigh). That is one way.

The other way is that one can be violently inclined towards a nation, religion or cause, and seek a rationale for attacking that nation, religion or cause, and find such justification in the tenets of an opposing cause or religion. Eric Rudolph seems to have been one such individual; now the Tsarnaev brothers may fall into this category.

It's possible for there to be crossovers; for instance, if the older Tsarnaev had stayed longer in Chechnya, he might have been recruited into a separatist group, or into an al-Qaeda cell; it's also possible for such unfocused anger and disaffection to find another outlet: If Tamerlan had not had such a devout wife, he might have become the Russian version of Mike Tyson, an angry, mean boxer instead of a semi-radicalized Muslim. Just as it's possible that if the younger brother had grown up away from his older brother, he might not have been radicalized at all, or might have become a member of the Occupy movement instead.

But for now, they weren't too much different from Kliebold and Harris when they gunned down their classmates at Columbine; they just found a different excuse for their actions.



Perhaps I'm off the mark, but this whole argument seems to remind me of the Civil War threads:
a) The Civil War was about slavery.
b) No, it was about states' rights.
c) Yes, it was about states' rights, but the South wasn't going to form an army and secede over the right to set horse-and-buggy speed limits or some such thing.  Only slavery and its hugely-important role in the Southern economy could be important enough to justify war.

Similarly:
a) These dudes bombed the marathon because of Islam.
b) No, they acted because they were crazy.
c) Yes, they may have been crazy, but if there weren't so many people in certain parts of the world (which they presumably respect) who approve of violence in the name of Islam -- especially against the US -- then they might have found a less violent outlet for their angst, like the "occupy" movement as you suggest.

The "Islam is evil" argument is facile (as are most news articles from Fox News), but so is arguing that religion is irrelevant.  There is obviously a violence problem in many Islamic countries that appears to draw motivation and strength from religion.  Its certainly a small minority, but even a small percentage of a billion people is a big problem.  Religion (and culture, since the two are intimately intertwined) is definitely a factor here.

Without reading too much of this thread, I'm not sure where you stand on the issue (so I may be arguing with you or agreeing with you), but that's my $0.02.
 
2013-04-24 08:36:36 PM

lolpix: ox45tallboy: Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?

People who use expressions like "Lame Stream Media" go on the red list.


Here you go, yours seems out of whack.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-24 08:39:16 PM

ox45tallboy: lolpix: ox45tallboy: Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?

People who use expressions like "Lame Stream Media" go on the red list.

Here you go, yours seems out of whack.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 270x221]


People who use sarcasm go on the red list.
 
2013-04-24 08:40:54 PM

Elegy: justtray: Yeah, of course it was fueled by radical Islam. So what?

Radical Christianity anyone? Should we discriminate against Christians?

I'm down for disciminating against both sects of religion, or all religion, if that's what we want. Lets not get anecdotal here, you might not like the results.

[i.imgur.com image 300x202]


I've got to say that's one of the most perfect troll images ever.
 
2013-04-24 08:50:22 PM

Amos Quito: In Iraq? In the US? In the world?

Where?


Sorry. United States. Meant to add that.
 
2013-04-24 08:55:43 PM
Comedian George Carlin famously joked about the seven words you couldn't say on air. Add two more - "Islam" and "Muslim"

Also "Gun" and "Control"
 
2013-04-24 09:09:28 PM
There's still a Fox News?
 
2013-04-24 09:09:44 PM

Amos Quito: hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: TODAY'S UPDATE:

Over 30 killed in violence across Iraq


/Sure glad we freed 'em!


hardinparamedic: By comparison, 147 people will die today from violent crime, based on 2010 statistics.

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: In Iraq? In the US? In the world?

Where?



Sorry. United States. Meant to add that.



Thanks for the clarification.

143 people PER DAY is a LOT of people - over 53 thousand per year.

Strangely when I look at the FBI Murder Statistics for 2010, I see 6,284 victims for the entire year - or about 17 per day.

Nothing to brag about, to be sure, but a far cry from the 143 you mentioned earlier.

Maybe you're using a different source - or maybe a different definition of "die from violent crimes"?

/Further clarification appreciated
 
2013-04-24 09:11:18 PM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: There's still a Fox News?



Someone has to guard the henhouse.
 
2013-04-24 09:13:51 PM

Amos Quito: Thanks for the clarification.

143 people PER DAY is a LOT of people - over 53 thousand per year.

