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2013-04-25 12:38:53 AM
Liberals doing their gun thing to kids now:

An NYU psychology student  was arrested on illegal weapons possession raps Monday,

Bernard Goal, 20, was busted after a startled maintenance crew spotted a pair of realistic looking rifles on his bed while he was out and alerted campus security.

Public safety officers swept the Texas native's room and found four more Airsoft weapons that closely resembled AK-47s and a black Colt carbine rifles, sources said.

NYPD cops arrested Goal at 2:30 p.m. Monday and hit him with six misdemeanor violations of a local law that prohibits the possession or sale of air rifles and replica firearms, according to a law enforcement source.

The weapons fire pellets through compressed air and are routinely mistaken for actual firearms. They have a range of about 140 to 300 feet and can cause flesh wounds at a close range, sources said.

"It's very scary to know there were guns one floor below me. I had no idea," said one of Goal's co-workers, who described him as pleasant and a hard worker. "But knowing Bernard I'm not scared."

Are you still scared of the kids little liberal mommy? You still gonna let me keep the scary shotgun,pistols and BB GUNS??

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyu_student_busted_fo r_bu ilding_1lZqVHYj47McYLAtcHKAWP
 
2013-04-25 12:50:45 AM
And finally to put it all to rest:
The police rescue the families on a street in Boston. Listen . That is how this is actually stated by the newscaster.
 
2013-04-25 01:34:33 AM
Flaumig: "Where is the difference between having our arms in our possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" ~ Patrick Henry

Yeah, they farkingloved the idea of a standing army.

I never said they wanted and loved the idea of a standing army. But they certainly were able to see it as possible (the earlier post said they never envisioned it). As I wrote, they clearly felt that a standing army could aid the rise of tyrants.

Therefore, the founding fathers deliberately wrote the 2A so that every citizen had the right (and even responsibility) to be well armed. All your quotes support this.

Ergo, the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms today should not be infringed upon. If anything, the founding fathers would probably be very worried that today we have

- standing army
- secret military forces
- suspension of habeas corpus
- stripping of citizen's rights to bear arms

and would demand that every able bodied citizen go out, buy an AR15, and practice with it.
 
2013-04-25 01:41:28 AM

Nabb1: Aarontology: I'm not worried about this, and you know why?

The folks who go to gun shows would never in a million years sell a gun to a guy who looked muslim-y.

You mean the guy with all the Third Reich paraphernalia for sale because of its "historical value" might not want to sell his stuff to brown folks?


So all Muslims are brown?
 
2013-04-25 01:41:55 AM

luxup: swangoatman: duenor: Therefore, they envisioned a system by which the populace would act as both a militia as well as a final check against any force that would seek to subjugate that free state.

i am in love.

Blinded by love more like it.  Stare all dreamy eyed at your guns and fight for individual rights while the corporations compile more and more information on you so they can sell you stuff.  Live in the past and never look to the future, that is all your ideology is and what makes you all such good sheep.

Don't worry though, I'm sure we will think of something.  Of interest to me is this...

http://www.compulsive-hoarding.org/DSM-V.html

To sum up, there is this thing called the DSM that lists mental disorders.  They just added hording.  Seems like a nice way to determine who keeps a gun for self defense and who likes to keep an arsenal.  Helps me to understand why the gun nuts are so resistant to opening the door to a mental health check.

I"m not saying it's going to happen tomorrow, but if you don't accept that your way of thinking is helping to keep the country from moving forward then other ways will be found to deal with you.  The NRA can't have your back for ever because eventually that turd is going to lose it's shine.


I'm all for mental health checks. as long as it isn't done by people like you who would take one look at my 120 guns, 50,000 rounds of assorted ammunition, multiple sets of BDUs, and call me a "nut" and a "hoarder" who is (point at random page in DSM) - clearly mentally ill!

Of course, if I am Jay Leno and have a fleet of 300 cars including one built from an M1 tank engine, I'm a  collectoror  connoisseur ....

There's nothing I despise more than people who don't like what others like and then start labeling them as mentally ill (and therefore no longer a person and perfectly ok to take away their rights and possessions)
 
2013-04-25 01:51:15 AM

swangoatman: luxup: The sane ones can have shotguns and pistols.

But can I keep my rifle too? or am I supposed to shoot the dear I eat with a pistol? How many bullets you gonna let me have to hunt with ?
Mom, can I please have another bullet as the one I shot missed.
Your lack of knowledge proves you really do not know the topic past your indoctrination..



Sure, hunt all you want.  You need an assault rifle for that?  I didn't know that those were designed for hunting deer.Also, I know enough to know that if you need 10 shots to kill a deer they you should just give up hunting.  Raise chickens instead.

Oh yea. the best for last.I fixed your PC speech for ya.
You are so in-tune to FORCE aren't you LUXUP>
We can force a mental patient  a child in school to take meds.
 We can take away children from WHO WE FEEL are unfit bad parents who refuse to accept our communist ideals..
 It's just a matter of time before we work out a way to take the guns away from those we can't control through propaganda and fear.the crazy people.


