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2013-04-24 04:53:35 PM

Treygreen13: TrainingWheelsNeeded: Sure, but they really hamstrung their re-negotiating ability. I think they are paying over market value for Romo. He is Dallas' best option but poor drafting and grooming allowed Tony and his agent to clean up.

I disagree. I think Romo would get that from someone else. That's the problem for Dallas, though. They know the team is abysmal at every other facet of the game (31st in rushing and 23rd in defense) and that with a free agent QB they're a 4-12 team. Their poor salary cap management put them in the position that they have to renegotiate with Romo to get under the contract, so Romo and his agent said, "Alright, pay us what a team falling all over themselves for a QB would pay."

Dallas had three options. Trade Romo and start Kyle Orton (which you know they won't do), don't renegotiate and start cutting guys to make up for the 5 million gap (which just makes the team worse), or pay Romo and push the cap hell back another year. They did what they had to do.

TrainingWheelsNeeded: As to Spencer, the free agent market was flooded with speed rushers who just a year or two ago were pro bowlers and who are being signed this season for 3-4 million per. If no agreement is made soon they will pay him around 10 mil. for the year. If a deal is made you have Spencer, 28, who has been a little inconsistent at best.

Last numbers I heard had the renegotiation at 8 mil a year. Which, while certainly is a little high, isn't an egregious over-payment like Doug Free. He led the team in tackles, had 11 sacks, and made the Pro Bowl.


No, I agree, they painted themselves into a corner with Romo. Would be interesting to see if he could have got that same kind of money elsewhere.
 
2013-04-24 04:54:33 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Incorrigible Astronaut: Not that KC is much better

Now that you have Andy Reid, you're going to get to see what a terrible draft REALLY looks like.


Over the last 10 years:"Philadelphia (B+)Pro Bowlers: 7 (t-14th)Draftees Active in 2010: 45 (t-5th)Players with 50+ Career AV: 2 (t-17th)Players with 20+ Career AV: 19 (t-9th)Best Pick: DE Trent Cole (5th round, 2005)Worst Pick: DE Jerome McDougle (1st round, 2003)Summary: The Eagles didn't draft a bona fide star in the first round all decade, but they have had as many steals later in the draft as anybody. They also deserve a lot of credit for covering the running back position in glory for a full decade without a draftee in the top 50 (Brian Westbrook, LeSean McCoy, Correll Buckhalter)."/Now the real trick is to turn that potential into the dung that is currently Eagles football
source:  http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/decade-the-making-the-ul t imate-nfl-draft-grades/2419/
 
2013-04-24 04:57:28 PM

Nana's Vibrator: CBS Sports Radio just had a quick 1 minute blurb about Michael Jordan being a bad owner and that owners don't blame or fire themselves - and used Jerry Jones as the current leading example.  Seems relevant here.


Jerry's a phenomenal owner in a lot of ways, though. I wish he was he owner- and ONLY the owner- of my team. He will spend any amount of money, he makes sure the facilities are top-notch, and his primary concern really is winning.

Jerry's problem is that he can't just be the owner. He wants to be the GM, too, and that ruins him. If he's got a coach around that knows football and will tell him to shut the hell up, he gets good results. Look at how many of the current productive Cowboys were brought in by Parcells. Going from him to Wade "Yuk Yuk" Phillips... yeah.
 
2013-04-24 04:59:14 PM

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: (31st in rushing and 23rd in defense)

huh....that would be kind of a fun metric to play with.  like, go back the last 10 years and, using the playoff teams and then championship round teams, determine their "___st in rushing and/or total offense + their team defense" number.  you'd think team with lower numbers would be the best, right?  and obviously, the 31st (worst) offense and shiatty defense would have higer numbers.

but then also, you'd have that goofy number from a few years ago where the Pats were always at the top of the offensive rankings but DFL for team defense, but still had a good playoff run.

i'll try to remember to track that.  that could be kinda cool.


I did some preliminary research on that. Playoff position didn't necessarily correlate directly (since bad teams can make the playoffs in bad divisions) but the team that won the Superbowl was top 5 in both offense and defense, in nearly every occasion.
 
2013-04-24 05:04:02 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: No, I agree, they painted themselves into a corner with Romo. Would be interesting to see if he could have got that same kind of money elsewhere.


I just don't see the problem with the contract. They would have been paying him more if they didn't do it, and he'll never see the full value of it. He's basically one of three guys on the whole team who has produced consistently, and he was un-drafted. I bet if they started shopping Romo right now with that contract as it is, they'd get takers.
 
