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(YouTube)   Al Qaeda spokesman to Muslims wanting to attack in the US: go to a gun show and buy an assault rifle. There are no background checks. Oh, and the video was uploaded in 2011 - well before Sandy Hook   (youtube.com) divider line 498
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2013-04-24 12:21:17 PM

Terrydatroll: you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"

I sell one of my guns from my collection to a friend. Way of life.
I have to do a background check on my friend before I can sell him a gun from my collection. Changed way of life.
I have to do the background checks because a terrorist found a loophole. Terrorists changed my way of life.

Yes, it does change my way of life.


Living up to your Fark handle, I see...
 
2013-04-24 12:21:44 PM

shaken_not_stirred: As I understand it, Islam is not a race.


so... what do we call somebody who is virulently anti-islam?
 
2013-04-24 12:22:01 PM

Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.


Another way of looking at this is... there is no where else I'd prefer members of Al Qaeda/Al Qaeda supporters to go to than a gun show in the South.
 
2013-04-24 12:22:07 PM

Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.


The TSA and their backscatter scanners disagree with you.  Now, take off your shoes and spread 'em.
 
2013-04-24 12:22:36 PM

madgonad: doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.

Yes it is. The term 'assault rifle' is all about the caliber and not the presence of select-fire.


Are you "trolling", lying or genuinely misinformed?
 
2013-04-24 12:22:38 PM

Treygreen13: So how are you going to enforce a background check for private face-to-face dealings?


The same way they enforce collecting sales tax in private face-to-face dealings, of course
 
2013-04-24 12:22:55 PM
"Assault weapon": Any firearm which you can imagine Ahnold Swarzenegger firing more than three bullets from without tossing aside in favor of a more "manly" weapon.
 
2013-04-24 12:23:04 PM

Cletus C.: Your right to buy crazy-assed, high-powered people killers and your freedom to do so without any hassle or documentation?


What about pressure cookers?  Bags of fertilizer? Ammonia and bleach? If you buy drinks in glass bottles and a bunch of rags at the same time, should you be put on a watch list?

Sorry - we are guaranteed our rights to firepower to defend ourselves from an overreaching government. With every freedom infringing, misguided-yet-well-meaning intrusion on our freedoms that is ratified by overzealous legislatures, this right - and the accompanying need to prevent infringements of it - becomes *the* most important issue since... well... GAY MARRIAGE.

Anyway, I'm one of those who thinks we should be allowed rocket launchers and anti-aircraft weaponry for just that purpose, I'm sure many would object. I DON'T OWN ANY GUNS CURRENTLY AND ONLY BOUGHT ALL THOSE BOTTLES OF WATER FOR HURRICANE SEASON.
 
2013-04-24 12:23:32 PM

Uncle Pooky: Another way of looking at this is... there is no where else I'd prefer members of Al Qaeda/Al Qaeda supporters to go to than a gun show in the South.


That's a lot of problem solved right there!
 
2013-04-24 12:24:52 PM
Al Qaida guy says we should give up our freedom to protect us from him.
 
2013-04-24 12:25:56 PM

Dimensio: madgonad: doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.

Yes it is. The term 'assault rifle' is all about the caliber and not the presence of select-fire.

Are you "trolling", lying or genuinely misinformed?


I think they're conflating assault weapon with assault rifle.  An assault weapon is semi-auto, an assault rifle is selective fire with full auto as an option.
 
2013-04-24 12:26:13 PM

FlashHarry: i assumed this was fake, until i googled the guy. i guess he's the real deal. what a farking asshole.


I dont consider it real since most think Gadahn is dead

Probably dug up to give people more bullshiat to post about taking guns.
 
2013-04-24 12:27:43 PM

Teufelaffe: Dimensio: madgonad: doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.

Yes it is. The term 'assault rifle' is all about the caliber and not the presence of select-fire.

Are you "trolling", lying or genuinely misinformed?

I think they're conflating assault weapon with assault rifle.  An assault weapon is semi-auto, an assault rifle is selective fire with full auto as an option.


"Assault weapon" lacks any standard technical definition. A firearm may be an "assault weapon" based upon an entirely arbitrary standard; my .45ACP caliber handgun is not an "assault weapon" as defined by the now-expired federal "assault weapons ban", but it is an "assault weapon" as defined by California law, because of the threaded barrel added to it.
 
2013-04-24 12:28:01 PM

Uncle Pooky: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Another way of looking at this is... there is no where else I'd prefer members of Al Qaeda/Al Qaeda supporters to go to than a gun show in the South.


Yeah, its amazing that people think these guys wouldnt stand out or that gun sellers would sell to them without apprehension, these guys arent stupid and will refuse to sell to sketchy individuals.
 
2013-04-24 12:28:30 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: legion_of_doo: and the Boston dummies shot the hell out of that crowd with their assault pressure cooker.

