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(Some Guy)   Prof Richard Falk blames America for Boston Marathon bombings while searching his trench coat incessantly for a pen   (theglobaldispatch.com) divider line 175
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2013-04-24 04:05:43 PM  

keypusher: minoridiot: Calling something "retribution" is not exactly the same as saying "they got what they deserved".

No, that's exactly what it means.


Then I guess it's a good thing he didn't call it retribution.
 
2013-04-24 04:10:34 PM  

BgJonson79: BgJonson79: AdolfOliverPanties: The guy has a point. I won't go as far as to say that Boston go what it deserved. I will say that as much as America does butt in and does back bad guys from time to time and does seem to be war-hungry almost all the time, how this sort of thing hasn't happened hundreds of times before on US soil is a mystery.

As a nation, we deserve this kind of treatment. More accurately, our government deserves it.


You stated that it's the worst way, but you still said we get what we deserve...

Not we as citizens.  We as a nation, and more directly the elected officials who do the terrible shiat America is famous for.

I should have known not to try a layered, nuanced or detailed response to something on Fark.
 
2013-04-24 04:15:28 PM  
"Richard Falk said in a statment that Bostonians got what they deserved noting that George W. Bush sought a pre-text to invade Iraq "

Because Bostonians were such big supporters of Bush.  What an asswipe.
 
2013-04-24 04:15:38 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: BgJonson79: BgJonson79: AdolfOliverPanties: The guy has a point. I won't go as far as to say that Boston go what it deserved. I will say that as much as America does butt in and does back bad guys from time to time and does seem to be war-hungry almost all the time, how this sort of thing hasn't happened hundreds of times before on US soil is a mystery.

As a nation, we deserve this kind of treatment. More accurately, our government deserves it.

You stated that it's the worst way, but you still said we get what we deserve...

Not we as citizens.  We as a nation, and more directly the elected officials who do the terrible shiat America is famous for.

I should have known not to try a layered, nuanced or detailed response to something on Fark.


Nah, you should have known not to bite the hook :-P
 
2013-04-24 04:17:29 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I should have known not to try a layered, nuanced or detailed response to something on Fark.


This from someone named AdolfOliverPanties :)
 
2013-04-24 04:18:44 PM  

lilbjorn: "Richard Falk said in a statment that Bostonians got what they deserved noting that George W. Bush sought a pre-text to invade Iraq "

Because Bostonians were such big supporters of Bush.  What an asswipe.


The actual article is posted ITT at 2:15.  That's not what he said.

/"statment" might have been your first clue
 
2013-04-24 04:20:24 PM  
Princess Ryans Knickers:John F. Kennedy stated:

"I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. "


Not interested in reading the rest of that interview, where Kennedy decries the communist takeover and Casto's tactics? Statement of agreement with motivations does not make an agreement of policy (or as you would have it, collusion)

So you deny that the United States and the CIA had nothing to do with Khomeini?

Can't speak for the CIA, but the State Department (under whose auspices the CIA is run) wanted nothing to do with Khomeni.

 Yes we trained and supplied the rebels in Nicaragua (that would be the pro-democratic, anti-Communist rebels).

Glad you agree.


But probably not for the reasons you're thinking

And so you don't deny that we first trained and supplied bin Laden, nor do you deny that other statement of mine that we had to clean up the mess that was made of our country due to him? Sticking our noses where they don't belong.

You mean, after bin Laden came to us and offered his help in attacking the Soviets in Afghanistan, and we took advantage of that? Let me repeat that... bin Laden first approached US and offered assistance in dealing with what was considered at the time a mutual problem. No one at the time could foresee what bin Laden was going to become.

Sticking OUR nose in Korea? Maybe you mean the United Nations.
United States Army Military Government of Korea ring any bells? We were involved before the UN was. Since the United States fairly much controls and leads the UN, you do the math.


United States Army Military Government IN Korea, maybe? The provisional governing body that was in place after WWII, when the occupying Japanese Army was removed?  You might very well, in the same breath, ask about the Soviet Army doing the same thing in North Korea.

And the U.S. controls and leads the UN? That would be news to the UN.

Chechnya? You mean where we condemned the the Chechens use terrorism and sent humanitarian aid, and tried to get the Russians to negotiate? And where do you find that we sent Saudi terrorists to "interfere" (interfere with what, might I ask?)?

Do a Google book search. You can
see the old newspaper articles about it from 1999. We were asked point blank by Russia to stop interfering.

We were asked point blank by Russia to stop interfering because they didn't want us watching what they were doing, and they wanted us to stop sending humanitarian aid to the area (you see, we were trying to be the good guy and help people who had been harmed by both Chechen terrorists AND by the Russian military crackdown on the violence there, which was VERY heavy-handed). But you don't seem interested in that. It seems that you believe that if the U.S. does or even says anything about any kind of world event, then we are "interfering" and "sticking our nose where it doesn't belong". Oh, sometimes we do, I'll give you that. But not nearly as often as your fevered imagination would have it, and more than likely for none of the reason you'd actually believe.
 