Yeah, you keep thinking that.  There is no dignity in your stance.  There is no honor in your convictions.  Any coward can call someone names and change words to justify their own fears.  You are not standing up for what is right, you are blocking progress because you are afraid.  Just look at your retorts or whatever you like to call it.  You throw around words like communist, propaganda and fear because you don't have facts and a sound argument.  All you can do is try to justify your emotions on the subject and that is always messy.  You don't look at history, you ignore it.

You are deluded in your thinking.  I don't need to cry communist because I don't agree with you, I just have to point out your own behavior.  You are disingenuous because you wrap your irrational fear in so called patriotism.  Well, it's time you were shouted down.

But nope, you, the vocal minority have no interest in reality.  You don't want to make sure we do whatever we can to protect kids from getting shot up.  Nope, you are more concerned that you have enough bullets to kill a deer.
 
2013-04-25 02:00:06 AM

swangoatman: Liberals doing their gun thing to kids now:

An NYU psychology student  was arrested on illegal weapons possession raps Monday,

Bernard Goal, 20, was busted after a startled maintenance crew spotted a pair of realistic looking rifles on his bed while he was out and alerted campus security.

Public safety officers swept the Texas native's room and found four more Airsoft weapons that closely resembled AK-47s and a black Colt carbine rifles, sources said.

NYPD cops arrested Goal at 2:30 p.m. Monday and hit him with six misdemeanor violations of a local law that prohibits the possession or sale of air rifles and replica firearms, according to a law enforcement source.

The weapons fire pellets through compressed air and are routinely mistaken for actual firearms. They have a range of about 140 to 300 feet and can cause flesh wounds at a close range, sources said.

"It's very scary to know there were guns one floor below me. I had no idea," said one of Goal's co-workers, who described him as pleasant and a hard worker. "But knowing Bernard I'm not scared."

Are you still scared of the kids little liberal mommy? You still gonna let me keep the scary shotgun,pistols and BB GUNS??

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x364]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyu_student_busted_fo r_bu ilding_1lZqVHYj47McYLAtcHKAWP


Funny, it's not the liberals who want to arm themselves because a college kid is making air rifles.  Who is the more scared, the one who says (like me) what is your point?  The cops got him.

Or the guy that says this is why they need to have a gun, so I can protect myself from the tyrannical rule that is imminent because a college kid made a pellet gun.  This one is up there with the guy who used looting on Boston as a reason.  The looting that turned out to be people stealing running jackets.

I sure as heck know which one sounds more paranoid, and I'm pretty sure who is more afraid.
 
2013-04-25 02:12:27 AM

duenor: I'm all for mental health checks. as long as it isn't done by people like you who would take one look at my 120 guns, 50,000 rounds of assorted ammunition, multiple sets of BDUs, and call me a "nut" and a "hoarder" who is (point at random page in DSM) - clearly mentally ill!


No, just selfishly irrational.  If a woman has 120 pairs of shoes then she has a problem, she just doesn't love shoes.  Maybe there is a reason for you to have that much firepower but I'm guessing it's just personal preference.

I know that people who like to play cop or soldier are more dangerous than the actual thing.
 
2013-04-25 02:23:25 AM

People_are_Idiots: doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.

Uhm, according to the facts, it is... (From Wikipedia's definition of "assault weapon")

Attributes previously defined in Federal assault weapon legislation and their purposes:
- Detachable magazines allow for fast reloading
- Collapsible stocks allow for adjustment to the length of pull to the shooter's preference.
- Folding stocks reducing the total length of the firearm, making it easier to transport. Critics maintain that it makes the weapon more concealable.
- Pistol grips (on rifles) reduce the angle (and thus rotational strain) of the wrist when the rifle is shouldered.
- Bayonet mounts allow the mounting of a bayonet
- Flash suppressors reduce night vision degradation to a shooter's vision, as well as those beside or behind the user
- Threaded barrels allow for the mounting of flash suppressors, compensators and muzzle brake
- Barrel mounted grenade launcher mounts are concentric rings around the muzzle that facilitate attachment of rifle grenades
- A barrel shroud is a tube around the barrel designed to limit transfer of heat from the barrel to the supporting hand, or to protect a shooter from being burned by accidental contact.
- Magazines greater than 10 rounds
- Semi-automatic, functionality meaning that they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next round without additional human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger.

Any ONE of these characteristics, and you have an "assault weapon."


Look at the definition you posted and look at the words they were using.
 
2013-04-25 02:32:41 AM
And yet it hasn't happened.
 
2013-04-25 02:51:04 AM

nekom: Not sure why you mentioned Sandy Hook, that was his mother's legally acquired and fully background checked guns there.


She obtained the guns via her divorce.  Let's deport Muslims and make the country a better place.
 
2013-04-25 03:43:41 AM

heavymetal: Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.

I often hear this so it makes me wonder if it is true, then why the objection to closing what is popularly referred to as the "gun show loophole".  Seriously.  From what I hear from the pro-gun side is that through similar reasoning as stated above, even at gun shows purchases have background checks by default.

