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2013-04-23 04:48:58 PM
22 votes:
so, this is OK, but abortion is murder?
2013-04-23 07:54:35 PM
8 votes:
No matter one's personal theology (or lack thereof) I think we can all agree that if there is an afterlife these snapperheads have a permanent reservation in the room by the elevator in the most disused wing of the Endless Vuvuzela & Pan Flute Orchestra covers "Nickleback" Concert building adjacent to the Never-Ceasing Rerun of "Batman & Robin" Screen next to the Lake of Burning Hobo Semen where the roving Octo-Penised Rapenocerouses always have full bottles of Cialis.
2013-04-23 09:05:21 PM
7 votes:

ManateeGag: so, this is OK, but abortion is murder?


You have to understand something about the Anti-abortion movement. It's not about "unborn life" in the least. It's about forcing births - both to "punish" people they view as sinful for their acts, and to have more of a base to build their followers upon. Especially when you delve into the pro-birthers that subscribe to the "Christian identity" and "Quiverfull" phillosophies, they care about breeding followers for their "Army of God". They care fark-all about those babies after they are spit out from the womb - this shows in the typical overlap of beliefs against intervention against socioeconomic disparity and the lack of healthcare.

This is why no one should be using pro-life to describe these people. They do NOT care about that life after it's quiefed out.
2013-04-23 10:01:40 PM
6 votes:
A man was in his three-story house one day when a flood started. After a bit, a police car came by and the policemen asked him to evacuate with them so that he would be saved. He said, "No thanks - I will pray and God will save me."

The water kept coming up, and the man went upstairs and leaned out his window. A fire department boat came by, and the fireman asked him to get in so that he would be saved. Again, the man said, "No thanks - I will pray and God will save me."

The water kept coming, and the man was forced up to his roof. A Coast Guard helicopter came by, and a rescue swimmer came down to offer the man a hand up. But the man waved the swimmer off, and he shouted up as loud as he could "I will pray and God will save me!"

The house was quickly washed away, and the man drowned.

At Judgement, the man asked God why God had not saved him, and God replied "I sent a car, a boat, and a helicopter - what more did you want?"

This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches - I've heard it dozens of times. It's a shame these wackjobs hadn't. If God is good and God is everywhere, then God is in the doctors and the hospitals and the four bucks worth of generic antibiotics that would have saved your son's life, you monsters.
2013-04-23 09:17:44 PM
6 votes:
Science flies people to the moon. Religion flies people into buildings.
2013-04-23 09:09:39 PM
6 votes:
More evidence that religion is child abuse.  This is perhaps the most heinous of examples.  But parents who teach their children that the earth is 6,000 years old, God hates them queers, etc. are other examples.  But even something as innocuous as faith being a legitimate substitute for evidence or teaching kids to believe in supernatural causes (the basis of religion) leaves impressionable young minds handicapped in the real world.

Religion IS child abuse.
2013-04-23 09:46:33 PM
5 votes:

IntertubeUser: More evidence that religion is child abuse.  This is perhaps the most heinous of examples.  But parents who teach their children that the earth is 6,000 years old, God hates them queers, etc. are other examples.  But even something as innocuous as faith being a legitimate substitute for evidence or teaching kids to believe in supernatural causes (the basis of religion) leaves impressionable young minds handicapped in the real world.

Religion IS child abuse.


I think that's needs to be qualified. Religion itself is not the problem.  It's an idea. You can't get rid of ideas.  We were once going to bomb Communism out of existence in Vietnam. That was a stated goal. How did that work out?

It's the creators and practitioners of various religion that we should take issue with.

We're all down on Catholicism because of pedophilia, right? I rent 3 houses to Catholic Communities Charities Services.  Have for a while.  They do good things.  Very similar to the Section 8 program. Should I have said no because it was Catholic? By the way the Catholic church feeds a lot of people. In the 6 to 7 digit range. Say no to it?

These people are nutters, but don't paint a broad stroke against religion. Get after the nutters. Most religious people feel an obligation to do the golden rule.
2013-04-23 08:58:05 PM
5 votes:

rmatthewware: Every group of people that becomes large enough will have their nuts.  Most Christians aren't like this.  Most of us wouldn't let a child suffer.  If you want to condemn these people, I'll be right there with you.  But don't blame Christianity because some of his followers are idiots.


