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2013-04-24 11:39:33 AM
First problem is, lots of heroin dealers in Missouri.
 
2013-04-24 11:40:31 AM
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2013-04-24 11:40:55 AM
on goes

Is that what the voir dire portion of a trial is called?
 
2013-04-24 11:41:11 AM
Innocent. Case done, next!
 
2013-04-24 11:42:21 AM
Don't commit the crime if you can't do the time.

She should have called the police.
 
2013-04-24 11:44:16 AM
"Your honor, we would like to instead give the defendent this spiked baseball bat for the next time her son's drug dealer shows up."
 
2013-04-24 11:45:07 AM

KangTheMad: Innocent. Case done, next!


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2013-04-24 11:45:07 AM

KangTheMad: Innocent. Case done, next!


this.

/two words: "Jury Nullification"
 
2013-04-24 11:45:12 AM
Sure makes you wonder why they greenlight this, yet let so many others go by the wayside.

Maybe one of the mods is dyslexic too?
 
2013-04-24 11:45:14 AM
The DA is a dumbass for letting it get to a Jury Trial.  This is a case where he should have let it drag out until dropped on 6th Amendment grounds.
 
2013-04-24 11:45:36 AM
Pick trial by judge if you're innocent, jury if you're guilty.  I think she chose wisely.  Even if they have video from 10 angles showing her sneaking up on him while he's sleeping and bashing him with a crowbar, what jury would convict her?  Jury nullification in action.  What DA was stupid enough to go forward with the case, anyway?  Is that the only crime that's happened in that county this year?
 
2013-04-24 11:45:37 AM
She should have beat her son with the Bat. He is the one making bad decisions. And where is he getting money for the heroin ?

She failed as a parent and is lashing out violently at others instead of dealing with her son who thinks sticking a needle in his arm is all well and good.
 
2013-04-24 11:46:19 AM
Oh man, Rural Jefferson County is awesome. Take an episode of Buckwild, cross it with an episode of COPS, and get it high on meth - then you have Jefferson County. The further north you get, the closer you are to St. Louis, so there's a bit less damage that direction, but down south it's all hillbilly tweakers with shotguns.

That dude who was an "undercover FBI agent" who led police raids on meth houses in Missouri? Pretty sure he was in Jefferson County, although he might've been further west. Whole lotta crazy down there.
 
2013-04-24 11:46:20 AM

belome: Sure makes you wonder why they greenlight this, yet let so many others go by the wayside.

Maybe one of the mods is dyslexic too?


Mods are ultimate trolls, demons some say, that feed on the hatred of others.
 
2013-04-24 11:46:29 AM
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2013-04-24 11:47:09 AM

Aarontology: Don't commit the crime if you can't do the time.

She should have called the police.


Actually, if they can't provide her a jury trial as is her right, she walks.
 
2013-04-24 11:47:20 AM
Shes guilty of assault...

....and i still wouldnt vote guilty.
 
2013-04-24 11:47:33 AM
She was found guilty, but the judge will probably fine her a dollar. It's not like the little lady actually hurt the dude - just gave him a new respect for mother's with bats.
 
2013-04-24 11:47:37 AM

belome: Sure makes you wonder why they greenlight this, yet let so many others go by the wayside.

Maybe one of the mods is dyslexic too?


Or;


Makes you wonder how often mods green links they on going submitted.
 
2013-04-24 11:48:05 AM

jtown: What DA was stupid enough to go forward with the case, anyway?


Maybe the DA was ok with not getting a conviction in this case?
 
2013-04-24 11:48:34 AM
If she had done her job as a parent and beat up her son early and often, that poor heroin dealer needn't have suffered.
 
2013-04-24 11:48:48 AM
hmm, whilst im sympathetic (ish) to her situation, the dealer wasn't holding a gun to the kid's head. and if hadnt sold it to him, he would of got it somewhere else. i don't think you can force an addict to quit, they've got to want to, else even if you succeed short term, that's all it'll be

heroin and crack use has fallen in the UK recently. use of recreationals up though, I think
 
2013-04-24 11:48:58 AM
I can see a clever attorney getting her off on self-defense, based on her protecting her child from a dealer that provided him with a drug that destroys lives or some such argument.
 
2013-04-24 11:50:06 AM
She should sue him in civil court for damage to her bat.  I think she'd win.
 
2013-04-24 11:51:12 AM
from tfa as well, she struck him twice on the elbow anyway which is hardly a beating.

waste of court time tbh
 
2013-04-24 11:52:21 AM
i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.
 