2013-04-24 05:06:29 PM

ladodger34: You know, the Cowboys totally nailed the draft when Jimmy Johnson was the de-facto GM.  What have they done since then?


Because Jimmy Johnson was drafting players that he probably tried to recruit as a college coach.
 
2013-04-24 05:09:11 PM

IAmRight: /Freeman isn't that bad but he should be better with that run game, OL, and Vincent Jackson


Yes, Freeman IS that bad.  After all, we can't give Freeman a pass for his poor decision making skills while we crucify Romo for his.

So it looks like we're back to talking about the Cowboys all the time now?  I'm starting to miss last year when we had the Saints to distract us.
 
2013-04-24 05:10:26 PM

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: (31st in rushing and 23rd in defense)

huh....that would be kind of a fun metric to play with.  like, go back the last 10 years and, using the playoff teams and then championship round teams, determine their "___st in rushing and/or total offense + their team defense" number.  you'd think team with lower numbers would be the best, right?  and obviously, the 31st (worst) offense and shiatty defense would have higer numbers.

but then also, you'd have that goofy number from a few years ago where the Pats were always at the top of the offensive rankings but DFL for team defense, but still had a good playoff run.

i'll try to remember to track that.  that could be kinda cool.

I did some preliminary research on that. Playoff position didn't necessarily correlate directly (since bad teams can make the playoffs in bad divisions) but the team that won the Superbowl was top 5 in both offense and defense, in nearly every occasion.


Like selecting Julius Jones over Stephen Jackson?
 
2013-04-24 05:12:05 PM

Treygreen13: (since bad teams can make the playoffs in bad divisions)


true.  hard to argue that however well both SFO and SEA played against "quality" teams, 4 games each vs Arizona and STL helped their cumulative numbers.


Treygreen13: but the team that won the Superbowl was top 5 in both offense and defense, in nearly every occasion.


and then there's that, too.

either way, that would be fun to track.  GODAMMIT I CAN'T WAIT FOR FOOTBALL!  THE GANG'S ALL HERE!
 
2013-04-24 05:12:10 PM

riverwalk barfly: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: (31st in rushing and 23rd in defense)

huh....that would be kind of a fun metric to play with.  like, go back the last 10 years and, using the playoff teams and then championship round teams, determine their "___st in rushing and/or total offense + their team defense" number.  you'd think team with lower numbers would be the best, right?  and obviously, the 31st (worst) offense and shiatty defense would have higer numbers.

but then also, you'd have that goofy number from a few years ago where the Pats were always at the top of the offensive rankings but DFL for team defense, but still had a good playoff run.

i'll try to remember to track that.  that could be kinda cool.

I did some preliminary research on that. Playoff position didn't necessarily correlate directly (since bad teams can make the playoffs in bad divisions) but the team that won the Superbowl was top 5 in both offense and defense, in nearly every occasion.

Like selecting Julius Jones over Stephen Jackson?


Sorry -was responding to Bill Parcells drafts...
 
2013-04-24 05:13:07 PM

Slow To Return: IAmRight: /Freeman isn't that bad but he should be better with that run game, OL, and Vincent Jackson

Yes, Freeman IS that bad.  After all, we can't give Freeman a pass for his poor decision making skills while we crucify Romo for his.

So it looks like we're back to talking about the Cowboys all the time now?  I'm starting to miss last year when we had the Saints to distract us.


Ask whatever modmin approved this.

riverwalk barfly: Like selecting Julius Jones over Stephen Jackson?


Fun fact, the Dallas Cowboys last 1,000 yard rusher? Julius Jones. In 2006.

But we can do the "BUT THEY COULD HAVE HAD X INSTEAD OF Y" for all teams, every year.
 
2013-04-24 05:13:57 PM
The author makes the point well of what I consider to be the classic typical Jerry Jones-ego fueled draft mistake.

He falls in love with a "can't miss" player that he has to have and he does virtually anything to get him...including over-trading picks or future picks to make it happen.

You can't keep trading your later round picks in a salary capped sport when those players are really cap friendly.

On a related note...

Dear Jerry Jones,

Please sell the Cowboys and Ruin Buy the Houston Texans.

Thanks,

Colts Fans
 
2013-04-24 05:15:44 PM

rickythepenguin: either way, that would be fun to track.  GODAMMIT I CAN'T WAIT FOR FOOTBALL!  THE GANG'S ALL HERE!


