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(CNN)   Women shot at by LAPD during Dorner manhunt, and then offered a replacement pickup truck in compensation, get to split a $4.2 million settlement   (cnn.com) divider line 31
    More: Followup, Christopher Dorner, LAPD, Los Angeles City Council, Margie Carranza  
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2013-04-24 09:25:40 AM
13 votes:
I would feel better about that if it was in some way inconveniencing the officers who shot her instead of the taxpayers.
2013-04-24 09:42:32 AM
8 votes:
Boston cops managed to get their men without shooting any civilians.  Huh.
2013-04-24 09:45:37 AM
4 votes:

Alonjar: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

KatjaMouse: If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.

You guys are delusional.  They just got handed over FOURTY YEARS worth of wages.  They dont ever have to work another day in their lives if they maintain their current life style.

/Its just government funds, its not like its real money or anything, right?


I'd rather not get shot at. You act as though they hit some sort of lottery, while neither died...I'd be shocked if one or both didn't have ongoing pain or medical problems related to this. Not to mention the trauma of getting shot the fark up like that by the cops.

Yeah, that sure as shiat would not be worth a lousy 2.2 mil to me, especially when you consider what's left AFTER doctor's bills and attorney's fees and taxes, and other expenses.
2013-04-24 09:41:13 AM
4 votes:
For the life of me, I can't come up with a good reason why those idiot cops shouldn't be facing some charges.  Wrong truck, wrong color, wrong number of occupants, wrong sex...are those kind of stupid mistakes actually covered by limited police liability laws?
2013-04-24 09:57:08 AM
3 votes:

d23: The Boston Police deserve a lot of credit here.


First, it wasn't the Boston police.  It was every LEO at every level in the State of Massholechusetts and beyond.

Second, this bombing was (a) amateurish, and (b) only the first one.  Now that the LEO community responded to this homemade glorified firecracker by rolling out EVERY SINGLE COP in a 100-mile radius, shutting down a major city for 36 hours, and conducting a door-to-door search (that yielded precisely zero, considering the suspect had already slipped the perimeter, after he slipped an 80-car shooting scene) ...

how are they going to respond to the next one?

Do the same thing?  Will the government really pay 8,000 LEOs their union-mandated triple time and hazardous duty pay every time a pressure cooker asplodes?  Shut down an entire urban economy for 2 days?  Three?  A week?

This response was all about making a Show of Force.  Great.  They caught a wounded teenager who had to rob a 7-Eleven to get pocket money.

The next Show of Force will be especially entertaining.  And twice as expensive.  I'll be disappointed if it doesn't at least involve a parade of armored vehicles and stormtroopers.
2013-04-24 09:50:16 AM
3 votes:
I need to be less critical of hollywood when characters shoot and shoot and shoot and hit nothing. That truck has a Bonnie and Clyde level of bullet holes in it and only 2 hit a passenger?
2013-04-24 09:25:23 AM
3 votes:
Did they shoot them again and seize the settlement money as "drug" money?
2013-04-24 01:10:03 PM
2 votes:
You f*cking SHOT ME and my f*cking TRUCK full of HOLES?
$4.2 million would be the first DOWN PAYMENT.
2013-04-24 09:48:54 AM
2 votes:

alexcassidy: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

They were furious when they found out they would receive a 1099 for the replacement truck, which (while philosophically justified) makes me think they aren't that familiar with the ins and outs of the law. Or maybe they just wanted to put it behind them.


I'd be furious as well.  You just put 100 rounds through my only method of transportation, permanently disabling it, and instead of making me whole (for the truck aspect of things), you hand me a new truck with a $5,000 or however much bill attached to it.  I'm not paying for you to shoot me.

As far as the settlement goes, I can see the grandma attorney's point of view.  His client is 71 years old, how long could she possibly have lasted winding this through the legal system?  If I was the daughter though, I'd sever her case from her mothers and take that shiat all the way to trial.
2013-04-25 07:47:33 AM
1 votes:

Basily Gourt: Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.

Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.


It CAN work that way...flip side, you get a case that ISN'T front page news nationwide, the county/city/whatever doesn't want to settle, and you spend ten YEARS working on it, to settle for half that amount the day before trial; meanwhile your clients are living in a trailer on disability...

From the government's point of view, they may feel they got off cheap; a jury COULD have awarded tens of millions at the end of the day.  Or, or course...nothing.  I mean, the cops wouldn't have shot them for no reason, right?

