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2013-04-24 01:11:47 PM
Rumored iWatch? Possibly. Maybe iGlasses. i...stuff.
 
2013-04-24 01:14:33 PM
"The reality is that the work we do to produce truly innovative products is very hard," Cook said. "I assure you that we're working very closely with manufacturing partners to achieve a very exciting roadmap."

He very much needs to buy another adverb.
 
2013-04-24 01:14:49 PM
They are going to put a thicker case on an ipad, make it consume more batter power, and call it a sport utility tablet.
 
2013-04-24 01:15:34 PM
Wake me when they have a noospheric interface.
 
2013-04-24 01:17:14 PM
Clearly they are branching out into kitchen appliances

www.myohanhtun.com
 
2013-04-24 01:21:44 PM
A wristwatch? A farking watch phone? That may have been cool in the comic strips of the 1930s, but this isn't even the same century. If Tim wants to stay relevant, he's got to be more up to date. Like a shoe phone, at least.
 
2013-04-24 01:25:40 PM
What has happened to aapl stock would have happened with jobs or not. I think we all know how long new hardware takes to develop. And he's not going to get fired, he's done as well as anyone would have. The writing was on the wall as soon as aapl broke with tradition and declared a dividend. The board knew profit growth was dropping rapidly so they made a preemptive move.
 
2013-04-24 01:28:32 PM
The iWatch rumors are intriguing.

We're getting closer to Daemon becoming a reality. If you haven't read the book, you should. It's a fun read.

http://www.amazon.com/Daemon-Daniel-Suarez/dp/0451228731
 
2013-04-24 01:35:43 PM

JohnBigBootay: What has happened to aapl stock would have happened with jobs or not.


That's a hell of an assumption. I'm no huge Jobs fan, but the guy was solely dedicated to coming up with new technological shiat because he thought consumers could use it (and make a buck in the process), rather than trying to make a buck by figuring out what consumers want.

What has happened to Apple has happened precisely because they got the order of operations backward once Jobs stepped back. You've got to weather a few failures like the Newton (a decade ahead of its time, and I think The Jobber knew it then and tried to jump the gun) to really understand that Edseling your new product line is not nearly as good as pretending you know what we want. No one knew they NEEDED a camerastereowebbrowserphone until Jobs made one that worked as well as their cameras, stereos (music players), web browsers (computers) and previous-gen phones did.

Somehow, Tim Cook doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would lie awake at night because the way the iPhone 8 displays yellow doesn't jive with the yellow he sees in his head. He'd snore soundly because even though the yellow looks more like sickly green, they moved eleventytrillion units the day the six-month-advance preorders started.
 
2013-04-24 01:42:57 PM
Is It Software That Capitalizes Everything For You?
 
2013-04-24 01:53:31 PM

debug: Is It Software That Capitalizes Everything For You?


I Came Here To Say The Same Thing.
 
2013-04-24 01:54:02 PM

Dr Dreidel: JohnBigBootay: What has happened to aapl stock would have happened with jobs or not.

That's a hell of an assumption. I'm no huge Jobs fan, but the guy was solely dedicated to coming up with new technological shiat because he thought consumers could use it (and make a buck in the process), rather than trying to make a buck by figuring out what consumers want.

What has happened to Apple has happened precisely because they got the order of operations backward once Jobs stepped back. You've got to weather a few failures like the Newton (a decade ahead of its time, and I think The Jobber knew it then and tried to jump the gun) to really understand that Edseling your new product line is not nearly as good as pretending you know what we want. No one knew they NEEDED a camerastereowebbrowserphone until Jobs made one that worked as well as their cameras, stereos (music players), web browsers (computers) and previous-gen phones did.

Somehow, Tim Cook doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would lie awake at night because the way the iPhone 8 displays yellow doesn't jive with the yellow he sees in his head. He'd snore soundly because even though the yellow looks more like sickly green, they moved eleventytrillion units the day the six-month-advance preorders started.


Jobs hated the Newton and wanted it killed. And although I think your assessment of Cook's attention to detail is a little harsh, it's now Ive's job to worry about those details.
 
2013-04-24 01:57:39 PM
An iWatch would suck.