Well if that is true, then passing a law eliminating what is popularly referred to as the "gun show loophole" would not cause any added hassle at gun shows and would not be noticed by the gun buying public.  So why not then support it as a way to appease the gun control crowd and give lip service to gun safety for political brownie points?


I think the idea of an instant background/ID check to get in the doors is more reasonable and enforcable, whereas trying to force Joe Blow with his air guns to do background checks will either force him out (and possibly to some nefarious airsoft ring), or cost him too much, whereas the Cheaper Than Dirt camp (CTD is a big company around here) would like less compitition.

I can understand thinking background checks are the "common sense" approach, but does anyone have the facts on how many guns used in crime were legally obtained weapons? Last I heard, 90% of the guns used in crime are illegally obtained.
 
2013-04-25 04:28:43 AM

Bucky Katt: Nabb1: Aarontology: I'm not worried about this, and you know why?

The folks who go to gun shows would never in a million years sell a gun to a guy who looked muslim-y.

You mean the guy with all the Third Reich paraphernalia for sale because of its "historical value" might not want to sell his stuff to brown folks?

So all Muslims are brown?


That's why it's so funny : the Tsarnaev brothers were litteral caucasians.
 
2013-04-25 04:58:21 AM

redmid17: People_are_Idiots: doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.

Uhm, according to the facts, it is... (From Wikipedia's definition of "assault weapon")

Attributes previously defined in Federal assault weapon legislation and their purposes:
- Detachable magazines allow for fast reloading
- Collapsible stocks allow for adjustment to the length of pull to the shooter's preference.
- Folding stocks reducing the total length of the firearm, making it easier to transport. Critics maintain that it makes the weapon more concealable.
- Pistol grips (on rifles) reduce the angle (and thus rotational strain) of the wrist when the rifle is shouldered.
- Bayonet mounts allow the mounting of a bayonet
- Flash suppressors reduce night vision degradation to a shooter's vision, as well as those beside or behind the user
- Threaded barrels allow for the mounting of flash suppressors, compensators and muzzle brake
- Barrel mounted grenade launcher mounts are concentric rings around the muzzle that facilitate attachment of rifle grenades
- A barrel shroud is a tube around the barrel designed to limit transfer of heat from the barrel to the supporting hand, or to protect a shooter from being burned by accidental contact.
- Magazines greater than 10 rounds
- Semi-automatic, functionality meaning that they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next round without additional human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger.

Any ONE of these characteristics, and you have an "assault weapon."

Look at the definition you posted and look at the words they were using.


Sorry. ;) Just wanted to pull it out. To think quite a few 9mm would be deemed "assault weapons" if their magazines carry more than 10 rounds. Funny huh?
 
2013-04-25 08:00:57 AM

luxup: swangoatman: Liberals doing their gun thing to kids now:

An NYU psychology student  was arrested on illegal weapons possession raps Monday,

Bernard Goal, 20, was busted after a startled maintenance crew spotted a pair of realistic looking rifles on his bed while he was out and alerted campus security.

Public safety officers swept the Texas native's room and found four more Airsoft weapons that closely resembled AK-47s and a black Colt carbine rifles, sources said.

NYPD cops arrested Goal at 2:30 p.m. Monday and hit him with six misdemeanor violations of a local law that prohibits the possession or sale of air rifles and replica firearms, according to a law enforcement source.

The weapons fire pellets through compressed air and are routinely mistaken for actual firearms. They have a range of about 140 to 300 feet and can cause flesh wounds at a close range, sources said.

"It's very scary to know there were guns one floor below me. I had no idea," said one of Goal's co-workers, who described him as pleasant and a hard worker. "But knowing Bernard I'm not scared."


Are you still scared of the kids little liberal mommy? You still gonna let me keep the scary shotgun,pistols and BB GUNS??


Funny, it's not the liberals who want to arm themselves because a college kid is making air rifles.  Who is the more scared, the one who says (like me) what is your point?  The cops got him.


The POINT was that they took his BB guns. They took his TOYS. A full grown man and his friends pictured are enjoying a day of play with BB guns and Pellet gun (the pellet guns are single shot load) and because a scared no person called the cops , the cops had to take this kids TOYS away so the other kids wont be afraid. If your an adult try not to be afraid of TOYS. If your an adult try and be grown up enough to understand that the AR in AR-15 is a brand name and does not mean Assault Rifle just like a Bowie Knife does not mean David Bowie..
Aside from that. Who are you to determine what I need to defend my person,my possessions,my community and my State? It was not to long ago that people where sent to school in some places until they had all the knowledge that the elite thought they needed for the life they were going to be given. The reason was that knowledge can be a dangerous weapon to those that are in need to be kept in check. Read the History of South Africa. You will see that as soon as the Majority were on equal footing with the powerful Minority in both knowledge and arms that a transition was made possible.
You continue to try and denigrate my words as the words of ignorance and fear. They are actually the words of cautious optimism that Arms will not ever have to be used as long as the knowledge of those elitists in power is openly shared with We the People. Why is this allowed to occur in a whole town. The Police rescued these people?  Was this needed for a manhunt? Where were the canine officers on this manhunt? And it turned out that a man ,out for a smoke, discovered the guy and called the law. A citizen ,not locked away in his house found the killer. But we know that you will not watch these 1 min videos. They do not fit your take on things. Or do you like the way they made those people "feel" so safe. it was nice the cops apologized for breaking the law.. NO Exigent circumstances presented themselves.
Again you think the framers of the constitution were concerned that my hunting was endangered so they wanted to make sure I had a right to hunting guns? You are a tool.
 