/yes, it's kind of a crapshoot
2013-04-24 02:01:59 PM
1 votes:
So basically.... Dorner was right!

He was fired after complaining about excessive force in the LAPD.   This incident simply proves he was right,   Did they need to shut him up for some reason?
2013-04-24 01:47:52 PM
1 votes:
Thankfully the police have a nice union to protect them from being disciplined.
2013-04-24 11:53:23 AM
1 votes:

Katolu: Phinn: d23: The Boston Police deserve a lot of credit here.

First, it wasn't the Boston police.  It was every LEO at every level in the State of Massholechusetts and beyond.

Second, this bombing was (a) amateurish, and (b) only the first one.  Now that the LEO community responded to this homemade glorified firecracker by rolling out EVERY SINGLE COP in a 100-mile radius, shutting down a major city for 36 hours, and conducting a door-to-door search (that yielded precisely zero, considering the suspect had already slipped the perimeter, after he slipped an 80-car shooting scene) ...

how are they going to respond to the next one?

Do the same thing?  Will the government really pay 8,000 LEOs their union-mandated triple time and hazardous duty pay every time a pressure cooker asplodes?  Shut down an entire urban economy for 2 days?  Three?  A week?

This response was all about making a Show of Force.  Great.  They caught a wounded teenager who had to rob a 7-Eleven to get pocket money.

The next Show of Force will be especially entertaining.  And twice as expensive.  I'll be disappointed if it doesn't at least involve a parade of armored vehicles and stormtroopers.

8/10. Not enough outrage.


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I don't go in for outrage. It's bad for the skin.

But, look, tell me exactly how my prediction of Escalating Militarized Responses is off-base.  Consider the following scenario:

1. Some other deranged loser decides to make an even bigger homemade pressure cooker bomb.  If you hadn't noticed, the supply of deranged losers is effectively infinite.

2. Boom + lots of TV cameras.

3.  The city government where this occurs (oh, let's say it's .... Los Angeles, just for fun) feels the need to respond.  The magnitude of this bomb is equal to or greater than the Boston Marathon one.  Like Boston, the perpetrator is presumed to be alive and on the loose.

4.  The LA government decides to make a more measured response than Boston did, so they make the decision to roll out about 50-75% of the number of stormtroopers that Boston did.  Search door-to-door?  Pffft!  We'll just increase our usual patrols instead.  Put the whole city on lockdown?  No way!  People have yoga classes to attend.

5.  Three or four days go by, and the perpetrator has still not been caught.  However, the citizens of LA and America wait patiently, fully appreciating the measured, reasonable police response to the bombing, despite the lack of apparent progress in the manhunt.

Do you really see that happening?  Please.

The response to the next terror bombing will make the Dorner manhunt look like an episode of Cops.
2013-04-24 10:47:52 AM
1 votes:

Brick-House: I understand in total there were over 100 bullet holes and the women wern't killed.  Someone needs to visit the fireing range.

[www.addictinginfo.org image 500x395]


That damage is a consequence of not banning high-capacity firearm magazines.

/From police officers.
2013-04-24 10:37:17 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: Basily Gourt: Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.

Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.

the women's lawyers.  This kinds of work is usually done on a contingency basis, meaning if you don't win they lawyer doesn't get paid. But if you do win, he gets a percentage of the settlement, typically 25-30%   When you don't have the upfront cash to pay a lawyer their hourly fee, this is the kind of arrangement you typically make.  And while sometimes the lawyer gets a big payday for very little work, those theoretically fund the cases where he puts in tons of work and then loses so doesn;t see dime one.


Yep. The alternative is that poor people don't get legal representation for civil actions. And the insurance lobby would  looooovethat.
2013-04-24 10:27:30 AM
1 votes:

Basily Gourt: Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.

Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.


the women's lawyers.  This kinds of work is usually done on a contingency basis, meaning if you don't win they lawyer doesn't get paid. But if you do win, he gets a percentage of the settlement, typically 25-30%   When you don't have the upfront cash to pay a lawyer their hourly fee, this is the kind of arrangement you typically make.  And while sometimes the lawyer gets a big payday for very little work, those theoretically fund the cases where he puts in tons of work and then loses so doesn;t see dime one.
2013-04-24 09:59:17 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: Alonjar: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

KatjaMouse: If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.

You guys are delusional.  They just got handed over FOURTY YEARS worth of wages.  They dont ever have to work another day in their lives if they maintain their current life style.

/Its just government funds, its not like its real money or anything, right?

