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2013-04-23 08:03:27 PM  
That's the problem with relying on trendy products.  Eventually, you're no longer hip/cool.
 
2013-04-23 08:04:02 PM  
Quality products sold at an affordable price on the other hand....
 
2013-04-23 08:52:02 PM  
It's been "the beginning of the end for Apple" for, like, 30 years now.
 
2013-04-23 08:52:11 PM  

Altair: Quality products sold at an affordable price on the other hand....


My last mac laptop lasted five years, and I gave it to my mom because her desktop died. I've never had a PC laptop last more than one without some crack or damage to the case, or without having to replace a hard drive or memory module.

Macs also hold resell value far more than a PC does of comparable age. 2009 Macbooks are selling for 800 bucks+ still.

The thing is that while you pay more for a Mac, (GENERALLY) you get a quality product that lasts due to it's construction.
 
2013-04-23 08:52:37 PM  
Doubtful.
 
2013-04-23 09:29:27 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Doubtful.


unfortunately, This.

It's pretty hard to imagine with the brainless legions they have still got bolstering their billions that they will be in any financial trouble any time soon. Worse comes to worse they can just pull a google or microsoft and buy up a bunch of other companies and rebrand em to keep a trickle coming in.
 
2013-04-23 09:34:01 PM  
Tim Cook better be negotiating his golden parachute now, because the Apple Board will surely use him as a scapegoat.

Apple got lucky when they were at death's door in the 90's only to be saved by a Microsoft investment, the return of Jobs and the NeXT OS. They won't have that same luck if company growth really slows down.
 
2013-04-23 09:45:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: 2009 Macbooks are selling for 800 bucks+ still.


Oof, maybe the Pros.  The white case Macbooks aren't going for that.

My office just recently bought me my new round of "equipment" - a 15 inch Macbook Pro Retina and an iPhone 5.  They are both fantastic and disappointing at the same time.

The MBP retina is a little bit of a ripoff.  Apple has a crazy high resolution for the screen, but since they use a pixel multiplier you only get 1440x900 usable screen space in the "native" resolution.  Sure, everything looks clear, but if you're looking for more screen real estate, you have to switch to non-native modes that burn out the battery quicker.  I would have been better off sticking with the 1680x1050 standard model even though it's a little bigger.  But that's for my particular use as a desktop replacement.  Since I'm an entirely mobile employee, I don't have the option of plugging into a larger monitor.  The highest general resolution you can use is 1920x1200, which is just your standard 16:10 LCD.  I'm not sure it was worth the extra cost, but it does look nice.

As for the the iPhone - I was our company's main BES administrator for years, which meant I was stuck with a Blackberry, which meant my phone sucked.  The iPhone 5 is amazing in that regard, but I have fat sausage fingers, and it's just a touch too small to hold in my hands and type accurately.  I worked construction and laid carpet for a decade before I got into IT, so my fingers aren't dainty anymore.  Based on my hands, I should be an Irish butcher.

That's not Apple's fault, but if I had a chance to go back and request another phone, I would have chosen one of the Samsung Galaxys.  The speaker phone is not as robust as my four year old Blackberry, and typing accurately on the thing is nigh impossible.  Add in the autocorrect and I may as well be typing gibberish.

I've only had the phone for a week, but I have noticed some significant delays on the touch screen when loading apps.  If I launch the browser I can go to the address bar immediately, but it takes a good 20 seconds before it will register a touch so I can enter a new address.  I'm not ready to blame the phone for that - for all I know I've configured something incorrectly somewhere.

Also, for some stupid reason, if you disable FaceTime, Siri won't dial numbers for you.  That's bullshiat.  We try to disable camera applications by default at work, but because of this little glitch I've got a spot of epoxy over the camera lens on the front of the phone.

Apple isn't going anywhere.  I have a solid laptop and a solid phone.  But since other companies have caught up to what they are offering, they'll have to work a little harder in the market.  That's life.
 