We only need a watch that is a peripheral to our smartphone, like the Pebble, or Sony LiveView.

Formfactors for phones shrunk to ridiculous levels, so much SNL made it a memorable joke

www.zomm.com

Now they are growing ridiculously large with Phablets.

What we need on our wrist is a simple informational display, touchscreen input, maybe a camera, with reasonable battery life (we aren't there yet for powering a cell phone in a small device like that). I could see tying a few other things into it, perhaps a pulse and temperature monitor for joggers.

A watch as a phone is simply the wrong form factor for practical use. It's like forcing desktop users to use a gesture-centric tablet UI. Oh wait...
 
2013-04-24 01:59:36 PM
An Apple co..ok tease.

Well!  I never!
 
2013-04-24 02:07:24 PM
iPod micro.  you need a magnifying glass and a toothpick to work it.
 
2013-04-24 02:14:16 PM

Dr Dreidel: That's a hell of an assumption


He's only been dead a year and a half. Aapl was well into the decline of profit growth percentage  while jobs was still running the company it just hadn't shown up in the stock price yet. It was inevitable. But like I was saying, it takes years to get new product lines to market and his death wouldn't have stopped the processes that would have already been underway for years while he was still alive. the simple fact is the smartphone and tablet line markets matured and the shrinking margins are the inevitable result of competition. Jobs would not have stopped that.
 
2013-04-24 02:14:59 PM
I want an iTime vortex manipulator.
 
2013-04-24 02:19:10 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I think your assessment of Cook's attention to detail is a little harsh, it's now Ive's job to worry about those details.


And it wasn't necessarily Jobs' job to make the yellow look YELLOW (maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan). Point is, Jobs' attention to detail struck me as a more consumer-oriented concern, where Cook (and, TBF, most of the money-men in tech firms) doesn't strike me as they type who would care so long as units moved.

Similar to ConsoleCo suits who are telling us to "get over" always-on - this smacks of people who either don't use their own products (unlikely in Cook's case), or see improvements as delays, cost-overruns and opportunities for addons (oh, the onboard battery only lasts 5 hours? We'll sell an aftermarket "double-capacity" battery. Brilliant!*) rather than building the thing you set out to build.

// why yes, I do have something of a chip on my shoulder when it comes to bean-counters working in tech firms

*not taken from any real-world example I know of
 
2013-04-24 02:27:07 PM
Sorry, Apple, you got away with the teasing while you were still the hot young thing but now you need to actually offer the goods to get people's attention.   The thing is, I'm fairly confident that the Apple PR folks know this and the fact they're not announcing bombshells instead of merely dropping vague hints is that they don't have any bombshells.  All they have is the tease now.

Was laughing out loud when CNBC "analysts" only a few months back were saying $700 was too low for Apple stock.  Prepare to see sub-$300 prices within the year.
 
2013-04-24 02:29:18 PM
They're finally going to introduce the iRack?
 
2013-04-24 02:32:40 PM
Promoting vaporware? Apple didn't invent that, man! They copied it. Microsoft was doing this years ago.
 
2013-04-24 02:39:22 PM

JohnBigBootay: He's only been dead a year and a half.


But had effectively stepped down a year (?) prior. Confidence in the fruit dropped the day he made that announcement, and nothing they've done since (which was basically live off the last few designs and design notes left by Dear Leader) has reinspired it.

// but hey, AAPL paid for Grandma's retirement/medical treatment/funeral costs
// apparently, someone told her to BUYBUYBUY in 1984ish
 
2013-04-24 02:46:42 PM

Dr Dreidel: But had effectively stepped down a year (?) prior. Confidence in the fruit dropped the day he made that announcement, and nothing they've done since (which was basically live off the last few designs and design notes left by Dear Leader) has reinspired it.


For my money he was a fantastic ceo with a great eye for design. But I think the celebration was overdone on the upside while he was there and the influence of his departure is overdone one the downside after he was gone. Look, apples profit growth for the last three years jobs was at the helm was something like 70%, 40%, 19% (again, paraphrasing). No, it absolutely does not help that he's gone. maybe the numbers skew a little, but what has happened absolutely would have happened with him or without him. maybe it would have been a bit slower. Very talented guy but he wasn't infallible, nor was he immune to market forces. hell, one could argue he's have made things worse. maybe he would not have allowed a larger iphone screen or the 7" ipad. We don't know and it sort of doesn't matter.
 