You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars? Also, how much did their lawyers get paid? Is it a significant chunk of their settlement? That would be relevant to whether or not they never 'have to work another day in their life.'


I could, easily. Pay off my house, buy some new cars, do a little investing... and I've still got close to 2 million dollars. Of course I live within my means as it is and couldn't care less what "teh Joneses" are doing.  What kind of lifestyle are you living that 2.1 million wouldn't handle?
2013-04-24 09:58:59 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars?


In theory yes. In theory Communism works. In theory.
2013-04-24 09:58:27 AM
1 votes:

MFAWG: How many dollars per round is that?


Well given the cops pumped more than 100 ROUNDS into the vehicle, that works out to about $42,000 per.   Which is reasonable given it was a woman and her 76 YEAR OLD MOTHER and they were only trying to deliver the morning paper when Officer TriggerHappy McGee and his merry companions opened up on them.

What's truly sad is the women will get their money.  The La Taxpayers will foot the bill, and NO ONE involved int he shooting  will be fired or even have so much as a stern glance thrown thier way for their criminally reckless behavior
2013-04-24 09:55:56 AM
1 votes:

hausman007: I need to be less critical of hollywood when characters shoot and shoot and shoot and hit nothing. That truck has a Bonnie and Clyde level of bullet holes in it and only 2 hit a passenger?


That's the result when your pistol instructors are these mercs:

badmouth.net
/no one ever got hit by a bullet on the tv show... except BA... once (if I recall correctly)
2013-04-24 09:55:42 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars? Also, how much did their lawyers get paid? Is it a significant chunk of their settlement? That would be relevant to whether or not they never 'have to work another day in their life.'


They were aged 47 and 71, and they delivered news papers for a living.  According to google, their salary probably ranges from $20k-40k.  That means that 2.1m settlement is the same as their working wages for FIFTY YEARS.  Thats the rest of their lives.

So I dont know, you tell me... can they live off the money that they already live off?

As for the lawyers... if they let the lawyers take a lions share here, then they are retarded.  A highly publicized case where the police already admitted fault and wrongdoing?   You get to negotiate the fee on that one.

/I absolutely could live off $2m, as id just purchase things that earn me income.
2013-04-24 09:55:12 AM
1 votes:
Not to mention the investigating behind how horrible the aim of the officers is.
2013-04-24 09:50:13 AM
1 votes:
Yea, there is no way the city wants to do discovery on that lawsuit.  It wouldn't look good when it comes to light that the "shoot to kill" order came from the very top.
2013-04-24 09:48:17 AM
1 votes:
I understand in total there were over 100 bullet holes and the women wern't killed.  Someone needs to visit the fireing range.

www.addictinginfo.org
2013-04-24 09:46:47 AM
1 votes:

Basily Gourt: They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?


I'd like to see if you could accomplish that.
2013-04-24 09:46:11 AM
1 votes:
Asshole cop fark ups is a line item on budgetary expenditure reports right?
Its not like the taxpayers are gonna get hit with the bill its just gonna take a bit longer for those pottholes to get filled the taxpayers already paid.
2013-04-24 09:43:28 AM
1 votes:
Cheaper than closing down the entire city, so I imagine the LAPD will keep doing things that way.
2013-04-24 09:41:26 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?


KatjaMouse: If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.


You guys are delusional.  They just got handed over FOURTY YEARS worth of wages.  They dont ever have to work another day in their lives if they maintain their current life style.

/Its just government funds, its not like its real money or anything, right?
2013-04-24 09:38:59 AM
1 votes:

GoodOmens: fireclown: namegoeshere: I would feel better about that if it was in some way inconveniencing the officers who shot her instead of the taxpayers.

That is indeed a good example of what is called an agency problem.  Some kind of inconveniencing of the officers, or at least their immediate supervisors might be in order.

Ah - but it's just too easy to throw away tax people's money while doing nothing to actually fix the problem.  I mean who wouldn't want to live in a world where someone else pays for everything and you are not held accountable for anything.  It worked so well for Paris Hilton....


So in essence the cops can continue being shiatbags.  Awesome!!
2013-04-24 09:27:52 AM
1 votes:
This is what responsible gun owners do.  Shoot first, pay settlements later.
2013-04-24 09:27:49 AM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: I would feel better about that if it was in some way inconveniencing the officers who shot her instead of the taxpayers.


That is indeed a good example of what is called an agency problem.  Some kind of inconveniencing of the officers, or at least their immediate supervisors might be in order.
 
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