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(CNN)   Women shot at by LAPD during Dorner manhunt, and then offered a replacement pickup truck in compensation, get to split a $4.2 million settlement   (cnn.com) divider line 86
    More: Followup, Christopher Dorner, LAPD, Los Angeles City Council, Margie Carranza  
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2013-04-24 10:00:35 AM

Lady Indica: Alonjar: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

KatjaMouse: If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.

You guys are delusional.  They just got handed over FOURTY YEARS worth of wages.  They dont ever have to work another day in their lives if they maintain their current life style.

/Its just government funds, its not like its real money or anything, right?

I'd rather not get shot at. You act as though they hit some sort of lottery, while neither died...I'd be shocked if one or both didn't have ongoing pain or medical problems related to this. Not to mention the trauma of getting shot the fark up like that by the cops.

Yeah, that sure as shiat would not be worth a lousy 2.2 mil to me, especially when you consider what's left AFTER doctor's bills and attorney's fees and taxes, and other expenses.


With even one million dollars I could eliminate any debts I owe, support my family while maintaining my current lifestyle, create a financial plan that would actually allow me to increase the amount of cash I have each year and never work another day in my life. I don't see why everyone thinks that part is so mystifying. This ain't black magic. If it's a cost of living thing, well, move.

As for the actual amount paid - totally inadequate. I get why the older woman would not want to tie herself up in litigation until they say she died but 4 million dollars is a ridiculous settlement for what happened. I'd say more than 10 but less than 20 million would be more appropriate, but I admit I'm just making those numbers up because it sound nice. I doubt a lawyer would have any trouble making a compelling argument for it, though.

Long story short, ladies got more than enough money if it's just money but not nearly enough money if it's compensation for the wrong perpetrated upon them.
 
2013-04-24 10:01:02 AM

Basily Gourt: Phinn: Basily Gourt: They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

I'd like to see if you could accomplish that.

You're kidding, right? I think a form letter off of a DIY legal forms website could accomplish pretty much the same thing in a slam-dunk case like this.

If that doesn't work, then you get a lawyer. A cheap one.


Next time you write a DIY demand letter that yields a multimillion dollar payout, let us know.
 
2013-04-24 10:01:04 AM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: What kind of lifestyle are you living that 2.1 million wouldn't handle?


I have a miniature giraffe and gold coated furniture.
 
2013-04-24 10:01:41 AM

hausman007: I need to be less critical of hollywood when characters shoot and shoot and shoot and hit nothing. That truck has a Bonnie and Clyde level of bullet holes in it and only 2 hit a passenger?


The shooting range I go to is regularly visited by cops. It is truly frightening how BAD some of them are at shooting. I mean "lucky if they manage to hit the ground with their brass" bad. (some of them)

It really boggles my mind. If I had a job where my life could depend on my gun skills I would sure as shiat practice like crazy. These guys just show up when it's time to re qualify then practice just enough to squeak by.

CSB Time:

My buddy and I were shooting a 10 inch plate with our revolvers. The plate makes a nice clank sound when you hit it with a 38 special or 357 mag.  A cop shows up with his AR-15 and asks if he can shoot the plate. We were like "Sure! Go for it".  No exaggeration he was hitting it 50% of the time max.

When the cop stops to reload my buddy grabs his S&W 686 revolver  and proceeds to ring the gong 6 out of six off-hand. The cop wouldn't even look at us after that.
 
2013-04-24 10:02:53 AM

graeth: Not to mention the investigating behind how horrible the aim of the officers is.


Assuming the "suspects" ducked down, a cop firing from the rear of the vehicle would have to shoot through several layers of metal. The tailgate is 2 layers, then there is the rear of the cab which is 1 or two layers.
 
2013-04-24 10:03:21 AM

Magorn: MFAWG: How many dollars per round is that?

Well given the cops pumped more than 100 ROUNDS into the vehicle, that works out to about $42,000 per.   Which is reasonable given it was a woman and her 76 YEAR OLD MOTHER and they were only trying to deliver the morning paper when Officer TriggerHappy McGee and his merry companions opened up on them.