2013-04-24 02:46:49 PM

LesserEvil: An iWatch would suck.

We only need a watch that is a peripheral to our smartphone, like the Pebble, or Sony LiveView.


Uh, what makes you think an iWatch would be a tiny ridiculous phone, and NOT an accessory device?
 
2013-04-24 02:49:33 PM

JohnBigBootay: We don't know and it sort of doesn't matter.


Well, you've got that right. And yes, there probably would have been a decline anyway - those last 3 years were 2008, 2009 and 2010 correct? Nobody was really raking it in those years.

// I think he was on record not liking a smaller iPad
 
2013-04-24 02:53:06 PM

MrEricSir: They're finally going to introduce the iRack?


i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-24 02:53:26 PM
Yeah, I think it was kind of interesting for Jobs to die when he did (at Apple's stock high point), which keeps his aura intact. But there was no way Apple could keep the growth growing as much as the analysts wanted, regardless if Jobs was around or not. Apple is still obscenely profitable, just not growing...as much.  It's not like the company is imploding.

And I'm not sure who, exactly, you are going to replace Tim Cook with. At a big-wig major tech firm like like Apple, you aren't going to be allowed to go fishing for some wacky, hippie visionary; you are shopping around in the CEO Daily Times looking for the latest bean-counter who is abandoning his executive desk for greater pastures. At the very best, you are probably going to get another Tim Cook, but without the background of the Apple insider culture. At the worst, you are going to get the CFO of a failing department store chain to come in and REALLY muck things up.

"Point is, Jobs' attention to detail struck me as a more consumer-oriented concern, "

Well, if you don't count the cases where Jobs failed, which everyone forgets about, even the most recent ones. Ping? One-million-dollars-to-produce interactive iAds? AppleTV really hasn't caught the world on fire, aside from the Apple-devotees who want a complete set of Apple products. The fact that Jobs hated the idea of games on the iPhone...yet the fact that they drive most of the app store income is a happy accident. (However, I really question whether jobs really meant it when he felt that a smaller iPad would be foolish given the amount of shrinkage in the iPod line. I'm assuming that was just marketing-speak for "don't wait for THAT, buy this one now!")
 
2013-04-24 02:56:51 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: MrEricSir: They're finally going to introduce the iRack?

[i38.tinypic.com image 600x450]


Finally, an Apple product that I would wait in line all night to buy.

/had better come with a waterproof case though
 
2013-04-24 03:05:47 PM

snowshovel: "Point is, Jobs' attention to detail struck me as a more consumer-oriented concern, "

Well, if you don't count the cases where Jobs failed,


Which weren't consumer-oriented? How are the two related? Ping, ads, AppleTV - all of these were consumer products (well, the ads weren't sold to consumers, but made to be consumed by them) that consumers didn't end up wanting. Jobs wasn't a perfect market-reader, but all of his insanity appeared (admittedly, based on some of the fawning articles written about him) to be based on getting a great product out, and damn the cost - if it wasn't or couldn't be made to his liking, it didn't get made.
 
2013-04-24 03:20:56 PM
Why does Apple always feel the need to make huge announcements like they're reinventing the wheel every time they're ready to take the curtains off more white plastic and brushed aluminum cover gadgets?.. Make fun of Google all you want but their method of creating tangible products out of a small, rough, loose ideas, giving it minimal investment and seeing if any of them catch on has worked well.. The ones that catch on they dump more funds into, the others get axed.. Android has been a slowly progressive climb.. Each revision a little more is added, a little more refined. The user base and the Android sites generate all the hype for them.  They've tripped over themselves a few releases though. Android 4.2 was a bug filled mess and it took them almost too long to rectify it with 4.2.2..
 