Strangely when I look at the FBI Murder Statistics for 2010, I see 6,284 victims for the entire year - or about 17 per day.

Nothing to brag about, to be sure, but a far cry from the 143 you mentioned earlier.

Maybe you're using a different source - or maybe a different definition of "die from violent crimes"?

/Further clarification appreciated


I think the CDC is using different qualifiers, then.They pull violent death statistics from death certificates, not from crime reports. They also count suicide as a violent death, so even subtracting from that the 2010 statistics gave 16,000 deaths from violence in the US. That's around 40 or so per day in the US.

On the other hand, it should be something to say that we have more violent death than a country undergoing active insurgency.

Not a defense of anything we've done in Iraq in the least, mind you. Just pointing out something.
 
2013-04-24 09:19:17 PM
Can we agree that radical Muslims have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.  I don't want to see another innocent in ANY country hurt or killed because of radicals.  What can we do?
 
2013-04-24 09:22:27 PM

tmonator: Can we agree that radical MuslimsReligious Fundamentalists have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.


Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

thinkprogress.org
 
2013-04-24 09:37:27 PM

hardinparamedic: tmonator: Can we agree that radical MuslimsReligious Fundamentalists have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.

Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

[thinkprogress.org image 345x480]


I understand the want and or need for people to be politically correct and not want to focus on one group. I realize other groups of people hate America.  It seems the focus may be due to the fact that America is at war with Muslim radicals in various countries, and daily radicals are killing people, like our soldiers.  So let's just say Religious Fundamentalists.  Whatever you want to call them. The people all over the world that just happen to believe in the same thing that want to kill us and the people like us because of religion. The same people that want to kill as many of us as possible, because they hate us.  Screw the argument of who they are, and how about what can we do about it?  I really don't see an end to the violence here, I just envision it get worse and worse, like it has been, and people just getting numb to it.
 
2013-04-24 09:39:17 PM

hardinparamedic: tmonator: Can we agree that radical MuslimsReligious Fundamentalists have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.

Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

[thinkprogress.org image 345x480]


What's the y-axis on that chart?  ...because if the 3000+ deaths on 9/11/2001 equates to about 10 units on your chart, what in God's name happened to the other 25 units (about 7500 additional deaths by terrorism in 2001)?  Or are these data cherry-picked to give a particular conclusion?
 
2013-04-24 09:54:39 PM

jshine: What's the y-axis on that chart?  ...because if the 3000+ deaths on 9/11/2001 equates to about 10 units on your chart, what in God's name happened to the other 25 units (about 7500 additional deaths by terrorism in 2001)?  Or are these data cherry-picked to give a particular conclusion?


Number of Incidents. And 9/11 was a single incident, regardless of the death count (which was made possible by the mechanism of the attack.)

The fact of the matter is Islamic Fundamentalism is only a part of the problem. The most likely threat is not some guy in a cave plotting Evil while the drones circle overhead waiting for that camping n00b to show himself, it's a random guy in mom's basement with a copy of TM 31-210 and a few bucks worth of black powder - as Boston Proved.
 
2013-04-24 10:16:07 PM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: Thanks for the clarification.

143 people PER DAY is a LOT of people - over 53 thousand per year.

Strangely when I look at the FBI Murder Statistics for 2010, I see 6,284 victims for the entire year - or about 17 per day.

Nothing to brag about, to be sure, but a far cry from the 143 you mentioned earlier.

Maybe you're using a different source - or maybe a different definition of "die from violent crimes"?

/Further clarification appreciated

I think the CDC is using different qualifiers, then.They pull violent death statistics from death certificates, not from crime reports.



Ah, I see. The misunderstanding arose from your use of the term "violent CRIME", and the CDC does not require "criminal intent" when they're categorizing "violent DEATHS". A dude could be hit in the head and killed by a stray golf ball and the CDC would call that a "violent death".

So you can see how that "143 per day" figure might be just a TAD misleading - not saying that you had "BAD INTENT", you understand. ;-)


hardinparamedic: They also count suicide as a violent death, so even subtracting from that the 2010 statistics gave 16,000 deaths from violence in the US. That's around 40 or so per day in the US.



Yeah, well, calling suicide "violent death" is a bit of a stretch, IMO. And it is certainly not a "violent CRIME" - or at least those who are successful are rarely prosecuted.


hardinparamedic: On the other hand, it should be something to say that we have more violent death than a country undergoing active insurgency.



