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(Asbury Park Press)   Problem: School teacher busted with drugs. Principal reassures parents incident has little to do with the school. Solution: random search of students   (app.com) divider line 36
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2013-04-24 11:34:56 AM
Well odds are .... Well.... If...


Nope got nothing, I have no clue why anyone would do this.
 
2013-04-24 11:39:51 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well odds are .... Well.... If...


Nope got nothing, I have no clue why anyone would do this.


It's to normalize children to the presence of a police state.
 
2013-04-24 11:43:23 AM
Will these searches start on SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!!?????

/Better not be obscure here on Fark.
 
2013-04-24 11:48:45 AM
So the parents' phone calls and emails will stop.

"God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made theSchool Board." -Mark Twain
 
2013-04-24 11:49:25 AM
"If our school is infested with drugs, that is a problem,"

If my house is infested with drugs, that is a party!
 
2013-04-24 12:07:57 PM
ZERO TOLERANCE.
 
2013-04-24 12:27:50 PM
Oh for fark's sake.
 
2013-04-24 01:10:18 PM
Someone at the TSA just came in their pants.
 
2013-04-24 01:11:35 PM
If they wanted a random search they should have brought in dogs as soon as they arrested him to see if ge was dealing to the kids or buying off them. Beyond that it total bs fearmongering.
 
2013-04-24 01:12:28 PM

dj_bigbird: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well odds are .... Well.... If...


Nope got nothing, I have no clue why anyone would do this.

It's to normalize children to the presence of a police state.


QFT

Be a good little junior citizen and submit to your masters.  If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, right?
 
2013-04-24 01:18:46 PM
Back in my day, the PD would come by about once a month and let two dogs (a lab and a mutt) loose to run around the school. If they sat down in front of your locker, it got searched.

In loco parentis means that schools can act pretty much how they please. They can even tell you what to wear.

/off the lawn
 
2013-04-24 01:19:53 PM
The principle sounds like he has a future in public office.
 
2013-04-24 01:20:19 PM
and a police dispatcher...
 
2013-04-24 01:21:41 PM

runescorpio: If they wanted a random search they should have brought in dogs as soon as they arrested him to see if ge was dealing to the kids or buying off them. Beyond that it total bs fearmongering.


"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel
 
2013-04-24 01:26:05 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well odds are .... Well.... If...


Nope got nothing, I have no clue why anyone would do this.


Because a rule that the staff can be randomly searched would include the policy maker.
 
2013-04-24 01:26:46 PM
We need someone on the inside.

www.hollywoodreporter.com
 
2013-04-24 01:28:25 PM

runescorpio: If they wanted a random search they should have brought in dogs as soon as they arrested him to see if ge was dealing to the kids or buying off them. Beyond that it total bs fearmongering.


We used to have 'random' drug dog searches in my high school in the early 80s (tho long story they always concentrated on the students the principal didn't like) and I found out that the best way to end those for the day was to liberally douche my locker and textbook wih cayenne pepper. It also apparently gets you in more trouble when you do that.

In my case, it went so far as to having a lawyer file some sort of 'cease and desist'-type of thing with the school board after it happened enough times with the same students that a pattern emerged demonstating that they weren't so random after all.
 
2013-04-24 01:34:43 PM
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/shhhhhh
 
2013-04-24 01:50:24 PM
Well, the principal has to do something to keep his job.
 
2013-04-24 01:59:00 PM
He was busted with "drugs?"  What drugs?  I mean there is a difference between say,

"two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, laughers, screamers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls."

And say a bottle of Tylenol 3 without a prescription.  What "drugs" was he busted with?
 
2013-04-24 02:00:28 PM

way south: The principle sounds like he has a future in public office.


wambu: Well, the principal has to do something to keep his job.


Oh if you only knew the shenanigans that went on at Manalapan High School  with the previous principal last year, who was basically fired over petty errors because he or more less biatch slapped the politically connected school secretary. That said, it has been fairly common knowledge for years that there is a drug problem there.

/hoping our son gets into Biotechnology High School
 
2013-04-24 02:05:48 PM
I'll just leave this here:

US Supreme Court Decision:
Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (No. 21) (393 U.S. 503, 1969)


In our system, state-operated schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. School officials do not possess absolute authority over their students. Students in school, as well as out of school, are "persons" under our Constitution. They are possessed of fundamental rights which the State must respect, just as they themselves must respect their obligations to the State.

Randomly searching students seems, to me, a breach of the Fourth Amendment rights of the students.  School lockers, I understand...that is school property the school allowes the students to use and the students should have no expectation of privacy in that reguard.  They should, IMHO, be allowed the expectation of privacy of their person and their school bags/backpacks unless probable cause exists for them to be searched.

Again, just my opinion.  Take it as you may.
 
PJ-
2013-04-24 02:10:18 PM
Ah good old high school random searches.  The day where most of the students used to dose random lockers with cayenne pepper and shove their roaches inside any heater they could find.  Staff got wise to it pretty quickly and decided to just perform random locker searches on the usual suspects.  Problem was the usual suspects nabbed extra lockers and used them to hide their stash.

I guess since that doesn't work so well now-a-days (putting bolts on empty lockers and such), kids just throw a gram or two in a teachers desk and hope for the best.
 
2013-04-24 02:16:40 PM

Bschott007: I'll just leave this here:

US Supreme Court Decision:
Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (No. 21) (393 U.S. 503, 1969)

In our system, state-operated schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. School officials do not possess absolute authority over their students. Students in school, as well as out of school, are "persons" under our Constitution. They are possessed of fundamental rights which the State must respect, just as they themselves must respect their obligations to the State.