Christian Scientists and people who follow that belief are to Christianity  what Islamofascism is to Islam. It's fundamentalism, and most people aren't that stupid that they can't seperate the two. On the other hand, this seems to be a selective argument people make when THEIR chosen favorite religious belief is under attack, and not the more popular to hate one.

At any rate, rationality and tolerance does not mean that people have to tolerate intolerance and stupidity.
2013-04-23 09:15:46 PM
4 votes:
There's a guy in my office who is one of these religious nutbags. No modern medicine, just prayer. He was out once for 2 weeks with some hard cold. And he's got three kids in elementary school, so god knows what kinda sick they are bringing home with them. I think he's insane.

The parents here should be prosecuted for longer than 10 years. Like maybe 50. This goes up there with promoting that vaccinations will make your kids autistic.

fark em
2013-04-23 08:28:29 PM
4 votes:
BUT PERSONAL FREEDOM WHARGARBL! (No, really. There are people who defend the practice of killing children in this manner as the religious freedom of the parents.)

I feel like things like this need to be viewed under the doctrine of "Where my nose begins is the place your right to swing stops.", so to speak. Children are not able to give informed consent, and are not able until at least the age of 10 to understand the gravity in the majority of cases of eskewing proven, life-saving medical care.

I also feel that when you want to treat your dying child using prayer, versus effective and proven therapies, it's the point where the courts and medical professionals need to step in. Letting a child die of DKA because you want to pray the sugars away is assinine.
2013-04-23 09:34:55 PM
3 votes:
Prayer.. as effective as homeowners with guns in keeping crime down.
2013-04-23 09:34:01 PM
3 votes:
I am completely fed up with your insane, stupid p, illogical belief in an imaginary being putting REAL people in harms way. This bullshiat, perfectly legal. Weed? No. Two gay men want to get married? No. Seriously. LETS STOP TOLERATING this goat rodeo. Illiterate sheep farmers in the desert during the Stone Age have not a farking clue about how to live life in 2013.
2013-04-23 09:27:15 PM
3 votes:
Being religious is one thing, but being willfully ignorant is... pretty much the same thing.
2013-04-23 09:21:23 PM
3 votes:
www.nationnews.com

They obviously prayed to the wrong god
2013-04-23 09:17:41 PM
3 votes:
Sterilize both of them so they can't reproduce again. If their prayers cure that then they can have kids again.
2013-04-23 08:55:30 PM
3 votes:
Imagine if they were Muslim.....
2013-04-24 03:01:33 AM
2 votes:
God: "I sent you doctors and miraculous medicines. What more was I supposed to do? Why do you insist on me performing magic tricks when I have given you the ability to help yourselves?"

/hope these people rot in jail forever
2013-04-24 12:05:27 AM
2 votes:
www.explosm.net
2013-04-23 10:30:30 PM
2 votes:
My adoptive parents were the same variety of derp of these two asshole parents.  When my dad broke my nose, he let it heal on it's own.  I prayed for days for the pain to stop - didn't happen.  At the tender age of 7 that was the incident that started to open my eyes that my adoptive parents were full of shiat.  Hopefully their surviving children are able to get out and stay of that craziness.
2013-04-23 09:54:17 PM
2 votes:
So long as the minimum prerequisite for parenthood is penis and vagina, this will occur. Go visit a neonatal intensive care unit and easily half those babies fetuses are there because of teenage motherhood, smoking, drugs, lack of prenatal care, etc. Now that I think of it, that's probably true for special ed classes and prison as well.
2013-04-23 09:37:04 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-04-23 09:23:30 PM
2 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Abox: FTA they could face a prison sentence as long as 10 years.

And like Job, retaining faith despite continued misery by God's hand.

I think you spelled Satan wrong...

/Fark, I am disappoint - I thought you knew your bibles... so you could bash it more effectively.


I think you didn't read your Bible.  Everything that happened to Job was by God's hand, so he could win an argument with Satan.
2013-04-23 09:13:22 PM
2 votes:
There's no excuse for this. i come from a little farm town in East Texas - and most of the people around there were deeply religious, and not exactly Mensa members, either. I doubt my grandmother ever read a book other than the Bible in her life.
But when they got sick, or hurt badly, they WENT TO A DAMN DOCTOR.
Religion does not excuse this in any way, shape, or form.
2013-04-23 09:13:14 PM
2 votes:
Religion, proving that vaccinations aren't the actual cause of retardation.
2013-04-23 09:09:50 PM
2 votes:
i303.photobucket.com
2013-04-23 08:59:57 PM
2 votes:

rmatthewware: Most Christians aren't like this.  Most of us wouldn't let a child suffer.  ...... But don't blame Christianity because some of his followers are idiots.


