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2013-04-24 09:52:18 AM  
What's with the A-20 Havoc tag?  Was the battery specifically for use in a Havoc RC model?

/it's a good-looking aircraft, but kind of random and obscure to show up as a topic of discussion
 
2013-04-24 09:58:47 AM  
Someone sold them a pressure cooker too.  Many people were involved in the delivery and sale of food and beverages that kept them alive throughout their lives.  I guess what I'm saying is, don't sweat it, bro.
 
2013-04-24 10:16:00 AM  

nekom: Someone sold them a pressure cooker too.  Many people were involved in the delivery and sale of food and beverages that kept them alive throughout their lives.  I guess what I'm saying is, don't sweat it, bro.


Maybe they told him what they were going to use it for.

Allah's Righteous Fists: "We need some batteries so we can cowardly kill a bunch of innocent people"
Store Owner: "Hmmm, killing people is bad, but a .27 cent profit per pack of batteries is good"
 
2013-04-24 10:20:25 AM  
Someone really wants their 15 minutes...
 
2013-04-24 10:20:41 AM  
please be Hobby Lobby...please be Hobby Lobby...

(*reads article*)

damn

sigh
 
2013-04-24 10:20:44 AM  

WhippingBoy: nekom: Someone sold them a pressure cooker too.  Many people were involved in the delivery and sale of food and beverages that kept them alive throughout their lives.  I guess what I'm saying is, don't sweat it, bro.

Maybe they told him what they were going to use it for.

Allah's Righteous Fists: "We need some batteries so we can cowardly kill a bunch of innocent people"
Store Owner: "Hmmm, killing people is bad, but a .27 cent profit per pack of batteries is good"


It is the Hobby Loft.. so they would more likely ask "Who do you want to kill? ... "those moralless evil people"... "oh liberals! and godless heathens. Got it. Have a few pack."
 
2013-04-24 10:22:17 AM  
WTF is a high speed switch? Do they really mean ESC?
 
2013-04-24 10:23:16 AM  
Faith said he recognized the "lipo" or lithium polymer batteries and associated chargers used in the bombings, which is what the Tenergy batteries are that he sells. He pulled out a battery pack early Friday afternoon containing seven batteries and a charger.

"I started putting together how this thing could have been built. OK, I know exactly how they did it," he said.


OMG.  Look at that "lipo" battery pack.  IT LOOKS LIKE A BOMB!

www.nashuatelegraph.com

LIPO BATTERIES CAN BLOW UP LIKE A BOMB

t0.gstatic.com

Lithium battery problems grounded the Boeing Dreamliner worldwide.

If you Google "lipo batteries" and "planes", you will see that lipo batteries have been involved in hundreds, maybe thousands of documented, devastating, fiery RC plane crashes.

Why are these things even sold to the public?!!!
 
2013-04-24 10:28:03 AM  
Hobby shop owner laments that the first business that he has had in weeks is the bombers. Poor schmuck. He should just pack it in and cut his losses.
 
2013-04-24 10:31:10 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Faith said he recognized the "lipo" or lithium polymer batteries and associated chargers used in the bombings, which is what the Tenergy batteries are that he sells. He pulled out a battery pack early Friday afternoon containing seven batteries and a charger.

"I started putting together how this thing could have been built. OK, I know exactly how they did it," he said.

OMG.  Look at that "lipo" battery pack.  IT LOOKS LIKE A BOMB!

[www.nashuatelegraph.com image 350x242]

LIPO BATTERIES CAN BLOW UP LIKE A BOMB

[t0.gstatic.com image 275x183]

Lithium battery problems grounded the Boeing Dreamliner worldwide.

If you Google "lipo batteries" and "planes", you will see that lipo batteries have been involved in hundreds, maybe thousands of documented, devastating, fiery RC plane crashes.

Why are these things even sold to the public?!!!


I still use nicads guess I am old :(


www.fbastard.com
 
2013-04-24 10:33:13 AM  
Future Onion article: Wal-mart employee who sold bomber his backpack wracked with guilt
 
2013-04-24 10:38:21 AM  

Mazzic518: WTF is a high speed switch? Do they really mean ESC?