/ sensible pressure cooker regulations now!

[www.gannett-cdn.com image 339x451]

Murdered. Shot repeatedly in the head by a mentally ill person with a gun.

/Sensible gun control laws now!


I believe I read he was shot for his firearm.
 
2013-04-24 12:28:37 PM

you are a puppet: Treygreen13: you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"

So how are you going to enforce a background check for private face-to-face dealings?

How do you enforce one friend selling sex to another friend privately?


i shouldnt ask, but have you ever seen a serial number on a pussy?
 
2013-04-24 12:28:57 PM

holdeestrufs: Cletus C.: Your right to buy crazy-assed, high-powered people killers and your freedom to do so without any hassle or documentation?

What about pressure cookers?  Bags of fertilizer? Ammonia and bleach? If you buy drinks in glass bottles and a bunch of rags at the same time, should you be put on a watch list?

Sorry - we are guaranteed our rights to firepower to defend ourselves from an overreaching government. With every freedom infringing, misguided-yet-well-meaning intrusion on our freedoms that is ratified by overzealous legislatures, this right - and the accompanying need to prevent infringements of it - becomes *the* most important issue since... well... GAY MARRIAGE.

Anyway, I'm one of those who thinks we should be allowed rocket launchers and anti-aircraft weaponry for just that purpose, I'm sure many would object. I DON'T OWN ANY GUNS CURRENTLY AND ONLY BOUGHT ALL THOSE BOTTLES OF WATER FOR HURRICANE SEASON.


Unfortunately, the development of nasty weapons capable of being used in unspeakable acts of mass horror has far outpaces any infringement on rights. I recently checked with my local militia and they say there have been no attempts to infringe on their musket-bearing.
 
2013-04-24 12:30:43 PM

legion_of_doo: and the Boston dummies shot the hell out of that crowd with their assault pressure cooker.

/ sensible pressure cooker regulations now!


Shouldn't your argument be that "Bombs don't kill people, people kill people".  Legalize Explosives!

If you are going to make a false comparison then I get to also.
 
2013-04-24 12:31:03 PM
You still have to get a background check if you buy it from a dealer that is actually part of the show, otherwise good luck getting some random redneck to sell you one if you look Middle eastern.
 
2013-04-24 12:31:09 PM

Skyd1v: madgonad: doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.

Yes it is. The term 'assault rifle' is all about the caliber and not the presence of select-fire.

That is a very strange thing to say.  It makes...no sense whatsoever.


What caliber makes it an Assault Rifle?

An M-4 is a type of weapon that is commonly called an Assault rifle.    If I change the upper receiver and barrel, I can change it to a different caliber.  .22LR, 9mm,  7.62mm   and on and on.   The caliber doesn't change the rifle's appearance or function.   Just it's appearance.    Each of those rounds can be fired in weapons without the style or appearance of an assault rifle.   That doesn't make those weapons assault rifles either.

Assault rifle was a term the military came up with to describe a basic infantry weapon that had a common collection of features.   Semi-automatic rifle with full-auto capability,  detachable magazine, bayonet lug, flash suppressor.   Civilians, who liked the appearance of the military weapons, started buying weapons that looked like military rifles, but weren't, because they lacked the full-auto capability

The hysteria over Assault weapons is all about a class of weapons that look like military weapons.   They aren't, they are similar in appearance and function.   They look scary to the uninformed, so they must be scary.
 
2013-04-24 12:31:23 PM

Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.


I often hear this so it makes me wonder if it is true, then why the objection to closing what is popularly referred to as the "gun show loophole".  Seriously.  From what I hear from the pro-gun side is that through similar reasoning as stated above, even at gun shows purchases have background checks by default.

Well if that is true, then passing a law eliminating what is popularly referred to as the "gun show loophole" would not cause any added hassle at gun shows and would not be noticed by the gun buying public.  So why not then support it as a way to appease the gun control crowd and give lip service to gun safety for political brownie points?
 
2013-04-24 12:31:40 PM

FlashHarry: calm like a bomb: I've wanted to exercise my second amendment rights on Adam Gadahn for several years now.

wait - the second amendment gives you the right to kill somebody because you disagree with him?


Yes.
 
2013-04-24 12:32:07 PM
BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR PRESSURE COOKERS!!
 
2013-04-24 12:32:28 PM

FlashHarry: shaken_not_stirred: As I understand it, Islam is not a race.

so... what do we call somebody who is virulently anti-islam?


Bubba?
 
2013-04-24 12:33:33 PM

Mimic_Octopus: i shouldnt ask, but have you ever seen a serial number on a pussy?


Never found a serial number.  The closest I've got is the "Over 1,000,000,000 served" tattoo on your mom's cooch.

