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(YouTube)   Al Qaeda spokesman to Muslims wanting to attack in the US: go to a gun show and buy an assault rifle. There are no background checks. Oh, and the video was uploaded in 2011 - well before Sandy Hook   (youtube.com) divider line 498
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2013-04-24 12:04:25 PM
There are BG checks in Florida gun shows.
I've been foiled trying to buy a gun before.
(No record of any kind)
 
2013-04-24 12:04:34 PM

you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"


So how are you going to enforce a background check for private face-to-face dealings?
 
2013-04-24 12:05:38 PM
They love Obama's immigration policies as well!
 
2013-04-24 12:05:40 PM

jaylectricity: [i377.photobucket.com image 520x465]


Thats actually gone now, it was up for a long time but recently got replaced with...get this...and anti-gun ad!
 
2013-04-24 12:05:40 PM
smerfnablin:

4. And then there are "private dealers" who will sell you a few used firearm face to face without a background check or any paperwork. The items are usually very over priced plus these types of individuals are few and far between. These are usually the guys that fly all the huge flags over their tables of objectionable message and have very interesting things to say about politics and religion.

Do you think a muslim with a noticeable accent really wants to approach one of these individuals and attempt to purchase a firearm from them?


"Their money's green & American and it's for a good cause."

Profit over prophet, y'know.
 
2013-04-24 12:05:42 PM

Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.


Tats enjoys blood shed like most Israelis.

nigelparry.com
 
2013-04-24 12:05:45 PM
Also of note is the fact that you don't have to be a citizen to buy a gun in most places. Hell you don't have to be a citizen to get a concealed carry permit. There's usually just a time limit on how long you have to live in the country. EVEN WITH A BACKGROUND CHECK.

Until there is a "crackhead, insane person, nutjob watchlist" and you have to pass it in order to buy a crockpot or firecrackers people are always going to slip through the cracks. The best thing to do is protect YOURSELF. When seconds count police are just minutes away.
 
2013-04-24 12:06:12 PM
I've wanted to exercise my second amendment rights on Adam Gadahn for several years now.
 
2013-04-24 12:06:46 PM

Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.


Just out of curiosity - should an ex-spouse - or ex-spouse to be - with an impending hearing for a domestic violence charge be able to by any weapon completely unfettered? Should someone awaiting trial - but not convicted - of a violent crime have unfettered access to weaponry?
 
2013-04-24 12:06:50 PM

Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.


Your right to buy crazy-assed, high-powered people killers and your freedom to do so without any hassle or documentation?

Our "way of lives" is kind of farked, frankly.
 
2013-04-24 12:06:59 PM
Many of you are assuming that:
1) The prospective terrorist has a Muslim appearance; and / or
2) The prospective terrorist would approach the sellers directly rather than use a straw buyer.
 
2013-04-24 12:07:07 PM
and the Boston dummies shot the hell out of that crowd with their assault pressure cooker.

/ sensible pressure cooker regulations now!
 
2013-04-24 12:08:17 PM

Treygreen13: you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"

So how are you going to enforce a background check for private face-to-face dealings?


How do you enforce one friend selling sex to another friend privately?
 
2013-04-24 12:08:21 PM

Terrydatroll: you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"

I sell one of my guns from my collection to a friend. Way of life.
I have to do a background check on my friend before I can sell him a gun from my collection. Changed way of life.
I have to do the background checks because a terrorist found a loophole. Terrorists changed my way of life.

Yes, it does change my way of life.


Those words...

bbsimg.ngfiles.com

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_(sociology)

The only way a background check would change your "way of life" would be if you sold guns on a regular basis - in which case you're already supposed to have an FFL and do background checks.
 
2013-04-24 12:08:25 PM
Money talks.
 
2013-04-24 12:08:36 PM

Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.


In other words "Gun shows are some sort of arms exchange and some of them are not organized by any licensed gun dealers and are not required to do background checks. Private sellers are allowed and can sell anything they want to anyone they want."
 
2013-04-24 12:08:40 PM

madgonad: The dipshiat is only partially correct. Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.


Some weapons can be converted from semi-automatic to fully-automatic. I hear they sell kits.
 
2013-04-24 12:09:30 PM

legion_of_doo: and the Boston dummies shot the hell out of that crowd with their assault pressure cooker.