2013-04-24 04:21:24 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: AdolfOliverPanties: I should have known not to try a layered, nuanced or detailed response to something on Fark.

This from someone named AdolfOliverPanties :)


Never have been really happy with that handle, but when I signed up for Fark I didn't think I'd still be coming here ten years later or whatever.
 
2013-04-24 04:28:32 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Never have been really happy with that handle, but when I signed up for Fark I didn't think I'd still be coming here ten years later or whatever.


Tattoo's can be removed. A FARK handle is forever

Like herpes.
without the visible sores.
 
2013-04-24 04:34:43 PM  

LonMead: AdolfOliverPanties: Never have been really happy with that handle, but when I signed up for Fark I didn't think I'd still be coming here ten years later or whatever.

Tattoo's can be removed. A FARK handle is forever

Like herpes.
without the visible sores.


Tell me about it.
 
2013-04-24 04:37:17 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: In 1939, FDR called for the combatant nations in WWII to agree to never bomb civilians.

By the end of the war, the US had killed 500,000+ German civilians through bombing. In one raid on Tokyo, we burned to death 100,000 civilians. We used two nuclear bombs on Japan--the only use of nuclear weapons in war to date--and killed more than 250,000 civilians with them.

It's understandable that SOME people would have a problem with a country that went from saving millions from starvation in the Soviet Union to annihilating civilian populations of enemy countries. The Nazis championed that tactic from the start; we began differently.

However, as someone once said, the greatest moral failure the United States could have made in World War II was to lose the war. That we didn't do.


www.osborneink.com
 
2013-04-24 04:38:08 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: LonMead: AdolfOliverPanties: Never have been really happy with that handle, but when I signed up for Fark I didn't think I'd still be coming here ten years later or whatever.

Tattoo's can be removed. A FARK handle is forever

Like herpes.
without the visible sores.

Tell me about it.


*checks profile...*

Hey... 11-29! My birthday!

I've got some Coke. And some root beer, too. I just went to the store
 
2013-04-24 04:39:26 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Never have been really happy with that handle, but when I signed up for Fark I didn't think I'd still be coming here ten years later or whatever.


Life choices are a biatch, man, it's like a permenant record...

:)
 
2013-04-24 04:46:39 PM  

DubtodaIll: I'm only insulted that you think I'd pay attention to infowars or Glenn Blech or Gleen Beck.  Just because I'm conservative doesn't make me willfully blind and stupid. Like I said I'm not terribly informed about the U.N.  I only know them mostly from pop culture references and these kinds of news stories. I'm sure the U.N. does plenty of good at the ground level, but there seems to be a disconnect with reality as far as many of the speeches given at the general assembly.  Though it is possible I just live in a bubble or something.  As if someone set up this place where I could just say whatever I wanted, often purposefully against the presiding authority, and get away with it.  Huh...interesting.



But you have heard of Agenda 21. of course you've heard of Agenda 21 and what it's doing to our children, right?

Also, if the world judged America solely by the speeches they heard in our legislative assemblies, they would have good cause to hate us given the uninformed vitriol that comes out of those places. Thankfully, most of the world realizes this, cuz that's how republics work, and they watch for what we pass and execute as laws.  Try to do the same for the UN as the analogy is quite apt.
 
2013-04-24 04:56:22 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: LonMead:
You obviously failed history class the first time... why put yourself through it again?
But, since you asked, some examples:
The U.S. had nothing to do with Batista's overthrow in Cuba (in fact, the U.S. tried to get rid of Castro, and has had an embargo on the country since the 60's)
Actually we did.

John F. Kennedy stated:

"I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. "

The U.S. had nothing to do with the overthrow of the Shah (in fact, one of the reasons Khomeni's followers took and held the U.S. Embassy during this period had to do with U.S. support of the Shah).

So you deny that the United States and the CIA had nothing to do with Khomeini?

 Yes we trained and supplied the rebels in Nicaragua (that would be the pro-democratic, anti-Communist rebels).


Glad you agree.

We went after bin Laden because bin Laden came at us.

And so you don't deny that we first trained and supplied bin Laden, nor do you deny that other statement of mine that we had to clean up the mess that was made of our country due to him? Sticking our noses where they don't belong.


Sticking OUR nose in Korea? Maybe you mean the United Nations.
United States Army Military Government of Korea ring any bells? We were involved before the UN was. Since the United States fairly much controls and leads the UN, you do the math.
 

Chechnya? You mean where we condemned the the Chechens use terrorism and sent humanitarian aid, and tried to get the Russians to negotiate? And where do you find that we sent Saudi terrorists to "interfere" (interfere with what, might I ask?)?

Do a Google book search. You can ...