2013-04-23 09:45:43 PM  

skinink: They won't have that same luck if company growth really slows down.


They are growing at 10% and are making wide penetration into the Chinese market. I don't understand the doomsdayer view of this company. The shorts are obviously trying to kill the stock, but all they do is make money and it is not clear to me that their hold on digital music, phones, and computing is going to slip anywhere near what people think.

I do recognize the Mac vs. PC thing, especially here. However, as a company? I'd pick AAPL over MSFT any day of the week. It's just tough for the stock because absolutely everyone owned it and after/during the slide, everyone wanted to sell and lock in their profits/minimize losses as they saw everyone else selling.

In order for the stock to go back up, you'd have to convince those same people or new people to load back up again. Truth is, they are probably either burned from buying the top, or they locked in some great returns and moved onto other companies.

Gonna be tough for anyone holding this stock unless they can get some positive momentum. Which is hard, because just looking at their numbers, they say nothing but solid, if lowered growth going forward. Cook was right about one thing, with their past STELLAR numbers, it is goddamn hard to impress on earnings/margins from where they were just a few months ago.
 
2013-04-23 09:54:43 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: NewportBarGuy: Doubtful.

unfortunately, This.

It's pretty hard to imagine with the brainless legions they have still got bolstering their billions that they will be in any financial trouble any time soon. Worse comes to worse they can just pull a google or microsoft and buy up a bunch of other companies and rebrand em to keep a trickle coming in.


This - that huge pile of cash gives them an almost infinite set of options. They'll be around for another generation, at least. So will Microsoft, for that matter.
 
2013-04-23 09:59:38 PM  

Lsherm: I've only had the phone for a week, but I have noticed some significant delays on the touch screen when loading apps. If I launch the browser I can go to the address bar immediately, but it takes a good 20 seconds before it will register a touch so I can enter a new address. I'm not ready to blame the phone for that - for all I know I've configured something incorrectly somewhere.


Yeah, that's you. Mine doesn't do that.
 
2013-04-23 10:01:52 PM  

Shostie: It's been "the beginning of the end for Apple" for, like, 30 years now.


No, it was "the beginning of the end" 20 years ago.  Then they got Steve Jobs back, and it wasn't the beginning of the end any more.

Maybe they will get Steve Jobs back again soon?
 
2013-04-23 10:07:01 PM  
iPad sales were only up 65%.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-04-23 10:07:22 PM  

Shostie: Lsherm: I've only had the phone for a week, but I have noticed some significant delays on the touch screen when loading apps. If I launch the browser I can go to the address bar immediately, but it takes a good 20 seconds before it will register a touch so I can enter a new address. I'm not ready to blame the phone for that - for all I know I've configured something incorrectly somewhere.

Yeah, that's you. Mine doesn't do that.


No idea why mine is, but I just checked it again.  It's brand new.  I haven't installed shiat on it.

I'm just going to try for a full reset and start over.
 
2013-04-23 10:16:16 PM  
Is this like when Wired Magazine said Apple was doomed and that Sun Microsystems should buy them?
 
2013-04-23 10:22:47 PM  

Hollie Maea: Shostie: It's been "the beginning of the end for Apple" for, like, 30 years now.

No, it was "the beginning of the end" 20 years ago.  Then they got Steve Jobs back, and it wasn't the beginning of the end any more.

Maybe they will get Steve Jobs back again soon?


That window passed 563 days ago.
 
2013-04-23 10:30:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: Macs also hold resell value far more than a PC does of comparable age. 2009 Macbooks are selling for 800 bucks+ still.


if you can find a buyer that values forced obsolescence.
 
2013-04-23 10:32:45 PM  

Lsherm: Shostie: Lsherm: I've only had the phone for a week, but I have noticed some significant delays on the touch screen when loading apps. If I launch the browser I can go to the address bar immediately, but it takes a good 20 seconds before it will register a touch so I can enter a new address. I'm not ready to blame the phone for that - for all I know I've configured something incorrectly somewhere.

