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(Washington Post)   Polls in the wake of that resounding gun bill defeat proves that the "90 percent of Americans want this" line being thrown around by gun grabbers was the sort of made-up fiction that the NRA can only dream of creating on their own   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 191
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2013-04-24 08:46:36 AM
"resounding defeat"? A majority of senators voting in favor of the bill, but not enough to break an abusive filibuster threat is a "resounding defeat"? What color is the sky in your world, subby?
 
2013-04-24 09:04:08 AM
Or you could  RTFA, where it says that people treated the bill as a proxy for the entire gun control movement, and weren't responding to the question as if it was only about the background check issue (which you disingenuously equate with the entire bill).
 
2013-04-24 09:09:04 AM
The NRA is doing their part to make sure felons can buy guns. Also (see separate thread), suspected people on the terrorist watchlist are not having their right to buy guns infringed either, even if they're not U.S. citizens.

Voting is obviously more of a threat to this country than foreign terrorists, if you use GOP legislation as a guide.
 
2013-04-24 09:23:35 AM
Did you see the ass on expanded background checks on guns?
 
2013-04-24 09:25:58 AM

vudutek: The NRA is doing their part to make sure felons can buy guns. Also (see separate thread), suspected people on the terrorist watchlist are not having their right to buy guns infringed either, even if they're not U.S. citizens.

Voting is obviously more of a threat to this country than foreign terrorists, if you use GOP legislation as a guide.


Well, in all fairness, people might vote for Republicans which is far more dangerous than some nutjob with a gun.
 
2013-04-24 09:26:15 AM

czetie: "resounding defeat"? A majority of senators voting in favor of the bill, but not enough to break an abusive filibuster threat is a "resounding defeat"? What color is the sky in your world, subby?


Glad I'm not the only one who thought this upon reading the headline.
 
2013-04-24 09:37:05 AM

czetie: "resounding defeat"? A majority of senators voting in favor of the bill, but not enough to break an abusive filibuster threat is a "resounding defeat"? What color is the sky in your world, subby?


The same color the sky is in the world where you can find a poll to say anything you want it to.

/Not subby
 
2013-04-24 09:56:22 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: vudutek: The NRA is doing their part to make sure felons can buy guns. Also (see separate thread), suspected people on the terrorist watchlist are not having their right to buy guns infringed either, even if they're not U.S. citizens.

Voting is obviously more of a threat to this country than foreign terrorists, if you use GOP legislation as a guide.

Well, in all fairness, people might vote for Republicans which is far more dangerous than some nutjob with a gun.


Truth
 
2013-04-24 10:07:41 AM
So 47percent is the new 90 percent

No surprise coming from the left and the lsm

Repeat a lie often enough...
 
2013-04-24 10:09:13 AM
The media loves outrage.....fake or otherwise.
 
2013-04-24 10:09:55 AM
Um, the 90% thing is fact.  Well, between 80 and 95% for the measures we're talking about specifically, re: background checks.  Background check loophole closing even tops 80% in Fox news polls:

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

This just shows that we're not terribly broken up about it, which is unsurprising given that no one in their right mind expects our government to actually accomplish a goddamned thing ever the last few congresses.
 
2013-04-24 10:10:08 AM
I can see getting these results in the days following the Boston Bombing.

Especially if the poll used landlines.
 
2013-04-24 10:10:18 AM

czetie: "resounding defeat"? A majority of senators voting in favor of the bill, but not enough to break an abusive filibuster threat is a "resounding defeat"? What color is the sky in your world, subby?


Yes. If they believed in it they would have called the filibuster threat

This was nothing but political theater.
 
2013-04-24 10:11:36 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: So 47percent is the new 90 percent

No surprise coming from the left and the lsm

Repeat a lie often enough...


I'm pretty sure 47% is just 47%, regardless of whose math one uses. And what is "the Ism?" Is that like trollism, because your post certainly was.
 
2013-04-24 10:11:38 AM
These gun grabbers, firearm filchers, rifle reachers, shotgun seizers, and sidearm stealers will stop at nothing!

