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(CNN)   Women shot at by LAPD during Dorner manhunt, and then offered a replacement pickup truck in compensation, get to split a $4.2 million settlement   (cnn.com) divider line 86
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2013-04-24 09:02:49 AM  
4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?
 
2013-04-24 09:25:23 AM  
Did they shoot them again and seize the settlement money as "drug" money?
 
2013-04-24 09:25:29 AM  
How many dollars per round is that?
 
2013-04-24 09:25:40 AM  
I would feel better about that if it was in some way inconveniencing the officers who shot her instead of the taxpayers.
 
2013-04-24 09:27:40 AM  

Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?


Exactly.  What's worse is that the lawyers for the defendants made a bunch of statements yesterday saying, "We settled with those ladies very cheap!"  They did so to make a point to their higher-ups that they should approve the settlement with the women, but nonetheless if I was one of those women, I'd be pissed at the implication that I got screwed.  And that I was cheap.
 
2013-04-24 09:27:40 AM  

Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?


They were furious when they found out they would receive a 1099 for the replacement truck, which (while philosophically justified) makes me think they aren't that familiar with the ins and outs of the law. Or maybe they just wanted to put it behind them.
 
2013-04-24 09:27:47 AM  

MFAWG: How many dollars per round is that?


Something like $.02

namegoeshere: I would feel better about that if it was in some way inconveniencing the officers who shot her instead of the taxpayers.


Yeah.
 
2013-04-24 09:27:49 AM  

namegoeshere: I would feel better about that if it was in some way inconveniencing the officers who shot her instead of the taxpayers.


That is indeed a good example of what is called an agency problem.  Some kind of inconveniencing of the officers, or at least their immediate supervisors might be in order.
 
2013-04-24 09:27:52 AM  
This is what responsible gun owners do.  Shoot first, pay settlements later.
 
2013-04-24 09:28:00 AM  

Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?


Nice.
 
2013-04-24 09:28:10 AM  
Aw.  I wanna get shot, too.  Then I wouldn't have to hang out with you losers.

But I probably still would.
 
2013-04-24 09:30:38 AM  

fireclown: namegoeshere: I would feel better about that if it was in some way inconveniencing the officers who shot her instead of the taxpayers.

That is indeed a good example of what is called an agency problem.  Some kind of inconveniencing of the officers, or at least their immediate supervisors might be in order.


Ah - but it's just too easy to throw away tax people's money while doing nothing to actually fix the problem.  I mean who wouldn't want to live in a world where someone else pays for everything and you are not held accountable for anything.  It worked so well for Paris Hilton....
 
2013-04-24 09:30:42 AM  
If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.
 
8zo [TotalFark]
2013-04-24 09:32:08 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Aw.  I wanna get shot, too.  Then I wouldn't have to hang out with you losers.

But I probably still would.


Case law is very clear on this: you would be required to leave FARK and go to REDDIT.
 
2013-04-24 09:32:42 AM  

steverockson: This is what responsible gun owners do.  Shoot first, pay settlements later.


Hey man, it's easier to beg forgiveness than ask for permission.
 
2013-04-24 09:32:51 AM  
Split a $4.2 million settlement... with their lawyers which will leave them enough to buy a hot wheels truck.

/they deserved more
 
2013-04-24 09:33:11 AM  
I was traumatized by reading this story.

How much money do I get?
 
2013-04-24 09:36:46 AM  
Tis but a flesh wound!
 
2013-04-24 09:38:14 AM  
Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.
 
2013-04-24 09:38:59 AM  

GoodOmens: fireclown: namegoeshere: I would feel better about that if it was in some way inconveniencing the officers who shot her instead of the taxpayers.

That is indeed a good example of what is called an agency problem.  Some kind of inconveniencing of the officers, or at least their immediate supervisors might be in order.

Ah - but it's just too easy to throw away tax people's money while doing nothing to actually fix the problem.  I mean who wouldn't want to live in a world where someone else pays for everything and you are not held accountable for anything.  It worked so well for Paris Hilton....


So in essence the cops can continue being shiatbags.  Awesome!!
 
2013-04-24 09:41:13 AM  
For the life of me, I can't come up with a good reason why those idiot cops shouldn't be facing some charges.  Wrong truck, wrong color, wrong number of occupants, wrong sex...are those kind of stupid mistakes actually covered by limited police liability laws?
 
2013-04-24 09:41:26 AM  

Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?


KatjaMouse: If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.


You guys are delusional.  They just got handed over FOURTY YEARS worth of wages.  They dont ever have to work another day in their lives if they maintain their current life style.

/Its just government funds, its not like its real money or anything, right?
 
2013-04-24 09:42:32 AM  
Boston cops managed to get their men without shooting any civilians.  Huh.
 
2013-04-24 09:43:25 AM  

Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.


Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.
 
2013-04-24 09:43:28 AM  
Cheaper than closing down the entire city, so I imagine the LAPD will keep doing things that way.
 