Well, to be fair, the article didn't count all "violent DEATHS" in Iraq - just those related to bombings, battles and other violent CLASHES.

And it would also be unfair to do a number count comparing Iraq to the US - considering that Iraq is roughly comparable the size and population of California, which, as you know, is tiny compared to the US as a whole.

I wonder: how many people committed suicide in Iraq today?


/Jus' keepin' you honest, HP
 
2013-04-24 10:19:47 PM

hardinparamedic: tmonator: Can we agree that radical MuslimsReligious Fundamentalists have attacked America many times and will continue to do so?  Can we agree that the radicals hate America and everything that it stands for? It is going to keep happening, what are we going to do about it seems to me to be the most important thing.

Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.


thinkprogress.org

Religious fundamentalists, anarchists and crunchy granola types. Muslims are arguably right-wingers too, but that's a whole 'nother argument.
 
2013-04-24 10:21:22 PM

hardinparamedic: Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

thinkprogress.org


One thing your graph shows is that the anarchists are really badly organized!
 
2013-04-24 11:06:31 PM

Farking Canuck: hardinparamedic: Fixed that for you, and we can agree on that.

thinkprogress.org

One thing your graph shows is that the anarchists are really badly organized!


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-24 11:23:00 PM

DeathCipris: *clicks link*

*Sees this is part of Fox News Opinions category*

*closes page*

Nope. fark Fox.


Everything on Fox News is opinion.

/Fox News:News::WWE:Sports
 
2013-04-24 11:28:34 PM

ox45tallboy: gnadfly: I can't believe one of the earlier posters compared the T-bros to the TEA party in one of the Boobiess. Again, it don't recall a single act of violence at a TEA Party rally or convention.

Probably because they save the violence for when they go to other people's rallies.

Link

Link

Link

Too bad the LameStream Media never reports on that sort of stuff, amirite?

Is that all you got?  Looked at your first link.  Old man with a camera gets thrown down when he gets close to the rally speaker .  Police pick him up -  when it looks like a rally member grabs his camera and sends him to the ground - and send him on his way.  I don't even see anything that identifies him as a TEA party member.

Sad really.  Nothing like the farkhate of the TEA Party.  No wonder the MSM didn't report it.

 
2013-04-24 11:39:55 PM

hardinparamedic: jshine: What's the y-axis on that chart?  ...because if the 3000+ deaths on 9/11/2001 equates to about 10 units on your chart, what in God's name happened to the other 25 units (about 7500 additional deaths by terrorism in 2001)?  Or are these data cherry-picked to give a particular conclusion?

Number of Incidents. And 9/11 was a single incident, regardless of the death count (which was made possible by the mechanism of the attack.)

The fact of the matter is Islamic Fundamentalism is only a part of the problem. The most likely threat is not some guy in a cave plotting Evil while the drones circle overhead waiting for that camping n00b to show himself, it's a random guy in mom's basement with a copy of TM 31-210 and a few bucks worth of black powder - as Boston Proved.


Another chart, just for giggles:

www.juancole.com

Terrorism and the other Religions
 
2013-04-24 11:49:33 PM
Dan Gainor Archive

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The monstrous abortion trial the media don't want you to know about
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Sequester fears take mainstream media hysteria to new heights
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'60 Minutes' Obama, Clinton interview heavy on laughs, light on substance
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It's time for a media mutiny on S.S. Obama
 
2013-04-25 12:05:16 AM

fusillade762: hardinparamedic: jshine: What's the y-axis on that chart?  ...because if the 3000+ deaths on 9/11/2001 equates to about 10 units on your chart, what in God's name happened to the other 25 units (about 7500 additional deaths by terrorism in 2001)?  Or are these data cherry-picked to give a particular conclusion?

Number of Incidents. And 9/11 was a single incident, regardless of the death count (which was made possible by the mechanism of the attack.)

The fact of the matter is Islamic Fundamentalism is only a part of the problem. The most likely threat is not some guy in a cave plotting Evil while the drones circle overhead waiting for that camping n00b to show himself, it's a random guy in mom's basement with a copy of TM 31-210 and a few bucks worth of black powder - as Boston Proved.

Another chart, just for giggles:

www.juancole.com

Terrorism and the other Religions


SEE???

Mooselimbs are driving a STAKE into the heart of Christendom!

A RED STAKE!
 