It's a slippery slope.  After they grab your guns, they'll nab your knives, detain your daggers, commandeer your katanas,  and rape your rights to your rapier!
 
2013-04-24 10:11:41 AM
Did I have a stroke, or can subby not construct a proper English sentence?

/I know they're not mutually exclusive
 
2013-04-24 10:11:44 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: So 47percent is the new 90 percent

No surprise coming from the left and the lsm

Repeat a lie often enough...


...and you'll turn into a republican
 
2013-04-24 10:12:01 AM
Heh, heh, "gun grabbers." That's one of the most ridiculous terms to surface in this whole "debate." I'm assuming it was created by the NRA (motto: "Please point us to the nearest gun manufacturer's cock so we can suck it.").
 
2013-04-24 10:12:32 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: So 47percent is the new 90 percent

No surprise coming from the left and the lsm

Repeat a lie often enough...


"Do you support this measure [outline of proposed legislation]" and "Are you angry that the federal government didn't grab everyone's guns" are significantly different questions, and if you look at TFA you'll note that they're asking the latter.

Pretty stupid survey that doesn't really have any policy impact, just more useless spin bullshiat.
 
2013-04-24 10:12:42 AM
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You couldn't get 90% of Americans to agree on free cake and ice cream.

But keep farking that chicken.
 
2013-04-24 10:12:59 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: So 47percent is the new 90 percent

No surprise coming from the left and the lsm

Repeat a lie often enough...


Oh, THANK GOD you showed up in the thread!
I was worried there'd be no derp today!
/whew
 
2013-04-24 10:14:15 AM
If you can't get legislation passed on something 90% of the people agree on, it's a resounding defeat.

The problem Obama has is that no one trusts him.  The issue becomes a larger referendum, because when it comes to personal freedoms, everyone knows once he gets his foot in the door, he's going to keep pushing until his ass is in your recliner, asking where the remote control is.
 
2013-04-24 10:14:28 AM
Love the conclusion: "Most people simply weren't really listening to the argument President Obama was trying to make."


People should just stop listening to politicians in general; we'd all be better off.
 
2013-04-24 10:14:37 AM
The "American Public" may not be pissed, but I'm furious.  I'm mad as hell that the congress can't do ANYTHING  if there is enough MONEY stacked against it.  MONEY not lobbying, not petitions, not even that many votes, but MONEY.  MONEY can apparently buy anything now.  Democracy is done.  fark you Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas. Hope you all rot in hell.
 
2013-04-24 10:16:15 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Heh, heh, "gun grabbers." That's one of the most ridiculous terms to surface in this whole "debate." I'm assuming it was created by the NRA (motto: "Please point us to the nearest gun manufacturer's cock so we can suck it.").


It's appropriate to idiots like Feinstein, who actually want to restrict legitimate, non-criminal citizens from accessing formerly legal items for non-criminal purposes, and want to confiscate existing property.

It's just not appropriate when talking about the recent proposed legislation, which only affects the ability of criminals to access property it's already illegal for them to possess.

Basically, gun-grabbers are an actual political faction, they're just not involved in the most recent stab at gun control.
 
2013-04-24 10:16:38 AM
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2013-04-24 10:16:46 AM
The thing I find fascinating about this is that, almost to a one, the people most vehemently against a requirement to show ID when buying a gun at a gun show are the same people who are strongly for requiring ID cards, background checks, etc for voting.  And vice-versa.

Personally, I'm okay in theory on voter ID, but would rather that it were free, standardized, and politicians didn't play games like closing DMVs in urban areas.  And I'm okay, like a vast majority of Americans, with ID/background checks on all weapons transactions.  If I have to for farking Sudafed...
 
2013-04-24 10:17:48 AM

Jim_Callahan: Um, the 90% thing is fact.  Well, between 80 and 95% for the measures we're talking about specifically, re: background checks.  Background check loophole closing even tops 80% in Fox news polls:


Well, the message should be clear, then. Had the bill simply addressed areas where support was high, it would have passed. As it was, my fellow Democrats couldn't resist loading it down with enough poison pills so it couldn't pass, and now we have nothing.
 
