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(Hardball Talk)   Plaque honoring Bonds* home run record* is missing   ( hardballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line
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2013-04-24 11:16:24 AM  
Probably got a swelled head and ran home.
 
2013-04-24 11:18:38 AM  
Nice asterisk placement there, subby.   +1
 
2013-04-24 11:25:04 AM  
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2013-04-24 11:31:40 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:

Came here to post the exact same thing. Thank god I read the thread today
 
2013-04-24 11:35:20 AM  
inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated
 
2013-04-24 11:38:16 AM  

BKITU: inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated


How many home runs are we taking away from Hank Aaron for using amphetamines
 
2013-04-24 11:39:27 AM  
Bonds' Hall of Fame plaque is also known to be missing, courtesy of about 360 BBWAA members.

Oh snap.
 
2013-04-24 11:40:34 AM  

ElwoodCuse: BKITU: inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated

How many home runs are we taking away from Hank Aaron for using amphetamines


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Like farking clockwork.
 
2013-04-24 11:50:33 AM  

BKITU: inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated


I loathe Barry Bonds, who is a giant leaky asshole, and I hate the Giants. But it's asinine to pretend that the entire sport isn't awash in PEDs, or hasn't been the abode of cheaters since the sport began. It's an issue of recognizing reality.
 
2013-04-24 12:41:28 PM  

BKITU: inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated


If a professional isn't cheating, he isn't trying hard enough.

I miss watching Steve Carlton speeding his titties off, and I miss Mark McGwire trying to control his roid rage at the plate.  I loved watching Bonds smash anything thrown near the plate out of the park.  Seeing Lance Armstrong leave the field in the dust was a thing of beauty.  And without drugs, I would have seen none of these things.

I say we ban drug testing.  That would solve practically everything that's wrong with sports today.
 
2013-04-24 12:42:35 PM  

ElwoodCuse: BKITU: inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated

How many home runs are we taking away from Hank Aaron for using amphetamines


How many wins are we docking Steve Carlton for the same?
 
2013-04-24 12:53:41 PM  
So if the entire group of power hitters for an entire era were using PEDs, and Barry Bonds was the only one that you simply could not pitch to, do we apologize to him? I mean, he's the face of PEDs in the era known for PEDs simply because his use made him a monster at the plate. Do we just write it off and say he was a stud and let him in the hall of fame? I say we do.
 
2013-04-24 01:02:39 PM  

Cagey B: BKITU: inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated

I loathe Barry Bonds, who is a giant leaky asshole, and I hate the Giants. But it's asinine to pretend that the entire sport isn't awash in PEDs, or hasn't been the abode of cheaters since the sport began. It's an issue of recognizing reality.


I don't see the PED issue as being quite as clear cut as people make it out to be. How is getting a dead man's ligament put into your arm (Tommy John surgery) not performance enhancing? Why is it OK to inject your own stem cells into your knee to facilitate recovery from injury, but not OK to get a transfusion of your own blood to increase your endurance?

Similarly, we also take different views of cheating. Gaylord Perry's entire career was built around an illegal pitch; Whitey Ford was also a notorious ball scuffer, often with the help of his catchers Yogi Berra and Elston Howard. Amphetimine use was rampant in the 60's (but was it against the rules? Probably not). But I've never seen anyone propose that Perry have an asterisk next to his name on the list of 300 game winners.

I don't mean to suggest there is an easy answer, and the players are on notice to what procedures are banned, but it strikes me that as a sports culture we've been somewhat arbitrary as to what's copasetic and what isn't.
 
2013-04-24 01:15:17 PM  

Willas Tyrell: Cagey B: BKITU: inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated

I loathe Barry Bonds, who is a giant leaky asshole, and I hate the Giants. But it's asinine to pretend that the entire sport isn't awash in PEDs, or hasn't been the abode of cheaters since the sport began. It's an issue of recognizing reality.

I don't see the PED issue as being quite as clear cut as people make it out to be. How is getting a dead man's ligament put into your arm (Tommy John surgery) not performance enhancing? Why is it OK to inject your own stem cells into your knee to facilitate recovery from injury, but not OK to get a transfusion of your own blood to increase your endurance?