/ sensible pressure cooker regulations now!


We still going with that? That cop's family would like a word with you.
 
2013-04-24 12:10:09 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Terrydatroll: you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"

I sell one of my guns from my collection to a friend. Way of life.
I have to do a background check on my friend before I can sell him a gun from my collection. Changed way of life.
I have to do the background checks because a terrorist found a loophole. Terrorists changed my way of life.

Yes, it does change my way of life.

Those words...

[bbsimg.ngfiles.com image 330x282]

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_(sociology)

The only way a background check would change your "way of life" would be if you sold guns on a regular basis - in which case you're already supposed to have an FFL and do background checks.


When someone has a username that ends in troll and posts something extremely stupid, just let it go because man, it's gone.
 
2013-04-24 12:11:28 PM

calm like a bomb: I've wanted to exercise my second amendment rights on Adam Gadahn for several years now.


wait - the second amendment gives you the right to kill somebody because you disagree with him?

/i disagree with him too
//wouldn't shed a single tear if he were killed
 
2013-04-24 12:12:01 PM

Nabb1: Bontesla: Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.

And shouting fire in a crowded theater?

Hasn't got a damn thing to do with this?


I think his point is that enumerated Constitutional rights can be limited. Just like how automatic weapons and explosives are restricted, yet somehow the 2nd Amendment is still effective.
 
2013-04-24 12:12:19 PM
Yep.  OK.  Muslim at a gun show.  That'll go over like a fart in church.
 
2013-04-24 12:12:36 PM

special20: madgonad: The dipshiat is only partially correct. Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

Some weapons can be converted from semi-automatic to fully-automatic. I hear they sell kits.


I caught sayof that too.  In some cases it's as easy as filing down the right component(s).  Therefore, fully automatic assault rifles should be legal since criminals have acces to hardware stores.
 
2013-04-24 12:12:44 PM
I don't know where you get your actual and factual information, but from where I get mine, this idiot is wrong, most likely knows it and is (surprise) lying.
And that does not address the question of why would you believe anything this psychopath says?
 
2013-04-24 12:13:03 PM
I don't mind background checks, but if the Feds require Punkbuster to shut down my aimbot, I'm marching right up those steps to the Supreme Court, Mister!
 
2013-04-24 12:13:17 PM
Does this mean that the senators who are on the gun lobby's payroll that just shot down the effort for more stringent background checks should be prosecuted for conspiring with Al Qaeda?
 
2013-04-24 12:13:23 PM
I did not speak for or against gun control. I said that Al Qaeda should play no part whatsoever in our decisions regarding this.

Two completely different things.
 
2013-04-24 12:13:28 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Yep.  OK.  Muslim at a gun show.  That'll go over like a fart in church.


You've never been to a gun show, have you?
 
2013-04-24 12:13:56 PM
The terrorist is probably right, buying a rifle at a gun show would probably give them a higher kill count than a bomb. But they'll have to really try to stand out, considering that colleges, theaters, congress critters and even children have all been shot up before.

For shootings in America, the bar is high, our skin is thick, and our memory is short.
 
2013-04-24 12:14:19 PM

legion_of_doo: and the Boston dummies shot the hell out of that crowd with their assault pressure cooker.

/ sensible pressure cooker regulations now!


www.gannett-cdn.com

Murdered. Shot repeatedly in the head by a mentally ill person with a gun.

/Sensible gun control laws now!
 
2013-04-24 12:15:19 PM

madgonad: doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.

Yes it is. The term 'assault rifle' is all about the caliber and not the presence of select-fire.


You don't really believe this do you?  If so, what caliber makes a weapon an "assault rifle"
 
2013-04-24 12:15:27 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Nana's Vibrator: Yep.  OK.  Muslim at a gun show.  That'll go over like a fart in church.

You've never been to a gun show, have you?


Or my church for that matter....
*PFFFFFFRT*
 
2013-04-24 12:15:35 PM
What we need NOW is sensible Nanny Control.
 
2013-04-24 12:16:23 PM
Nothing to worry about.  Those rednecks that sell guns at gun shows wouldn't sell to anyone who isn't a white full blooded American Christian.
 
2013-04-24 12:17:08 PM

madgonad: doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.