2013-04-24 09:44:17 AM  
Mom gets plugged twice, daughter gets some minor cuts from flying glass and they split the settlement? Cue lawsuit of Mom suing daughter for lions share in 3, 2, 1..........
 
2013-04-24 09:44:46 AM  

alexcassidy: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

They were furious when they found out they would receive a 1099 for the replacement truck, which (while philosophically justified) makes me think they aren't that familiar with the ins and outs of the law. Or maybe they just wanted to put it behind them.


Wouldn't you be too if you had to pay taxes on something that was suppose to replace an item that the police farked up?
 
2013-04-24 09:45:36 AM  

Alonjar: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

KatjaMouse: If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.

You guys are delusional.  They just got handed over FOURTY YEARS worth of wages.  They dont ever have to work another day in their lives if they maintain their current life style.

/Its just government funds, its not like its real money or anything, right?


You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars? Also, how much did their lawyers get paid? Is it a significant chunk of their settlement? That would be relevant to whether or not they never 'have to work another day in their life.'
 
2013-04-24 09:45:37 AM  

Alonjar: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

KatjaMouse: If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.

You guys are delusional.  They just got handed over FOURTY YEARS worth of wages.  They dont ever have to work another day in their lives if they maintain their current life style.

/Its just government funds, its not like its real money or anything, right?


I'd rather not get shot at. You act as though they hit some sort of lottery, while neither died...I'd be shocked if one or both didn't have ongoing pain or medical problems related to this. Not to mention the trauma of getting shot the fark up like that by the cops.

Yeah, that sure as shiat would not be worth a lousy 2.2 mil to me, especially when you consider what's left AFTER doctor's bills and attorney's fees and taxes, and other expenses.
 
2013-04-24 09:46:11 AM  
Asshole cop fark ups is a line item on budgetary expenditure reports right?
Its not like the taxpayers are gonna get hit with the bill its just gonna take a bit longer for those pottholes to get filled the taxpayers already paid.
 
2013-04-24 09:46:47 AM  

Basily Gourt: They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?


I'd like to see if you could accomplish that.
 
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2013-04-24 09:47:24 AM  

Mad Scientist: Boston cops managed to get their men without shooting any civilians.  Huh.


The Boston Police deserve a lot of credit here.  The Mooninite incident was an embarrassment, but it seems to have been a totally honest error.

As someone pointed out (I think on Fark) the incident happened in California and the LAPD was involved several more innocent people would have been killed by cops.  The LAPD is corrupt and for the most part they don't care.
 
2013-04-24 09:48:17 AM  
I understand in total there were over 100 bullet holes and the women wern't killed.  Someone needs to visit the fireing range.

www.addictinginfo.org
 
2013-04-24 09:48:54 AM  

alexcassidy: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

They were furious when they found out they would receive a 1099 for the replacement truck, which (while philosophically justified) makes me think they aren't that familiar with the ins and outs of the law. Or maybe they just wanted to put it behind them.


I'd be furious as well.  You just put 100 rounds through my only method of transportation, permanently disabling it, and instead of making me whole (for the truck aspect of things), you hand me a new truck with a $5,000 or however much bill attached to it.  I'm not paying for you to shoot me.

As far as the settlement goes, I can see the grandma attorney's point of view.  His client is 71 years old, how long could she possibly have lasted winding this through the legal system?  If I was the daughter though, I'd sever her case from her mothers and take that shiat all the way to trial.
 
2013-04-24 09:50:13 AM  
Yea, there is no way the city wants to do discovery on that lawsuit.  It wouldn't look good when it comes to light that the "shoot to kill" order came from the very top.
 
2013-04-24 09:50:16 AM  
I need to be less critical of hollywood when characters shoot and shoot and shoot and hit nothing. That truck has a Bonnie and Clyde level of bullet holes in it and only 2 hit a passenger?
 
2013-04-24 09:50:45 AM  

Brick-House: I understand in total there were over 100 bullet holes and the women wern't killed.  Someone needs to visit the fireing range.

[www.addictinginfo.org image 500x395]


Some cop heads need to roll actually, but fark it "to protect and serve" CHEERS to the boys in blue.
 
2013-04-24 09:52:06 AM  

steverockson: This is what responsible gun owners do.  Shoot first, pay settlements later.


Maybe they should have to buy liability insurance...
 
2013-04-24 09:53:17 AM  
Minus the California "give that back" taxes of course
 
2013-04-24 09:55:12 AM  
Not to mention the investigating behind how horrible the aim of the officers is.
 
2013-04-24 09:55:19 AM  

Basily Gourt: Stoj: Lawyers probably get $1.4 mil, so they'll each get that amount as well. No idea what they're medical expenses are, but that really is not that much money in the long run. They better hope they get shot again in 10 years.

Is that really the way it works? I mean, I doubt this case ever saw the inside of a courtroom. They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

If I were a taxpayer, I would be more pissed at that then any money the women are getting.


I'm basing that on just about every settlement for anything ever that I am aware of.  Lawyers typically get one third in these things.