Similarly, we also take different views of cheating. Gaylord Perry's entire career was built around an illegal pitch; Whitey Ford was also a notorious ball scuffer, often with the help of his catchers Yogi Berra and Elston Howard. Amphetimine use was rampant in the 60's (but was it against the rules? Probably not). But I've never seen anyone propose that Perry have an asterisk next to his name on the list of 300 game winners.

I don't mean to suggest there is an easy answer, and the players are on notice to what procedures are banned, but it strikes me that as a sports culture we've been somewhat arbitrary as to what's copasetic and what isn't.


I feel like it's only baseball and cycling. I don't think people care about it in the other sports.
 
2013-04-24 01:16:07 PM  

Willas Tyrell: I don't mean to suggest there is an easy answer, and the players are on notice to what procedures are banned, but it strikes me that as a sports culture we've been somewhat arbitrary as to what's copasetic and what isn't.


Indeed we are. Usually it boils down to "put an asterisk on this guy because I don't like him".
 
2013-04-24 01:30:55 PM  

Cagey B: Indeed we are. Usually it boils down to "put an asterisk on this guy because I don't like him".


Or because we loved the other guyso much.  Nobody hated Maris, they just thought a lot of Ruth.
 
2013-04-24 02:15:48 PM  
OH sweet, another PED's thread. This time, we're definitely going to settle this, once and for all.
 
2013-04-24 02:30:55 PM  

Willas Tyrell: I don't mean to suggest there is an easy answer,


I do.  Eliminate all the drug testers.  By any means necessary.  Hunt them down like the dogs that they are.
 
2013-04-24 03:12:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: BKITU: inb4 white knights defending cheating so that they can assuage their guilt over having the record held by a cheating cheatyface who cheated

If a professional isn't cheating, he isn't trying hard enough.

I miss watching Steve Carlton speeding his titties off, and I miss Mark McGwire trying to control his roid rage at the plate.  I loved watching Bonds smash anything thrown near the plate out of the park.  Seeing Lance Armstrong leave the field in the dust was a thing of beauty.  And without drugs, I would have seen none of these things.

I say we ban drug testing.  That would solve practically everything that's wrong with sports today.


I'm actually inclined to agree with you on McGwire, who I saw a lot in Oakland on those days. People would literally stop in the aisles of the Mausoleum when he came to bat.
 
2013-04-24 04:30:27 PM  

acweezer17: I feel like it's only baseball and cycling. I don't think people care about it in the other sports.


People only care about it when the media tells them how important it is that they care about it. Everyone was fine with baseball players taking steroids until baseball writers realized they'd been promoting steroid use for years without realizing it and felt like they'd been lied to. Then they took out their feelings of betrayal on baseball players and turned everyone against them.

If baseball players had been letting baseball reporters in on the "secret" then there wouldn't have been any outrage.

/well, unless the reporters felt like whoever blew open the case was going to expose the fact that they knew - then they'd sell out everything to put the blame on the players and the league
 
2013-04-24 06:42:58 PM  

Willas Tyrell: Amphetimine use was rampant in the 60's (but was it against the rules? Probably not). But I've never seen anyone propose that Perry have an asterisk next to his name on the list of 300 game winners.


I think the *other people cheated in different ways* argument misses a significant point about PEDs. Baseball is a family-friendly game above all else. In an era where everything is magnified by social media and 24/7 sports news channels, baseball has to take steps to insure that they don't turn families off of the game, which would harm ratings, attendance and their ability to attract young athletes. They have to be sensitive, if not overly sensitive, to the moral crowd.

They cannot, even tacitly, tolerate PEDs because it's exactly opposite their wholesome image. They have to say that PEDs are evil and awful and that your kids shouldn't use them because otherwise they run the risk of parents turning their kids away from the sport. And that would be uniquely devastating to baseball (the NFL attracts an older, more blood-thirst audience. Same with hockey. Amongst the big sports, only basketball is similarly family-friendly). When you see writers get on a soapbox about PEDs in baseball (and then not care when it happens in football), it's because baseball is held to this higher standard.

Honestly, if Ford or Perry made their names these days and were similarly caught post-retirement, they probably would be held out in a similar manner.
 
2013-04-24 06:48:50 PM  
i kinda hope the plaque is in a urinal in Hank Aaron's house. Turnabout being fair play and all.
 
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