2013-04-25 08:04:52 AM

luxup: The looting that turned out to be people stealing running jackets.


We know how well the cops keep "the peace".
 
2013-04-25 08:23:23 AM

luxup: duenor: I'm all for mental health checks. as long as it isn't done by people like you who would take one look at my 120 guns, 50,000 rounds of assorted ammunition, multiple sets of BDUs, and call me a "nut" and a "hoarder" who is (point at random page in DSM) - clearly mentally ill!

No, just selfishly irrational.  If a woman has 120 pairs of shoes then she has a problem, she just doesn't love shoes.  Maybe there is a reason for you to have that much firepower but I'm guessing it's just personal preference.

I know that people who like to play cop or soldier are more dangerous than the actual thing.


I never understood the fear over a person having an "arsenal" of guns. It's not like you could accurately shoot more than one at a time. Just like shoes you have different types for different purposes, then you have diffident styles/colors etc. in each of those categories. Just to cover the main usages at a minimum you need a pistol, rifle, and a shotgun, then large and small caliber of each type. Then you start adding your historical type pieces, M1's 1911's, luger's, etc.

People collect all kinds of things, hording is a completely different issue. That's when you have garbage and other junk that you simply can't part with beyond any sort of reason.
 
2013-04-25 08:24:52 AM

special20: GoldSpider: special20: No, I failed in assuming ones mind would be prehensile to get my inference that one was being a goody two shoes. While fully automatic weapons, or parts to them are illegal, it is not going to stop anyone from doing so.

So correct me if I'm wrong, but you're arguing that we should outlaw semi-automatic rifles (of whatever characteristics you choose) because some people willfully break the law to modify them?  Think about that for a moment...

I am not arguing anything. All I did was state a fact: just because something is illegal, doesn't mean people won't still have whatever they want to get their grubby hands on. Now excuse me while I smoke a doob, and take a nice pull on some moonshine. You should just go ahead and start a fight on the internet with someone else.


I haven't started any fights. Again I was simply pointing out that it's unlikely there are people selling full auto conversions on the open market due to the fact that they are illegal. That is until you came in and insulted me by insinuating that I'm part of a homophobic discriminatory organization.
 
2013-04-25 08:24:57 AM

swangoatman: You are so in-tune to FORCE aren't you LUXUP


i.imgur.com

/Let go!
 
2013-04-25 08:34:50 AM

luxup: swangoatman: Liberals doing their gun thing to kids now:

An NYU psychology student  was arrested on illegal weapons possession raps Monday,

Bernard Goal, 20, was busted after a startled maintenance crew spotted a pair of realistic looking rifles on his bed while he was out and alerted campus security.

Public safety officers swept the Texas native's room and found four more Airsoft weapons that closely resembled AK-47s and a black Colt carbine rifles, sources said.

NYPD cops arrested Goal at 2:30 p.m. Monday and hit him with six misdemeanor violations of a local law that prohibits the possession or sale of air rifles and replica firearms, according to a law enforcement source.

The weapons fire pellets through compressed air and are routinely mistaken for actual firearms. They have a range of about 140 to 300 feet and can cause flesh wounds at a close range, sources said.

"It's very scary to know there were guns one floor below me. I had no idea," said one of Goal's co-workers, who described him as pleasant and a hard worker. "But knowing Bernard I'm not scared."

Are you still scared of the kids little liberal mommy? You still gonna let me keep the scary shotgun,pistols and BB GUNS??

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x364]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyu_student_busted_fo r_bu ilding_1lZqVHYj47McYLAtcHKAWP

Funny, it's not the liberals who want to arm themselves because a college kid is making air rifles.  Who is the more scared, the one who says (like me) what is your point?  The cops got him.

Or the guy that says this is why they need to have a gun, so I can protect myself from the tyrannical rule that is imminent because a college kid made a pellet gun.  This one is up there with the guy who used looting on Boston as a reason.  The looting that turned out to be people stealing running jackets.

I sure as heck know which one sounds more paranoid, and I'm pretty sure who is more afraid.


He posted the article to show the absurdity of gun laws in NY, not to justify owning firearms. I think you are confused. He is not saying that you need to own a firearm because there is a kid making airsoft guns. He is saying that it is ridiculous the guy was charged with a crime and had his airsoft guns confiscated because they are so afraid of guns in NY that you can't even own a toy that looks like one. They even refer to them as weapons in the article. The person who thought it was scary to know there were airsoft guns one floor away puts it over the top.
 
