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(Washington Times)   Senators to White House: please spend DOD's $150 million athletic shoe allowance on American athletic shoes   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 46
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2013-04-24 09:46:57 AM  
Great. New Balance it is.
 
2013-04-24 11:13:01 AM  
Keds?
 
2013-04-24 11:48:10 AM  
The tag in my New Balance shoes says "MADE IN CHINA"

WTF? Did DSW sell me knockoffs?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-04-24 12:27:31 PM  
Is there an American athletic show made in the US.

I doubt it... not anything that doesn't self destruct, anyway.
 
2013-04-24 12:28:13 PM  
Remember, kids, killing the NEA and Planned Parenthood funding helps pay off the debt.
 
2013-04-24 12:29:28 PM  
How about a nice pair of Red Wings?

'Cuase they sure won't need 'em in the playoffs!
 
2013-04-24 12:30:44 PM  
It was a brand called 'Roos' in my day, although a lot of folks still ran PT in boots back then.

My manicured parade ground, OFF!
 
2013-04-24 12:31:38 PM  
My workout shoes are new balance... they are so green they look like part of a super hero costume.

/still fat.
 
2013-04-24 12:32:39 PM  
Great, so now the military will look like a bunch of hipsters in their Chuck Taylor All-Stars.
 
2013-04-24 12:33:49 PM  

unlikely: The tag in my New Balance shoes says "MADE IN CHINA"

WTF? Did DSW sell me knockoffs?


Only 25% of New Balance shoes are made in the US.
 
2013-04-24 12:35:24 PM  

UseUrHeadFred: How about a nice pair of Red Wings?

'Cuase they sure won't need 'em in the playoffs!


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But you're wrong.
 
2013-04-24 12:36:24 PM  

elchip: Great, so now the military will look like a bunch of hipsters in their Chuck Taylor All-Stars.


Made in China for at least ~6 years(age of my pair, which say made in china)
 
2013-04-24 12:36:53 PM  
I'll tell you what, as soon as Congress can get its act together and reform the tax laws and business regulations that make it profitable for companies to move jobs overseas in the first place then we'll listen to your patriotic pandering bullshiat.  OK?
 
2013-04-24 12:41:49 PM  
My "go-fasters" from basic training in 2004 were made in the USA, hopefully that trend continues.

d23: Is there an American athletic show made in the US.

I doubt it... not anything that doesn't self destruct, anyway.


And they lasted a long farking time.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-04-24 12:45:27 PM  

Pincy: I'll tell you what, as soon as Congress can get its act together and reform the tax laws and business regulations that make it profitable for companies to move jobs overseas in the first place then we'll listen to your patriotic pandering bullshiat.  OK?


As soon as Congress finds someone to pay them for doing it they'll get right on that.
 
2013-04-24 12:55:10 PM  
Why are Republicans always demanding affirmative action for American businesses? If they can't earn our business in the free market, why do they deserve our business? We're just creating a generation of businesses dependent on handouts when we do this.

Am I doing it right?
 
2013-04-24 01:00:35 PM  

xenophon10k: Great. New Balance it is.


Apparently only one out of every for pair is made in the US.

Link
 
2013-04-24 01:05:48 PM  
What I wear.

http://www.newbalance.com/New-Balance-990v3/M990,default,pd.html

These shoes are proudly made in our U.S. factories by our more than 1,300 U.S. workers. Where the domestic value is at least 70% we have labeled them "Made in USA."
 
M-G
2013-04-24 01:20:07 PM  

unlikely: The tag in my New Balance shoes says "MADE IN CHINA"

WTF? Did DSW sell me knockoffs?


As already mentioned, only a portion of NB's shoes are made in the US.  But they're still the only major brand doing it, AFAIK.  And I've seen them increase their domestic production, as my old pair of 855s were made in China, but my new pair of 856s are US-made.
 
2013-04-24 01:20:59 PM  

neongoats: elchip: Great, so now the military will look like a bunch of hipsters in their Chuck Taylor All-Stars.

Made in China for at least ~6 years(age of my pair, which say made in china)

 They were made in the USA until 2001 when they filed for bankruptcy. They were bought by an acquisitions group who moved all manufacturing to Asia then sold them to Nike in 2003.
 
2013-04-24 01:26:00 PM  
I've never gotten issued running shoes. Even in boot camp, they took you down to a mini PX and you had to buy them.

After that, you're given an annual clothing allowance with which buy replacement uniforms, boots, and shoes to replace what gets worn out.
 
2013-04-24 01:28:11 PM  
I sport New Balance sneakers to avoid a narrow path...
 