Yeah, that's you. Mine doesn't do that.

No idea why mine is, but I just checked it again.  It's brand new.  I haven't installed shiat on it.

I'm just going to try for a full reset and start over.


As for the keyboard thing, try TouchPal with T+ mode. I have it on my galaxy and I checked it's available for iOS too. Takes a bit to get used to and can be a bit buggy at times but it's GREAT for those with fat fingers.
 
2013-04-23 10:34:57 PM  
Apple will file for bankruptcy in 2017   Apple will have dissipated its cash horde on dividends and stock buybacks and the lack and failure of iProduct(s) will have drained the revenue pipeline and destroyed the brand.   The company's balance sheet will be loaded with debt.  Chapter 11 process will constitute the most strategic option for Apple at that time.   Apple will follow Atari into oblivion.
 
2013-04-23 10:42:03 PM  

Altair: That's the problem with relying on trendy products a marketing genius with pancreatic cancer.  Eventually, you're no longer hip/cool he dies..



ftfy
 
2013-04-23 10:50:38 PM  

SamWaters: Apple will file for bankruptcy in 2017   Apple will have dissipated its cash horde on dividends and stock buybacks and the lack and failure of iProduct(s) will have drained the revenue pipeline and destroyed the brand.   The company's balance sheet will be loaded with debt.  Chapter 11 process will constitute the most strategic option for Apple at that time.   Apple will follow Atari into oblivion.


Yes, this will come after Sony falls in '15 and Nintendo falls in '16. This will be followed by Westinghouse becoming the leader in both the cell phone and video game industries.
 
2013-04-23 11:01:47 PM  
"Well, we're out of ideas."
"Is it time?"
"Yes."
"Bring in Zombie Jobs."
"Braiiinnnnssss."
"Hmm. Zombie Jobs has a point. The next big thing is human to brain interfaces. What do you think Tim?"
"iBrain?"
"I like it. Steve, anything else to add?"
"Brainnnnsssss. But the device has to be small and compact, no bigger than my rotting finger."
"Deal."
"And get me some f*cking brains. I'm hungry. Make sure they are Vegan."
 
2013-04-23 11:06:10 PM  
Somehow this is all Windows 8's fault.
 
2013-04-23 11:12:51 PM  
First it was Microsoft then Apple, two days from now it will be Google
 
2013-04-23 11:16:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: Altair: Quality products sold at an affordable price on the other hand....

My last mac laptop lasted five years, and I gave it to my mom because her desktop died. I've never had a PC laptop last more than one without some crack or damage to the case, or without having to replace a hard drive or memory module.

Macs also hold resell value far more than a PC does of comparable age. 2009 Macbooks are selling for 800 bucks+ still.

The thing is that while you pay more for a Mac, (GENERALLY) you get a quality product that lasts due to it's construction.


I have a powerbook from 2003. Had to have the display replaced, dropped many times, but still is reasonably fast. On the other hand, at work I've gone through five high end Dells over the same period of time. Do the math.

I work at a government research lab, and teach part time at a university. At both those places the vast majority of computers are Macs. Lets see, scientists + college educated people = Macs != windoze. I have alot of stock in AAPL. Yeah, its gone down, but in the long run I think the demographics favor Apple.

/I hope.
 
2013-04-23 11:16:42 PM  

SamWaters: Apple will file for bankruptcy in 2017   Apple will have dissipated its cash horde on dividends and stock buybacks and the lack and failure of iProduct(s) will have drained the revenue pipeline and destroyed the brand.   The company's balance sheet will be loaded with debt.  Chapter 11 process will constitute the most strategic option for Apple at that time.   Apple will follow Atari into oblivion.