2013-04-25 08:38:15 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: swangoatman: You are so in-tune to FORCE aren't you LUXUP

[i.imgur.com image 207x300]

/Let go!


Your right. Why argue with the dead.. I'll just ignore his ignorance of life and hatred for things he fears.. But I won't put him on ignore as he probably is a nice person when he is not attacking things he does not know anything about.
 
2013-04-25 08:54:59 AM

swangoatman: Vlad_the_Inaner: swangoatman: You are so in-tune to FORCE aren't you LUXUP

[i.imgur.com image 207x300]

/Let go!

Your right. Why argue with the dead.. I'll just ignore his ignorance of life and hatred for things he fears.. But I won't put him on ignore as he probably is a nice person when he is not attacking things he does not know anything about.


You seem pretty set on attacking "liberals" who you very obviously know nothing about.
 
2013-04-25 11:24:24 AM

Teufelaffe: swangoatman: Teufelaffe: The concept of the well regulated militia is to act in lieu of an army until one could be raised when needed,

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Will Thomas Jefferson do?

"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war."


Well, we have been at war for the past 60 years.
Welcome to forever.
 
2013-04-25 12:04:08 PM
http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

Anyone saying that firearms need to be restricted to protect children should spend some time on here. Drownings kill far more children than firearms for any reason. Protip: Drownings outweigh intentional shooting deaths of children 0-14 by a factor of more than 20. Banning privately owned pools would probably alleviate this problem to some degree. If it saves just one life, it's worth it.
 
2013-04-25 01:13:28 PM

Fark France: http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

Anyone saying that firearms need to be restricted to protect children should spend some time on here. Drownings kill far more children than firearms for any reason. Protip: Drownings outweigh intentional shooting deaths of children 0-14 by a factor of more than 20. Banning privately owned pools would probably alleviate this problem to some degree. If it saves just one life, it's worth it.


On the flip side of that, bombs kill far fewer people in the US every year than guns, so we obviously should lift any and all legal restrictions on the manufacture and possession of explosives as well as ceasing the monitoring of the sales of explosives or large amounts of chemicals that can be used to make explosives.  After all, the fewer the number of deaths caused by something, the less it should be restricted or monitored.

Protip: When someone says "X is dangerous, maybe we should do something about that", responding with "Well, Y is *more* dangerous!" makes you sound a moron.  This isn't a f*cking contest.
 
2013-04-25 01:36:23 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Fark France: http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

Anyone saying that firearms need to be restricted to protect children should spend some time on here. Drownings kill far more children than firearms for any reason. Protip: Drownings outweigh intentional shooting deaths of children 0-14 by a factor of more than 20. Banning privately owned pools would probably alleviate this problem to some degree. If it saves just one life, it's worth it.

On the flip side of that, bombs kill far fewer people in the US every year than guns, so we obviously should lift any and all legal restrictions on the manufacture and possession of explosives as well as ceasing the monitoring of the sales of explosives or large amounts of chemicals that can be used to make explosives.  After all, the fewer the number of deaths caused by something, the less it should be restricted or monitored.

Protip: When someone says "X is dangerous, maybe we should do something about that", responding with "Well, Y is *more* dangerous!" makes you sound a moron.  This isn't a f*cking contest.


Saying that other people should stop enjoying potentially dangerous hobbies, while not addressing other hobbies produce many times more deaths, but are enjoyed by yourself makes you a hypocrite.

Now this f*cking contest you speak of, this sounds more interesting than arguing with douchebags on the internet. Where can I enter?
 
2013-04-25 01:44:20 PM

mizchief: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Fark France: http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

Anyone saying that firearms need to be restricted to protect children should spend some time on here. Drownings kill far more children than firearms for any reason. Protip: Drownings outweigh intentional shooting deaths of children 0-14 by a factor of more than 20. Banning privately owned pools would probably alleviate this problem to some degree. If it saves just one life, it's worth it.

On the flip side of that, bombs kill far fewer people in the US every year than guns, so we obviously should lift any and all legal restrictions on the manufacture and possession of explosives as well as ceasing the monitoring of the sales of explosives or large amounts of chemicals that can be used to make explosives.  After all, the fewer the number of deaths caused by something, the less it should be restricted or monitored.

Protip: When someone says "X is dangerous, maybe we should do something about that", responding with "Well, Y is *more* dangerous!" makes you sound a moron.  This isn't a f*cking contest.

Saying that other people should stop enjoying potentially dangerous hobbies, while not addressing other hobbies produce many times more deaths, but are enjoyed by yourself makes you a hypocrite.


If the conversation were about "what are some dangerous things and what can we do about them?" sure.  But that's not what the conversation is about.  It's about guns, so pulling the "Well X, Y, and Z kill more people than guns.  Why aren't you doing anything about them!?" shiat is just deflection.
 
