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(YouTube)   Al Qaeda spokesman to Muslims wanting to attack in the US: go to a gun show and buy an assault rifle. There are no background checks. Oh, and the video was uploaded in 2011 - well before Sandy Hook   (youtube.com) divider line 498
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2013-04-24 10:36:33 AM
i assumed this was fake, until i googled the guy. i guess he's the real deal. what a farking asshole.
 
2013-04-24 10:41:29 AM
The dipshiat is only partially correct. Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

You will need Bitcoins and some encryption software to buy class 3 weapons.
 
2013-04-24 10:41:54 AM
Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?
 
2013-04-24 10:45:09 AM

markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?


Yup, all they need to do is a 'private seller' transaction, no check required.
 
2013-04-24 10:46:49 AM

markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?


Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.
 
2013-04-24 10:46:54 AM
I'm not worried about this, and you know why?

The folks who go to gun shows would never in a million years sell a gun to a guy who looked muslim-y.
 
2013-04-24 10:48:43 AM
Not sure why you mentioned Sandy Hook, that was his mother's legally acquired and fully background checked guns there.
 
2013-04-24 10:48:45 AM

Aarontology: I'm not worried about this, and you know why?

The folks who go to gun shows would never in a million years sell a gun to a guy who looked muslim-y.


You mean the guy with all the Third Reich paraphernalia for sale because of its "historical value" might not want to sell his stuff to brown folks?
 
2013-04-24 10:50:09 AM
Aarontology: I'm not worried about this, and you know why?

The folks who go to gun showsrun elections would never in a million years provide a voter IDsell a gun to a guy  who looked muslim-y.
 
2013-04-24 10:50:18 AM

Nabb1: You mean the guy with all the Third Reich paraphernalia for sale because of its "historical value" might not want to sell his stuff to brown folks?


Shocking, I know. I doubt the guy with all the Militia stuff would either.
 
2013-04-24 10:53:45 AM
I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.
 
2013-04-24 10:57:26 AM

Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.


Citation please.
 
2013-04-24 11:04:39 AM

madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.


If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.
 
2013-04-24 11:04:52 AM

nekom: Not sure why you mentioned Sandy Hook, that was his mother's legally acquired and fully background checked guns there.


i think it's because sandy hook spurred the current gun debate. prior to then, democrats were mostly silent on guns. in other words, it's not like this video was just uploaded to bolster the pro-background check side.
 
2013-04-24 11:08:08 AM
Are they farking stupid? Do you REALLY want to be a muslim at a gunshow?!

Have you SEEN the type of people who show up at gunshows? It would be like making their dream come true
 
2013-04-24 11:11:54 AM

Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.


A lot of gaps in there.

Where did the Tsarnaevs get theirs?
 
2013-04-24 11:13:29 AM

smerfnablin: Are they farking stupid? Do you REALLY want to be a muslim at a gunshow?!

Have you SEEN the type of people who show up at gunshows? It would be like making their dream come true


are you saying that private gun sellers are racists?
 
2013-04-24 11:14:53 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.

A lot of gaps in there.

Where did the Tsarnaevs get theirs?


Williams-Sonoma, next to the pressure cookers
 
2013-04-24 11:15:18 AM
i've been to several gun shows (looking for a lee-enfield .303) and found them fascinating and terrifying. i saw more than a few few swastika tattoos each time.
 
2013-04-24 11:16:50 AM
Few few few!
 
2013-04-24 11:17:40 AM

Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.


And shouting fire in a crowded theater?
 
2013-04-24 11:24:55 AM
Ive been to several gun shows in Texas (Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin) and they are all pretty much the same.

You walk into a large convention center with rows and rows of portable tables that have anywhere between 80 to 240 vendors.

1. As previously stated some of these vendors are licensed gun dealers who will make you fill out a NCIC form and phone it in right there on their cellphone. This would be the same type of transaction as walking into a gunstore and purchasing a firearm over the counter.

2. Some of these dealers are selling ammunition and accessories that do not require any of these forms.

3. There are a lot of arts and crafts vendors selling everything from knives made out of deer antlers to table lamps.

4. And then there are "private dealers" who will sell you a few used firearm face to face without a background check or any paperwork. The items are usually very over priced plus these types of individuals are few and far between. These are usually the guys that fly all the huge flags over their tables of objectionable message and have very interesting things to say about politics and religion.

Do you think a muslim with a noticeable accent really wants to approach one of these individuals and attempt to purchase a firearm from them?
 
2013-04-24 11:28:22 AM

Bontesla: And shouting fire in a crowded theater?


20 minutes total but that bullshiat is laid to rest in  90 seconds (but take all 20)
 
2013-04-24 11:29:18 AM
i377.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-24 11:29:25 AM

doglover: madgonad: Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

If it's not fully automatic, it's not an assault rifle.

It's like saying "You don't need a driver's license to drive this car." where the car is actually a ten speed Huffy.


Yes it is. The term 'assault rifle' is all about the caliber and not the presence of select-fire.
 
2013-04-24 11:31:43 AM

Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.


Next they'll tell you that based solely on allegation and without proof you can wind up on a list of people who have to register their address and warn their neighbors that they live there.
 
2013-04-24 11:32:23 AM

jaylectricity: [i377.photobucket.com image 520x465]


That is a PS, right?
 
2013-04-24 11:33:16 AM

jaylectricity: [i377.photobucket.com image 520x465]


boston, no less.
 
2013-04-24 11:38:00 AM

CapeFearCadaver: jaylectricity: [i377.photobucket.com image 520x465]

That is a PS, right?


No. It was put up by a pro-gun control group - kind of like trolling the general public.