You'll get some pushback on how you measure offense/defense and how the numbers can be massaged to give whatever you want. However, since you only have to do the numbers once at the end of the season, it could be an interesting exercise.

riverwalk barfly: riverwalk barfly: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: (31st in rushing and 23rd in defense)

huh....that would be kind of a fun metric to play with.  like, go back the last 10 years and, using the playoff teams and then championship round teams, determine their "___st in rushing and/or total offense + their team defense" number.  you'd think team with lower numbers would be the best, right?  and obviously, the 31st (worst) offense and shiatty defense would have higer numbers.

but then also, you'd have that goofy number from a few years ago where the Pats were always at the top of the offensive rankings but DFL for team defense, but still had a good playoff run.

i'll try to remember to track that.  that could be kinda cool.

I did some preliminary research on that. Playoff position didn't necessarily correlate directly (since bad teams can make the playoffs in bad divisions) but the team that won the Superbowl was top 5 in both offense and defense, in nearly every occasion.

Like selecting Julius Jones over Stephen Jackson?

Sorry -was responding to Bill Parcells drafts...


I figured as much. I think Parcells time here was overrated. Technically the winningest Cowboys coach in recent memory was Mr. dur-dur-dur Wade Phillips. But it was clear that there was a point where he had to go.
 
2013-04-24 05:15:55 PM

Slow To Return: So it looks like we're back to talking about the Cowboys all the time now? I'm starting to miss last year when we had the Saints to distract us.



Hmmm.......saints got the first half of the season but the second half was probably mainly about SFO and SEA, in my opinion.  RAWR NFC WEST IS OVERRATED, THEY CAN'T DO IT IN PLAYOFFS, RAWRRR.

in a QB thread, Romo gets chirped up a lot but that's mainly because of the prominent farkers who are 'Boys fans.  like my girl Di.
 
2013-04-24 05:16:56 PM

riverwalk barfly: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: (31st in rushing and 23rd in defense)

huh....that would be kind of a fun metric to play with.  like, go back the last 10 years and, using the playoff teams and then championship round teams, determine their "___st in rushing and/or total offense + their team defense" number.  you'd think team with lower numbers would be the best, right?  and obviously, the 31st (worst) offense and shiatty defense would have higer numbers.

but then also, you'd have that goofy number from a few years ago where the Pats were always at the top of the offensive rankings but DFL for team defense, but still had a good playoff run.

i'll try to remember to track that.  that could be kinda cool.

I did some preliminary research on that. Playoff position didn't necessarily correlate directly (since bad teams can make the playoffs in bad divisions) but the team that won the Superbowl was top 5 in both offense and defense, in nearly every occasion.

Like selecting Julius Jones over Stephen Jackson?


Actually they got Spears instead of Jackson, Jones was a later pick-up
 
2013-04-24 05:16:58 PM

Captain Steroid: The Cowboys have been on a bad streak ever since the year they drafted Charlie Brown in the first round.

[i1182.photobucket.com image 400x344]


......

You're better than that, Cap'n.
 
2013-04-24 05:18:02 PM

rickythepenguin: in a QB thread, Romo gets chirped up a lot but that's mainly because of the prominent farkers who are 'Boys fans.  like my girl Di.


We rarely bring Tony up. Usually it's comments in defense of him, when someone bags on him out of nowhere.
 
2013-04-24 05:21:47 PM

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: in a QB thread, Romo gets chirped up a lot but that's mainly because of the prominent farkers who are 'Boys fans.  like my girl Di.

We rarely bring Tony up. Usually it's comments in defense of him, when someone bags on him out of nowhere.


Great point...cause Romo never gives people ammunition to bag on him...it always comes out of nowhere.

/Continue white knighting
 
2013-04-24 05:22:02 PM

Treygreen13: I think Parcells time here was overrated.



i think Parcells is overrated period.  he gets credit for rebuilding four franchises, when, hello, ok, he took the jets to a playoff run one year, but then they turned to shiat quickly, and then as Dolphins GM, they made like, one playoff appearance.

he's charismatic and media friendly.  he plays that gruff exterior stuff but you know he likes the give and take.  sportswriters love that shiat.  he had that avuncular vibe.  very good football coach but his name gets thrown around like vince lombardi.
 
2013-04-24 05:24:19 PM

Treygreen13: We rarely bring Tony up. Usually it's comments in defense of him, when someone bags on him out of nowhere.



yeah, that's what i'm saying though.  you guys are rarely the ones brinign him up, but when his punk card gets pulled, the conversation becomes Romocentric.  and inevitably, the moment he goes Operation Codename:  Tony Romo, the entire thread gets Romojacked.

and that's fine.  i'd do the same if my team was under attack.  i get it.
 