2013-04-25 02:07:11 PM

JohnnyCanuck: GoldSpider: I'm not sure what that has to do with the point I was making, since an impulsive murder is a very different act from a planned attack, wouldn't you agree? If he brained her with a hammer, would that hammer be any less deadly a weapon than a gun, despite its manufactured intent of pounding nails into a board?

You wouldn't own a hammer...you probably just use your gun to pound nails, right?

Impulsive murder..planned attack...a good reg and checks would help prevent both.

Don't I have a right to go watch a movie in Colorado without having to dodge bullets? I mean...it's not in your constitution or anything, so maybe not.

Hey...I just think a reg is a no brainer. But hey...I'm Canadian...so shoot me.

\I was kidding...don't shoot me...or anyone else, please.


Posts like this make you sounds stupid, FYI.
 
2013-04-25 02:57:43 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: mizchief: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Fark France: http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

Anyone saying that firearms need to be restricted to protect children should spend some time on here. Drownings kill far more children than firearms for any reason. Protip: Drownings outweigh intentional shooting deaths of children 0-14 by a factor of more than 20. Banning privately owned pools would probably alleviate this problem to some degree. If it saves just one life, it's worth it.

On the flip side of that, bombs kill far fewer people in the US every year than guns, so we obviously should lift any and all legal restrictions on the manufacture and possession of explosives as well as ceasing the monitoring of the sales of explosives or large amounts of chemicals that can be used to make explosives.  After all, the fewer the number of deaths caused by something, the less it should be restricted or monitored.

Protip: When someone says "X is dangerous, maybe we should do something about that", responding with "Well, Y is *more* dangerous!" makes you sound a moron.  This isn't a f*cking contest.

Saying that other people should stop enjoying potentially dangerous hobbies, while not addressing other hobbies produce many times more deaths, but are enjoyed by yourself makes you a hypocrite.

If the conversation were about "what are some dangerous things and what can we do about them?" sure.  But that's not what the conversation is about.  It's about guns, so pulling the "Well X, Y, and Z kill more people than guns.  Why aren't you doing anything about them!?" shiat is just deflection.


And this is what we have to resort to in a debate where an appeal to emotion is made. The "gun show loophole" has been addressed several times in this thread as a misnomer. The majority of retailers at a gun show are dealers with an FFL that run a background check. The proposed laws would not have prevented any of the recent tragedies, nor did the '94 AWB produce any measurable effect on gun crime as per the FBI. It simply hindered the ability of a large number of people to enjoy an activity. Regulating private sales is unenforcable without registration, and registration is unacceptable. If the government has access to the names and addresses of all gun owners, it defeats the intended purpose of the Second Amendment. Registration, apart from being costly, is an ineffective deterrent. Look at what happened when Canada gave a long-gun registry a shot. They just abandoned it because it was nothing more than a pit to throw tax dollars into.

And to the people saying that you can make a full-auto gun by simply filing down some parts, shut up. That's an incredible display of ignorance at best and a gross example of intentional dishonesty to advance a goal at worst. The sears used to make a reliable select-fire weapon are heavily regulated and are regarded as machine guns themselves. There are ways to rig a gun to fire as an automatic; they're unreliable and do not allow for select-fire operation. A piece of string can be used to rig up an automatic weapon under the right circumstances. The ATF, in just one of many displays of their incompetency, ruled in 2004 that a 14" piece of string with a loop at both ends was a machine gun. The plain facts are that if you understand the basic construction and operation of a firearm, you can make one. No amount of laws are going to change that. Same goes for bombs. And until we start regulating knowledge of basic chemistry and engineering, it will continue to be the case.
 
2013-04-25 03:11:13 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: " shiat is just deflection.


you mean that since handguns kill MANY MANY more than the scary rifle that they seek to ban that the scary gun ban may be a deflection to the real effort to get ALL guns even BB guns outlawed ? if you read the article you will see he was with six misdemeanor violations of a local law that prohibits the possession or sale of air rifles
 
2013-04-25 03:37:49 PM

Falin: JohnnyCanuck: GoldSpider: I'm not sure what that has to do with the point I was making, since an impulsive murder is a very different act from a planned attack, wouldn't you agree? If he brained her with a hammer, would that hammer be any less deadly a weapon than a gun, despite its manufactured intent of pounding nails into a board?

You wouldn't own a hammer...you probably just use your gun to pound nails, right?

Impulsive murder..planned attack...a good reg and checks would help prevent both.

Don't I have a right to go watch a movie in Colorado without having to dodge bullets? I mean...it's not in your constitution or anything, so maybe not.

Hey...I just think a reg is a no brainer. But hey...I'm Canadian...so shoot me.

\I was kidding...don't shoot me...or anyone else, please.

Posts like this make you sounds stupid, FYI.


Posts like this don't just make you SOUND stupid...they in fact let all readers know that you are, in fact, very stupid. At least don't go adding "s" to words that do not require it.
I will also add that posting a response like that a day after a thread was opened lets everyone know you are also a bit of a coward hoping the original poster would not see it and rebut.