/truly, I'm sorry
 
2013-04-24 12:34:20 PM
The sooner we begin weapons training for all children from age 7, the sooner we can put this all fear behind us.
 
2013-04-24 12:34:25 PM
Why would they bother going to a gunshow?  They can get full auto government "real" assault weapons from Eric Holder for free.
Or they can trade a few of their daughters on the black market for a couple stinger missiles.
Gunshows are overrated, overpriced, and still require background checks if buying from an FFL like they always have.
 
2013-04-24 12:34:57 PM

FlashHarry: shaken_not_stirred: As I understand it, Islam is not a race.

so... what do we call somebody who is virulently anti-islam?


A Republican
 
2013-04-24 12:35:11 PM
BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR PRESSURE COOKERS!!

The problem with dumbass arguements like this is that a pressure cooker has a well-stated purpose outside of bomb-making.
Let me guess...you use your gun to crack open walnuts?
 
2013-04-24 12:35:46 PM
It's really telling/crazy that so many gun nuts think it's their right to sell their guns to their friends without any type of restriction. They don't see the glaringly obvious problem with this.

And how would we enforce it? Easily, with registration. We find a gun not registered to the person holding it, and if it wasn't stolen, the owner is liable for the actions just like the criminal. That will stop straw purchases and private transfers real quick.

Incoming - herp a derpa confiscation mohammed jihad.

Anyway, I'm off to go get blacked out drunk and drive on the freeway, because no one is irresponsible until they actually kill someone. Stop infringing on my right to get drunk and drive. I've never killed anyone before, why are you putting restrictions on MY constitutional right to transportation? Just because I drink from a 'scary' Jim Bean bottle? You're racist.
 
2013-04-24 12:36:13 PM
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2013-04-24 12:36:32 PM

Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.


They should not influence us in the sense that they are "Al "boogyman"-Qaeda". However, it should influence us in the sense that criminals in general have very clear and open loopholes to which they can get pseudo-military grade weapons without any mechanisms for tracking or accountability.

Kind of like you should patch your PC because it is good practice, and helps prevent "incidents". Not because the RBN is going to break in and turn your PC into a porn server.

/RBN = Russian business network
//Yes I consider Al Qaeda criminals
///A farkers PC is already a porn server, but it only hosts 127.0.0.1 =P
 
2013-04-24 12:36:39 PM

JohnnyCanuck: BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR PRESSURE COOKERS!!

The problem with dumbass arguements like this is that a pressure cooker has a well-stated purpose outside of bomb-making.
Let me guess...you use your gun to crack open walnuts?


I use it to fill said pressure cooker.
 
2013-04-24 12:37:25 PM

weiserfireman: An M-4 is a type of weapon that is commonly called an Assault rifle. If I change the upper receiver and barrel, I can change it to a different caliber. .22LR, 9mm, 7.62mm and on and on. The caliber doesn't change the rifle's appearance or function. Just it's appearance. Each of those rounds can be fired in weapons without the style or appearance of an assault rifle. That doesn't make those weapons assault rifles either.

Assault rifle was a term the military came up with to describe a basic infantry weapon that had a common collection of features. Semi-automatic rifle with full-auto capability, detachable magazine, bayonet lug, flash suppressor. Civilians, who liked the appearance of the military weapons, started buying weapons that looked like military rifles, but weren't, because they lacked the full-auto capability


Sounds like you answered your own question. Any gun that has simply been converted from full auto capability (having that function turned off) is still an assault rifle.

Now where's the confusion?
 
2013-04-24 12:39:12 PM

Cletus C.: legion_of_doo: and the Boston dummies shot the hell out of that crowd with their assault pressure cooker.

/ sensible pressure cooker regulations now!

We still going with that? That cop's family would like a word with you.


I didn't know Adam Lanza was a seekrit Muslin!

or, in the Boston thing, let's disenfranchise people based on nonexistent private medical records and free speech on the internet.
 
2013-04-24 12:40:52 PM

JohnnyCanuck: BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR PRESSURE COOKERS!!

The problem with dumbass arguements like this is that a pressure cooker has a well-stated purpose outside of bomb-making.
Let me guess...you use your gun to crack open walnuts?


It's not a gun, it's a "projectile delivery system" and has many intended uses other than killing like, um...pretending to kill via target shooting and...uh...let me get back to you.
 
2013-04-24 12:41:15 PM

macadamnut: [i950.photobucket.com image 850x480]

What a Muslim at a gun show may look like.


Ain't it the trooth. Ain't no white muslins in these parts...
 
2013-04-24 12:42:31 PM

heavymetal: So why not then support it as a way to appease the gun control crowd and give lip service to gun safety for political brownie points?


Accommodating idiots is a poor basis for public policy.
 