2013-04-25 12:08:04 AM

maxheck: [i37.tinypic.com image 524x350]


A perfect capture of the complete vacancy between her ears. She is too dumb even to be a blonde.
 
2013-04-25 12:31:30 AM

Amos Quito: Ah, I see. The misunderstanding arose from your use of the term "violent CRIME", and the CDC does not require "criminal intent" when they're categorizing "violent DEATHS". A dude could be hit in the head and killed by a stray golf ball and the CDC would call that a "violent death".


Uh, what?

Violent Death involves Criminal Acts. The CDC classifies what you describe as Non-Intentional Traumatic Injury and Accidental Death.
 
2013-04-25 01:00:19 AM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: Ah, I see. The misunderstanding arose from your use of the term "violent CRIME", and the CDC does not require "criminal intent" when they're categorizing "violent DEATHS". A dude could be hit in the head and killed by a stray golf ball and the CDC would call that a "violent death".

Uh, what?

Violent Death involves Criminal Acts.



CDC:

"The person using the force or power need only to have intended to use force or power; he or she need not to have intended to produce the consequence that actually occurred. "Physical force" should be interpreted broadly to include the use of poisons or drugs. The word "power" includes acts of neglect or omission by one person who has control over another. Examples of violent deaths include homicides and suicides."

Blow it out your ass, Band-Aid man.
 
2013-04-25 01:30:07 AM
I think people are less interested in Fox's fearmongering than they used to be.
 
2013-04-25 01:33:55 AM

Strolpol: The War on Straw Men continues unabated...it's rapidly descending into an all-out alfalfa apocalypse.


I'm stealing that.
 
2013-04-25 01:44:50 AM

Amos Quito: "The person using the force or power need only to have intended to use force or power; he or she need not to have intended to produce the consequence that actually occurred. "Physical force" should be interpreted broadly to include the use of poisons or drugs. The word "power" includes acts of neglect or omission by one person who has control over another. Examples of violent deaths include homicides and suicides."

Blow it out your ass, Band-Aid man.


Wow. Your own post contradicts the point you're trying to make. The anger in it only makes the fact you just disproved your own argument even more hilarious.
 
2013-04-25 01:59:59 AM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-25 02:11:22 AM

jshine: The "Islam is evil" argument is facile (as are most news articles from Fox News), but so is arguing that religion is irrelevant. There is obviously a violence problem in many Islamic countries that appears to draw motivation and strength from religion. Its certainly a small minority, but even a small percentage of a billion people is a big problem. Religion (and culture, since the two are intimately intertwined) is definitely a factor here.

Without reading too much of this thread, I'm not sure where you stand on the issue (so I may be arguing with you or agreeing with you), but that's my $0.02.


I think we're discussing in tandem. It's not that religion is irrelevant in general--it's very relevant--but it is in this particular instance; and can be in any given instance. People who are angry often find other people who are angry like them; people who are violent often find justifications for their violence; sometimes it comes together in one place and time. But sometimes not. Some angry people never become violent; some violent people are just violent or criminal with no real motive. Some people--as it seems in this case, based on the scanty evidence--are angry but need some kind of motive before they can act. So Tamerlan Tsarnaev was angry with America for Iraq and other wars, and wanted to do something, but felt like he couldn't just act out without some OTHER rationale. That rationale was Islam--but it could have been something else. Obviously, he wasn't just a mad psychopath, or killing for Islam generally--he could have stayed in Chechnya if he wanted to do that. But he was violent first, and then turned to Islam for his justification.

However, some people join a group or cause first, and then become violent, soldiers if you like. Once they've become part of the movement, THEN they start moving on to shooting, bombing, killing. They have the motivation, but need the violence. So it's not that religion isn't relevant; but it's not the cause, I guess, is my theory.
 
2013-04-25 02:30:07 AM
So let me get this right...everyone is up in arms about the media speculating a couple of bombers of being Muslim and that this could be the reason that they blew up people.  But some jackass shoots up schools and everyone yells bad republicans!  Gun control! Tea tards!  Ban, ban,ban! Save the children!

Either there are a sh*tload of stupid people here, a heap load of trolls, or some hypcritical b*stards.
 
2013-04-25 03:39:38 AM
After they spent three days all but demanding the arrest of every person who ever went to a Tea Party only to find out they were, once again, wrong... Is it any surprise? If it had been a Tea Party person you can be sure that the organizations quietly playing down the Islam connection would be screaming from every rooftop in the country about it.
 
