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2013-04-24 11:54:12 AM  
3 votes:

kindms: She should have beat her son with the Bat. He is the one making bad decisions. And where is he getting money for the heroin ?

She failed as a parent and is lashing out violently at others instead of dealing with her son who thinks sticking a needle in his arm is all well and good.


In theory I agree, but once the fact that it sounds like he was recovering then re-introduced to the drug by this prick 22-year-old, and how addictive it is that saying "he's just making bad decisions" sort of undersells the nature of the drug. The kid has made bad decisions, but the mom was making him take drug tests daily and taking him to work and all that they mention. She may have failed as a parent at one point but it doesn't sound like she doesn't care. Doesn't sound like this other kid's dad is a sterling parent either, burying his head in the sand. Some people blame the victims of drug abuse, but I don't think that absolves enablers.

If I was a parent, I can definitely feel where she's coming from, so I can't throw stones here. Same reason lots of folks apparently still hold Andy Dick responsible for Phil Hartman's death after he reintroduced Phil's wife to coke. And if you're gonna be a heroin dealer, better be prepared for some psychos to whoop your ass sooner or later.
2013-04-24 11:45:37 AM  
3 votes:
She should have beat her son with the Bat. He is the one making bad decisions. And where is he getting money for the heroin ?

She failed as a parent and is lashing out violently at others instead of dealing with her son who thinks sticking a needle in his arm is all well and good.
2013-04-24 11:45:07 AM  
3 votes:

KangTheMad: Innocent. Case done, next!


this.

/two words: "Jury Nullification"
2013-04-24 11:44:16 AM  
3 votes:
"Your honor, we would like to instead give the defendent this spiked baseball bat for the next time her son's drug dealer shows up."
2013-04-24 12:06:16 PM  
2 votes:
So on Fark, murder is OK if it's a heroin dealer.
And drugs should be legal, as long as it's not heroin.
Got it.
2013-04-24 12:00:00 PM  
2 votes:

Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.


Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.
2013-04-24 11:55:49 AM  
2 votes:

Electromax: kindms: She should have beat her son with the Bat. He is the one making bad decisions. And where is he getting money for the heroin ?

She failed as a parent and is lashing out violently at others instead of dealing with her son who thinks sticking a needle in his arm is all well and good.

In theory I agree, but once the fact that it sounds like he was recovering then re-introduced to the drug by this prick 22-year-old, and how addictive it is that saying "he's just making bad decisions" sort of undersells the nature of the drug. The kid has made bad decisions, but the mom was making him take drug tests daily and taking him to work and all that they mention. She may have failed as a parent at one point but it doesn't sound like she doesn't care. Doesn't sound like this other kid's dad is a sterling parent either, burying his head in the sand. Some people blame the victims of drug abuse, but I don't think that absolves enablers.

If I was a parent, I can definitely feel where she's coming from, so I can't throw stones here. Same reason lots of folks apparently still hold Andy Dick responsible for Phil Hartman's death after he reintroduced Phil's wife to coke. And if you're gonna be a heroin dealer, better be prepared for some psychos to whoop your ass sooner or later.


This. Not all drugs can just be walked away from.
2013-04-24 11:47:20 AM  
2 votes:
Shes guilty of assault...

....and i still wouldnt vote guilty.
2013-04-24 11:47:09 AM  
2 votes:

Aarontology: Don't commit the crime if you can't do the time.

She should have called the police.


Actually, if they can't provide her a jury trial as is her right, she walks.
2013-04-24 11:41:11 AM  
2 votes:
Innocent. Case done, next!
2013-04-24 07:38:01 PM  
1 vote:

Bravo Two: Rapmaster2000: No, no. We learned in Death Wish IV that to get rid of drugs we need to shoot all the drug dealers and then there will be no more drugs for drug addicts to use.

Kill the dealers, destroy the infrastructure, it'd be a hell of a lot harder to find drugs for people to use.


Which is why the War on Drugs has been so successful, right? Because in the free market, reducing the supply magically decreases the demand. Just like those "Only five ever made!" eliminates the demand (and asking price) for high-powered sports cars.

/A War on Drug Abuse/Addiction would have been more successful because it would have focused on reducing demand, thereby reducing the supply and all the awfulness that comes with that particular supply chain.
2013-04-24 05:09:36 PM  
1 vote:

OniNeko: As a former crank addict I can tell all the judgey farkers in this thread that it's not as easy as deciding not to do it again, especially when the people supplying it keep coming around. I had to move halfway across the country to deprive myself of the opportunity so I could clean up, and I  stillnearly relapsed on one occasion.