2013-04-24 03:24:05 PM

styckx: Why does Apple always feel the need to make huge announcements like they're reinventing the wheel every time they're ready to take the curtains off more white plastic and brushed aluminum cover gadgets?.. Make fun of Google all you want but their method of creating tangible products out of a small, rough, loose ideas, giving it minimal investment and seeing if any of them catch on has worked well.. The ones that catch on they dump more funds into, the others get axed.. Android has been a slowly progressive climb.. Each revision a little more is added, a little more refined. The user base and the Android sites generate all the hype for them.  They've tripped over themselves a few releases though. Android 4.2 was a bug filled mess and it took them almost too long to rectify it with 4.2.2..


Apple's made it work for them. You can't argue with their profit, or piles of money in the bank.
And if you think there are not Apple fan sites generating hype, then you have not been paying attention over the past 10 years.
 
2013-04-24 03:26:30 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: styckx: Why does Apple always feel the need to make huge announcements like they're reinventing the wheel every time they're ready to take the curtains off more white plastic and brushed aluminum cover gadgets?.. Make fun of Google all you want but their method of creating tangible products out of a small, rough, loose ideas, giving it minimal investment and seeing if any of them catch on has worked well.. The ones that catch on they dump more funds into, the others get axed.. Android has been a slowly progressive climb.. Each revision a little more is added, a little more refined. The user base and the Android sites generate all the hype for them.  They've tripped over themselves a few releases though. Android 4.2 was a bug filled mess and it took them almost too long to rectify it with 4.2.2..

Apple's made it work for them. You can't argue with their profit, or piles of money in the bank.
And if you think there are not Apple fan sites generating hype, then you have not been paying attention over the past 10 years.


They're also far from the only company that "makes announcements" these days.
 
2013-04-24 03:44:12 PM

styckx: Why does Apple always feel the need to make huge announcements like they're reinventing the wheel every time they're ready to take the curtains off more white plastic and brushed aluminum cover gadgets?.. Make fun of Google all you want but their method of creating tangible products out of a small, rough, loose ideas, giving it minimal investment and seeing if any of them catch on has worked well.. The ones that catch on they dump more funds into, the others get axed.. Android has been a slowly progressive climb.. Each revision a little more is added, a little more refined. The user base and the Android sites generate all the hype for them.  They've tripped over themselves a few releases though. Android 4.2 was a bug filled mess and it took them almost too long to rectify it with 4.2.2..


Every company makes product announcements. Sony just held a big event about the PS3. Google had one whenever they started talking about Glass. Samsung recently had one at the unveiling of each of the Galaxy S1-4 models.

I'm sure if you try hard enough you can -- and probably will -- convince yourself how Apple is worse because of... something.

At the end of the day they all seem basically the same to me, though: press events to sell products.
 
2013-04-24 03:53:09 PM
The current Apple age is over.

I'm sure they'll be back in 15 years. It's what they do. It's a silly rollercoaster company.
 
2013-04-24 04:07:57 PM

snowshovel: Yeah, I think it was kind of interesting for Jobs to die when he did (at Apple's stock high point), which keeps his aura intact. But there was no way Apple could keep the growth growing as much as the analysts wanted, regardless if Jobs was around or not. Apple is still obscenely profitable, just not growing...as much.  It's not like the company is imploding.

And I'm not sure who, exactly, you are going to replace Tim Cook with.


Exactly. But you'll be labeled a hater if you point it out. And I don;t think the analysts had fark all to do with it. They might influence you and they might influence me - or the average retail investor. But aapl was probably the most widely held stock in the world. The big pension funds and institutional investors don't give two shiats what cramer says on mad money.

Other obscenely profitable companies who have had languishing stocks - IBM, GE, MSFT, and the list goes on. The fact is when you get freakin' huge it's not difficult to make obscene profits. It is very difficult to keep getting obscene profit growth. There's nothing mysterious about what's happened to apple's stock. And cook was hand-picked by Jobs and was extremely instrumental in the profit growth that helped create the Jobs legend in the first place.
 
2013-04-24 04:25:33 PM

JohnBigBootay: snowshovel: Yeah, I think it was kind of interesting for Jobs to die when he did (at Apple's stock high point), which keeps his aura intact. But there was no way Apple could keep the growth growing as much as the analysts wanted, regardless if Jobs was around or not. Apple is still obscenely profitable, just not growing...as much.  It's not like the company is imploding.