2013-04-24 10:18:09 AM

elvindeath: The problem Obama has is that no one trusts him


The vote "failed" in the Senate, 54 - 46.  This isn't Obama's problem.  This is OUR problem.
 
2013-04-24 10:18:25 AM

vudutek: The NRA is doing their part to make sure felons can buy guns. Also (see separate thread), suspected people on the terrorist watchlist are not having their right to buy guns infringed either, even if they're not U.S. citizens.

Voting is obviously more of a threat to this country than foreign terrorists, if you use GOP legislation as a guide.


Being on the watch list doesn't mean that you're a terrorist or even suspected of being a terrorist.
 
2013-04-24 10:18:38 AM
So, basically, almost everybody wanted it to happen, but most people didn't care enough to actually make it happen. Shocking.

USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-04-24 10:19:25 AM
"Made up fiction"

As opposed to all those other kinds
 
2013-04-24 10:19:44 AM

The Smails Kid: [you-don't-say.jpg]

You couldn't get 90% of Americans to agree on free cake and ice cream.

But keep farking that chicken.


That's because the cake is often times a lie.
 
2013-04-24 10:19:55 AM

elvindeath: If you can't get legislation passed on something 90% of the people agree on, it's a resounding defeat.

The problem Obama has is that no one trusts him he's blah.  The issue becomes a larger referendum, because when it comes to personal freedoms, everyone knows once he gets his blah foot in the door, he's going to keep pushing until his blah ass is in your recliner, asking where the remote control is white women at.


/FTFY
//This is what Republicans actually believe
 
2013-04-24 10:20:34 AM
I don't care either way but is seems like a waste of time, money and effort to pass laws that, if they had existed at the time of the tragedies, would have made no difference.
Push healthcare. That will matter.
 
2013-04-24 10:21:10 AM

Stone Meadow: Jim_Callahan: Um, the 90% thing is fact.  Well, between 80 and 95% for the measures we're talking about specifically, re: background checks.  Background check loophole closing even tops 80% in Fox news polls:

Well, the message should be clear, then. Had the bill simply addressed areas where support was high, it would have passed. As it was, my fellow Democrats couldn't resist loading it down with enough poison pills so it couldn't pass, and now we have nothing.


Funny, that.  I wonder if they'll go to their constituents now and claim, "Well, we tried, but those pesky Republicans want someone to shoot your children".

/See also: every abortion-banning bill the Republicans "try" to get passed that doesn't account for the mother's health
 
2013-04-24 10:22:31 AM
I think the only thing you could get a 90% on would be building a fence along our southern border.
 
2013-04-24 10:22:40 AM

Lawnchair: The thing I find fascinating about this is that, almost to a one, the people most vehemently against a requirement to show ID when buying a gun at a gun show are the same people who are strongly for requiring ID cards, background checks, etc for voting.  And vice-versa.

Personally, I'm okay in theory on voter ID, but would rather that it were free, standardized, and politicians didn't play games like closing DMVs in urban areas.  And I'm okay, like a vast majority of Americans, with ID/background checks on all weapons transactions.  If I have to for farking Sudafed...


The right to keep and bear decongestants shall not be infringed, amirite?
 
2013-04-24 10:23:01 AM

plewis: The "American Public" may not be pissed, but I'm furious.  I'm mad as hell that the congress can't do ANYTHING  if there is enough MONEY stacked against it.  MONEY not lobbying, not petitions, not even that many votes, but MONEY.  MONEY can apparently buy anything now.  Democracy is done.  fark you Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas. Hope you all rot in hell.


I agree with the sentiment, but I don't let the Left off the hook either.
 
2013-04-24 10:23:13 AM

Jim_Callahan: This just shows that we're not terribly broken up about it, which is unsurprising given that no one in their right mind expects our government to actually accomplish a goddamned thing ever the last few congresses.