Yes. I'd imagine one of the higher end ESC's that can handle 6s-10s LiPo could dump a substantial amount of energy instantly. And this sucks because I'm a fan of all things R/C.

Don't know why the safer LiFe alternative failed to catch on like LiPo. And also don't understand how LiPo in an electronic device is A-OK to take on planes, but you cannot ship a LiPo battery via airmail.
 
2013-04-24 10:38:52 AM  
Everyone involved with electric RC recognized that battery in less than a second.  2 cell 7.4 Lipo.  I run similar stuff in my 1/16 scale Electric RC.  It's the only way to run electric RC, Nicad is dead as a doornail.

Hobby Lobby doesn't sell RC stuff, at least not the couple by me.

I've burned up Lipos running them in parallel at full speed, it's a sight to see.  Spitting and popping and bubbling and it goes on for a while.  I've heard of them going up in flames, but I've never seen it myself.  I charge mine on a concrete floor at least 2 feet away from anything.

BTW, electric RC has crushed the nitro RC industry IMO.  Nitro RC is smelly, heavy, requires tons of stuff to make it work, and doesn't have near the power of electric.  As much as I love NItro, I plug in my battery on my Electrics, and then run, that's it.  And they are WAY WAY faster than the nitros.
 
2013-04-24 10:41:24 AM  

Psylence: Mazzic518: WTF is a high speed switch? Do they really mean ESC?

Yes. I'd imagine one of the higher end ESC's that can handle 6s-10s LiPo could dump a substantial amount of energy instantly. And this sucks because I'm a fan of all things R/C.

Don't know why the safer LiFe alternative failed to catch on like LiPo. And also don't understand how LiPo in an electronic device is A-OK to take on planes, but you cannot ship a LiPo battery via airmail.


Not to threadjack but any recommendations on a gas truck kit.. everything I see is RTR i have radios receivers and servos i just want a good truck and motor
 
2013-04-24 10:42:44 AM  

Boxingoutsider: Everyone involved with electric RC recognized that battery in less than a second.  2 cell 7.4 Lipo.  I run similar stuff in my 1/16 scale Electric RC.  It's the only way to run electric RC, Nicad is dead as a doornail.

Hobby Lobby doesn't sell RC stuff, at least not the couple by me.

I've burned up Lipos running them in parallel at full speed, it's a sight to see.  Spitting and popping and bubbling and it goes on for a while.  I've heard of them going up in flames, but I've never seen it myself.  I charge mine on a concrete floor at least 2 feet away from anything.

BTW, electric RC has crushed the nitro RC industry IMO.  Nitro RC is smelly, heavy, requires tons of stuff to make it work, and doesn't have near the power of electric.  As much as I love NItro, I plug in my battery on my Electrics, and then run, that's it.  And they are WAY WAY faster than the nitros.


What about runtime now? I was in when Rc-10's were king and it seamed like run times were like 5 minutes
 
2013-04-24 10:47:09 AM  
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2013-04-24 10:47:58 AM  

Mazzic518: Psylence: Mazzic518: WTF is a high speed switch? Do they really mean ESC?

Yes. I'd imagine one of the higher end ESC's that can handle 6s-10s LiPo could dump a substantial amount of energy instantly. And this sucks because I'm a fan of all things R/C.

Don't know why the safer LiFe alternative failed to catch on like LiPo. And also don't understand how LiPo in an electronic device is A-OK to take on planes, but you cannot ship a LiPo battery via airmail.

Not to threadjack but any recommendations on a gas truck kit.. everything I see is RTR i have radios receivers and servos i just want a good truck and motor


Brushless systems and Lithium batteries seem to run FOREVER. I remember 5 mins was a good run on a hot brushed motor and 8.4v NiCd.  Honestly, I'd recommend any of the new brushless systems over nitro. Problem is, very few kits are produced these days. It's all RTR instant gratification stuff which kinda sucks for people who like to actually turn wrenches.
Associated still makes some awesome products, if you want competetive trucks and buggies. If you want big, the HPI Baja 5b in nitro or brushless flavors is very cool but not cheap.. Got a budget?
 