Yes it is. The term 'assault rifle' is all about the caliber and not the presence of select-fire.


That is a very strange thing to say.  It makes...no sense whatsoever.
 
2013-04-24 12:17:28 PM

Nabb1: Such as? I'm fairly certain you actually have to be convicted as a sex offender before you have to register as a sex offender.


And you can't be convicted based solely upon allegation, and without proof?
 
2013-04-24 12:18:08 PM
Yes, the threat of terrorism is so great, all those muslims have been carrying out mass shootings every year in the US for the last decade and....

What's that?  Almost all those mass shootings were carried out by lonely white dudes?  Huh.
 
2013-04-24 12:18:12 PM

FlashHarry: smerfnablin: Are they farking stupid? Do you REALLY want to be a muslim at a gunshow?!

Have you SEEN the type of people who show up at gunshows? It would be like making their dream come true

are you saying that private gun sellers are racists?


As I understand it, Islam is not a race.
 
2013-04-24 12:18:14 PM

2wolves: Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.

Citation please.


why dont you just go down to the convention center next time one passes through your city and see for yourself?  What he says is true based on my 10-ish gun shows from SE Florida to NW Oregon over 10 years.
 
2013-04-24 12:18:19 PM

markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?


You are correct; outrageously, the United States government does not use the secretly compiled and demonstrably erroneous "terror watch "list as a method for abridging Constitutionally protected liberties, despite such abridgment guaranteeing that those affected would be denied any due process and despite an inability to appeal being listed.
 
2013-04-24 12:18:36 PM
Terrorists are always welcome at our gun club... as long as they are willing to hold the targets.
 
KIA
2013-04-24 12:18:55 PM
There are restrictions on person-to-person transfers, usually by residency. There are also BATF agents patrolling gun shows and doing undercover stings all the time.

Basically, you can't sell to someone who isn't a resident of your state. This is usually verified by presenting a driver's license or spmethe other state-issued ID which is one of the reasons people are agitated about states which issue licenses to foreign nationals and voter ID cards to undocumented folks. It is a major security flaw.
 
2013-04-24 12:19:41 PM

goodolboy71: You don't really believe this do you? If so, what caliber makes a weapon an "assault rifle"


I bet he doesn't know, also, that an AR-15 fires a relatively small caliber bullet.
 
2013-04-24 12:19:57 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Nana's Vibrator: Yep.  OK.  Muslim at a gun show.  That'll go over like a fart in church.

You've never been to a gun show, have you?


Yeah, I think both groups would probably bond over the love of instruments of death.
It's not like they wouldn't sell a gun to someone they'd suspect of terrorist ties, anyway.
"Don't tread on me" and all that.
 
2013-04-24 12:20:32 PM
"Uh, yes, my name is Sal'du... er, Mark. Yes, Mark. I wish to buy some kind of automatic weapon. Those are lovely swastika tattoos by the way."
 
2013-04-24 12:20:45 PM

you are a puppet: Treygreen13: you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"

So how are you going to enforce a background check for private face-to-face dealings?

How do you enforce one friend selling sex to another friend privately?


We make them get married.
 
2013-04-24 12:20:49 PM

stampylives: Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.

I doubt someone on the terrorist watch list would be accepted into a well regulated militia.


You say that like there is a difference.
 
2013-04-24 12:20:54 PM
i950.photobucket.com

What a Muslim at a gun show may look like.
 
2013-04-24 12:20:58 PM

GoldSpider: goodolboy71: You don't really believe this do you? If so, what caliber makes a weapon an "assault rifle"

I bet he doesn't know, also, that an AR-15 fires a relatively small caliber bullet.


My AR-15 currently fires .22LR caliber ammunition. However, the presence of a collapsing stock may imbue those bullets with armour penetrating capabilities.
 
2013-04-24 12:21:03 PM
So what I am seeing from the gun nuts in this thread is that there should not, in any way, be any firearm registry or background checks...because other gun nuts are so racist they would not sell to a brown person anyway.

Yeah...you're relying on "Bubba & Clay" to keep the country safe. They won't protect you from "Bill" at the post office who lost his shiat...but hey...no way he sells to "Mohamed"......unless he can dress and talk 'murican.

\real names changed to protect the nut jobs.
 
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