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(CNN)   Postal Service takes new approach to budget crisis: sue Lance Armstrong for a solid $100 million   (cnn.com) divider line 74
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2013-04-23 11:43:06 PM
cdn.pjmedia.com
 
2013-04-23 11:50:30 PM
affordablehousinginstitute.org
 
2013-04-23 11:52:11 PM
Oh God Dammit.  Really - they got what they paid for, their logo on TV and in the public eye on the most successful athlete of the day.  Unless they can prove that sponsoring Armstrong all those years ago has resulted in lost revenues for them because of association of their brand with him, I say they can fark right on off outta here.
 
2013-04-23 11:54:51 PM
While I think the triple damages is a stretch, the man ran a team that fraudulently garnered sponsorship.  Not only did he collect the money, he apparently made sure he ran the team in such a way that he could keep collecting it.

He deserves to get dinged a little.
 
2013-04-24 12:18:22 AM
I switched to e-billing from the power company ALL because the USPS sponsored Lance Armstrong from 1998 to 2004!

Fark the Post Office and the filthy cheating aesthetes they enable with my Stamp Dollars!!!
 
2013-04-24 12:27:17 AM
This is 5 years of NPR.

Literally.

Based on that fact, and how much I know NPR siphons from the government, this will probably wipe out the debt. No one can really know for sure, because it's hard to track such large numbers exactly.
 
2013-04-24 01:45:58 AM
Even the blind people in the audience saw this one coming.

/okay, sorry...
//visually impaired
///sight deprived
////purveyors of Braille pr0n
 
2013-04-24 01:51:59 AM
What's the return on marketing from spending $40 million sponsoring Armstrong? How does the USPS get more business out of that?
 
2013-04-24 02:12:20 AM
This lawsuit will get the USPS more attention than its sponsorship did.
 
2013-04-24 02:51:35 AM
i2.cdn.turner.com
FTA: Armstrong: Like Bill, people forgive

Clinton cheated on his wife for a BJ; you cheated your teammates, your sponsors and your sport for a yellow jersey. Apparently people don't equate the two.

Fark Me To Tears: purveyors of Braille pr0n


New band name.
 
2013-04-24 02:58:26 AM
Oh come on. I was excited for the Coachella reunion, but this is just bullshiat money grabbing. Make some new music if you're so strapped for cash, Ben!
 
2013-04-24 04:15:04 AM

impaler: Based on that fact, and how much I know NPR siphons from the government, this will probably wipe out the debt. No one can really know for sure, because it's hard to track such large numbers exactly.


Lou Dobbs told me defunding NPR and PBS would completely solve the debt, so five years worth oughta put us waaay in the black.

TAX CUTS FOR EVERYONE! (Well, not literally everyone, obviously.  Just the important people.)
 
2013-04-24 04:22:21 AM
I am suing Lance Armstrong for one billion..... you know for those yellow wristbands and chafing and stuff....
 
2013-04-24 04:25:29 AM
I really don't think the Postal Service can return to such great heights that they've been at in the past.  There's nothing better than email, and they just can't compete with it.  I don't know if they saw it coming, or they slept for 15 years and woke up and said "woah, suddenly, everything has changed".  Either way, I think their days are numbered.

/enjoying re-released album.
 
2013-04-24 04:26:33 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Even the blind people in the audience saw this one coming.

/okay, sorry...
//visually impaired
///sight deprived
////purveyors of Braille pr0n


Braille porn?  Heh...nice bumps on THAT one...
 
2013-04-24 04:32:48 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh God Dammit.  Really - they got what they paid for, their logo on TV and in the public eye on the most successful athlete of the day.  Unless they can prove that sponsoring Armstrong all those years ago has resulted in lost revenues for them because of association of their brand with him, I say they can fark right on off outta here.


The damages portion WILL be the toughest to prove, I predict...damages aren't required under the False Claims Act, but ARE a requirement if they want more than a $10k fine out of him.

Lance didn't screw the USPS; technology and Congress did that tag-team style.  Congress needs to figure out if they want to treat it as infrastructure, or a business...nobody biatches that the national highway system "loses money", for instance.
 
2013-04-24 04:39:34 AM

PunGent: Congress needs to figure out if they want to treat it as infrastructure, or a business...nobody biatches that the national highway system "loses money", for instance.