2013-04-24 05:35:38 PM

Coach_J: Great point...cause Romo never gives people ammunition to bag on him...it always comes out of nowhere.

/Continue white knighting


The irony in his statement is that he routinely "bags" on the only two-time Super Bowl MVP in the NFC East.  Out of nowhere.

/glass house, throwing stones, etc
 
2013-04-24 05:37:35 PM

rickythepenguin: yeah, that's what i'm saying though.  you guys are rarely the ones brinign him up, but when his punk card gets pulled, the conversation becomes Romocentric.  and inevitably, the moment he goes Operation Codename:  Tony Romo, the entire thread gets Romojacked.


That's because I've spent years here honing my arguments for him. And Di wants to bang him.
 
2013-04-24 05:44:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFL uY98
 
2013-04-24 06:10:20 PM

Di Atribe: Captain Steroid: The Cowboys have been on a bad streak ever since the year they drafted Charlie Brown in the first round.

[i1182.photobucket.com image 400x344]

......

You're better than that, Cap'n.


Hmmm... I dunno...

What do you think, Magic 8-Ball? >.>

i1182.photobucket.com

Truer words have never been spoken. -.-
 
2013-04-24 06:10:55 PM
No one brought up the Jets?  ESPN had a whole piece on how they've been terrible at drafting for 20 years (can't confirm or deny myself, but the sound bytes of people booing during the Jets' picks were numerous).
 
2013-04-24 06:12:52 PM

NaziKamikaze: No one brought up the Jets?  ESPN had a whole piece on how they've been terrible at drafting for 20 years (can't confirm or deny myself, but the sound bytes of people booing during the Jets' picks were numerous).


ESPN brings them up enough for everybody.
 
2013-04-24 06:18:48 PM

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: yeah, that's what i'm saying though.  you guys are rarely the ones brinign him up, but when his punk card gets pulled, the conversation becomes Romocentric.  and inevitably, the moment he goes Operation Codename:  Tony Romo, the entire thread gets Romojacked.

That's because I've spent years here honing my arguments for him. And Di wants to bang him.


Y'all know I have more reasons for liking him than "he's dreamy," right? He would still be my favorite player on my favorite team, even if he looked like Peyton Manning. I also think Tebow's a dreamboat, but I ain't tryin to get him on our team. I ain't even tryin to hear that boy talk. Just run through some sprinklers & STFU.

I mean technically, it is true that I want to bang Romo until the USGS steps in, but that's fairly benign compared to the level at which I will drop kick your face if you make stupid, subjective, emotional, unsubstantiated arguments about him. I swear, I've never seen so many grown men dead set on talking about their FEELINGS. Waaaaaaah I hate the Cowboys and Jerry Jones is old! I once knew a Cowboys fan and he was mean! I'm so tired of everyone making all football threads about the Cowboys! Why can't we talk about Tom Brady some more? Wonk wonk!

If you can't make an objective argument, then save it for your therapist because Fark don't care.
 
2013-04-24 06:20:03 PM

Captain Steroid: Truer words have never been spoken. -.-


See now that was funny. I told you.
 
2013-04-24 06:20:46 PM

Di Atribe: He would still be my favorite player on my favorite team, even if he looked like Peyton Manning



I dub thee Lady O'Snapley, duchess of biatchslappia.
 
2013-04-24 06:23:27 PM

Di Atribe: Captain Steroid: The Cowboys have been on a bad streak ever since the year they drafted Charlie Brown in the first round.

[i1182.photobucket.com image 400x344]

......

You're better than that, Cap'n.


Dont fark with the Cap'n Di or he will turn every damned Cowboy thread from here to eternity into a pony picture thread. Is that what you want?  Pony Romo threads?
 
2013-04-24 06:26:16 PM

mikaloyd: Pony Romo threads?


well in fairness, according to Di, he already is Tony "Baloney", the all-night pony.
 
2013-04-24 06:30:59 PM

mikaloyd: Dont fark with the Cap'n Di or he will turn every damned Cowboy thread from here to eternity into a pony picture thread. Is that what you want? Pony Romo threads?


I ain't fraid o' no posts.
 
2013-04-24 06:44:06 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: tobcc: Incorrigible Astronaut: +1 subby, would LOL again.

/Not that KC is much better

Beat  me to it, I was going to mention how KC will blow the first round draft this year.