I thought pretty much the same thing when Apple came out with the iPod, again when they got into the phone business, and again when they came out with the iPad, and they proved me wrong each time. I seriously doubt Apple will go Chapter 11 this decade and I certainly wouldn't bet against them coming up with something new at some point.

Apple might not regain it's status as a Wall St growth all star, but that doesn't make them walking dead. Companies mature from a high growth phase to a cash cow phase. So what if it becomes another boring company that pays out consistent dividends. That's fine as long as they don't waste tens of billions of $ on bad investments in a vain attempt to rekindle high growth like Microsoft has over the past decade+.

/posted from my iPhone
 
2013-04-23 11:22:16 PM  

cybrwzrd: SamWaters: Apple will file for bankruptcy in 2017   Apple will have dissipated its cash horde on dividends and stock buybacks and the lack and failure of iProduct(s) will have drained the revenue pipeline and destroyed the brand.   The company's balance sheet will be loaded with debt.  Chapter 11 process will constitute the most strategic option for Apple at that time.   Apple will follow Atari into oblivion.

Yes, this will come after Sony falls in '15 and Nintendo falls in '16. This will be followed by Westinghouse becoming the leader in both the cell phone and video game industries.


Yesterday's chump is tomorrow's champ. You realize LG is Lucky Goldstar, right?
 
2013-04-23 11:28:54 PM  
It's the beginning of the end for Apple

I guess it depends on what you mean by "the end".  The end of Apple's stock price rapidly growing to unsustainable levels?  Sure.  The end of Apple creating new markets within the consumer technology segment and being ridiculously successful at it?  Maybe.  The end of the company's existence?  Doubtful.
 
2013-04-23 11:39:22 PM  
I bought my Late 2009 iMac as a refurb for $1250 from Apple in 2010, and it has been a really nice computer overall, especially after I bumped the RAM up to 16 GB. Reasonably fast, and if I boot into Windows I can even play some older games on Steam at decent settings since it came with a 512 MB Radeon 4850. The really handy part is that it has a DisplayPort input, so I can plug in work Lenovo and use it as a monitor (and it is a NICE monitor since it is a 27" IPS at 2560 x 1440 resolution). When I bought it, I considered building a new PC, but when I started pricing out the refurbs, with the 27" I was basically buying the monitor and getting the computer for a few hundred bucks extra, since similar Dell 27" monitors were hovering around $1000 at the time.
 
2013-04-23 11:39:42 PM  

SamWaters: Apple will file for bankruptcy in 2017   Apple will have dissipated its cash horde on dividends and stock buybacks and the lack and failure of iProduct(s) will have drained the revenue pipeline and destroyed the brand.   The company's balance sheet will be loaded with debt.  Chapter 11 process will constitute the most strategic option for Apple at that time.   Apple will follow Atari into oblivion.


Wow, what other "hot tips" do you have so I can do the exact opposite.

Considering their success with iTunes and locking people in via app purchases that can only be used by their devices, they are going to be around for a looooong time.  OSX and iOS will eventually merge (like windows and linux at some point) and it wouldn't be surprising to see them roll out ARM notebooks (Mac Helium or something) with insane battery life that are lighter than the air that will dominate ChromeOS due to all the existing apps.

This is coming from a Win 7 guy.  They are really undervalued right now and they had a great quarter.  All these analysts need to DIF with all their arbitrary earnings numbers.  Can't spell analyst without anal.
 
2013-04-23 11:41:38 PM  

GardenWeasel: Yesterday's chump is tomorrow's champ. You realize LG is Lucky Goldstar, right?


As a kid growing up in the 90's, I used to obsess over having a kickass home stereo system.  I remember going to Sears with my parents and browsing the crap they passed as electronics, and always smirking at the POS integrated systems by Goldstar.  If only had I known that instead of blowing all of my cash on Kenwood components and JBL speakers and subs, investing the cash into Goldstar would have made me one very wealthy person at my age.  Ah well.
 