But hey...just like "many" gun owners...I assume you're just another coward in a tough man disguise.

\FYI
 
2013-04-25 03:44:40 PM

swangoatman: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: " shiat is just deflection.

you mean that since handguns kill MANY MANY more than the scary rifle that they seek to ban that the scary gun ban may be a deflection to the real effort to get ALL guns even BB guns outlawed ? if you read the article you will see he was with six misdemeanor violations of a local law that prohibits the possession or sale of air rifles


Are you on drugs?  The deflection is that whenever the topic of gun violence comes up, there is always some yahoo who brings up something entirely unrelated to guns (hammers, cars, pools, alcohol, etc) and says, "Well this thing here kills more people every year than guns.  Why aren't you doing anything about that, huh?"  It's a classic deflection technique and it means that they're unwilling to have an honest discussion about the actual topic.
 
2013-04-25 04:21:28 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: swangoatman: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: " shiat is just deflection.

you mean that since handguns kill MANY MANY more than the scary rifle that they seek to ban that the scary gun ban may be a deflection to the real effort to get ALL guns even BB guns outlawed ? if you read the article you will see he was with six misdemeanor violations of a local law that prohibits the possession or sale of air rifles

Are you on drugs?  The deflection is that whenever the topic of gun violence comes up, there is always some yahoo who brings up something entirely unrelated to guns (hammers, cars, pools, alcohol, etc) and says, "Well this thing here kills more people every year than guns.  Why aren't you doing anything about that, huh?"  It's a classic deflection technique and it means that they're unwilling to have an honest discussion about the actual topic.


I responded to your statement that it was deflection. I also presented valid arguments after the initial "deflection."
 
2013-04-25 04:25:10 PM

swangoatman: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: " shiat is just deflection.

you mean that since handguns kill MANY MANY more than the scary rifle that they seek to ban that the scary gun ban may be a deflection to the real effort to get ALL guns even BB guns outlawed ? if you read the article you will see he was with six misdemeanor violations of a local law that prohibits the possession or sale of air rifles


Everyone knows that air rifles are the Gateway Assault Weapons and we need background checks to buy BBs.
Maybe, actually, slingshots, yea, Assault Slingshots should be background checked.
 
2013-04-25 04:27:35 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: honest discussion about the actual topic.


like banning rifles which kill far few persons than handguns. i get it ..I get it..
 
2013-04-25 05:04:46 PM
I'm told it used to be pretty easy to mail-order guns on the internets, they would just have a "Check this box if it's totally OK for you to buy a gun, and you're 18, and your background is A-OK, and you're sure you aren't lying or anything (wink wink)". But they have cracked down on that by now.

If you order a gun on the internets it has to be shipped to a FFL holder in your state, who is then legally responsible to perform a background check prior to releasing the firearm to your possession. Guns generally can't be shipped directly to an individual. There are few exceptions to this rule (such as if you ship your firearm to the manufacturer for repair, they can mail it back to you). Otherwise, it's a FFL transfer. I've purchased a couple of guns this way in the last year and each of them has required a trip to a local gun shop for the paperwork and waiting for the background check.
 
2013-04-25 08:58:29 PM
These threads always warms the cockles of my heart. The anti-gunners believe they are a majority. Oh how I wait for 2014, the utter devastation of their asses shall fuel me for eons. Some states like Colorado is already gearing up recall elections against the senators that supported their retarded new gun laws.

The only thing that could make me happier is if Cuomo and Bloomberg both died of auto-erotic asphyxiation while the NY SAFE Act got repealed.
 
2013-04-25 09:02:36 PM

tevo: I'm told it used to be pretty easy to mail-order guns on the internets, they would just have a "Check this box if it's totally OK for you to buy a gun, and you're 18, and your background is A-OK, and you're sure you aren't lying or anything (wink wink)". But they have cracked down on that by now.

If you order a gun on the internets it has to be shipped to a FFL holder in your state, who is then legally responsible to perform a background check prior to releasing the firearm to your possession. Guns generally can't be shipped directly to an individual. There are few exceptions to this rule (such as if you ship your firearm to the manufacturer for repair, they can mail it back to you). Otherwise, it's a FFL transfer. I've purchased a couple of guns this way in the last year and each of them has required a trip to a local gun shop for the paperwork and waiting for the background check.


Waste of time. Anyone unwilling to learn something about their greatest fear is certainly not going to listen to facts.
You would think that the pant wetters would go git sum learnin, if'n it really and actually was as important as they scream.

don't let the sound of your own wheels make you craazzy
 
2013-04-25 09:04:53 PM

46 senators that voted to give your rights to the United Nations:

Baldwin (D-WI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin(D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Coons (D-DE)
Cowan (D-MA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hirono (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy(D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
 
2013-04-25 09:08:14 PM

GUTSU: These threads always warms the cockles of my heart. The anti-gunners believe they are a majority. Oh how I wait for 2014, the utter devastation of their asses shall fuel me for eons. Some states like Colorado is already gearing up recall elections against the senators that supported their retarded new gun laws.