This bears repeating.  The NRA and their backers have gone out of their way to paint anyone who vaguely supports gun control in any form as some absolutist zealot.  There's more than a bit of projection there, but it actually makes sense:  They're so obsessed with the gun issue that they can't conceive of anyone who has an opinion on it as NOT being just as obsessed.  Meanwhile, back in reality, however, the vast majority of the people who support background checks and other forms of gun control (and in fairness, most of those opposed, just not the NRA and its loyal nutcases) have a viewpoint and opinion, but it's not necessarily the end-all-be-all of their issues.  People pick their battles every day, they decide which issues they care enough to be outraged over and which issues they don't.  Gun control is in the latter camp for most rational people:  They have an opinion one way or the other, but that doesn't mean they feel compelled to storm the capitol if they don't get their way.
 
2013-04-24 10:23:17 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: So 47percent is the new 90 percent

No surprise coming from the left and the lsm

Repeat a lie often enough...


www.rawstory.com

/only douchebag who probably agrees with you btw
 
2013-04-24 10:24:01 AM
Let it all out losers.  The country is moving in a pro-freedom direction.  You anti-gun assholes can sit it out with the anti-abortion farks and anti-gay marriage dickwads.
 
2013-04-24 10:24:34 AM

Jim_Callahan: Um, the 90% thing is fact.  Well, between 80 and 95% for the measures we're talking about specifically, re: background checks.  Background check loophole closing even tops 80% in Fox news polls:

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

This just shows that we're not terribly broken up about it, which is unsurprising given that no one in their right mind expects our government to actually accomplish a goddamned thing ever the last few congresses.


I'm not for forcing private citizens into the background check buisness or for putting an undue financial burden on them (25-50 dollars per background check through an ffl) the option is there if you are selling a gun right now and some sketchy john holmes looking mofo shows up I'd put him through nics (thats the background check system) the problem is that holmes lanza cho jared and just about every other mass shooter passed a background check.

Which brings me to my point that background checks are almost pointless. Smoke pot? Can't buy a gun. Lied on the form about smoking pot? thats 5-10 and a gun related felony if you're caught. How many people know a stoner? how many stoners get violent (barring someone eating all the cheetos)?

The way politicians construct laws excludes almost any chance of common sense getting in the way of someones "vision" of how a process should work. Notice I said process because they don't really care about the result they care about the process looking like it might work. When the TSA does this we call it security theater. When corporations do it we call it a dog and pony show. When Congress does it they call it "doing something". No matter what you call it it's the same thing an illusion of effectiveness when you could have taken a little more time and actualy come up with a results driven solution. Yeah it takes a while yeah it's "hard" but what else are you paid to do?
 
2013-04-24 10:24:38 AM
Gun Control is a loser at the polls, regardless our rights were made to withstand mob rule... Which is why we are a Republic, not a Democracy.


"The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions."~Daniel Webster
 
2013-04-24 10:24:52 AM
I savor the butthurt in this thread like the finest single malt.
 
2013-04-24 10:25:34 AM

czetie: "resounding defeat"? A majority of senators voting in favor of the bill, but not enough to break an abusive filibuster threat is a "resounding defeat"? What color is the sky in your world, subby?


Well, considering all the teeth of the bill were removed before it even got to a vote, yeah, it was a smackdown. What was left of the bill was so lukewarm and tepid, i doubt the NRA would have care if it had passed, and STILL it couldnt get passed.
 
2013-04-24 10:25:47 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: Let it all out losers.  The country is moving in a pro-freedom direction.  You anti-gun assholes can sit it out with the anti-abortion farks and anti-gay marriage dickwads.


I'm curious which posts you are referring to that you find unreasonable.  Could you please quote them?
 
2013-04-24 10:27:18 AM
Republican Ville...

Where you need ID to vote but not to buy an assault rifle.  They turn the crazy up to 11 and don't even notice.
 
2013-04-24 10:27:23 AM
Gun grabbers? Really? Subby can hug it.
 
2013-04-24 10:32:23 AM

plewis: The "American Public" may not be pissed, but I'm furious.  I'm mad as hell that the congress can't do ANYTHING  if there is enough MONEY stacked against it.  MONEY not lobbying, not petitions, not even that many votes, but MONEY.  MONEY can apparently buy anything now.  Democracy is done.  fark you Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas. Hope you all rot in hell.


Finally had an epiphany after all these years?  It has been and always will be about money.
 
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