In my opinion, the Postal Service should be treated as infrastructure. My experience with the Postal Service has largely been positive, whereas my experience with private carriers has been middling to negative. I mean, come on... I ordered theater tickets online late one evening and got them in the mail the very next day. That's really something. I can send a package across the country for a reasonable price, and it will get there in just a handful of days. For as much flak as the Postal Service takes, it's actually quite good. Besides all that, the Constitution specifically mandates the existence of the Post.
 
2013-04-24 04:42:11 AM
It sounds like the USPS's contract with Lance specified that if he used performance enhancing drugs, he doesn't get any of the money.

Time to pay the piper!
 
2013-04-24 04:49:28 AM
link farked already?
 
2013-04-24 04:50:08 AM
nevermind, must be my shiatty connection
 
2013-04-24 04:52:45 AM

scottydoesntknow: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 379x214]


I'm kind of okay with this...

But subby used the term "solid $100 million".  But that's like a 1 and two zeros.  Hardly solid numbers.  I say sue the fraud for $999 million.  That's a solid million number.  At least 2 billion bucks changed hands when this guy still had two nuts.  I'm cutting that number in half.  Fair shake?
 
2013-04-24 04:54:39 AM

Lsherm: While I think the triple damages is a stretch, the man ran a team that fraudulently garnered sponsorship.  Not only did he collect the money, he apparently made sure he ran the team in such a way that he could keep collecting it.

He deserves to get dinged a little.


If thats the case I would say every athlete thats ever played a sport that someone payed to watch owes restitution.

come to think of it thats not a bad idea
 
2013-04-24 05:10:26 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Lsherm: While I think the triple damages is a stretch, the man ran a team that fraudulently garnered sponsorship.  Not only did he collect the money, he apparently made sure he ran the team in such a way that he could keep collecting it.

He deserves to get dinged a little.

If thats the case I would say every athlete thats ever played a sport that someone payed to watch owes restitution.

come to think of it thats not a bad idea


Hmmm?  All sports?  Lemme think...
MLB? Yeah they did, as a whole, put on the same charade cycling did.
NFL? Those guys are unnaturally big...
NHL? They're are mostly skinny guys.  Ever see them without pads?  Differ sentence.
NBA? Are we talking spliff and coke now too?  Those aren't really performance enhancers.  The nba has always had a drug problem, but it ain't about performance enhancement.
 
2013-04-24 05:15:42 AM
Forget the solid $100 mil baby. Why not go for...

i.imgur.com

Instead?

/Solid!
 
2013-04-24 05:16:28 AM
Good thinking. That ought to buy us two more weeks of Saturday delivery!
 
2013-04-24 05:16:58 AM
I wonder if Hertz ever tried to sue O.J. Simpson?
 
2013-04-24 05:20:03 AM

impaler: This is 5 years of NPR.

Literally.

Based on that fact, and how much I know NPR siphons from the government, this will probably wipe out the debt. No one can really know for sure, because it's hard to track such large numbers exactly.


Welcome to my favorites.
 
2013-04-24 05:24:54 AM
The guy cheated and broke the rules to achieve success. He stole opportunities from who knows how many athletes. He lied to everyone about this and hurt those who knew about it and tried to speak up.

He deserves nothing of what he has, but despite any lawsuits he will be rich until he dies.  In the meantime, I am all for any and all damage done to him.

He is a pathetic person.
 
2013-04-24 05:25:43 AM

PunGent: Lance didn't screw the USPS; technology and Congress did that tag-team style.


GOP members of congress just helping their corporate buddies. Nothing to see here, move along move along.
 
2013-04-24 05:28:18 AM

Triumph: What's the return on marketing from spending $40 million sponsoring Armstrong? How does the USPS get more business out of that?


It's general brand advertising. Lots of companies, even those who don't sell directly to the public, do it. Between comedians targeting them ("The farking post office! Am I right? Am I right?") and the Republican Party punching them in the gut and then pointing "hey look at the lazy bum rolling around on the ground" in an effort to create their government never works utopia, the Post Office has good reason to spend money to present a positive image to the nation. Having the main medium for that message turn out to be a doped up cheater isn't good for the image they're trying to repair.
 
2013-04-24 05:42:28 AM
The Postal Service doesn't have a budget crisis, they have a congressional interference crisis.
 
2013-04-24 05:47:59 AM

James F. Campbell: For as much flak as the Postal Service takes, it's actually quite good. Besides all that, the Constitution specifically mandates the existence of the Post.


I don't have an issue with the spirit of your argument; however, the constitution merely grants the government the power to establish a post. It doesn't actually mandate it.

From Section 10:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
 
2013-04-24 05:52:21 AM
 
2013-04-24 06:02:02 AM
That takes ball.
 