2013-04-23 11:43:59 PM  

enemy of the state: I have a powerbook from 2003. Had to have the display replaced, dropped many times, but still is reasonably fast. On the other hand, at work I've gone through five high end Dells over the same period of time. Do the math.


All that tells me is that you don't use your powerbook for anything beyond spreadsheets and word processing.  If you did, your powerbook from 2003 would be woefully inadequate.

Apple isn't even supporting your powerbook anymore.  Do you browse the web with it?  That's the old motorola processor, which means you aren't running anything past the first release of OSX.  You'd have to be running, at best, IE released for OS9 because Apple didn't have Safari for proper release until the Intel models came out.
 
2013-04-23 11:50:25 PM  

Brontes: OSX and iOS will eventually merge (like windows and linux at some point) and it wouldn't be surprising to see them roll out ARM notebooks (Mac Helium or something) with insane battery life that are lighter than the air that will dominate ChromeOS due to all the existing apps.


Wat...  By "some point" do you mean "not in our lifetimes, if ever"?  Microsoft has created two brand new, non-x86 OSes over the past two years - Windows 8 Phone and Windows 8 RT - both without any Linux based code.  If that didn't convince them to step over into the dark side, what will it take?
 
2013-04-23 11:53:41 PM  
hardinparamedic


Altair: Quality products sold at an affordable price on the other hand....

My last mac laptop lasted five years, and I gave it to my mom because her desktop died. I've never had a PC laptop last more than one without some crack or damage to the case, or without having to replace a hard drive or memory module.

Macs also hold resell value far more than a PC does of comparable age. 2009 Macbooks are selling for 800 bucks+ still.

The thing is that while you pay more for a Mac, (GENERALLY) you get a quality product that lasts due to it's construction.


My home Windows PC was assembled in 2005, I have a laptop from 2002 (although dreadfully slow). How about instead of praising Apple construction quality since they are made at the same place as everything else, you take better care of your shiat.

I will not argue resale value... people pay thousands for comic books.
 
2013-04-23 11:59:27 PM  
The way I see it, in two years Apple will either be trading at $1200/sh or $200/sh. Please send my analyst paycheck payable to Kingflower. In the meantime, please continue to post Samsung sponsored click-bait FUD as it is very popular on theFark.com.
 
2013-04-23 11:59:49 PM  

valkore: Brontes: OSX and iOS will eventually merge (like windows and linux at some point) and it wouldn't be surprising to see them roll out ARM notebooks (Mac Helium or something) with insane battery life that are lighter than the air that will dominate ChromeOS due to all the existing apps.

Wat...  By "some point" do you mean "not in our lifetimes, if ever"?  Microsoft has created two brand new, non-x86 OSes over the past two years - Windows 8 Phone and Windows 8 RT - both without any Linux based code.  If that didn't convince them to step over into the dark side, what will it take?


Microsoft is definitely working on a unified App system.  Ubuntu phone is going to try and tie desktop Ubuntu to mobile Ubuntu.  It's only a matter of time before the libraries exist for each architecture and the the dev has to hit "Compile" and it spits out an ARM binary and an x86/x64 binary.
 
2013-04-24 12:15:46 AM  

hardinparamedic: Altair: Quality products sold at an affordable price on the other hand....

My last mac laptop lasted five years, and I gave it to my mom because her desktop died. I've never had a PC laptop last more than one without some crack or damage to the case, or without having to replace a hard drive or memory module.

Macs also hold resell value far more than a PC does of comparable age. 2009 Macbooks are selling for 800 bucks+ still.

The thing is that while you pay more for a Mac, (GENERALLY) you get a quality product that lasts due to it's construction.


The same hard drive that's in your Mac can be purchased for pc. They all will fail.
/has an 80gb from 2005 that still runs.
//like both pc and Mac.
///no need for tablets here in my world.
 
2013-04-24 12:19:40 AM  

Lsherm: hardinparamedic: 2009 Macbooks are selling for 800 bucks+ still.