Heh, it'll be really hard to screw the first pick up between Fisher and Joekel, but we'll find a way to trade back 15 spots and pick up Geno Smith and Manti Te'o instead.

/Please don't


As a Raider fan I want to poke fun and say "I hope you do get those guys". But then I remember the last ten years.

/hangs head
//Don't worry buddy, it'll get better!
 
2013-04-24 07:01:33 PM

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: (since bad teams can make the playoffs in bad divisions)

true.  hard to argue that however well both SFO and SEA played against "quality" teams, 4 games each vs Arizona and STL helped their cumulative numbers.


You mean that STL team that inexplicably went 4-1-1 against the division last season?

/Farking Akers
//At least they gave us Kaepernick ahead of schedule.
 
2013-04-24 07:13:34 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Rwa2play: Jim from Saint Paul: [thepigskindoctors.com image 512x464]

Throw ENOUGH picks at the wall and you get Emmitt Smith.

And Alvin Harper.

And Darren Woodson.

Well...someone's STILL bitter at that trade.

/Can't blame ya though

Everyone's bitter or this thread wouldn;t exsist.

That trade basically won them multiple Superbowls.


Denny Green can BURN IN HELL for that one trade.
 
2013-04-24 07:16:21 PM

IAmRight: rickythepenguin: you can say taking him over ADRIAN PETERSON was dumb

Freshman year: dislocated shoulder
Sophomore year: high ankle sprain
Junior year: broken collarbone

As a pro? Only ever really missed time in one season (ACL). Beanie Wells? Minor foot injury his junior year that caused him to miss a couple of games but came back and killed it in the next couple of weeks.

/which is why it's tough to go with "injury prone" as a reason for not taking a guy
//of course, if the injuries continue, then you look like a moron


Agreed. Who could have predicted that AP would go All-Madden every freaking year in the NFL based on his (limited) playing time in college, and would have a miracle comeback from an ACL?
 
2013-04-24 08:23:58 PM

rickythepenguin: neuroflare: I know the Cards are (were, since the regime changed) good at drafting defenders, at least recently. Offense, however, left much to be desired.

ehhh........the o line draft picks weren't awful.  Davis (denny green) was played out of position so that isn't his fault.  dallas played him where...


Not commenting on any point in particular here, just keeping the quote small and inoffensive to the thread readers.

I was on my lunch break and didn't really have time to go into particulars when I posted that. I think the o-line is much better than given credit for, both tackles were decent to good at the end of the season, and with getting Levi back, maybe drafting gone of the tackles or Warmack it looks like the line should be pretty solid. I think the RB's haven't been that good, Wells had one good season and got hurt constantly, L'il Sweetness can't stay off of iR either. The team had a pretty solid receiving corps under Whiz/Graves, Housler and Floyd do look very promising.

Now that I think more on it, the team's drafting wasn't the problem, it was free agency and trading. Kolb trade aside, do you realize how much they paid Adam farking Snyder? This is why we need more linemen, if they get rid of his ass for Warmack it's suddenly legit, I believe.
 
2013-04-24 08:55:31 PM

ClavellBCMI: Agreed. Who could have predicted that AP would go All-Madden every freaking year in the NFL based on his (limited) playing time in college, and would have a miracle comeback from an ACL?


He has access to better HGH in the pros than he did in college.
 
2013-04-24 09:21:45 PM

Di Atribe: I mean technically, it is true that I want to bang Romo until the USGS steps in, but that's fairly benign compared to the level at which I will drop kick your face if you make stupid, subjective, emotional, unsubstantiated arguments about him. I swear, I've never seen so many grown men dead set on talking about their FEELINGS. Waaaaaaah I hate the Cowboys and Jerry Jones is old! I once knew a Cowboys fan and he was mean! I'm so tired of everyone making all football threads about the Cowboys! Why can't we talk about Tom Brady some more? Wonk wonk!

If you can't make an objective argument, then save it for your therapist because Fark don't care


It's football. Objectivity has nothing to do with it. If it did fully half of the teams would have no fans because who wants to see a lousy team week in and week out? Football is about hope for my team and loathing for yours.

Stop taking it so personally.
 
2013-04-24 09:32:47 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Di Atribe: I mean technically, it is true that I want to bang Romo until the USGS steps in, but that's fairly benign compared to the level at which I will drop kick your face if you make stupid, subjective, emotional, unsubstantiated arguments about him. I swear, I've never seen so many grown men dead set on talking about their FEELINGS. Waaaaaaah I hate the Cowboys and Jerry Jones is old! I once knew a Cowboys fan and he was mean! I'm so tired of everyone making all football threads about the Cowboys! Why can't we talk about Tom Brady some more? Wonk wonk!