It's obvious that some of them are trolling. It's the ignorant farks that worry me. They clearly know nothing of addiction.


I'm dealing with a 14 year old, child of a crack whore.  Everything was ok until he hit 6th grade, and started riding the school bus with high school kids.  This county's efforts to save money put an 11 year old addict in the world of 18 year olds, ready to try anything and everything.  For any body not living this nightmare, let me tell you something.  If I could get my hands on the asshats that thought it was funny to watch little kids get wasted on the bus, I would be serving serious time.  Give mom a medal, and accuracy lessons.
2013-04-24 03:20:41 PM  
1 vote:
As a former crank addict I can tell all the judgey farkers in this thread that it's not as easy as deciding not to do it again, especially when the people supplying it keep coming around. I had to move halfway across the country to deprive myself of the opportunity so I could clean up, and I  stillnearly relapsed on one occasion.

It's obvious that some of them are trolling. It's the ignorant farks that worry me. They clearly know nothing of addiction.
2013-04-24 02:31:39 PM  
1 vote:

kindms: She should have beat her son with the Bat. He is the one making bad decisions. And where is he getting money for the heroin ?

She failed as a parent and is lashing out violently at others instead of dealing with her son who thinks sticking a needle in his arm is all well and good.


Clearly, you have never had to deal with an addict in your family.  Anyone who has would tell you that wouldn't work.

During selection, I would tell the judge how I would weigh the evidence carefully and take the law into consideration and then vote to acquit no matter how good the prosecutor's case was.
Nib
2013-04-24 01:52:22 PM  
1 vote:
Ahh yes she is definitely a hero.  Next we need to beat up deli store owners for selling alcohol and tobacco to people.  Then it's on to fast food workers for selling deadly fatty food.  Let's just beat up anyone who sells anything bad for us.
2013-04-24 01:04:18 PM  
1 vote:

kindms: She should have beat her son with the Bat. He is the one making bad decisions. And where is he getting money for the heroin ?

She failed as a parent and is lashing out violently at others instead of dealing with her son who thinks sticking a needle in his arm is all well and good.


As someone with a brother-in-law that's been clean off of prescription drug addiction, STFU. It's not that easy to just up and walk away from this stuff once it's in your system. My BIL says every day gets a little easier, but there isn't a day that goes by that he doesn't think about finding a place to score a small fix. You don't just wake up one morning and say "I think I'll decide to give up heroin!" and that's that. My BIL needed treatment to counteract the withdrawls and even then it was three painful days to fight through.

Was it a bad decision for him to start? Yes, definitely, but it was brought on by a failing marriage and long bouts of depression and anxiety. Both of which are good doorways into drug use if untreated. The kid was 19. They're known for doing stupid things, especially with people they know and trust, like a neighbor.

The mom was doing what she could to keep him clean by keeping him with her as much as possible and to change his living environment to avoid contact that might put him back on that path. She did probably as much as she was financially and emotionally capable as she could in her circumstance. I doubt she realized that her own neighbor was the source and was trying to keep him addicted. I would have probably had the same reaction had it been my son and my neighbor.
2013-04-24 12:43:48 PM  
1 vote:
I got four kids.  If I find any one of them using herion, this is the way it would shake out:  First the kids would get it, then I'd stick them in in-patient rehab.  Next, I'd take care of the dealer, giving him/her a one way ticket to in-patient rehab....not drug rehab...orthopedic...

And if I have to do a few weeks for assault?  Fine.  At least I can say I look out for my children.
2013-04-24 12:28:00 PM  
1 vote:

Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: And from the article, it sounds like this asshat dealer was in and out of the joint

So what? Are you saying that ex-cons don't deserve any civil liberties, or protection under the law? Look, I'm not pro-heroine, or anything, and I'll agree that the guy is scum, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't get to enjoy the same rights as you and I. For that matter, what gives YOU the right to determine what crimes should be punished by a baseball bat beating? What if someone decides that YOU'RE doing something that warrants a beating?


Perhaps, as a hard-drug dealer he gets a few extra rights. One of them is the right to enjoy regular beatings with a baseball bat.
2013-04-24 12:19:33 PM  
1 vote:

Bravo Two [TotalFark]

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why beat the dealer? Beat up your son who is the one actually abusing the substance. Or yourself, for raising a farking junkie.

