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(Yahoo)   Facebook planning $300M data center, pretty much smack in the middle of Farmville   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 26
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2013-04-24 11:52:47 AM
31 jobs?  $18,000,000 in tax exemptions to create 31 jobs?  That's $580,645.16 per job.
 
2013-04-24 11:55:19 AM
Know how I know you've never been to Altoona or Des Moines?  Implying Iowa is only farms.  FTFA the other option was Kearney, NE.  Population total goes to Altoona (by virtue of it being part of the Des Moines Statistical area) as well as population density.
 
2013-04-24 11:56:01 AM

stonicus: 31 jobs?  $18,000,000 in tax exemptions to create 31 jobs?  That's $580,645.16 per job.


Keep in mind it is for the project, so in theory it means more than just the data center itself.  If they did it right, the tax breaks mostly target things like multiple ISP lines and power grid upgrades that will make the area attractive to other companies as a data center option, with Facebook just being the first of many.
 
2013-04-24 12:02:51 PM

solaufein: Know how I know you've never been to Altoona or Des Moines?  Implying Iowa is only farms.  FTFA the other option was Kearney, NE.  Population total goes to Altoona (by virtue of it being part of the Des Moines Statistical area) as well as population density.


Being from Nebraska, I heard about the bidding war for the data center in Kearney. A lot of people were excited about it, but evidently they lost the bid. It would have been a good spot for it, from a personnel standpoint. University of Nebraska has a campus there, and a lot of people are enrolled in Computer Science courses.

Looks like Iowa gave them a hell of a lot of tax exemptions, though. NE is too conservative to do that.

Google has a huge data center in Council Bluffs, IA as well. IA seems to be willing to bend over backwards to get tech companies to come to the state. Imagine it from the standpoint of these silicon valley companies. They can stay in CA, and pay millions in salaries so their employees can afford their homes, or move to Iowa, pay half the salary, and their employees get an even bigger McMansion for 300K. Google has been a huge boon to Council Bluffs. I grew up there, and it was always a cesspool, especially after the casinos moved in. No good restaurants or shopping or anything like that... we'd have to go over the river to Omaha for that. Then Google came in, and now there are tons of restaurants, night clubs, IMAX theaters, shopping centers, etc.
 
2013-04-24 12:09:00 PM
Des Moinse seems to be working pretty hard at the "Mid-West Silicon Valley" thing.  Off the top of my head there's the Dwolla and Tikly.
 
2013-04-24 12:16:13 PM
Skip Conkling would be a great Nascar driver name.
 
2013-04-24 12:17:49 PM

stonicus: 31 jobs?  $18,000,000 in tax exemptions to create 31 jobs?  That's $580,645.16 per job.


Not sure if trolling, but a building that big would employ at least 20 trades for extended periods of time. That's at least 10 people per trade.
 
2013-04-24 12:24:12 PM

dchurch0: Being from Nebraska, I heard about the bidding war for the data center in Kearney. A lot of people were excited about it, but evidently they lost the bid. It would have been a good spot for it, from a personnel standpoint. University of Nebraska has a campus there, and a lot of people are enrolled in Computer Science courses.


Data Centers generally employ security guards and people who can run cable and occasionally check for ember lights on servers.  Not people who actually know anything about computers.  Those people are either on the east or west costs, wear hoodies, and drink latte while coding from their cube.
 
2013-04-24 12:36:02 PM

stonicus: 31 jobs?  $18,000,000 in tax exemptions to create 31 jobs?  That's $580,645.16 per job.


I'll bet Facebook's employment number floats up and down at least 31 jobs per day out here in SF, so yeah, I'm confident they're quite pleased with the ass-raping they gave Iowa.
 
2013-04-24 12:36:50 PM

stonicus: 31 jobs?  $18,000,000 in tax exemptions to create 31 jobs?  That's $580,645.16 per job.


The breaks are over 20 years, and it guarantees a minimum salary of 20something dollars an hour for the jobs created.

Not to mention the construction jobs when you build the joint, and the fact that the land isn't generating any real tax revenue as is.

It isn't like the city wrote a check for 18 million and said, "here, come give us jobs".
 
2013-04-24 12:42:12 PM

gingerjet: dchurch0: Being from Nebraska, I heard about the bidding war for the data center in Kearney. A lot of people were excited about it, but evidently they lost the bid. It would have been a good spot for it, from a personnel standpoint. University of Nebraska has a campus there, and a lot of people are enrolled in Computer Science courses.

Data Centers generally employ security guards and people who can run cable and occasionally check for ember lights on servers.  Not people who actually know anything about computers.  Those people are either on the east or west costs, wear hoodies, and drink latte while coding from their cube.


If you tried you could be more wrong, but you would need to try pretty hard.
 
2013-04-24 12:53:02 PM
Why would they need a data center... oh wait.

20 years FB won't be around, I wonder if anybody considered that.
 
2013-04-24 12:54:48 PM

LineNoise: stonicus: 31 jobs?  $18,000,000 in tax exemptions to create 31 jobs?  That's $580,645.16 per job.

The breaks are over 20 years, and it guarantees a minimum salary of 20something dollars an hour for the jobs created.

Not to mention the construction jobs when you build the joint, and the fact that the land isn't generating any real tax revenue as is.

It isn't like the city wrote a check for 18 million and said, "here, come give us jobs".


Exactly. And I haven't examined the deal, but I assume the tax break is on property taxes only. So all the power they'll be buying along with a host of other services probably sub contracted (security, cleaning, inspections, etc.) will be taxed.
 
2013-04-24 12:58:14 PM

gingerjet: dchurch0: Being from Nebraska, I heard about the bidding war for the data center in Kearney. A lot of people were excited about it, but evidently they lost the bid. It would have been a good spot for it, from a personnel standpoint. University of Nebraska has a campus there, and a lot of people are enrolled in Computer Science courses.