Who are you talking to?  I realize fark is rich in athiests and agnostics, but almost all of us recognize that most Christians are reasonable people.  You are like 75% of the US population after all.  There would be huge problems if most of you never went to or took your kids to hospitals.
2013-04-23 08:58:46 PM
2 votes:

rmatthewware: Every group of people that becomes large enough will have their nuts.  Most Christians aren't like this.  Most of us wouldn't let a child suffer.  If you want to condemn these people, I'll be right there with you.  But don't blame Christianity because some of his followers are idiots.


SOME?
2013-04-23 08:54:11 PM
2 votes:
Every group of people that becomes large enough will have their nuts.  Most Christians aren't like this.  Most of us wouldn't let a child suffer.  If you want to condemn these people, I'll be right there with you.  But don't blame Christianity because some of his followers are idiots.
2013-04-23 08:47:28 PM
2 votes:
The amazing part is that they have 7 other children that have survived thus far without falling prey to their parent's stupidity
2013-04-23 08:06:19 PM
2 votes:
A stampede of wild elephants?
In their living room?
Between 3:55 and 4:00 PM?
On the Fourth of July?
During a hail storm?


/and one baby zebra
2013-04-23 07:52:56 PM
2 votes:
They were convicted of involuntary manslaughter the first time.

/hope they get Murder One with life for this one
2013-04-24 02:10:36 AM
1 votes:

tuna fingers: djkutch:

....mentioning catholicism...

These people are nutters, but don't paint a broad stroke against religion. Get after the nutters. Most religious people feel an obligation to do the golden rule.

If you don't mind, I'd like to interject something about Catholicism as I knew it growing up.  Somehow in my youth I went to a progressive parish that focused on social justice.  The sermons derived to helping the poor and doing good deeds and doing good deeds and assisting the poor, and pray to god.  It wasn't until high school that I learned my cousins encountered a different Catholicism.  A righteous, anti-abortion, brimstone and fire Catholicism.  I think my liberal Catholicism is vanishing... I think the Vatican II  (initially anyway) allowed for some progressive teachings.
I think that is gone now.
I don't really give a fark anymore, as I no longer believe in shiat, but I just know that I had a different upraising of what the church was/could be in the 70s and 80s.


I am a Seattle liberal catholic too. Masses were ardently anti war and anti discrimination. They focused on eliminating the death penalty and increasing access to healthcare. Then like you, I met the nutters who begin and end with abortion. What an embarrassment.
2013-04-24 01:22:38 AM
1 votes:

Shedim: TheOtherMisterP: RedWineBuzz: Science flies people to the moon. Religion flies people into buildings.

And what's the first thing Buzz Aldrin did when he got to the moon? He celebrated Communion.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


It is true:  http://www.snopes.com/glurge/communion.asp

But he didn't get to the moon by praying. He got to the moon through science. Religion simply provides some people a guilt-free way to be douchebags to each other, under the guise of righeteousness, and others inspiration.

As the quote goes: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion" - Steven Weinberg
2013-04-24 12:19:32 AM
1 votes:
The real punchline to the joke is that God THEN said "But I'm sending you to hell anyway for that one time when you were 15 and you masturbated while thinking of Tom Selleck."
2013-04-24 12:16:00 AM
1 votes:

jst3p: theknuckler_33: jst3p: theknuckler_33: That is entirely my point. It was a joke and only a joke. My issue was only with the statement that the joke was preached as some sort of standard Catholic (or any other Christian) teaching. I've made this point several times and is the only point I've wanted to make. For some reason, my point is not being acknowledged for what it is.

For what it is worth: I have been part of some pretty lax congregations. It would be a stretch to call it a "Common Catholic parable" but if I haven't heard heard that joke in church (I heard it so long ago I don't remember where it was) I have heard ones similar. It isn't offensive and it makes a good point about God working for us in unexpected and simple ways. A good message to send since the same God that used to perform major miracles that would make crowds get down on bended knee is shy now that there are camcorders and cell phone cams.