2013-04-24 01:33:01 PM  
EPA regulations make it hard to produce the soles for athletic shoes in the USA.

It's somewhere between Ricardo's law and paying someone else to breathe the fumes, which might also be Ricardo's law.
 
2013-04-24 02:04:34 PM  
"The government needs to act more like business to cut down on costs. No more excessively expensive purchases where cheaper goods will suffice."

"Damn you government! Why are you buying cheap foreign goods instead of things made in the USA?"
 
2013-04-24 02:09:52 PM  

unlikely: The tag in my New Balance shoes says "MADE IN CHINA"

WTF? Did DSW sell me knockoffs?


IIRC, "New Balance Classics" are made in China. The rest of their line is made in the US.
 
2013-04-24 02:13:01 PM  
I don't recall anything in the bible about shoes. If got had wanted our feet protected, he would have given us hooves.

/Only now do I realize that could be considered pony related. Not pony related.
 
2013-04-24 02:20:45 PM  

MFAWG: It was a brand called 'Roos' in my day, although a lot of folks still ran PT in boots back then.

My manicured parade ground, OFF!


Were they those brown kicks? we mostly used boots but I have a vague memory of brown sneakers (circa 1984).
 
2013-04-24 02:29:57 PM  

Foxxinnia: "Damn you government! Why are you buying cheap foreign goods instead of things made in the USA?"


I was just going to post a comparison for combat boots contrasting the price between the high-end made in 'Merica ones, and the cheap pos "imported" boots.

Unfortunately, I can't seem to find an approved Marine Corps Combat Boot that is not made in the US.  Danner, Bates, Belleville, and even Altema are all "proudly made in the USA."  The rest of their lines might not be, but the government approved ones sure are.

I wonder why that is.
 
2013-04-24 02:35:08 PM  

studs up: MFAWG: It was a brand called 'Roos' in my day, although a lot of folks still ran PT in boots back then.

My manicured parade ground, OFF!

Were they those brown kicks? we mostly used boots but I have a vague memory of brown sneakers (circa 1984).


Yup, sort of a grayish-brown color. Wearing them was somewhat frowned upon in those days, especially around board and EER time.
 
2013-04-24 02:44:43 PM  

unlikely: The tag in my New Balance shoes says "MADE IN CHINA"

WTF? Did DSW sell me knockoffs?


Even New Balance makes most, but not all, of their shoes in China nowadays.  It's very sad.
 
2013-04-24 02:45:14 PM  
We PTed in the atheletic shoes we brought with us. If you didn't bring any, the little PX at Reception Station had some off-brand kind. Possibly the aforementioned Roos.

Ft. Knox, '82.
 
2013-04-24 02:55:58 PM  

give me doughnuts: We PTed in the atheletic shoes we brought with us. If you didn't bring any, the little PX at Reception Station had some off-brand kind. Possibly the aforementioned Roos.

Ft. Knox, '82.


You received a clothing allowance. Athletic shoes were part of what it covered - whether you spent the allowance on them or not.
Also, you were lucky. At Summer Camp Jackson '00, we were ordered to buy PX shoes even if we brought an unopened pair from home.
 
2013-04-24 03:01:11 PM  
In 1997 the Marine Corps issued New Balances at Parris Island.  And the last pair I bought were Made in the USA.  I'm a firm believer in paying a few bucks more if it will support some American worker.
 
2013-04-24 04:06:20 PM  
They'd better buy American.   What if there was a war, and we needed the spare parts to fix them!  We can't know that the supplier might be on the enemy side or not.
 
2013-04-24 04:08:07 PM  
New Balance is all I wear anyway, because apparently Nike is unaware that there are different widths of feet.
 
2013-04-24 04:34:46 PM  
Last I checked, SOME New Balance were made in the US.
 
2013-04-24 04:36:05 PM  

wildcardjack: EPA regulations make it hard to produce the soles for athletic shoes in the USA.

It's somewhere between Ricardo's law and paying someone else to breathe the fumes, which might also be Ricardo's law.


That's all BS.

When you make crap overseas you can pick any country to 'pay taxes in'. Like Bermuda. If you make stuff here you are stuck paying taxes here.

As a bonus, the US tax system does allow you do deduct capital expenses whether they are for a factory in Dayton, OH or Hong Kong.
 
2013-04-24 05:32:58 PM  
 
2013-04-24 09:06:01 PM  

DeaH: Aren't there already laws on the books that require the government to purchase American products when available unless said products are far below par or would hurt the Canadian economy?