Yes, because it's completely her fault, right? No one ever goes out and does something bad, or gets hooked by trying something a friend offered, and then couldn't get off it? Right. You used to be cool.


As an exjunkie, i can tell you it's MONTHS of daily use to get physically addicted the first time. After that, 3 days of use will do it. Even after rehab.

I also approve of her actions. He'll hopefully live to thank you one day Ma'am.
2013-04-24 12:11:15 PM  
1 vote:
Why beat the dealer? Beat up your son who is the one actually abusing the substance. Or yourself, for raising a farking junkie.
2013-04-24 12:02:47 PM  
1 vote:

Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.

Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.


and THAT is why we have juror nullification. We get to not only "judge" the law, but also HOW it is applied to the circumstances of each individual case. In life, its what you KNOW - in court, its only what you CAN PROVE. Its left up to the individual jurors, lest you get stuck with stupid shiat like zero-tolerance policies....
2013-04-24 12:00:06 PM  
1 vote:
so... why do people hate heroin dealers?

yes, they sell something that might kill you, but you don't have to buy it. guns and motorbikes kill people, we don't have a problem with motorbike dealerships

yes it's addictive, but so is gambling

inneresting
2013-04-24 11:58:02 AM  
1 vote:

Lady J: hmm, whilst im sympathetic (ish) to her situation, the dealer wasn't holding a gun to the kid's head. and if hadnt sold it to him, he would of got it somewhere else.


In THIS case, I don't think so. If she really WAS doing all that stuff to try and keep him from doing it, it was more a matter of convenience. True, he will at some point WANT to quit, but if your kid is an alcoholic, you don't intentionally move your family across the street from a bar....
2013-04-24 11:54:55 AM  
1 vote:

HMS_Blinkin: jtown: What DA was stupid enough to go forward with the case, anyway?

Maybe the DA was ok with not getting a conviction in this case?


DA's LOVE to tout their win-loss record. No DA is going to intentionally tank their record. They'd just refuse to prosecute.
2013-04-24 11:54:27 AM  
1 vote:

Rapmaster2000: No, no. We learned in Death Wish IV that to get rid of drugs we need to shoot all the drug dealers and then there will be no more drugs for drug addicts to use.


Kill the dealers, destroy the infrastructure, it'd be a hell of a lot harder to find drugs for people to use.
2013-04-24 11:53:04 AM  
1 vote:

Lady J: hmm, whilst im sympathetic (ish) to her situation, the dealer wasn't holding a gun to the kid's head. and if hadnt sold it to him, he would of got it somewhere else. i don't think you can force an addict to quit, they've got to want to, else even if you succeed short term, that's all it'll be

heroin and crack use has fallen in the UK recently. use of recreationals up though, I think


No, no.  We learned in Death Wish IV that to get rid of drugs we need to shoot all the drug dealers and then there will be no more drugs for drug addicts to use.
2013-04-24 11:48:48 AM  
1 vote:
hmm, whilst im sympathetic (ish) to her situation, the dealer wasn't holding a gun to the kid's head. and if hadnt sold it to him, he would of got it somewhere else. i don't think you can force an addict to quit, they've got to want to, else even if you succeed short term, that's all it'll be

heroin and crack use has fallen in the UK recently. use of recreationals up though, I think
2013-04-24 11:46:19 AM  
1 vote:
Oh man, Rural Jefferson County is awesome. Take an episode of Buckwild, cross it with an episode of COPS, and get it high on meth - then you have Jefferson County. The further north you get, the closer you are to St. Louis, so there's a bit less damage that direction, but down south it's all hillbilly tweakers with shotguns.

That dude who was an "undercover FBI agent" who led police raids on meth houses in Missouri? Pretty sure he was in Jefferson County, although he might've been further west. Whole lotta crazy down there.
2013-04-24 11:45:36 AM  
1 vote:
Pick trial by judge if you're innocent, jury if you're guilty.  I think she chose wisely.  Even if they have video from 10 angles showing her sneaking up on him while he's sleeping and bashing him with a crowbar, what jury would convict her?  Jury nullification in action.  What DA was stupid enough to go forward with the case, anyway?  Is that the only crime that's happened in that county this year?
2013-04-24 11:45:14 AM  
1 vote:
The DA is a dumbass for letting it get to a Jury Trial.  This is a case where he should have let it drag out until dropped on 6th Amendment grounds.
2013-04-24 11:45:07 AM  
1 vote:

KangTheMad: Innocent. Case done, next!


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