2013-04-24 11:53:04 AM

Lady J: hmm, whilst im sympathetic (ish) to her situation, the dealer wasn't holding a gun to the kid's head. and if hadnt sold it to him, he would of got it somewhere else. i don't think you can force an addict to quit, they've got to want to, else even if you succeed short term, that's all it'll be

heroin and crack use has fallen in the UK recently. use of recreationals up though, I think


No, no.  We learned in Death Wish IV that to get rid of drugs we need to shoot all the drug dealers and then there will be no more drugs for drug addicts to use.
 
2013-04-24 11:54:12 AM

kindms: She should have beat her son with the Bat. He is the one making bad decisions. And where is he getting money for the heroin ?

She failed as a parent and is lashing out violently at others instead of dealing with her son who thinks sticking a needle in his arm is all well and good.


In theory I agree, but once the fact that it sounds like he was recovering then re-introduced to the drug by this prick 22-year-old, and how addictive it is that saying "he's just making bad decisions" sort of undersells the nature of the drug. The kid has made bad decisions, but the mom was making him take drug tests daily and taking him to work and all that they mention. She may have failed as a parent at one point but it doesn't sound like she doesn't care. Doesn't sound like this other kid's dad is a sterling parent either, burying his head in the sand. Some people blame the victims of drug abuse, but I don't think that absolves enablers.

If I was a parent, I can definitely feel where she's coming from, so I can't throw stones here. Same reason lots of folks apparently still hold Andy Dick responsible for Phil Hartman's death after he reintroduced Phil's wife to coke. And if you're gonna be a heroin dealer, better be prepared for some psychos to whoop your ass sooner or later.
 
2013-04-24 11:54:27 AM

Rapmaster2000: No, no. We learned in Death Wish IV that to get rid of drugs we need to shoot all the drug dealers and then there will be no more drugs for drug addicts to use.


Kill the dealers, destroy the infrastructure, it'd be a hell of a lot harder to find drugs for people to use.
 
2013-04-24 11:54:55 AM

HMS_Blinkin: jtown: What DA was stupid enough to go forward with the case, anyway?

Maybe the DA was ok with not getting a conviction in this case?


DA's LOVE to tout their win-loss record. No DA is going to intentionally tank their record. They'd just refuse to prosecute.
 
2013-04-24 11:55:00 AM

belome: Sure makes you wonder why they greenlight this, yet let so many others go by the wayside.

Maybe one of the mods is dyslexic too?



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2013-04-24 11:55:49 AM

Electromax: kindms: She should have beat her son with the Bat. He is the one making bad decisions. And where is he getting money for the heroin ?

She failed as a parent and is lashing out violently at others instead of dealing with her son who thinks sticking a needle in his arm is all well and good.

In theory I agree, but once the fact that it sounds like he was recovering then re-introduced to the drug by this prick 22-year-old, and how addictive it is that saying "he's just making bad decisions" sort of undersells the nature of the drug. The kid has made bad decisions, but the mom was making him take drug tests daily and taking him to work and all that they mention. She may have failed as a parent at one point but it doesn't sound like she doesn't care. Doesn't sound like this other kid's dad is a sterling parent either, burying his head in the sand. Some people blame the victims of drug abuse, but I don't think that absolves enablers.

If I was a parent, I can definitely feel where she's coming from, so I can't throw stones here. Same reason lots of folks apparently still hold Andy Dick responsible for Phil Hartman's death after he reintroduced Phil's wife to coke. And if you're gonna be a heroin dealer, better be prepared for some psychos to whoop your ass sooner or later.


This. Not all drugs can just be walked away from.
 
2013-04-24 11:56:34 AM

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2013-04-24 11:58:02 AM

Lady J: hmm, whilst im sympathetic (ish) to her situation, the dealer wasn't holding a gun to the kid's head. and if hadnt sold it to him, he would of got it somewhere else.


In THIS case, I don't think so. If she really WAS doing all that stuff to try and keep him from doing it, it was more a matter of convenience. True, he will at some point WANT to quit, but if your kid is an alcoholic, you don't intentionally move your family across the street from a bar....
 
2013-04-24 11:58:38 AM
I had an old boyfriend you was a pill head - the dealer actually started calling my house after awhile. Although my first urge was to cause ha to him, I realized that it would just get me in trouble so I got rid of the boyfriend. With that said, I completely understand the mother's urge to do this and I could not convict her. I always admired Carrol O'Conner's stance with his son's dealer after his suicide...
 
2013-04-24 12:00:00 PM

Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.


Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.
 
2013-04-24 12:00:06 PM
so... why do people hate heroin dealers?

yes, they sell something that might kill you, but you don't have to buy it. guns and motorbikes kill people, we don't have a problem with motorbike dealerships

yes it's addictive, but so is gambling

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2013-04-24 12:02:47 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.

Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.


and THAT is why we have juror nullification. We get to not only "judge" the law, but also HOW it is applied to the circumstances of each individual case. In life, its what you KNOW - in court, its only what you CAN PROVE. Its left up to the individual jurors, lest you get stuck with stupid shiat like zero-tolerance policies....
 
2013-04-24 12:02:51 PM

Bravo Two: Rapmaster2000: No, no. We learned in Death Wish IV that to get rid of drugs we need to shoot all the drug dealers and then there will be no more drugs for drug addicts to use.

Kill the dealers, destroy the infrastructure, it'd be a hell of a lot harder to find drugs for people to use.


Right.  If we kill the dealers, then there won't be anyone else to deal drugs.
 
2013-04-24 12:06:16 PM
So on Fark, murder is OK if it's a heroin dealer.
And drugs should be legal, as long as it's not heroin.
Got it.
 
2013-04-24 12:06:27 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.

Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.


And from the article, it sounds like this asshat dealer was in and out of the joint more often than my penis is in and out of your mom. There comes a point where they don't just learn.
 
2013-04-24 12:07:37 PM

Begoggle: So on Fark, murder is OK if it's a heroin dealer.
And drugs should be legal, as long as it's not heroin.
Got it.


wait, who got murdered?  And yeah, in certain cases, killing a guy is necessary and isn't murder.
 
2013-04-24 12:08:19 PM

Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.


Me too, I love how there are people who think vigilante murder isn't OK.  Like those bombers in Boston.  Not OK, I guess?
 
2013-04-24 12:09:59 PM

Bravo Two: Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.

Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.

And from the article, it sounds like this asshat dealer was in and out of the joint more often than my penis is in and out of your mom. There comes a point where they don't just learn.


You sound like the right guy for my team.  Can you swing a sack of door knobs?  We have sacks available, but you've got to supply your own knobs.
 
2013-04-24 12:11:15 PM
Why beat the dealer? Beat up your son who is the one actually abusing the substance. Or yourself, for raising a farking junkie.
 
2013-04-24 12:11:17 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.

Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.


There are many cases where they do a rather poor job.

Besides, it does not appear as if the guy was killed. She's being tried on charges of third-degree assault.
 
2013-04-24 12:11:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: Bravo Two: Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.

Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.

And from the article, it sounds like this asshat dealer was in and out of the joint more often than my penis is in and out of your mom. There comes a point where they don't just learn.

You sound like the right guy for my team.  Can you swing a sack of door knobs?  We have sacks available, but you've got to supply your own knobs.


*hefts viking longsword* fark a bunch of doorknobs.
 
2013-04-24 12:12:21 PM

Marine1: Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.

Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.

There are many cases where they do a rather poor job.

Besides, it does not appear as if the guy was killed. She's being tried on charges of third-degree assault.


This.
 
2013-04-24 12:13:26 PM

Bravo Two: And from the article, it sounds like this asshat dealer was in and out of the joint


So what? Are you saying that ex-cons don't deserve any civil liberties, or protection under the law? Look, I'm not pro-heroine, or anything, and I'll agree that the guy is scum, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't get to enjoy the same rights as you and I. For that matter, what gives YOU the right to determine what crimes should be punished by a baseball bat beating? What if someone decides that YOU'RE doing something that warrants a beating?
 
2013-04-24 12:14:05 PM

Bravo Two: Rapmaster2000: Bravo Two: Sin_City_Superhero: Bravo Two: i love how there're people on Fark and elsewhere that would convict her.

Me too. She assaulted the guy with a bat. She gets a trial to determine if she is guilty. That is a courtesy she did not extend to her victim. Regardless of your feelings, we do NOT condone vigilantee justice in this country. She is not the police, judge, jury, and enforcer. We pay taxes to pay for a comprehensive justice system...cops, attorneys, judges, jailers, etc. She should've let them do their job.

And from the article, it sounds like this asshat dealer was in and out of the joint more often than my penis is in and out of your mom. There comes a point where they don't just learn.

You sound like the right guy for my team.  Can you swing a sack of door knobs?  We have sacks available, but you've got to supply your own knobs.

*hefts viking longsword* fark a bunch of doorknobs.


OK.  I'll drive and you can ride in the sidecar.
 
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