Yes, it is inflammatory
Yes, it is technically accurate. Only FFLs are required to do anything when selling a firearm. If I sold one of my ARs to you I would have no duty to ask you for any ID or to have you pass a background check. A lot of guns are sold by non-licensed private sellers at gun shows.
 
2013-04-24 11:39:14 AM

unlikely: Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.

Next they'll tell you that based solely on allegation and without proof you can wind up on a list of people who have to register their address and warn their neighbors that they live there.


Such as? I'm fairly certain you actually have to be convicted as a sex offender before you have to register as a sex offender.
 
2013-04-24 11:40:19 AM

Bontesla: Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.

And shouting fire in a crowded theater?


Hasn't got a damn thing to do with this?
 
2013-04-24 11:42:27 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Bontesla: And shouting fire in a crowded theater?

20 minutes total but that bullshiat is laid to rest in  90 seconds (but take all 20)


At work and on my phone so the video won't play. Could you summarize? Thanks!
 
2013-04-24 11:43:37 AM

Nabb1: Bontesla: Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.

And shouting fire in a crowded theater?

Hasn't got a damn thing to do with this?


Wait, what???
 
2013-04-24 11:54:31 AM
i253.photobucket.comMy opinions are never respected so I will just post my thoughtfully created Paintshoop, which is even less respected.
 
2013-04-24 11:55:05 AM
... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.
 
2013-04-24 11:55:57 AM

jaylectricity: [i377.photobucket.com image 520x465]


I'm not having as much trouble as I used to imagining Wally the Green Monster shouldering an AR-15.
 
2013-04-24 11:56:13 AM

Nabb1: unlikely: Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Next they'll tell you that based solely on allegation and without proof you can wind up on a list of people who have to register their address and warn their neighbors that they live there.

Such as? I'm fairly certain you actually have to be convicted as a sex offender before you have to register as a sex offender.


You do know that being drunk and getting caught pissing on a dumpster is enough to go on that registry right? It's almost as easy as getting on a no-fly list.....
 
2013-04-24 12:00:25 PM
Yes, because stealing a gun is the same as buying one at a gun show?
 
2013-04-24 12:00:32 PM

Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.


Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"
 
2013-04-24 12:01:52 PM

madgonad: The dipshiat is only partially correct. Buy an assault rifle without ID - yes. Fully automatic - no.

You will need Bitcoins and some encryption software to buy class 3 weapons.


Fortunately the NRA is working hard to change all that... for freedom!
=Smidge=
 
2013-04-24 12:02:41 PM
Did they end the video with the advice to go shoot up a 'gun-free' zone?
 
2013-04-24 12:03:00 PM

you are a puppet: Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.

Having background checks doesn't change "our way of lives"


I sell one of my guns from my collection to a friend. Way of life.
I have to do a background check on my friend before I can sell him a gun from my collection. Changed way of life.
I have to do the background checks because a terrorist found a loophole. Terrorists changed my way of life.

Yes, it does change my way of life.
 
2013-04-24 12:03:18 PM

Tatsuma: ... so we should just restrict our rights and freedom because some people might exploit them? Al Qaeda found a loophole, well good for them, but it should have exactly 0% influence on any decisions in the matter. fark them, we're not going to change our way of lives one more iota because of them.


You know that they aren't the only ones who know about this loophole, right? It's pretty much common knowledge.

A background check doesn't infringe an anyone's rights.

Now, if you're fine with the idea of a wanted man escaping from police and then buying weapons without any kind of a background check (as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would have been free to do had he not been caught Friday night), good for you. But the rest of us think that's batshiat insane.
 
2013-04-24 12:03:39 PM
Clearly the answer is to arm... someone? I need some help here, guys.
 
2013-04-24 12:03:41 PM
 
2013-04-24 12:03:44 PM

2wolves: Nabb1: I know there's this idea that gun shows are some sort of arms exchange free-for-all, but a lot of them are organized and run by licensed gun dealers, who actually do background checks. Private sellers are usually in the minority and even then they sell more accessories and other stuff than actual guns, especially assault rifles and the like.

Citation please.


I don't have a citation for that (not everything is wiki-able), but in my experience at gun shows he's exactly right. Mostly licensed dealers who do checks, a handful of private sellers with limited supply.
 
2013-04-24 12:03:51 PM

nekom: Not sure why you mentioned Sandy Hook, that was his mother's legally acquired and fully background checked guns there.


She was a law-abiding gun owner. As was her son, until he stopped abiding.
 
2013-04-24 12:03:52 PM

Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.


I doubt someone on the terrorist watch list would be accepted into a well regulated militia.
 
2013-04-24 12:04:01 PM

vudutek: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Yup, all they need to do is a 'private seller' transaction, no check required.


Don't think of it as selling arms to terrorists (not that that is terribly wrong since, after all, Ronald Reagan did it). Think of it as refreshing the tree of liberty with the blood of 6 and 7 year old children. Somehow that ennobles the cause.
 
2013-04-24 12:04:23 PM

Nabb1: unlikely: Nabb1: markie_farkie: Saw somewhere else that even if SOMEONE IS ON THE TERROR WATCHLIST they can still buy a firearm even with a background check..

WTF?

Do you mean to tell me that someone cannot be stripped of an enumerated Constitutional right by the government simply putting one's name on a list without any mechanism of notice or due process? This is unbelievable.

Next they'll tell you that based solely on allegation and without proof you can wind up on a list of people who have to register their address and warn their neighbors that they live there.

Such as? I'm fairly certain you actually have to be convicted as a sex offender before you have to register as a sex offender.


The meaning of "sex offender" has become so overbroad as to be meaningless. Hang a leak behind a tree and a kid sees you? Streak at a baseball game? Elbow a woman in the boob on the subway? Under the bridge with you.
 
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