2013-04-24 10:49:19 AM  
All through the night
As I wept, I packed my explosives
 
2013-04-24 10:51:50 AM  
Parallel news this morning was the employee at Phantom Fireworks in Seabrook, NH.
How many Mass-Farkers have been there?

/Sparklers are illegal in MA.
//Really.
 
2013-04-24 11:02:59 AM  

Betep: Parallel news this morning was the employee at Phantom Fireworks in Seabrook, NH.
How many Mass-Farkers have been there?

/Sparklers are illegal in MA.
//Really.


I was there probably 20 years ago lol
 
2013-04-24 11:05:02 AM  

Psylence: Mazzic518: Psylence: Mazzic518: WTF is a high speed switch? Do they really mean ESC?

Yes. I'd imagine one of the higher end ESC's that can handle 6s-10s LiPo could dump a substantial amount of energy instantly. And this sucks because I'm a fan of all things R/C.

Don't know why the safer LiFe alternative failed to catch on like LiPo. And also don't understand how LiPo in an electronic device is A-OK to take on planes, but you cannot ship a LiPo battery via airmail.

Not to threadjack but any recommendations on a gas truck kit.. everything I see is RTR i have radios receivers and servos i just want a good truck and motor

Brushless systems and Lithium batteries seem to run FOREVER. I remember 5 mins was a good run on a hot brushed motor and 8.4v NiCd.  Honestly, I'd recommend any of the new brushless systems over nitro. Problem is, very few kits are produced these days. It's all RTR instant gratification stuff which kinda sucks for people who like to actually turn wrenches.
Associated still makes some awesome products, if you want competetive trucks and buggies. If you want big, the HPI Baja 5b in nitro or brushless flavors is very cool but not cheap.. Got a budget?


Hmmm pretty much the only reason I was considering nitro was the run time factor.. I may have to rethink that decision... no budget yet I have just been window shopping w/e the new tower hobbies catalog comes here.
 
2013-04-24 11:07:12 AM  
Yet another mistake from a strictly operational standpoint:  They purchased batteries and components from an easily traceable source.  There are a limited number of places to purchase LiPo batteries like that.  Better to have gone with something available everywhere, like Duracells or Energizers.

The more I learn about this incident, the less impressed I am with the execution of it.  Thankfully, these guys were truly amateurs.

Major Caveat:  None of the stuff I'm going to discuss below is anything more than simple common sense.  It's not an endorsement of violence.

Having said that, here are some of their "mistakes":

1. Using components from limited, easily traceable sources, as TFA shows.

2. "Joker" wearing his baseball cap backwards and not wearing glasses or other attempt to disguise his features.  It's a bit harder to associate his older brother with pictures of him, because his hat and sunglasses hide his face somewhat.  You get a really good, identifiable view of the younger brother, though.

3. Walking in to the area together.   This is related to #2 because both are operational mistakes in an area that's likely to have pretty ubiquitous surveillance by video cameras, not to mention photographs and videos taken by spectators.   Professionals would tend to shy away from targets like that, or take steps to minimize being associated with each other and take better precautions to avoid being identified.

4. Carrying and especially *USING* a cell phone.  This is a big no-no, as the cell companies keep the record of every single call and every single "ping" for a long time.  Even if the phone is a 'burner' like a Tracfone paid for with cash that isn't associated with your name, that number will almost certainly trace back to your home and everywhere else you go unless you take unusually strict precautions that essentially render the phone useless.  This is how the police figured out where they were, btw:  They tracked the cell phone of the person who was car-jacked, because his phone was still in the car.  They knew where they were because of that.

5.  Not using a more stout container for their bombs.  A bomb that uses gunpowder of any kind, but especially black powder or BP substitutes, needs to build up sufficient pressure before it bursts, or the majority of the energy is wasted.  A pressure cooker is actually a fairly weak container for something like that.  A traditional steel pipe bomb would probably have been just as effective with a much smaller amount of powder and in a smaller, more easy to conceal and place package.