It isn't unreasonable to think this joke was told in church, particularly with more contemporary non-denominationals out there.
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Oh for goodness sakes. Fine. Mainstream religions preach that God tells people who pray to him for... whatever... that they are morans for not taking advantage of secular solutions to problems they face.

skullcrusher. this is as close as you are going to get. I suggest accepting this apology.


I don't need an apology, he didn't say anything to me. I think he just misinterpreted the story. God sent us to help him interpret it correctly. ;)
2013-04-24 12:12:47 AM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: jst3p: theknuckler_33: That is entirely my point. It was a joke and only a joke. My issue was only with the statement that the joke was preached as some sort of standard Catholic (or any other Christian) teaching. I've made this point several times and is the only point I've wanted to make. For some reason, my point is not being acknowledged for what it is.

For what it is worth: I have been part of some pretty lax congregations. It would be a stretch to call it a "Common Catholic parable" but if I haven't heard heard that joke in church (I heard it so long ago I don't remember where it was) I have heard ones similar. It isn't offensive and it makes a good point about God working for us in unexpected and simple ways. A good message to send since the same God that used to perform major miracles that would make crowds get down on bended knee is shy now that there are camcorders and cell phone cams.

It isn't unreasonable to think this joke was told in church, particularly with more contemporary non-denominationals out there.
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Oh for goodness sakes. Fine. Mainstream religions preach that God tells people who pray to him for... whatever... that they are morans for not taking advantage of secular solutions to problems they face.


holy shiat (no pun intended).
The point of the story is that God sent the help but the guy was too busy looking for a miraculous solution so he ignored the mundane ways that God works in your life.
NOW do you see why it isn't insulting?
2013-04-24 12:11:00 AM
1 votes:
Oh for goodness sake, would you just drop it  theknuckler_33 about the freakin joke. The guy already said that he doesn't know where he heard it, except possibly in church. The fact that you're making such a big freaking deal about it is absurd. I don't have a Catholic education but I have gone to church for the past 19 or so years and I can verify that a lot of the ministers use jokes every now and then, either on the pulpit or for kids. It's just a cute christian themed joke, if it was an athiest joke, it wouldn't portray God as wise or actually trying to help the guy, it wouldn't have God being there at all. The fact that you think that it is a point that needs to be hammered in is annoying. Yes, the guy obviously doesn't know what goes on in all Catholic churches and maybe the church you went to, the priest never strayed from just reading the Bible but he wasn't making a thesis for God's sake, if it was a little off, so what. The message was relevant and funny. Geez
2013-04-24 12:07:26 AM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Priests don't make joke that mock God. You get the joke, right? God is telling the guy that he's an idiot, right? That's not the kind of God that they preach at church. You get that, right?


seriously? God will condemn someone to hell for eternity but won't offer a gentle rebuke? God is telling the guy that he tried to help but he wouldn't open his eyes to the obvious.

Does the footprints in the sand story piss you off too because it's Jesus calling the person lazy so he has to carry him? WTF dude?
2013-04-24 12:06:09 AM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: That is entirely my point. It was a joke and only a joke. My issue was only with the statement that the joke was preached as some sort of standard Catholic (or any other Christian) teaching. I've made this point several times and is the only point I've wanted to make. For some reason, my point is not being acknowledged for what it is.

you never heard a joke made from the pulpit? I don't think it appears in the catechism anywhere but you've had a few people in this thread who are very familiar with it - who may or may not have heard it in church - and it is in no way contrary to any Church teaching and in fact supports what we learned in Catholic school and therefore could quite legitimately be used during a homily.

Priests don't make joke that mock God. You get the joke, right?  God is telling the guy that he's an idiot, right? That's not the kind of God that they preach at church. You get that, right?


No, God is telling the guy that sometimes He helps us in mundane ways and we need to be on the look out for it. I find your claim, that priests wouldn't tell this joke, absurd. Google it out, there are tons of references to priests and pastors telling this joke.
2013-04-23 11:56:51 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: As someone who went through 12 years of Catholic eduction, was an alter-boy for 5 years, marched in May Day ceremonies for several years

is that when they made you the communist you are today? ;)

theknuckler_33: It is impossible for me to acknowledge that anyone cannot recognize that 'parable' as anything other than a slap in the face to anyone who believes in God. What could possibly be the lesson of that parable to a Catholic or any Christian?!? That story is preposterous from a theological standpoint. It mocks religion entirely. For goodness sakes, it is an atheist joke about religion.

dude, chill out. There's nothing insulting or mocking of religion in that story. It's a joke mocking the fool who fervently prays and waits for the miraculous while ignoring the real life impact God has on his life. It mocks the moron who prays for a change in his life while ignoring the opportunities to realize that change.