Oof, maybe the Pros.  The white case Macbooks aren't going for that.

My office just recently bought me my new round of "equipment" - a 15 inch Macbook Pro Retina and an iPhone 5.  They are both fantastic and disappointing at the same time.

The MBP retina is a little bit of a ripoff.  Apple has a crazy high resolution for the screen, but since they use a pixel multiplier you only get 1440x900 usable screen space in the "native" resolution.  Sure, everything looks clear, but if you're looking for more screen real estate, you have to switch to non-native modes that burn out the battery quicker.  I would have been better off sticking with the 1680x1050 standard model even though it's a little bigger.  But that's for my particular use as a desktop replacement.  Since I'm an entirely mobile employee, I don't have the option of plugging into a larger monitor.  The highest general resolution you can use is 1920x1200, which is just your standard 16:10 LCD.  I'm not sure it was worth the extra cost, but it does look nice.

As for the the iPhone - I was our company's main BES administrator for years, which meant I was stuck with a Blackberry, which meant my phone sucked.  The iPhone 5 is amazing in that regard, but I have fat sausage fingers, and it's just a touch too small to hold in my hands and type accurately.  I worked construction and laid carpet for a decade before I got into IT, so my fingers aren't dainty anymore.  Based on my hands, I should be an Irish butcher.

That's not Apple's fault, but if I had a chance to go back and request another phone, I would have chosen one of the Samsung Galaxys.  The speaker phone is not as robust as my four year old Blackberry, and typing accurately on the thing is nigh impossible.  Add in the autocorrect and I may as well be typing gibberish.

I've only had the phone for a week, but I have noticed some significant delays on the touch screen when loading apps.  If I launch the browser I can go to the address bar immediately, but it takes a good 20 seconds before it will register a touch so I can enter a new address.  I'm not ready to blame the phone for that - for all I know I've configured something incorrectly somewhere.

Also, for some stupid reason, if you disable FaceTime, Siri won't dial numbers for you.  That's bullshiat.  We try to disable camera applications by default at work, but because of this little glitch I've got a spot of epoxy over the camera lens on the front of the phone.

Apple isn't going anywhere.  I have a solid laptop and a solid phone.  But since other companies have caught up to what they are offering, they'll have to work a little harder in the market.  That's life.


They make some programs that allow you to just move your thumb over the keys and words are formed by using a dictionary.
I'm on android, and use Swype. I think they have a version for Mac. But if not, there are others out there for iPhone.
 
2013-04-24 12:26:19 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: How about instead of praising Apple construction quality since they are made at the same place as everything else, you take better care of your shiat.


Given that a few contract manufacturers basically build everything, why do Apple's products have a reputation for lower trouble/failure rates?  Does everyone else in the industry just have piss-poor or non-existent quality control?  I read the other day about Apple sending millions of iPhones back to their contract manufacturer because they weren't up to spec in some way.  Conversely, a colleague at a large Maryland newspaper told me that they outfitted their newsroom with all-in-ones a few years back, only to have the same board fail in all of them - because the boards had come from a shipment that wasn't removed from the supply chain after sitting under a leaky roof in a warehouse.
 
2013-04-24 12:42:00 AM  
Random Anonymous Blackmail:
How about instead of praising Apple construction quality since they are made at the same place as everything else, you take better care of your shiat.

I will not argue resale value... people pay thousands for comic books.


Have you seen how a new Apple laptop is made?! Those things are machined out of billet aluminum.

I don't see that from a typical Dell or Lenovo.
 
2013-04-24 12:52:27 AM  

Lsherm: enemy of the state: I have a powerbook from 2003. Had to have the display replaced, dropped many times, but still is reasonably fast. On the other hand, at work I've gone through five high end Dells over the same period of time. Do the math.