Thankfully, these assholes didn't really know what they were doing, so while they did manage to injure a large number of people, and kill a handful, it could have been much, much worse.  They could have killed and injured a larger number of people, and they could still be on the loose, and able to carry out more vicious attacks.
 
2013-04-24 11:19:26 AM  

Betep: Parallel news this morning was the employee at Phantom Fireworks in Seabrook, NH.
How many Mass-Farkers have been there?

/Sparklers are illegal in MA.
//Really.


Them suckers burn at 1100 celcius. You could serious cause an eye injury with one.
 
2013-04-24 11:19:48 AM  
Unless he knew that the bombers were going to use his battery for a bomb that they were building, this is a non-story.
 
2013-04-24 11:34:24 AM  

Great Janitor: Unless he knew that the bombers were going to use his battery for a bomb that they were building, this is a non-story.


Yeah but I feel for the guy.  If he has any humanity it's had to be a real kick in the gut to him that he played even an unwitting part in this kind of thing.
 
2013-04-24 11:48:30 AM  

nekom: Someone sold them a pressure cooker too.  Many people were involved in the delivery and sale of food and beverages that kept them alive throughout their lives.  I guess what I'm saying is, don't sweat it, bro.


Right. I mean, if I made hammers, the first hundred thousand buyers will use it to pound nails in their wall to hang pictures. I can't be mad if the 100,001st buyer uses it to hit their grandma in the head.
 
2013-04-24 12:04:49 PM  
Battery operated boys, weird!
 
2013-04-24 12:07:20 PM  
If only they had gone to Radio Shack then we would have had their phone number before the crime.
 
2013-04-24 12:19:35 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

A-20 Havoc also know as Boston when used by the UK. It was a bomber, technically an 'attack bomber'.
 
2013-04-24 12:20:47 PM  
www.cooking-hacks.com

Ban MOSFETs!
 
2013-04-24 01:28:32 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: [www.cooking-hacks.com image 600x600]

Ban MOSFETs!


Doctor Who has not declined that severely in quality.
 
2013-04-24 01:29:29 PM  

Mazzic518: Psylence: Brushless systems and Lithium batteries seem to run FOREVER. I remember 5 mins was a good run on a hot brushed motor and 8.4v NiCd.  Honestly, I'd recommend any of the new brushless systems over nitro. Problem is, very few kits are produced these days. It's all RTR instant gratification stuff which kinda sucks for people who like to actually turn wrenches.
Associated still makes some awesome products, if you want competetive trucks and buggies. If you want big, the HPI Baja 5b in nitro or brushless flavors is very cool but not cheap.. Got a budget?

Hmmm pretty much the only reason I was considering nitro was the run time factor.. I may have to rethink that decision... no budget yet I have just been window shopping w/e the new tower hobbies catalog comes here.


I was looking at a Traxxas Slayer. My son picked up a Slash, and holy cow that thing is fast on a big Lipo. When it isn't tuned it's almost uncontrollable. But the nice part is that he bought a programmable speed controller that he can plug into his laptop and basically put in a custom tune.

I mostly fly planes, and love my gas powered models, but have been getting hour long flights with my Radian electric glider.
 
2013-04-24 02:56:13 PM  

WhippingBoy: Allah's Righteous Fists: "We need some batteries so we can cowardly kill a bunch of innocent people"


Not sure you grok the meaning of the word "cowardly"....
 
2013-04-24 03:01:21 PM  

Do the needful: Mazzic518: Psylence: Brushless systems and Lithium batteries seem to run FOREVER. I remember 5 mins was a good run on a hot brushed motor and 8.4v NiCd.  Honestly, I'd recommend any of the new brushless systems over nitro. Problem is, very few kits are produced these days. It's all RTR instant gratification stuff which kinda sucks for people who like to actually turn wrenches.
Associated still makes some awesome products, if you want competetive trucks and buggies. If you want big, the HPI Baja 5b in nitro or brushless flavors is very cool but not cheap.. Got a budget?