And I'm not sure who, exactly, you are going to replace Tim Cook with.

Exactly. But you'll be labeled a hater if you point it out. And I don;t think the analysts had fark all to do with it. They might influence you and they might influence me - or the average retail investor. But aapl was probably the most widely held stock in the world. The big pension funds and institutional investors don't give two shiats what cramer says on mad money.

Other obscenely profitable companies who have had languishing stocks - IBM, GE, MSFT, and the list goes on. The fact is when you get freakin' huge it's not difficult to make obscene profits. It is very difficult to keep getting obscene profit growth. There's nothing mysterious about what's happened to apple's stock. And cook was hand-picked by Jobs and was extremely instrumental in the profit growth that helped create the Jobs legend in the first place.


My CSB about the stock market that makes me weep...

A company that I used to work for recently got bought out by a SMALLER company. This smaller company is going to be taking on a ton of debt to cover the cost, and many jobs will be lost as various departments are scuttled. The analysts who were writing about this buyout were overjoyed. Because, in paraphrased words:

"...while day-to-day fundamentals are nice, they don't excite the market like a good buy out does. This should certainly send a word to all of the other companies in the industry that we expect blockbuster deals and consolidations to make our investments worthwhile."
 
2013-04-24 04:29:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-24 04:33:01 PM

snowshovel: "...while day-to-day fundamentals are nice, they don't excite the market like a good buy out does. This should certainly send a word to all of the other companies in the industry that we expect blockbuster deals and consolidations to make our investments worthwhile."


Investors are looking for one thing - the NEXT big thing. You only get to be that for a little while. Once the stock price catches up with earnings growth - and for aapl it had already done so and then some - investors move on. It's that simple.
 
2013-04-24 04:54:54 PM

Dr Dreidel: JohnBigBootay: What has happened to aapl stock would have happened with jobs or not.

That's a hell of an assumption. I'm no huge Jobs fan, but the guy was solely dedicated to coming up with new technological shiat because he thought consumers could use it (and make a buck in the process), rather than trying to make a buck by figuring out what consumers want.


Considering how many years it can take to develop a product, you could argue that the current lack of new products is two or three years in the making -- while Jobs was still alive.

Another issue is that they were probably overvalued on the iPad. That is, one of the reason sales were so huge at first was due to their being virtually no competition. Investors bought the stock as if nobody else was going to get into the tablet game.

If you believe the rumor mill it sounds like they've been working on a TV forever. It seems like they've dragged their feet on it so long that so long people have just gotten use to the combination of a Roku or Blu-ray player with streaming for watching online content.

The much rumored iWatch could have a lot of potential. I could easily see that becoming a product that everyone wants for Christmas.
 
2013-04-24 05:05:56 PM
i677.photobucket.com

Wake me when they make an iOmniTool.
 
2013-04-24 05:29:14 PM

Myria: [i677.photobucket.com image 678x381]

Wake me when they make an iOmniTool.


Is that a big yellow dildo on her arm?
 
2013-04-24 05:37:52 PM

SleepingEye: Myria: [i677.photobucket.com image 678x381]

Wake me when they make an iOmniTool.

Is that a big yellow dildo on her arm?


The best part of an Omni-Tool is its mini-fabricator.  You can use it to 3D-print one should the...um...need arise.
 
2013-04-24 06:08:23 PM

JohnBigBootay: snowshovel: Yeah, I think it was kind of interesting for Jobs to die when he did (at Apple's stock high point), which keeps his aura intact. But there was no way Apple could keep the growth growing as much as the analysts wanted, regardless if Jobs was around or not. Apple is still obscenely profitable, just not growing...as much.  It's not like the company is imploding.

And I'm not sure who, exactly, you are going to replace Tim Cook with.

Exactly. But you'll be labeled a hater if you point it out. And I don;t think the analysts had fark all to do with it. They might influence you and they might influence me - or the average retail investor. But aapl was probably the most widely held stock in the world. The big pension funds and institutional investors don't give two shiats what cramer says on mad money.