The only thing that could make me happier is if Cuomo and Bloomberg both died of auto-erotic asphyxiation while the NY SAFE Act got repealed.


Yeah, those 92% of people who want to keep existing gun laws or make them more strict definitely aren't a majority.

sas-origin.onstreammedia.com
 
2013-04-25 09:12:41 PM

snocone: 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the United Nations


You do realize that treaty was about international arms sales and had absolutely nothing to do with (and zero effect on) domestic weapons laws, right?
 
2013-04-25 09:15:45 PM

Teufelaffe: snocone: 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the United Nations

You do realize that treaty was about international arms sales and had absolutely nothing to do with (and zero effect on) domestic weapons laws, right?


I kinda like a certain Italian shotgun.
 
2013-04-25 09:15:48 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: GUTSU: These threads always warms the cockles of my heart. The anti-gunners believe they are a majority. Oh how I wait for 2014, the utter devastation of their asses shall fuel me for eons. Some states like Colorado is already gearing up recall elections against the senators that supported their retarded new gun laws.

The only thing that could make me happier is if Cuomo and Bloomberg both died of auto-erotic asphyxiation while the NY SAFE Act got repealed.

Yeah, those 92% of people who want to keep existing gun laws or make them more strict definitely aren't a majority.

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Keep lying to yourself. If you are truly in the majority I'm sure you will eventually win and then all guns shall be smashed in the name or peace or some rubbish.
 
2013-04-25 09:20:39 PM

GUTSU: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: GUTSU: These threads always warms the cockles of my heart. The anti-gunners believe they are a majority. Oh how I wait for 2014, the utter devastation of their asses shall fuel me for eons. Some states like Colorado is already gearing up recall elections against the senators that supported their retarded new gun laws.

The only thing that could make me happier is if Cuomo and Bloomberg both died of auto-erotic asphyxiation while the NY SAFE Act got repealed.

Yeah, those 92% of people who want to keep existing gun laws or make them more strict definitely aren't a majority.

[sas-origin.onstreammedia.com image 564x304]

Keep lying to yourself. If you are truly in the majority I'm sure you will eventually win and then all guns shall be smashed in the name or peace or some rubbish.


You sound like you need some therapy or to sober up, not sure which.
 
2013-04-25 09:22:46 PM
Gee, anybody ever hear of outlawing the product you would like to manufacture/distribute/control as a business plan?
If you can PROFIT by outlawing something it does not make the market go away, just concentrates and organizes it. Think what you could do with the world wide license to stomp out the competition in arms sales.
You are going to eliminate the international selling of arms??? Really? Really?
Let me laugh all the louder.
Oops, hurt myself a little, there.
 
2013-04-25 09:24:58 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: GUTSU: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: GUTSU: These threads always warms the cockles of my heart. The anti-gunners believe they are a majority. Oh how I wait for 2014, the utter devastation of their asses shall fuel me for eons. Some states like Colorado is already gearing up recall elections against the senators that supported their retarded new gun laws.

The only thing that could make me happier is if Cuomo and Bloomberg both died of auto-erotic asphyxiation while the NY SAFE Act got repealed.

Yeah, those 92% of people who want to keep existing gun laws or make them more strict definitely aren't a majority.

[sas-origin.onstreammedia.com image 564x304]

Keep lying to yourself. If you are truly in the majority I'm sure you will eventually win and then all guns shall be smashed in the name or peace or some rubbish.

You sound like you need some therapy or to sober up, not sure which.


I wish you the best of luck on your mission of peace, but I'm afraid many senators learned what happened in '94 and have decided not to trod down that path to ruination.
 
2013-04-25 09:33:56 PM

snocone: Gee, anybody ever hear of outlawing the product you would like to manufacture/distribute/control as a business plan?
If you can PROFIT by outlawing something it does not make the market go away, just concentrates and organizes it. Think what you could do with the world wide license to stomp out the competition in arms sales.
You are going to eliminate the international selling of arms??? Really? Really?
Let me laugh all the louder.
Oops, hurt myself a little, there.


It also wasn't to eliminate the international sales of arms.  Here, take some time to learn something so you won't sound so much like a paranoid nutter:

UN Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty
 
2013-04-26 12:05:33 AM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: GUTSU: These threads always warms the cockles of my heart. The anti-gunners believe they are a majority. Oh how I wait for 2014, the utter devastation of their asses shall fuel me for eons. Some states like Colorado is already gearing up recall elections against the senators that supported their retarded new gun laws.

The only thing that could make me happier is if Cuomo and Bloomberg both died of auto-erotic asphyxiation while the NY SAFE Act got repealed.

Yeah, those 92% of people who want to keep existing gun laws or make them more strict definitely aren't a majority.

[sas-origin.onstreammedia.com image 564x304]


Let me pass on a helpful hint. A lot of those people who want the laws kept the same aren't fond of the people who were trying to pass the bills in question.

www.portlandmercury.com
 
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