What's truly sad is the women will get their money.  The La Taxpayers will foot the bill, and NO ONE involved int he shooting  will be fired or even have so much as a stern glance thrown thier way for their criminally reckless behavior


Wasn't the truck the wrong color too?  I thought I read that the dude's truck was white and not blue...

/could be wrong
 
2013-04-24 10:04:02 AM

Cythraul: Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: What kind of lifestyle are you living that 2.1 million wouldn't handle?

I have a miniature giraffe and gold coated furniture.


No pain?  No pain.
 
2013-04-24 10:09:02 AM

Phinn: Basily Gourt: Phinn: Basily Gourt: They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

I'd like to see if you could accomplish that.

You're kidding, right? I think a form letter off of a DIY legal forms website could accomplish pretty much the same thing in a slam-dunk case like this.

If that doesn't work, then you get a lawyer. A cheap one.

Next time you write a DIY demand letter that yields a multimillion dollar payout, let us know.


I just checked your profile, and I guess this silly shiat is what you do. So never mind.

/You get a little credit for being upfront in your profile about who you are.
 
2013-04-24 10:09:04 AM

Phinn: d23: The Boston Police deserve a lot of credit here.

First, it wasn't the Boston police.  It was every LEO at every level in the State of Massholechusetts and beyond.

Second, this bombing was (a) amateurish, and (b) only the first one.  Now that the LEO community responded to this homemade glorified firecracker by rolling out EVERY SINGLE COP in a 100-mile radius, shutting down a major city for 36 hours, and conducting a door-to-door search (that yielded precisely zero, considering the suspect had already slipped the perimeter, after he slipped an 80-car shooting scene) ...

how are they going to respond to the next one?

Do the same thing?  Will the government really pay 8,000 LEOs their union-mandated triple time and hazardous duty pay every time a pressure cooker asplodes?  Shut down an entire urban economy for 2 days?  Three?  A week?

This response was all about making a Show of Force.  Great.  They caught a wounded teenager who had to rob a 7-Eleven to get pocket money.

The next Show of Force will be especially entertaining.  And twice as expensive.  I'll be disappointed if it doesn't at least involve a parade of armored vehicles and stormtroopers.


8/10. Not enough outrage.
 
2013-04-24 10:09:16 AM

Cythraul: What would you buy that would earn you income?


Well I'm personally a small business owner, so I'd probably just expand my business and buy some other businesses.  If I was a salary worker and I had $2m drop on my lap?  Rental properties.  I'd either buy two or three commercial properties, or id buy a whole mess of residential properties and contract out the management/upkeep.

You'd get a nice monthly income stream, and with $2m in equity you could get any loan in the world you want, so you could even turn it into a business and leverage the equity to acquire more properties etc etc.

Capital sure is a powerful thing in a capitalist society.
 
2013-04-24 10:09:47 AM

Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?


I'm amazed they didnt just farking dissapear into the jail system, or have a "accident".
 
2013-04-24 10:10:52 AM
Now they can take time to work on their true passion

danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-24 10:12:46 AM

A Shambling Mound: until they say she died


What you did there. I see it.
 
2013-04-24 10:20:26 AM
Hernandez was shot twice in the back and Carranza suffered injuries from broken glass, CNN affiliatehas reported.

I'm hoping thats a 90/10 split
 
2013-04-24 10:27:30 AM

Basily Gourt: Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.

Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.


the women's lawyers.  This kinds of work is usually done on a contingency basis, meaning if you don't win they lawyer doesn't get paid. But if you do win, he gets a percentage of the settlement, typically 25-30%   When you don't have the upfront cash to pay a lawyer their hourly fee, this is the kind of arrangement you typically make.  And while sometimes the lawyer gets a big payday for very little work, those theoretically fund the cases where he puts in tons of work and then loses so doesn;t see dime one.
 
2013-04-24 10:37:17 AM

Magorn: Basily Gourt: Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.

Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.

the women's lawyers.  This kinds of work is usually done on a contingency basis, meaning if you don't win they lawyer doesn't get paid. But if you do win, he gets a percentage of the settlement, typically 25-30%   When you don't have the upfront cash to pay a lawyer their hourly fee, this is the kind of arrangement you typically make.  And while sometimes the lawyer gets a big payday for very little work, those theoretically fund the cases where he puts in tons of work and then loses so doesn;t see dime one.


Yep. The alternative is that poor people don't get legal representation for civil actions. And the insurance lobby would  looooovethat.
 
2013-04-24 10:37:55 AM

SpdrJay: I was traumatized by reading this story.

How much money do I get?


I was also tramatized by reading the storry and looking at the pickup truck.
 
2013-04-24 10:40:21 AM

Magorn: Basily Gourt: Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.

Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.

the women's lawyers.  This kinds of work is usually done on a contingency basis, meaning if you don't win they lawyer doesn't get paid. But if you do win, he gets a percentage of the settlement, typically 25-30%   When you don't have the upfront cash to pay a lawyer their hourly fee, this is the kind of arrangement you typically make.  And while sometimes the lawyer gets a big payday for very little work, those theoretically fund the cases where he puts in tons of work and then loses so doesn;t see dime one.


That's true, but the nature of this case in particular, where the guilty party already publicly admitted wrongdoing, you really (as the victim) should have the presence of mind to negotiate this down to something more manageable given the expected size of the settlement, like 10-15%.  That's still 420,000 or 640,000, a considerable chunk of change for a couple of sternly worded letters, and it leaves the victims themselves with at least 500,000 more than they normally would have gotten.  A cool half-mil will fund a lot of losing cases.
 
2013-04-24 10:42:37 AM
Good.
 
2013-04-24 10:45:14 AM

FARK rebel soldier: A Shambling Mound: until they say she died

What you did there. I see it.


And now I do, too. That's pretty funny, wish I could take credit for doing it on purpose.
 
2013-04-24 10:47:52 AM

Brick-House: I understand in total there were over 100 bullet holes and the women wern't killed.  Someone needs to visit the fireing range.

[www.addictinginfo.org image 500x395]


That damage is a consequence of not banning high-capacity firearm magazines.

/From police officers.
 
2013-04-24 10:52:46 AM

Mad Scientist: Boston cops managed to get their men without shooting any civilians.  Huh.


They made a man go nude.

If you have a small penis, that's pretty traumatic. Especially if there were lady cops looking.
 
2013-04-24 11:04:04 AM
On a cheerier note, Christopher Dorner quit smoking yesterday.
 
2013-04-24 11:52:23 AM

Brick-House: I understand in total there were over 100 bullet holes and the women wern't killed.  Someone needs to visit the fireing range.

[www.addictinginfo.org image 500x395]


Jesus, I never actually saw that picture before.

I'm inclined to say that, unless the shooters were brought up on attempted murder charges, Dorner had a point.
 
2013-04-24 11:53:23 AM

Katolu: Phinn: d23: The Boston Police deserve a lot of credit here.

First, it wasn't the Boston police.  It was every LEO at every level in the State of Massholechusetts and beyond.

Second, this bombing was (a) amateurish, and (b) only the first one.  Now that the LEO community responded to this homemade glorified firecracker by rolling out EVERY SINGLE COP in a 100-mile radius, shutting down a major city for 36 hours, and conducting a door-to-door search (that yielded precisely zero, considering the suspect had already slipped the perimeter, after he slipped an 80-car shooting scene) ...

how are they going to respond to the next one?

Do the same thing?  Will the government really pay 8,000 LEOs their union-mandated triple time and hazardous duty pay every time a pressure cooker asplodes?  Shut down an entire urban economy for 2 days?  Three?  A week?

This response was all about making a Show of Force.  Great.  They caught a wounded teenager who had to rob a 7-Eleven to get pocket money.

The next Show of Force will be especially entertaining.  And twice as expensive.  I'll be disappointed if it doesn't at least involve a parade of armored vehicles and stormtroopers.

8/10. Not enough outrage.