Anyone should feel free to correct me if they know otherwise.
 
2013-04-24 09:55:42 AM  

Cythraul: You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars? Also, how much did their lawyers get paid? Is it a significant chunk of their settlement? That would be relevant to whether or not they never 'have to work another day in their life.'


They were aged 47 and 71, and they delivered news papers for a living.  According to google, their salary probably ranges from $20k-40k.  That means that 2.1m settlement is the same as their working wages for FIFTY YEARS.  Thats the rest of their lives.

So I dont know, you tell me... can they live off the money that they already live off?

As for the lawyers... if they let the lawyers take a lions share here, then they are retarded.  A highly publicized case where the police already admitted fault and wrongdoing?   You get to negotiate the fee on that one.

/I absolutely could live off $2m, as id just purchase things that earn me income.
 
2013-04-24 09:55:56 AM  

hausman007: I need to be less critical of hollywood when characters shoot and shoot and shoot and hit nothing. That truck has a Bonnie and Clyde level of bullet holes in it and only 2 hit a passenger?


That's the result when your pistol instructors are these mercs:

badmouth.net
/no one ever got hit by a bullet on the tv show... except BA... once (if I recall correctly)
 
2013-04-24 09:57:08 AM  

d23: The Boston Police deserve a lot of credit here.


First, it wasn't the Boston police.  It was every LEO at every level in the State of Massholechusetts and beyond.

Second, this bombing was (a) amateurish, and (b) only the first one.  Now that the LEO community responded to this homemade glorified firecracker by rolling out EVERY SINGLE COP in a 100-mile radius, shutting down a major city for 36 hours, and conducting a door-to-door search (that yielded precisely zero, considering the suspect had already slipped the perimeter, after he slipped an 80-car shooting scene) ...

how are they going to respond to the next one?

Do the same thing?  Will the government really pay 8,000 LEOs their union-mandated triple time and hazardous duty pay every time a pressure cooker asplodes?  Shut down an entire urban economy for 2 days?  Three?  A week?

This response was all about making a Show of Force.  Great.  They caught a wounded teenager who had to rob a 7-Eleven to get pocket money.

The next Show of Force will be especially entertaining.  And twice as expensive.  I'll be disappointed if it doesn't at least involve a parade of armored vehicles and stormtroopers.
 
2013-04-24 09:57:14 AM  

Phinn: Basily Gourt: They write a couple of stern letters to the city, and collect $1.4 million dollars?

I'd like to see if you could accomplish that.


You're kidding, right? I think a form letter off of a DIY legal forms website could accomplish pretty much the same thing in a slam-dunk case like this.

If that doesn't work, then you get a lawyer. A cheap one.
 
2013-04-24 09:58:07 AM  

Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?


They should own LA.
 
2013-04-24 09:58:27 AM  

MFAWG: How many dollars per round is that?


Well given the cops pumped more than 100 ROUNDS into the vehicle, that works out to about $42,000 per.   Which is reasonable given it was a woman and her 76 YEAR OLD MOTHER and they were only trying to deliver the morning paper when Officer TriggerHappy McGee and his merry companions opened up on them.

What's truly sad is the women will get their money.  The La Taxpayers will foot the bill, and NO ONE involved int he shooting  will be fired or even have so much as a stern glance thrown thier way for their criminally reckless behavior
 
2013-04-24 09:58:59 AM  

Cythraul: You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars?


In theory yes. In theory Communism works. In theory.
 
2013-04-24 09:59:17 AM  

Cythraul: Alonjar: Cythraul: 4.2 million? Isn't that a little low, given what they went through?

KatjaMouse: If we want to be serious I think they each earned twice that.

You guys are delusional.  They just got handed over FOURTY YEARS worth of wages.  They dont ever have to work another day in their lives if they maintain their current life style.

/Its just government funds, its not like its real money or anything, right?

You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars? Also, how much did their lawyers get paid? Is it a significant chunk of their settlement? That would be relevant to whether or not they never 'have to work another day in their life.'


I could, easily. Pay off my house, buy some new cars, do a little investing... and I've still got close to 2 million dollars. Of course I live within my means as it is and couldn't care less what "teh Joneses" are doing.  What kind of lifestyle are you living that 2.1 million wouldn't handle?
 
2013-04-24 09:59:18 AM  

Alonjar: Cythraul: You could afford to never work another day in your life with 2.1 million dollars? Also, how much did their lawyers get paid? Is it a significant chunk of their settlement? That would be relevant to whether or not they never 'have to work another day in their life.'

They were aged 47 and 71, and they delivered news papers for a living.


I didn't know they were that old. So yeah, they might be able to live off of that for the rest of their lives. Doesn't mean they don't deserve more for having their truck shot up like swiss cheese, being injured, and having the illusion that police officers are here to help completely shattered for the rest of their lives (which as you pointed out, isn't that long, but still).

/I absolutely could live off $2m, as id just purchase things that earn me income.

What would you buy that would earn you income?
 
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