Data Centers generally employ security guards and people who can run cable and occasionally check for ember lights on servers.  Not people who actually know anything about computers.  Those people are either on the east or west costs, wear hoodies, and drink latte while coding from their cube.


You need one guy who knows how to replace hardware and configure a OS so people can remote in, that's the extent of technical knowledge any data center needs.  The smartest guy there is likely the guy who knows how to take the backup generators and HVAC units apart and repair them.
 
2013-04-24 01:06:12 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why would they need a data center... oh wait.

20 years FB won't be around, I wonder if anybody considered that.


They get re-used.  A lot of computer infrastructure, even today is housed in buildings that were built in the 1920s to house Strowger Switches.
 
2013-04-24 01:18:58 PM
Just find an old aggregate mine in KC and stick the data center in there.
 
2013-04-24 04:02:43 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why would they need a data center... oh wait.

20 years FB won't be around, I wonder if anybody considered that.


20 is really generous.  Last night, I thought of someone I hadn't seen since college.  I think I found her on FB, so I try to send her a message.  I get the response, "To send this to the regular inbox is $1.  Otherwise mail will be delivered to the "other" folder."

So Zuckerberg's big plan is to start charging people for the basic service (the one that built FB), while filling the newsfeed with "Your friend Bob likes Brand X.  Click here to like Brand X"?  I've heard the next big idea is to let people pay to have their ads/narcissistic bullshiat stay at the top of the feed.

Jesus, I with the next FB would just get here already.
 
2013-04-24 06:01:44 PM
applause dot gif, Subby
 
2013-04-24 06:35:46 PM

born_yesterday: Jesus, I with the next FB would just get here already.


Maybe?

http://www.facespace.com/

/one thing for sure, it isn't going to be Google+
 
2013-04-24 06:37:59 PM

solaufein: Des Moinse seems to be working pretty hard at the "Mid-West Silicon Valley" thing.  Off the top of my head there's the Dwolla and Tikly.


If you include the rest of Iowa, GoDaddy is over in Hiawatha (Within smelling distance of Cedar Rapids).
 
2013-04-24 07:54:56 PM

TommyDeuce: solaufein: Des Moinse seems to be working pretty hard at the "Mid-West Silicon Valley" thing.  Off the top of my head there's the Dwolla and Tikly.

If you include the rest of Iowa, GoDaddy is over in Hiawatha (Within smelling distance of Cedar Rapids).


We've got the whole Wind Energy thing going for us too. This bodes well for the state... considering the weight that degrees from Iowa State and University of Iowa still carry today, we've been hemorrhaging too many graduates.

I'm certainly willing to forego the tax revenue for awhile if it gives kids a reason to stay. Which, in turn, will breathe new life in our public education... which isn't nearly up to the standards it used to be.
 
2013-04-24 08:39:21 PM

Cluckity: LineNoise: stonicus: 31 jobs?  $18,000,000 in tax exemptions to create 31 jobs?  That's $580,645.16 per job.

The breaks are over 20 years, and it guarantees a minimum salary of 20something dollars an hour for the jobs created.

Not to mention the construction jobs when you build the joint, and the fact that the land isn't generating any real tax revenue as is.

It isn't like the city wrote a check for 18 million and said, "here, come give us jobs".

Exactly. And I haven't examined the deal, but I assume the tax break is on property taxes only. So all the power they'll be buying along with a host of other services probably sub contracted (security, cleaning, inspections, etc.) will be taxed.


It's $18 million in incentives plus a 20-year property tax abatement from Altoona (have no idea how property taxes work in Iowa). This is a net loser for the state/city unless they can attract more data centers without the freebies (not likely).
 
rka
2013-04-24 10:34:25 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why would they need a data center... oh wait.

20 years FB won't be around, I wonder if anybody considered that.


In 5 everything in that data center may obsolete anyways.
 
2013-04-25 01:09:24 AM
FTFA: "This is a glorious day in Altoona. It's no secret any more folks," said Mayor Skip Conkling.

Skip sure is going to be disappointed when Facebook brings in all those H-1Bs from India to work at that data center.
 
2013-04-25 02:42:36 AM

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "This is a glorious day in Altoona. It's no secret any more folks," said Mayor Skip Conkling.

Skip sure is going to be disappointed when Facebook brings in all those H-1Bs from India to work at that data center.


Well yeah. You don't win at Farmville by doing everything yourself. You have to build a pyramid scheme of other people's labor.
 
2013-04-25 05:48:33 AM

born_yesterday: 20 is really generous.  Last night, I thought of someone I hadn't seen since college.  I think I found her on FB, so I try to send her a message.  I get the response, "To send this to the regular inbox is $1.  Otherwise mail will be delivered to the "other" folder."

So Zuckerberg's big plan is to start charging people for the basic service (the one that built FB), while filling the newsfeed with "Your friend Bob likes Brand X.  Click here to like Brand X"?  I've heard the next big idea is to let people pay to have their ads/narcissistic bullshiat stay at the top of the feed.


So, the first thing you do is to send someone a message saying "by the way, my real email address is b­orn_­y­e­ste­rday[nospam-﹫-backwards]sres­u­kra­f­*com". That's what happened with Friends Reunited. You had to pay £5/month membership to mail people. So people signed up, mailed everyone with their real address and then got the fark out.

This stuff is all highly transient. I just heard about whatsapp and it's got an estimated 200m users. No ads, just a tiny annual fee and does what most people want Facebook to do. How much do you have to do to sign up on Whatsapp and add all your friends? Give it 12, 18 months, it could destroy Facebook.
 
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