If you can't make an objective argument, then save it for your therapist because Fark don't care

It's football. Objectivity has nothing to do with it. If it did fully half of the teams would have no fans because who wants to see a lousy team week in and week out? Football is about hope for my team and loathing for yours.

Stop taking it so personally.


You don't seem smart enough to A) understand statistics or B) understand that my diatribe up there was meant to be humorous.

To be fair, Trey did make a statement about me personally, but that's as far as taking anything "personally" goes.

Be honest, the only reason you hate me is because of your hatred for the Cowboys, and therefore America. Do they have therapists in your Fascist wonderland? You have some feelings you need to deal with, Bad Adolf.
 
2013-04-24 09:40:26 PM

Di Atribe: Be honest, the only reason you hate me is because of your hatred for the Cowboys, and therefore America. Do they have therapists in your Fascist wonderland? You have some feelings you need to deal with, Bad Adolf.


I don't hate you even a little bit. On the other hand, I LOVE getting you spun up about the Cowboys, largely because I despise them. You are one of the most vocal Cowboys fans, and as such you get a disproportionate amount of my abuse, but in the end I don't have anything against you other than your shiatty taste in football teams.
 
2013-04-24 09:55:28 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Di Atribe: Be honest, the only reason you hate me is because of your hatred for the Cowboys, and therefore America. Do they have therapists in your Fascist wonderland? You have some feelings you need to deal with, Bad Adolf.

I don't hate you even a little bit. On the other hand, I LOVE getting you spun up about the Cowboys, largely because I despise them. You are one of the most vocal Cowboys fans, and as such you get a disproportionate amount of my abuse, but in the end I don't have anything against you other than your shiatty taste in football teams.


I can appreciate & laugh at that. Be good, Bad Adolf.
 
2013-04-24 10:10:47 PM
if the cowboys are bad, then so are the Steelers

Something like 24 out of 50, and only 18 of 26 from last 3 years,
and that's being generous
(including resignings of players that they have cut or let go and come back
to them via F/A  like Gay, Spaeth, etc.... and then there's Spence, who
rumors are will never play again)

So more realistically they are like 20 out of 50 (40% compared to Dallas' 38.x%)

Can we finally put this Steelers draft genius nonsense to bed?
 
2013-04-24 10:13:11 PM
Trollhawks: Skipping the first round, to try and let everyone else catch up.
 
2013-04-24 10:31:00 PM

Treygreen13: Slow To Return: IAmRight: /Freeman isn't that bad but he should be better with that run game, OL, and Vincent Jackson

Yes, Freeman IS that bad.  After all, we can't give Freeman a pass for his poor decision making skills while we crucify Romo for his.

So it looks like we're back to talking about the Cowboys all the time now?  I'm starting to miss last year when we had the Saints to distract us.

Ask whatever modmin approved this.

riverwalk barfly: Like selecting Julius Jones over Stephen Jackson?

Fun fact, the Dallas Cowboys last 1,000 yard rusher? Julius Jones. In 2006.


That surprises me. For a while it seemed like every time the Cowboys played the Skins, Marion Barber would rush for crazy huge yards. It led to me being irrationally terrified when ever Barber got the ball against the Skins. I expect the stats probably don't back that up, but by eye test I would have totally assumed the Barbarian got close to 1k
 
2013-04-24 11:45:35 PM
Welcome to Day 364 of 2013 Draft Predictions.  Be sure to tune in for day 1 of their post-draft analysis followed by day 1 of their 2014 NFL Draft Predictions.

/Like an Alzheimer's patient, I'll tune in SportsCenter on occasion before I'm reminded why I stopped watching.  I get that football pays the bills, is a ratings giant, and MNF is expensive, but "overkill," guys.
 
2013-04-25 02:44:09 AM
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2013-04-25 09:16:26 AM

Slow To Return: Yes, Freeman IS that bad.  After all, we can't give Freeman a pass for his poor decision making skills while we crucify Romo for his.


I don't consider Romo as bad as people make him out to be, either.

riverwalk barfly: Like selecting Julius Jones over Stephen Jackson?


Stephen Jackson plays in the NBA - you should know, he was most recently with the Spurs. Steven Jackson was the solid RB for the Rams. But back in those days, no one took Pac-10 RBs seriously (unless they were from USC).
 
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