That deals with public works. This supposed $150 Million will come out of the annual clothing allowance for enlisted troops. I can't really find accurate and current figures for how many enlisted there are, only the 1.5 Million total which includes officers who do not receive a clothing allowance. I'm not sure how much running shoes cost now, but anyway you do the math probably looks a lot like cop math when dealing with a drug bust. Imagine telling a service member that the shoes he/she purchased exclusively for running that work great for him/her are no longer in regs and oh, by the way, you're now going to have to wear these shoes that probably don't fit your arch, just so a few lawmakers can look good during re-election season.
 
2013-04-24 09:34:57 PM  

DicksWii: DeaH: Aren't there already laws on the books that require the government to purchase American products when available unless said products are far below par or would hurt the Canadian economy?

That deals with public works. This supposed $150 Million will come out of the annual clothing allowance for enlisted troops. I can't really find accurate and current figures for how many enlisted there are, only the 1.5 Million total which includes officers who do not receive a clothing allowance. I'm not sure how much running shoes cost now, but anyway you do the math probably looks a lot like cop math when dealing with a drug bust. Imagine telling a service member that the shoes he/she purchased exclusively for running that work great for him/her are no longer in regs and oh, by the way, you're now going to have to wear these shoes that probably don't fit your arch, just so a few lawmakers can look good during re-election season.


There's what, like one ot two million folks in active duty + the reserves?  That's maybe 75 to 150 bucks every year for new running shoes for each one.
 
2013-04-24 10:30:09 PM  

Bonzo_1116: DicksWii: DeaH:
There's what, like one ot two million folks in active duty + the reserves?  That's maybe 75 to 150 bucks every year for new running shoes for each one.


Out of the $388 for the male AF member annually that is quite a lot, when he may also have a nice pair of running shoes, and he needs to get new ABU pants because they have one too many grease/fuel/hydro stains on the ones he's wearing, and he can't afford to get them on his small wages. The member essentially has to upkeep his entire uniform on his own, but somehow, the AF says, nope, we're going to go ahead and just give you these shoes, and no other uniform items.

/I'm so glad i just retired
//I'm having flashbacks to stupidity
 
2013-04-24 11:21:27 PM  

DicksWii: Imagine telling a service member that the shoes he/she purchased exclusively for running that work great for him/her are no longer in regs and oh, by the way, you're now going to have to wear these shoes that probably don't fit your arch, just so a few lawmakers can look good during re-election season.


You just explained every weapon system and every bit of technology, equipment, field gear, and clothing utilized by all four services.  There isn't a single thing that we deal with on a daily basis that didn't have a vastly superior (and usually cheaper) option available when the applicable contract, purchase agreement, or regulation was signed.
 
2013-04-24 11:40:32 PM  
What? When I was in the army I had to buy my own running shoes.
 
2013-04-25 02:17:38 AM  

clkeagle: There isn't a single thing that we deal with on a daily basis that didn't have a vastly superior (and usually cheaper) option available when the applicable contract, purchase agreement, or regulation was signed.


I would argue that Trijicon RCO's are an exception to this rule.  They stood out to me as an example of equipment that was the absolute best available regardless of cost.  Of course then they had the whole bible verse inscription issue, but the actual optics are amazingly high quality.
 
2013-04-25 11:03:24 AM  

clkeagle: DicksWii: Imagine telling a service member that the shoes he/she purchased exclusively for running that work great for him/her are no longer in regs and oh, by the way, you're now going to have to wear these shoes that probably don't fit your arch, just so a few lawmakers can look good during re-election season.

You just explained every weapon system and every bit of technology, equipment, field gear, and clothing utilized by all four services.  There isn't a single thing that we deal with on a daily basis that didn't have a vastly superior (and usually cheaper) option available when the applicable contract, purchase agreement, or regulation was signed.


I know that now. I was drinking a little last nite. Really, my only point was that a uniform is the service member's responsibility and just blindly buying some shoes and handing those out would be one of the more hamfisted approaches to not even solving the real problem.
 
2013-04-25 01:21:14 PM  
from New Balance website


Our U.S. factories produce footwear for all 5 branches of the armed services.We're proud to be an official footwear and apparel provider of the United States Military. Building on our long-term relationship with the armed forces, we recently created a special in-house team devoted to determining and meeting the unique performance footwear and apparel requirements of each branch.We are also proud to sponsor the Marine Corps Historic Half Marathon, and the Army Ten Miler, and the Air Force Marathon.But if you want a pair made in the USA it will cost ya... about $150.  I wish I could afford them.
 
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