That is entirely my point. It was a joke and only a joke. My issue was only with the statement that the joke was preached as some sort of standard Catholic (or any other Christian) teaching. I've made this point several times and is the only point I've wanted to make. For some reason, my point is not being acknowledged for what it is.


you never heard a joke made from the pulpit? I don't think it appears in the catechism anywhere but you've had a few people in this thread who are very familiar with it - who may or may not have heard it in church - and it is in no way contrary to any Church teaching and in fact supports what we learned in Catholic school and therefore could quite legitimately be used during a homily.
2013-04-23 11:43:35 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: As someone who went through 12 years of Catholic eduction, was an alter-boy for 5 years, marched in May Day ceremonies for several years


is that when they made you the communist you are today? ;)

theknuckler_33: It is impossible for me to acknowledge that anyone cannot recognize that 'parable' as anything other than a slap in the face to anyone who believes in God. What could possibly be the lesson of that parable to a Catholic or any Christian?!? That story is preposterous from a theological standpoint. It mocks religion entirely. For goodness sakes, it is an atheist joke about religion.


dude, chill out. There's nothing insulting or mocking of religion in that story. It's a joke mocking the fool who fervently prays and waits for the miraculous while ignoring the real life impact God has on his life. It mocks the moron who prays for a change in his life while ignoring the opportunities to realize that change.
The alternative to that story is what we have in TFA. THAT is far more insulting to religion than this story. That belief that an omnipotent God is only capable of working in miraculous ways, rather than through people who use their God given talents and the knowledge gained from the God given talents of those who went before to make "miracles" happen.
2013-04-23 11:36:14 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: I misunderstood your post big time. I'm only commenting about the idea that the 'parable' is actually some sort of teaching or sermon or whatever in the Catholic (or any other) church. It is so obviously nothing more than a joke. Crap, I have no desire to defend Caholics or Christians, in general, but that statement struck me the wrong way. That stupid joke is not any kind of teaching or whatever in any church anywhere ever. It is a stupid joke.


maybe I heard it from my drunk uncle, as I said. I could also see it as part of a "God wants you to be all you can be and to strive for goals rather than waiting for him to take care of everything" sermon too so I am really not ready to call it bullshiat.

In any case, it is clearly a good lesson beyond the "stupid joke" aspect. No matter how religious you are, no matter how hard you pray, if you don't take action and take advantage of opportunities as they arise, you're gonna fail. This is basically what his point was - these jackasses didn't have this mindset and believe God is omnipresent but can't recognize God in the mundane world of medicine and technology. No religious service I've ever attended has preached such a thing, therefore I am not surprised to hear that people have heard this story at church
2013-04-23 11:26:27 PM
1 votes:

boozehat: Bonobo62: Idiots. Laughter is the best medicine. Not prayer. Laughter. Prayer is only the third-best medicine.

i'll bite....

what's the second?

or is this like #2 with the underpants nomes?


Number two is actual medicine. Though third is actually placibo, prayer is fourth unless you group them together.

Studies have show prayer to be detrimental, worse than placebos.
2013-04-23 11:21:08 PM
1 votes:

rmatthewware: Every group of people that becomes large enough will have their nuts.  Most Christians aren't like this.  Most of us wouldn't let a child suffer.  If you want to condemn these people, I'll be right there with you.  But don't blame Christianity because some of his followers are idiots.



Yes, Yes you *DO* blame organized fairytale tellers. I distinctly remember our parish priest and all sunday school teachers claiming that they had examples of people being healed by prayer or a house not burning down (or ripped up by a tornado as the case may be) because it had been blessed. Obviously, all silly nonsense. At least they were careful never to say that we should Not go to a hospital or doctor when we were sick.
2013-04-23 11:19:47 PM
1 votes:

rmatthewware: Every group of people that becomes large enough will have their nuts.  Most Christians aren't like this.  Most of us wouldn't let a child suffer.  If you want to condemn these people, I'll be right there with you.  But don't blame Christianity because some of his followers are idiots.