All that tells me is that you don't use your powerbook for anything beyond spreadsheets and word processing.  If you did, your powerbook from 2003 would be woefully inadequate.

Apple isn't even supporting your powerbook anymore.  Do you browse the web with it?  That's the old motorola processor, which means you aren't running anything past the first release of OSX.  You'd have to be running, at best, IE released for OS9 because Apple didn't have Safari for proper release until the Intel models came out.


FYI, a 2003-model PowerBook G4 was supported all the way through Leopard, OS X 10.5, which was a mature release of OS X with a fairly up to date version of Safari, iTunes, and most of the same goodies a modern Mac user is used to. Hell, visually the UI isn't even all that different from Mountain Lion.
 
2013-04-24 01:17:59 AM  
Apple was the artisanal product of an artist. He died. Now the MBAs are in charge again.

It's like having your favorite brewery bought out by InBev. You are price insensitive with regard to the premium product, then the other players start putting out similar products that are almost as good. Then your original product becomes only as good as the other things you are allowed to consume.

Now is the time to bankroll a new artisanal electronics company.
 
2013-04-24 01:31:16 AM  

baorao: hardinparamedic: Macs also hold resell value far more than a PC does of comparable age. 2009 Macbooks are selling for 800 bucks+ still.

if you can find a buyer that values forced obsolescence.


My 2006 Macbook is obsolete? Stop talking out your ass.
 
2013-04-24 01:35:11 AM  
Just pull the handle and I'm gone!

www.mom4real.com
 
2013-04-24 01:53:01 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: How about instead of praising Apple construction quality since they are made at the same place as everything else, you take better care of your shiat.


Wow. That escalated quickly.

I buy laptops that can do everything a desktop can do - especially game. In that regard, up until recently, I've used a macbook because I learned a long time ago that metal-cased laptops hold up a lot better, and they tend to have better graphics cards than  the comparable PC laptop systems which are metal cased that I've found (which either tend to be underpowered AMDs, or Intel Graphics).

However, at this point, I won't buy a Mac Pro period. They've gotten rid of the integral CD/DVD drives, and have gone from traditional hard drives to SSDs, which cost an assload comparatively and CANNOT be upgraded.
 
2013-04-24 01:54:30 AM  

hardinparamedic: I've never had a PC laptop last more than one without some crack or damage to the case, or without having to replace a hard drive or memory module.


That's the fault of whomever manufactured your hard drive or RAM, not because it was a PC. As you know, Macs and PCs share the same basic innards, and Mac drives aren't magically superior. It's still a Seagate or whatever, and still prone to failure. However, you are correct that the build quality tends to be higher on Apple gear. There are plenty of PC laptops with similarly robust builds, but you're not getting it for $600 at Best Buy.
 
2013-04-24 02:44:24 AM  

wildcardjack: Apple was the artisanal product of an artist. He died. Now the MBAs are in charge again.


i251.photobucket.com

/i've gotten to use this twice tonight!
 
2013-04-24 02:46:19 AM  
Android fanboy reading this on my iPad , so getting a kick
 
2013-04-24 02:48:09 AM  

Lsherm: The MBP retina is a little bit of a ripoff.


I can't hire people unless I offer them this laptop.  The combination of a real OS and the screen is what closes the deal.  Apple can charge twice for this laptop and people will still pay for it.  That's not because of marketing - its because of quality and reliability.

/typed on the MBP retina
 
2013-04-24 04:40:36 AM  

hardinparamedic: However, at this point, I won't buy a Mac Pro period. They've gotten rid of the integral CD/DVD drives, and have gone from traditional hard drives to SSDs, which cost an assload comparatively and CANNOT be upgraded.


This reminds me of when the iPhone first came out and one of the biggest criticisms was the fact that you couldn't replace its battery.   I guess isn't much of a problem is it?

Are you REALLY complaining about the absence of a DVD drive and traditional HD?  Seriously?  Are you going to burn your apps to DVD?
 
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