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I don't go in for outrage. It's bad for the skin.

But, look, tell me exactly how my prediction of Escalating Militarized Responses is off-base.  Consider the following scenario:

1. Some other deranged loser decides to make an even bigger homemade pressure cooker bomb.  If you hadn't noticed, the supply of deranged losers is effectively infinite.

2. Boom + lots of TV cameras.

3.  The city government where this occurs (oh, let's say it's .... Los Angeles, just for fun) feels the need to respond.  The magnitude of this bomb is equal to or greater than the Boston Marathon one.  Like Boston, the perpetrator is presumed to be alive and on the loose.

4.  The LA government decides to make a more measured response than Boston did, so they make the decision to roll out about 50-75% of the number of stormtroopers that Boston did.  Search door-to-door?  Pffft!  We'll just increase our usual patrols instead.  Put the whole city on lockdown?  No way!  People have yoga classes to attend.

5.  Three or four days go by, and the perpetrator has still not been caught.  However, the citizens of LA and America wait patiently, fully appreciating the measured, reasonable police response to the bombing, despite the lack of apparent progress in the manhunt.

Do you really see that happening?  Please.

The response to the next terror bombing will make the Dorner manhunt look like an episode of Cops.
 
2013-04-24 11:54:52 AM
The proposed LAPD budget for 2012-2013 was $1,255,645,232.  Of which $1.208 billion are salaries.
http://cao.lacity.org/budget12-13/2012-13Budget_Summary.pdf

$1.208 billion dollars, that's what I would have given them.
 
2013-04-24 12:02:40 PM
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Should be able to get a nice new truck.
 
2013-04-24 12:45:44 PM
They should take that money out of the cop's bullet budget.

dryknife: On a cheerier note, Christopher Dorner quit smoking yesterday.

I found that far funnier than it had any right to be
 
2013-04-24 01:10:03 PM
You f*cking SHOT ME and my f*cking TRUCK full of HOLES?
$4.2 million would be the first DOWN PAYMENT.
 
2013-04-24 01:47:52 PM
Thankfully the police have a nice union to protect them from being disciplined.
 
2013-04-24 01:58:42 PM

Cythraul: You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars?


I could, easily. But I'm in my 40s and only about a decade or so away from retirement.
 
2013-04-24 02:01:59 PM
So basically.... Dorner was right!

He was fired after complaining about excessive force in the LAPD.   This incident simply proves he was right,   Did they need to shut him up for some reason?
 
2013-04-24 03:07:52 PM

alexcassidy: They were furious when they found out they would receive a 1099 for the replacement truck, which (while philosophically justified) makes me think they aren't that familiar with the ins and outs of the law. Or maybe they just wanted to put it behind them.


I don't know it all either, but I assume it would be listed as 1099" income at retail. I believe the FEDERAL tax rate for that is over 25%, not to mention CA. So, you're "giving" me a truck that you're making me turn around and pay the government probably 30% retail for. That may be how the law works, but it's pretty stupid. If I get the truck as part of a settlement, then I would think the actual damage should deduct (down to 0) any income incurred by compensation for those damages.

tl;dr: I'd be pissed, too, and for good reason.
 
2013-04-24 07:28:23 PM
Good of the city and its insurance to settle, there's no way they would have escaped a trial with any less than a 10M verdict.
 
2013-04-24 08:29:10 PM

Mad Scientist: Boston cops managed to get their men without shooting any civilians.  Huh.


This a thousand times over
 
2013-04-25 07:47:33 AM

Basily Gourt: Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.

Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.


It CAN work that way...flip side, you get a case that ISN'T front page news nationwide, the county/city/whatever doesn't want to settle, and you spend ten YEARS working on it, to settle for half that amount the day before trial; meanwhile your clients are living in a trailer on disability...

From the government's point of view, they may feel they got off cheap; a jury COULD have awarded tens of millions at the end of the day.  Or, or course...nothing.  I mean, the cops wouldn't have shot them for no reason, right?

/yes, it's kind of a crapshoot
 
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