True Scotsman like typing detected.
2013-04-23 11:06:26 PM
1 votes:

GleefulFiend: Csb

When I was 10 my parents went to some kind of retreat and left me in the care of my religious fundamentalist uncle and his family in rural Oregon. One day I was playing hide and seek in the barn with my cousins when I fell out of the hayloft and split my knee open on a combine blade. My uncle, who did not believe in doctors or medicine (hell, he barely believed in soap) put a butterfly bandage on it and told me not to bend my knee for the rest of the week until my parents got back.

I needed stitches I never got, but I escaped the situation with a stiff knee and a gnarly scar (thankfully, I had been immunized against tetanus). I was a lot luckier than his youngest son, who self-medicated for depression with a chair and a noose. I was a lot luckier than the diabetic kid who died in the nurse's office at the school where my mom worked because the kid's family used prayer instead of insulin. That was 30 years ago.

/csb

Point is, this problem is not new and we as a society seem to be really bad at solving it. I hope they are convicted of murder this time.


How were you supposed to properly pray to the Almighty without bending your knee? Your uncle was a lukewarm Christian at best.
2013-04-23 11:04:05 PM
1 votes:
Csb

When I was 10 my parents went to some kind of retreat and left me in the care of my religious fundamentalist uncle and his family in rural Oregon. One day I was playing hide and seek in the barn with my cousins when I fell out of the hayloft and split my knee open on a combine blade. My uncle, who did not believe in doctors or medicine (hell, he barely believed in soap) put a butterfly bandage on it and told me not to bend my knee for the rest of the week until my parents got back.

I needed stitches I never got, but I escaped the situation with a stiff knee and a gnarly scar (thankfully, I had been immunized against tetanus). I was a lot luckier than his youngest son, who self-medicated for depression with a chair and a noose. I was a lot luckier than the diabetic kid who died in the nurse's office at the school where my mom worked because the kid's family used prayer instead of insulin. That was 30 years ago.

/csb

Point is, this problem is not new and we as a society seem to be really bad at solving it. I hope they are convicted of murder this time.
2013-04-23 11:01:57 PM
1 votes:

phrawgh: It is sad but this was God's will. We cannot know the way He works.

Thine will be done!


I marked this as funny!
2013-04-23 10:47:28 PM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: /Let me know once you become infallible, unknowable, all-powerful, and all-present... then we can evaluate the merits of a mortal judging a being such as that.


If I see you burning ants with a magnifying glass, I can still judge that you are an asshat.  If a being such as you describe created a living being fully intending to cruelly and painfully destroy it and/or punish it for eternity, he/she/it too is an asshat.
2013-04-23 10:38:10 PM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: theknuckler_33: Bit'O'Gristle: theknuckler_33: If they cut themselves with a knife while chopping veggies in the kitchen, do they just kneel down and pray too?  If their kid falls down and hits their head, do they not put ice on the bump? Do they go to the dentist? Would they seek out eyeglasses? What is the muther farking hell is wrong with people!?!?!?!?

/They are looking for a miracle, and think that just because a book written by man tells them so, there is an invisible sky wizard that will swoop down and save their child, if they just pray and believe enough.  The sad thing is, even after losing two children through "healing by prayer" that obviously didn't work, they will defend their failure as good parents by saying "Yes, we prayed, but it was God's will they die".  Last argument of a blind faith fundie.

My point was that there must be some kind of line. Do they actually give food to their kids? That is clearly advice of the medical community. If their child sprains their ankle or blows out their knee... WTF?!?! Where is the line? Any line at all flies in the face of their bullshiat. Essentially, they should just sit and do nothing but pray. Why do they work? Why do they go to the grocery store? They are farking idiots.

/yes, they work, give food to the kids, but i would imagine anything beyond a scrape or cut, like an infection, or as in this case, worse, that would be impossible for the parents to fix at home, they choose to rock back and forth and chant useless mumbo jumbo, when taking the poor kid to the hospital to get a shot probably would have saved his life. This is the mind set of religious fundies. Pray hard enough..and god will miracle your child better. I would like to think that at this point, after killing two of their children through proper medical care, they would have learned. But sadly, as i said before, they are, I'll bet you, saying its god's will that they died. Way to pass the buck for your ignorance.


I'm just not even giving them a pass for home remedies. Why are doctor/hospital remedies against their faith but a bandaid, icepack, or any other dozens of home 'remedies' ok?  Their beliefs are hollow and have zero basis in theology, let alone logic.
2013-04-23 10:25:19 PM
1 votes:
The best thing that can happen is both of them spend the next 10 years in prison getting beaten and raped on a daily basis.  They are of course free to pray all they want for "god" to help them out of the situation.. we see how that's worked out so far.