2013-04-24 06:26:38 AM
I don't think the USPS got hurt too badly on this one. I'd think it would be hard to prove damages when they received a threefold return on their investment.
http://www.denverpost.com/outdoors/ci _17102119
 
2013-04-24 06:33:53 AM
There is lying.

And then there is psychopathic, dead-eye, hurt-the-people-who-force-the-truth lying.

I'd wish him to hell, but I think you need a soul even for hell.
 
2013-04-24 07:12:09 AM
As long as he's left with nothing, which is about what he would have earned if he hadn't cheated. Well, some time in the big house would be okay, too.

/used to be a hero
 
2013-04-24 07:19:26 AM

JaredSeth: The Postal Service doesn't have a budget crisis, they have a congressional interference crisis.


So what's the solution? They have huge pension liabilities and are losing money every day.

Should we close rural post offices? End saturday delivery? Raise rates?

I'm open to any and all of those but keep in mind that any of them would tend to decrease the usefulness of the postal service.
 
2013-04-24 07:36:23 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: JaredSeth: The Postal Service doesn't have a budget crisis, they have a congressional interference crisis.

So what's the solution? They have huge pension liabilities and are losing money every day.

Should we close rural post offices? End saturday delivery? Raise rates?

I'm open to any and all of those but keep in mind that any of them would tend to decrease the usefulness of the postal service.


How about none of those, and ignore the pension mandate?

There are no criminal penalties for just ignoring it.  Stop pre-funding the pension plans.
 
2013-04-24 07:46:34 AM

scottydoesntknow: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 379x214]


DONE IN ONE!
 
2013-04-24 07:47:22 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: That takes ball.


Yeah, notice it's $100 million, not $200 million.
 
2013-04-24 07:52:55 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh God Dammit.  Really - they got what they paid for, their logo on TV and in the public eye on the most successful athlete of the day.  Unless they can prove that sponsoring Armstrong all those years ago has resulted in lost revenues for them because of association of their brand with him, I say they can fark right on off outta here.


Not if the payments were contingent on Armstrong not using drugs.  If the expectation of no drug use was written right into their agreement, it would be an open and shut breech of contract.
 
2013-04-24 07:54:29 AM
Thing is, he was a great advertisement... He already gave you his service, how can you sue after the fact?  The USPS benefited from lance..dumb lawsuit
 
2013-04-24 08:04:56 AM
Armstrong should reimburse the Post Office, but why was a chronically money losing business sponsoring anybody in the first place?
 
2013-04-24 08:08:16 AM
If people don't stop giving Lance a hard time, he's just going to take his ball and go home.
 
2013-04-24 08:32:24 AM

tbhouston: Thing is, he was a great advertisement... He already gave you his service, how can you sue after the fact?  The USPS benefited from lance..dumb lawsuit


would assume it's predicated on false and misleading B.S.  Such as "lookit me!  I'm healthy and drug free- oht shoe laces were crossed"

digistil: If people don't stop giving Lance a hard time, he's just going to take his

8 ball and go home.
Can't be any kind of fun guy when he's wasted.
 
2013-04-24 08:33:40 AM
I never did understand why the USPS had to advertise. Are there really people out there that don't know the USPS exists?!
 
2013-04-24 08:36:29 AM
The people should sue the USPS for return of taxes spent on them to sponsor sports groups.  That is not a responsible use of taxpayer funds.  No wonder they are broke.
 
2013-04-24 08:41:41 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh God Dammit.  Really - they got what they paid for, their logo on TV and in the public eye on the most successful athlete of the day.  Unless they can prove that sponsoring Armstrong all those years ago has resulted in lost revenues for them because of association of their brand with him, I say they can fark right on off outta here.


I agree with you.  Sports sponsorship isn't about ethical competition, it's about advertising and brand recognition.  And the Postal Service got that in spades.  And there's no way that their previous association with Lance hurt their brand image or whatever.
 
2013-04-24 08:45:48 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: JaredSeth: The Postal Service doesn't have a budget crisis, they have a congressional interference crisis.

So what's the solution? They have huge pension liabilities and are losing money every day.

Should we close rural post offices? End saturday delivery? Raise rates?

I'm open to any and all of those but keep in mind that any of them would tend to decrease the usefulness of the postal service.


The reason that the Post Office is losing money is that they are required by Congressional mandate to fully fund pensions for future USPS employees who have not even been born yet.

Lower that to say, "current USPS employees", and there's no "budget crisis".
 
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