Hmmm pretty much the only reason I was considering nitro was the run time factor.. I may have to rethink that decision... no budget yet I have just been window shopping w/e the new tower hobbies catalog comes here.

I was looking at a Traxxas Slayer. My son picked up a Slash, and holy cow that thing is fast on a big Lipo. When it isn't tuned it's almost uncontrollable. But the nice part is that he bought a programmable speed controller that he can plug into his laptop and basically put in a custom tune.

I mostly fly planes, and love my gas powered models, but have been getting hour long flights with my Radian electric glider.


T/y for the suggestions :)
 
2013-04-24 03:17:18 PM  

picturescrazy: nekom: Someone sold them a pressure cooker too.  Many people were involved in the delivery and sale of food and beverages that kept them alive throughout their lives.  I guess what I'm saying is, don't sweat it, bro.

Right. I mean, if I made hammers, the first hundred thousand buyers will use it to pound nails in their wall to hang pictures. I can't be mad if the 100,001st buyer uses it to hit their grandma in the head.


I saw on the news they got the pressure cooker from Macys of all places.
 
2013-04-24 03:37:27 PM  
I don't see why he should beat himself up any more than the fast food chefs who fed these guys, the landlord who sheltered them, or the stores that sold them cookware and explosive ingredients.
They paid for quite a few local supplies and services just to get this plot going, but it shouldn't incriminate any of the thousands of people who unwittingly "helped" by doing their usual thing.

The ultimate responsibility for this attack belongs to the bombers alone.
Trying to blame everyone else for what they couldn't have known is pointless.
 
2013-04-24 07:27:53 PM  

Do the needful: Mazzic518: Psylence: Brushless systems and Lithium batteries seem to run FOREVER. I remember 5 mins was a good run on a hot brushed motor and 8.4v NiCd.  Honestly, I'd recommend any of the new brushless systems over nitro. Problem is, very few kits are produced these days. It's all RTR instant gratification stuff which kinda sucks for people who like to actually turn wrenches.
Associated still makes some awesome products, if you want competetive trucks and buggies. If you want big, the HPI Baja 5b in nitro or brushless flavors is very cool but not cheap.. Got a budget?

Hmmm pretty much the only reason I was considering nitro was the run time factor.. I may have to rethink that decision... no budget yet I have just been window shopping w/e the new tower hobbies catalog comes here.

I was looking at a Traxxas Slayer. My son picked up a Slash, and holy cow that thing is fast on a big Lipo. When it isn't tuned it's almost uncontrollable. But the nice part is that he bought a programmable speed controller that he can plug into his laptop and basically put in a custom tune.

I mostly fly planes, and love my gas powered models, but have been getting hour long flights with my Radian electric glider.


I bought a Rustler so I could see what this brushless shiat was all about. Put in a 3600mah NiMH battery and drove it around and thought... huh, this is nothing. I don't know what the big deal is...
So it turns out I had it in "training" mode on the ESC. No worries, I'm sure I can handle this.
Half throttle = flips right over onto its roof. Full throttle = holyshiat right into a curb at some high speed. Broken front A arm.

Lesson learned. Time has moved on from what I was used to. Scared to even TRY Lithium in that thing.
 
2013-04-24 08:55:09 PM  
I sold large spoons, I'm so guilty for making people fat!!!!
 
2013-04-25 01:11:00 AM  
Yeah, you have a conscience, and that is good.  However, you need to realize there is no possible way to have known.  Do good things; continue to have a conscience.
 
2013-04-25 01:17:06 AM  

puddleonfire: I sold large spoons, I'm so guilty for making people fat!!!!




I was in the military and was clever. My guilt never ends.
 
2013-04-25 02:56:03 AM  

nekom: Someone sold them a pressure cooker too.  Many people were involved in the delivery and sale of food and beverages that kept them alive throughout their lives.  I guess what I'm saying is, don't sweat it, bro.


Absolutely, our government is at fault for letting Muslims into our country.
 
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