Randomly searching students seems, to me, a breach of the Fourth Amendment rights of the students.  School lockers, I understand...that is school property the school allowes the students to use and the students should have no expectation of privacy in that reguard.  They should, IMHO, be allowed the expectation of privacy of their person and their school bags/backpacks unless probable cause exists for them to be searched.

Again, just my opinion.  Take it as you may.


Seems about right. Several years ago here on Fark there was long, hotly debated thread about a northern California kid who was expelled from Willows High School when school administrators saw a shotgun partially hidden in his pickup, which was parked on a public street. The story is fairly convoluted, but for one thing the school board was about to get sued for a large settlement. For another, it brought the whole in loco parentis question into sharp focus, resulting in school districts backing way the fark off in their claims.
 
2013-04-24 02:30:47 PM
Because it's all they can do.
Teachers actually have rights....and a union.
 
2013-04-24 02:54:31 PM

PJ-: Ah good old high school random searches.  The day where most of the students used to dose random lockers with cayenne pepper and shove their roaches inside any heater they could find.  Staff got wise to it pretty quickly and decided to just perform random locker searches on the usual suspects.  Problem was the usual suspects nabbed extra lockers and used them to hide their stash.

I guess since that doesn't work so well now-a-days (putting bolts on empty lockers and such), kids just throw a gram or two in a teachers desk and hope for the best.


They did that at my school as well. Bought an extra lock and put their stash in an unused locker. One day a bunch of cops were in the parking lot so everyone figured they were there for random searches and someone used a bunch of stink bombs in the halls the rotten egg smell was nasty. Dunno if it had any effect on the dogs but nobody was busted for drugs. We did get a strong talking to by the principal though.
 
2013-04-24 03:08:29 PM
The principal then invaded Iraq.
 
2013-04-24 03:11:46 PM
Who I feel for are the students and teachers who use a little of this or that and actually do better in their job/studies than if they did not use. Of course, we can't have that because it would smash the whole "Drugs are bad, Mmmkay?" lie that is still permeating our society. Since I have never met a person who did cocaine, LSD, or heroin and were productive, safe and in control, I doubt those particular substances would be much help in a school setting (doesn't mean they couldn't with the right person and/or situation though). But a few hits of cannabis or a small cocktail with lunch can be very helpful with pain/depression issues. But oh no, we have to take drugs that are way more dangerous, and way more expensive because, well our overlords (hint: Big Pharma) say so!

/yes this hits home for me
//I still say if you are consistently doing your job very well, who farking cares what you are on? When you are more productive and more able to do your job than some of the sober idiots, what's the problem?
 
2013-04-24 03:36:15 PM
Where does it say they're going to search students? It says "random searches," and that "Policies involving staff and district equipment permit searches without a warrant, however."

Reading fail?

On the other hand, the "teacher" (actually assistant coach) had to get the drugs from somewhere, right?
 
2013-04-24 03:47:44 PM
And if any of the kids are on public aid, they should have to clean the toilets and pick up trash along the highway.  And they still don't get any lunch.

DRAW A LINE, PEOPLE
 
2013-04-24 03:57:10 PM

royone: Where does it say they're going to search students? It says "random searches," and that "Policies involving staff and district equipment permit searches without a warrant, however."

Reading fail?

On the other hand, the "teacher" (actually assistant coach) had to get the drugs from somewhere, right?


Subby here.....

It says so in the 1st paragraph. If I read it wrong, I don't care now. Just had my first article in years green-lit
 
2013-04-24 03:58:06 PM
genner:  Because it's all they can do.
Teachers actually have rights....and a union.


And they are the ones known to have been bringing drugs into the school.
 
2013-04-24 05:16:39 PM

Moose23: royone: Where does it say they're going to search students? It says "random searches," and that "Policies involving staff and district equipment permit searches without a warrant, however."

[...].

It says so in the 1st paragraph. If I read it wrong, I don't care now. Just had my first article in years green-lit


You're right, it does. Reading fail on my part. Congrats on your greenlight.
 
2013-04-24 06:34:52 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Will these searches start on SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!!!?????

/Better not be obscure here on Fark.


jesus built my hot rod!
 
2013-04-24 07:05:27 PM

Bschott007: I'll just leave this here:

US Supreme Court Decision:
Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (No. 21) (393 U.S. 503, 1969)

In our system, state-operated schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. School officials do not possess absolute authority over their students. Students in school, as well as out of school, are "persons" under our Constitution. They are possessed of fundamental rights which the State must respect, just as they themselves must respect their obligations to the State.

Randomly searching students seems, to me, a breach of the Fourth Amendment rights of the students.  School lockers, I understand...that is school property the school allowes the students to use and the students should have no expectation of privacy in that reguard.  They should, IMHO, be allowed the expectation of privacy of their person and their school bags/backpacks unless probable cause exists for them to be searched.

Again, just my opinion.  Take it as you may.


The Fourth what, now?  Oh, right, that "Constitution" thing.  Yeah, that was an inconvenience to proper and effective government, and so they got rid of it piece by piece by telling The People that "it was for their own good" because "it's archaic and was written for a different era that no longer exists" and that by passing a lot of anti-Rights legislation, it was somehow  "protecting" your Rights.  Most people bought that crap hook, line, and sinker and now here we are.
 
2013-04-24 07:18:44 PM
A disastrous combination - your typical mentally-challenged school officials plus ham-fisted asshole cops.
And the kids all suffer.
Sad.
 
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