7 other kids? god damn -- pull out every once and while... although with their record, maybe 1 or two of the kids would reach adulthood if allowed to stay with their natural nutjob parents.


The fact there are still people in the world that behave this way shows just how far we have to go in terms of progress in the human race.
2013-04-23 10:22:55 PM
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Bit'O'Gristle: theknuckler_33: If they cut themselves with a knife while chopping veggies in the kitchen, do they just kneel down and pray too?  If their kid falls down and hits their head, do they not put ice on the bump? Do they go to the dentist? Would they seek out eyeglasses? What is the muther farking hell is wrong with people!?!?!?!?

/They are looking for a miracle, and think that just because a book written by man tells them so, there is an invisible sky wizard that will swoop down and save their child, if they just pray and believe enough.  The sad thing is, even after losing two children through "healing by prayer" that obviously didn't work, they will defend their failure as good parents by saying "Yes, we prayed, but it was God's will they die".  Last argument of a blind faith fundie.


My point was that there must be some kind of line. Do they actually give food to their kids? That is clearly advice of the medical community. If their child sprains their ankle or blows out their knee... WTF?!?! Where is the line? Any line at all flies in the face of their bullshiat. Essentially, they should just sit and do nothing but pray. Why do they work? Why do they go to the grocery store? They are farking idiots.
2013-04-23 10:21:19 PM
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djkutch:

....mentioning catholicism...

These people are nutters, but don't paint a broad stroke against religion. Get after the nutters. Most religious people feel an obligation to do the golden rule.

If you don't mind, I'd like to interject something about Catholicism as I knew it growing up.  Somehow in my youth I went to a progressive parish that focused on social justice.  The sermons derived to helping the poor and doing good deeds and doing good deeds and assisting the poor, and pray to god.  It wasn't until high school that I learned my cousins encountered a different Catholicism.  A righteous, anti-abortion, brimstone and fire Catholicism.  I think my liberal Catholicism is vanishing... I think the Vatican II  (initially anyway) allowed for some progressive teachings.
I think that is gone now.
I don't really give a fark anymore, as I no longer believe in shiat, but I just know that I had a different upraising of what the church was/could be in the 70s and 80s.
2013-04-23 10:15:32 PM
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TheOtherMisterP: RedWineBuzz: Science flies people to the moon. Religion flies people into buildings.

And what's the first thing Buzz Aldrin did when he got to the moon? He celebrated Communion.

Science and religion are not opposites.


How did the communion get him there?
2013-04-23 10:10:11 PM
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PanicMan: Bees?  Was it bees?  I bet it was bees.


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Approves.
2013-04-23 09:57:16 PM
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Idiots. Laughter is the best medicine. Not prayer. Laughter. Prayer is only the third-best medicine.
2013-04-23 09:50:37 PM
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djkutch:  Most religious people normal humans feel an obligation to do the golden rule.
2013-04-23 09:47:57 PM
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jayhawk88: Seven other kids. I want to go beat these people with a lead pipe. In the Conservatory.


We'll just sterilize them.  I got an arc welder in the garage doing nothing.
2013-04-23 09:44:10 PM
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ciberido: WhoIsPurpleGoo: Bees?

Resting after pining for the fjords?


you know who else liked fjords?

www.bbc.co.uk
2013-04-23 09:42:14 PM
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2013-04-23 09:38:57 PM
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I want to see if they can pray away the damage of the years of assrape both of them should have coming.  Humanity will continue to stagnate in its own stupidity until we can eradicate religion.
2013-04-23 09:30:03 PM
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sithon: And these are the people breeding in great numbers .


Yeah, but their kids die so no harm done.
2013-04-23 09:27:24 PM
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If God wills it, and God is infallible, then why did He create so many farking hospitals, doctors, nurses, and medicines? Did you also pray for food to be delivered by God, or did you get a job? When your car was broken, did you pray or find a mechanic? Fark, you child murderers, it's a real pity that hell doesn't exist, cause you belong there.
2013-04-23 09:27:13 PM
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There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".
2013-04-23 09:23:32 PM
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RedWineBuzz: Science flies people to the moon. Religion flies people into buildings.


And what's the first thing Buzz Aldrin did when he got to the moon? He celebrated Communion.