The Contras were not pro-democracy. They were anti-Sandinista, which doesn't even mean anti-communist.  Many of them were National Guardsmen who escaped.  Yknow, the guys who raped and killed nuns for the heck of it, those guys. And don't forget Al Haig's famous "Cubans play baseball" as evidence that the Sandinistas were supported directly by Cuban arms.  he forgot that baseball was also Nicaragua's national sport, not soccer. He forgot because he was a propagandist and a traitor who illegally supplied weapons to known drug dealers, murderers, and anti-democratic rebels by circumventing the laws of the United States.

Let me be clear: I'm not defending the Sandinistas. I'm saying that if you support the Contras you need to re-examine your history.
 
2013-04-24 04:58:54 PM  
Tommy Moo:

I don't agree with all the aspects of our foreign policy either. Terrorists are still goddamn cowards. If they were really so righteous, they would march on Washington and die trying to take on the Army, not go after civilians.

I think we'd all agree.  The problem is when you say that Islam = terrorist, therefore let's kill all the Muslims.  So don't say that.
 
2013-04-24 05:02:38 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: The guy has a point.  I won't go as far as to say that Boston go what it deserved.  I will say that as much as America does butt in and does back bad guys from time to time and does seem to be war-hungry almost all the time, how this sort of thing hasn't happened hundreds of times before on US soil is a mystery.

As a nation, we deserve this kind of treatment.  More accurately, our government deserves it.  If the terrorists really want to get back at those that they feel have wronged them, American citizenry should not be the target.  They should do some research and go after the big money entities that fund the military industrial complex and back government leaders with shiat-tons of money to get what they want out of the world.  And then, go after the leaders themselves.

Attacking a pretty farking ignorant populace that is only too eager to suck up the government's assessment of things is not going to accomplish a single farking thing.  They attack citizens, the government tells the citizens who did it and who to hate, the citizens believe it, and the government goes on doing whatever the hell the rich entities tell them to.


Go fark yourself. really.
 
2013-04-24 05:18:40 PM  

minoridiot: Calling something "retribution" is not exactly the same as saying "they got what they deserved". I can't say I entirely disagree with his point.  The US has had a long history of a belief in our manifest destiny to police the world and enforce democracy commerce at whatever price.  We should focus on solving our internal problems before we start looking for ways to solve the problems of others.


Fixed for you
 
2013-04-24 05:24:11 PM  
Akshully, this all started thousands of years ago when Ugh hit Urg over the head with a big stick and stole his wild boar.

From then on, whoever had the biggest stick could call the tune.

Nothing has changed. Suck it up weak nations and peoples and remember poor Urg.
 
2013-04-24 05:46:22 PM  

partisan222: DubtodaIll: What's the point of the UN again?  I've never really studied it's history but the current culture there is fairly disgusting.  Unaccountable appointed jackwagons that espouse hatred for the U.S. while gleefully enjoying the facilities and privileges provided by U.S. success.  Not to mention the U.N. is in NYC.

But really, has the U.N. ever done anything more important than strongly worded letters?  I googled U.N. success and only got links to un.org.

I know! John Bolton was an assclown and brought shame to the organization!

And screw all those kids who learned to read or were treated for diseases under UN programs, not to mention the absolute waste spent on rebuilding impoverished countries after natural disasters. we all know the US has done far more for Haiti than the UN ever did.

And Bush I, with the First Iraq War - what a joke that he used the UN to build a coalition of over 100 nations to give legitimacy to his invasion. His son sure learned what a waste the UN was when he went in with a coalition of the willing - it turned out way better!

/sarcasm off
//go read a book, stop reading infowars and Glenn Blech


I wouldn't really bring up the UN in Haiti as any sort of model, what with that dysentery thing.

/Actually Haiti's farked no matter who tries to help
 
2013-04-24 05:52:47 PM  

partisan222: Tommy Moo:

I don't agree with all the aspects of our foreign policy either. Terrorists are still goddamn cowards. If they were really so righteous, they would march on Washington and die trying to take on the Army, not go after civilians.

I think we'd all agree.  The problem is when you say that Islam = terrorist, therefore let's kill all the Muslims.  So don't say that.


I have never advocated for "killing all the Muslims." I have advocated for killing terrorists, and exposing the fallacious ideas that develop and shield the terrorists, which involves arguing against and taking to task the unsavory beliefs of "moderate" Islam.
 
2013-04-24 06:29:26 PM  
those sluts deserved to be raped because of the moral customs they ignored, the way they were dressed, the alcohol they consumed, and their ugly stupid behavior in general.

/ watch this drive
 
2013-04-24 06:46:52 PM  
That eight year old kid that was killed in the bombing was a filthy American imperialist anyway.  Or he would have been, if he had lived.
 
2013-04-24 07:19:42 PM  

tirob: That eight year old kid that was killed in the bombing was a filthy American imperialist anyway.  Or he would have been, if he had lived.


Live by the swizzle, die by the nizzle

i021.radikal.ru
 
2013-04-24 09:14:42 PM  
He's an Economics Ph.D. He might as well be an Astrologer.
 
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