Other obscenely profitable companies who have had languishing stocks - IBM, GE, MSFT, and the list goes on. The fact is when you get freakin' huge it's not difficult to make obscene profits. It is very difficult to keep getting obscene profit growth. There's nothing mysterious about what's happened to apple's stock. And cook was hand-picked by Jobs and was extremely instrumental in the profit growth that helped create the Jobs legend in the first place.


That's funny. I was called an Apple fanboi for pointing this out.
 
2013-04-24 06:09:08 PM

Dr Dreidel: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I think your assessment of Cook's attention to detail is a little harsh, it's now Ive's job to worry about those details.

And it wasn't necessarily Jobs' job to make the yellow look YELLOW (maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan). Point is, Jobs' attention to detail struck me as a more consumer-oriented concern, where Cook (and, TBF, most of the money-men in tech firms) doesn't strike me as they type who would care so long as units moved.

Similar to ConsoleCo suits who are telling us to "get over" always-on - this smacks of people who either don't use their own products (unlikely in Cook's case), or see improvements as delays, cost-overruns and opportunities for addons (oh, the onboard battery only lasts 5 hours? We'll sell an aftermarket "double-capacity" battery. Brilliant!*) rather than building the thing you set out to build.

// why yes, I do have something of a chip on my shoulder when it comes to bean-counters working in tech firms

*not taken from any real-world example I know of


According to his biography, it was Jobs' job to worry about those things. He micromanaged everything at Apple more than any other person could.

http://www.businessinsider.com/big-tech-org-charts-2011-6
static3.businessinsider.com
This graphic is funny because (according to people I know who worked there during Jobs' second stint) it's true.

Re: Bean counters, Cook made his mark as a manager and organizational leader, but he does have an engineering BS degree. Also, he worked closely with Jobs for more than ten years and has his personal stamp of approval. I seriously doubt he was just fooling Jobs and quickly reverted to penny-pinching and cutting features to make deadlines as soon as Jobs was pushing up the daisies.

But only time will tell. As another farker said, it was a long time between revolutions for Apple: 1977 (Apple I), 1984 (Mac), 1998 (iMac), 2001 (iPod, which took time to become a revolution), 2007 (iPhone), and 2010 (iPad). I don't think it would be unreasonable to give them another 10 years to reinvent some other market. Wall Street, however, probably won't wait that long.
 
2013-04-24 06:33:18 PM

illegal.tender: styckx: Why does Apple always feel the need to make huge announcements like they're reinventing the wheel every time they're ready to take the curtains off more white plastic and brushed aluminum cover gadgets?.. Make fun of Google all you want but their method of creating tangible products out of a small, rough, loose ideas, giving it minimal investment and seeing if any of them catch on has worked well.. The ones that catch on they dump more funds into, the others get axed.. Android has been a slowly progressive climb.. Each revision a little more is added, a little more refined. The user base and the Android sites generate all the hype for them.  They've tripped over themselves a few releases though. Android 4.2 was a bug filled mess and it took them almost too long to rectify it with 4.2.2..

Every company makes product announcements. Sony just held a big event about the PS3. Google had one whenever they started talking about Glass. Samsung recently had one at the unveiling of each of the Galaxy S1-4 models.

In all of those examples you listed, they said what the product would be.  Apple doesn't seem to like to do that.  They just say they're releasing something.
 
2013-04-24 06:43:37 PM
Slightly bigger/small screen != new product category
 
2013-04-24 06:51:18 PM

Flying Code Monkey: Slightly bigger/small screen != new product category


It does if it fits on your manflute.
 
2013-04-24 08:02:21 PM
I would consider an iWatch if it weren't a bloody fortune.  Having all my meetings and phone numbers convenient would be nice sometimes.  I wouldn't spend a fortune on it, but I would spend a bit.

/need a watch anyway.  Mines' on it's last legs.
 
2013-04-24 09:35:28 PM
Apple iGlass! it'll be totally new and fresh, unique. Google will just make cheap knock offs.

I want to get rid of my phone and carry a 7" tablet, plus Bluetooth headset. phone sucks for anything but being a phone.
 
2013-04-25 05:01:41 AM
I'd hate to have to charge my watch on a daily basis. I can't see it working for Apple.
 
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