2013-04-24 12:42:53 PM

steamingpile: I dont consider it real since most think Gadahn is dead

Probably dug up to give people more bullshiat to post about taking guns.


wikipedia doesn't think he's dead (plus the video is from 2011).
• background checks ≠ taking guns
 
2013-04-24 12:42:58 PM

Mimic_Octopus: i shouldnt ask, but have you ever seen a serial number on a pussy?


Well, the whole thread was a pile of garrbl-shiat until I read that. :D
 
2013-04-24 12:43:08 PM

Dimensio: GoldSpider: goodolboy71: You don't really believe this do you? If so, what caliber makes a weapon an "assault rifle"

I bet he doesn't know, also, that an AR-15 fires a relatively small caliber bullet.

My AR-15 currently fires .22LR caliber ammunition. However, the presence of a collapsing stock may imbue those bullets with armour penetrating capabilities.


Exactly, they would like to think those same rounds from a Ruger 10/22 are harmless.
 
2013-04-24 12:43:08 PM
They're going to buy guns anyways. Might as well be from the winning team.

pharaohweb.com
 
2013-04-24 12:43:29 PM
Pete and repeat opened fire on a crowd....
 
2013-04-24 12:43:41 PM
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Reason #42 why Disco is bad.


 
2013-04-24 12:43:57 PM
I will not stop arguing on the internet until we have successfully formed a cultural link between Islam and the right wing. I'm sick to death of seeing liberals stick up for these clowns. It's just jaw dropping. From now on, whenever someone says "Muslim" or "Islam," I want everyone to think of misogynist, theocratic, red-necked, sanctimonious, judgmental, homophobic, gun-toting hicks. There is literally no difference ideologically between Muslims and extreme right winged republicans. Yet it's always the liberals who jump to their defense and talk about how we "shouldn't lump them all together," as if the ones who aren't terrorists are somehow okay.
 
2013-04-24 12:44:38 PM

justtray: It's really telling/crazy that so many gun nuts think it's their right to sell their guns to their friends without any type of restriction. They don't see the glaringly obvious problem with this.

And how would we enforce it? Easily, with registration. We find a gun not registered to the person holding it, and if it wasn't stolen, the owner is liable for the actions just like the criminal. That will stop straw purchases and private transfers real quick.

Incoming - herp a derpa confiscation mohammed jihad.

Anyway, I'm off to go get blacked out drunk and drive on the freeway, because no one is irresponsible until they actually kill someone. Stop infringing on my right to get drunk and drive. I've never killed anyone before, why are you putting restrictions on MY constitutional right to transportation? Just because I drink from a 'scary' Jim Bean bottle? You're racist.


California did just that.  And.....I would not cry if the 21st amendment were repealed.
 
2013-04-24 12:44:38 PM

heavymetal: Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.

I often hear this so it makes me wonder if it is true, then why the objection to closing what is popularly referred to as the "gun show loophole".  Seriously.  From what I hear from the pro-gun side is that through similar reasoning as stated above, even at gun shows purchases have background checks by default.

Well if that is true, then passing a law eliminating what is popularly referred to as the "gun show loophole" would not cause any added hassle at gun shows and would not be noticed by the gun buying public.  So why not then support it as a way to appease the gun control crowd and give lip service to gun safety for political brownie points?


The issue is that the "gun show loophole" doesn't refer exclusively to gun shows. It's a more general term for all private transfers of firearms, including gifts and inheritances. Requiring a background check before giving or trading a gun to an old friend or family member is a highly intrusive (and potentially very expensive) pain in the ass. Surely you can understand why people would not want to deal with this.
 
2013-04-24 12:44:42 PM

2wolves: Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.

Citation please.


This has been my experience at The Nation's Gunshow in the Northern Virgina. Nearly all the real shootin' iron I've seen there is sold by dealers. Some exotic or relic firearms (like WWI or WWII firearms) is sold by private sellers, and as he said, most of the private sellers are peddling accessories and What Not. You have to rent a table to sell your stuff there. If you're just selling one or two common items, I can't imagine it's worth the expense to sell at a show.
 
2013-04-24 12:45:00 PM

Terrydatroll: you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"

I sell one of my guns from my collection to a friend. Way of life.
I have to do a background check on my friend before I can sell him a gun from my collection. Changed way of life.
I have to do the background checks because a terrorist found a loophole. Terrorists changed my way of life.

Yes, it does change my way of life.


You'll get over it. Man up, nancyboy.
 
2013-04-24 12:45:50 PM

JohnnyCanuck: The problem with dumbass arguements like this is that a pressure cooker has a well-stated purpose outside of bomb-making.
Let me guess...you use your gun to crack open walnuts?


A gun can be used to intentionally hurt people.
A pressure cooker can be used to intentionally hurt people.

Would-be perpetrators of violence don't really care what an object's manufactured purpose is.
 
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