2013-04-25 09:05:54 AM
denial, not just a river in Egypt
 
2013-04-25 09:46:21 AM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: "The person using the force or power need only to have intended to use force or power; he or she need not to have intended to produce the consequence that actually occurred. "Physical force" should be interpreted broadly to include the use of poisons or drugs. The word "power" includes acts of neglect or omission by one person who has control over another. Examples of violent deaths include homicides and suicides."

Blow it out your ass, Band-Aid man.

Wow. Your own post contradicts the point you're trying to make. The anger in it only makes the fact you just disproved your own argument even more hilarious.



What is hilarious is that you had hoped to minimize yesterday's deaths in Iraq (from bombings, battles and attacks) by comparing them to those that the CDC classifies as "violent deaths" which include suicides, accidental shootings, etc, ignoring that Iraq is a country with a population the size of California in your comparison.

What did you hope to achieve with this minimization, HP?


/It's a conspiracy
 
2013-04-25 11:23:51 AM

hardinparamedic: Amos Quito: Thanks for the clarification.

143 people PER DAY is a LOT of people - over 53 thousand per year.

Strangely when I look at the FBI Murder Statistics for 2010, I see 6,284 victims for the entire year - or about 17 per day.

Nothing to brag about, to be sure, but a far cry from the 143 you mentioned earlier.

Maybe you're using a different source - or maybe a different definition of "die from violent crimes"?

/Further clarification appreciated

I think the CDC is using different qualifiers, then.They pull violent death statistics from death certificates, not from crime reports. They also count suicide as a violent death, so even subtracting from that the 2010 statistics gave 16,000 deaths from violence in the US. That's around 40 or so per day in the US.

On the other hand, it should be something to say that we have more violent death than a country undergoing active insurgency.

Not a defense of anything we've done in Iraq in the least, mind you. Just pointing out something.


That we keep better statistics than third-world shiatholes do? I'm shocked.
 
2013-04-25 02:42:09 PM

Amos Quito: What is hilarious is that you had hoped to minimize yesterday's deaths in Iraq (from bombings, battles and attacks) by comparing them to those that the CDC classifies as "violent deaths" which include suicides, accidental shootings, etc, ignoring that Iraq is a country with a population the size of California in your comparison.

What did you hope to achieve with this minimization, HP?


That's pretty funny how the CDC makes a differentialization directly disproving your claim. Here, I'll take a screenshot for you.

i.imgur.com

I can understand how you missed that, Amos. I mean I actually had to read into the second paragraph to find it right there in the open. That's a lot of work for you, I know.

Amos Quito: What did you hope to achieve with this minimization, HP?


I simply pointed out an interesting fact, that we have more dying of violence per day that a country in an active insurgency from violent crime. You were the one that went full retard on the attack about it. And you were blatantly wrong too.

I know how that upsets you, Amos. But it's okay. Deep breath, Bro. It's only FARK.
 
2013-04-25 04:06:30 PM

Madbassist1: Don't let the fact that Eastern Orthodox Christianity wouldn't even be recognizable as Christianity to most Americans


It's not our fault that most American Christians don't know jack about the Faith that they claim to profess, is it?

Besides, I should think that any Christian with even a passing familiarity with the main tenets of their faith would recognize images of Christ of the Cross, the Madonna and the like covering every square inch of wall in an Orthodox Church, even if the guy talking up front has different robes on.

Unless you're arguing that ignorance and uniformed opinions are Good Thing, useful in building a cohesive worldview?  And that that which does not conform to that worldview is to be rejected as irrelevant out of hand?

Even though it actually, you know, happened?
 
2013-04-25 06:18:42 PM

atomicmask: Yeah Japan and germany are just loaded with extremists right? If I recall, we stuck our dick into their politics pretty hard and they both straitened up and flew right afterwards.

keep making excuses with bullshiat.


Uh, what? The Japanese have so many hardline conservatives in their Government that revisionist World History is being taught openly to Japanese Students in the classroom through Japanese Textbooks, and ther desire to avoid a formal discussion or even apology of the events of World War II to the Chinese has been one of the major reasons they have strained (at best) relations.

And despite being illegal to identify as such in Germany, there has been a massive resurgance of ultra-nationalism and neonazi groups since the Fall of the Berlin Wall in the 90s.
 
2013-04-25 09:05:58 PM
Nothing brings the hogs to the slop like a link to ... gasp!... Fox News!   SUUUU  EEE!!!
 
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