Science and religion are not opposites.
2013-04-23 09:19:57 PM
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Bacontastesgood: rmatthewware: Most Christians aren't like this.  Most of us wouldn't let a child suffer.  ...... But don't blame Christianity because some of his followers are idiots.

Who are you talking to?  I realize fark is rich in athiests and agnostics, but almost all of us recognize that most Christians are reasonable people.  You are like 75% of the US population after all.  There would be huge problems if most of you never went to or took your kids to hospitals.


I was raised as a Christian Scientist.

I got better.
2013-04-23 09:19:10 PM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology (or lack thereof) I think we can all agree that if there is an afterlife these snapperheads have a permanent reservation in the room by the elevator in the most disused wing of the Endless Vuvuzela & Pan Flute Orchestra covers "Nickleback" Concert building adjacent to the Never-Ceasing Rerun of "Batman & Robin" Screen next to the Lake of Burning Hobo Semen where the roving Octo-Penised Rapenocerouses always have full bottles of Cialis.


well-crafted, good sir.
2013-04-23 09:17:09 PM
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boozehat: Imagine if they were Muslim.....


SHARIA LAW!!!
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2013-04-23 09:16:26 PM
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ManateeGag: so, this is OK, but abortion is murder?


once they're born, they don't matter.
2013-04-23 09:15:59 PM
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And people wonder why ObamaCare eschewed the Single Prayer System.
2013-04-23 09:13:14 PM
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Better she died in a hospital after her parents were bled out of all of their money?

I think they made a solid personal solution, subby.  Why do you hate freedom so much?
2013-04-23 09:12:59 PM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology (or lack thereof) I think we can all agree that if there is an afterlife these snapperheads have a permanent reservation in the room by the elevator in the most disused wing of the Endless Vuvuzela & Pan Flute Orchestra covers "Nickleback" Concert building adjacent to the Never-Ceasing Rerun of "Batman & Robin" Screen next to the Lake of Burning Hobo Semen where the roving Octo-Penised Rapenocerouses always have full bottles of Cialis.


isn't that across the hall from the Weird Al memorial polka room?
2013-04-23 09:11:36 PM
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sithon: And these are the people breeding in great numbers .


It's Evolution...
2013-04-23 09:00:46 PM
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2013-04-23 09:00:07 PM
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Churchy LaFemme: Let me guess: they don't believe in birth control either?


Most of these people tend to be followers of the Quiverfull movement in the modern age, mixed in with a healthy fear of the Government and belief in conspiracy theories.

They also tend to be overwhelmingly and often wilfully undereducated in sciences and humanities outside of their own narrow belief systems, which creates a "perfect storm of Derp".
2013-04-23 08:59:35 PM
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johnnieconnie: They were convicted of involuntary manslaughter the first time.

/hope they get Murder One with life for this one


From TFA:

"They have not been charged, as authorities are waiting on autopsy results, but they could face a prison sentence as long as 10 years."

10 years is bullshiat.  They killed two children and would likely kill the remaining seven if given the chance.  The correct response would be to infect them both with something horrible, then isolate them so that they can't spread it.  Wait a week or so for them to die.
2013-04-23 08:59:10 PM
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See?  They prayed and prayed and prayed and their kids are no longer sick.  I mean, they're dead, but they're no longer sick.
2013-04-23 08:53:42 PM
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If only they had prayed harder.  Or, perhaps, they should not have pissed off their god.  Either way, the kids are probably better off.  At least now they will not be infected with Teh Stoopids.
2013-04-23 08:52:16 PM
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Sweet!
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2013-04-23 08:52:08 PM
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sithon: And these are the people breeding in great numbers .


Well, breeding in great numbers, then having their children confiscated to be raised by someone else and stuck in jail for 10 years, so I'm not sure the social traits are going to be effectively passed on, there.
2013-04-23 08:29:27 PM
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And yeah, I'm aware this kid died of bacterial sepsis. I'm just using another case.
2013-04-23 08:13:28 PM
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ManateeGag: so, this is OK, but abortion is murder?


Yes, because their imaginary friend says so.
2013-04-23 07:39:41 PM
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Clearly god did it. He would have saved them if he liked those kids.
2013-04-23 04:48:29 PM
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sithon: And these are the people breeding in great numbers .


Well, I suppose they can stand to lose a few now and then, no?
2013-04-23 04:33:26 PM
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He fixed the cable?
2013-04-23 04:29:29 PM
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And these are the people breeding in great numbers .
 
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