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2013-04-23 10:16:49 PM

theknuckler_33: plavacek: This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches

No, it's not, you farking moran.

There are plenty of things about fundamentalist beliefs to criticize, but your post is basically as moranic as those very same beliefs. What you wrote was a very old joke. Grow the fark up.


remember the Alamo...
 
2013-04-23 10:17:26 PM
HindiDiscoMonster: Bonobo62: Idiots. Laughter is the best medicine. Not prayer. Laughter. Prayer is only the third-best medicine.

just think how healthy clowns must be...


cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-04-23 10:17:46 PM

Ronin_S: plavacek: A man was in his three-story house one day when a flood started. After a bit, a police car came by and the policemen asked him to evacuate with them so that he would be saved. He said, "No thanks - I will pray and God will save me."

The water kept coming up, and the man went upstairs and leaned out his window. A fire department boat came by, and the fireman asked him to get in so that he would be saved. Again, the man said, "No thanks - I will pray and God will save me."

The water kept coming, and the man was forced up to his roof. A Coast Guard helicopter came by, and a rescue swimmer came down to offer the man a hand up. But the man waved the swimmer off, and he shouted up as loud as he could "I will pray and God will save me!"

The house was quickly washed away, and the man drowned.

At Judgement, the man asked God why God had not saved him, and God replied "I sent a car, a boat, and a helicopter - what more did you want?"

This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches - I've heard it dozens of times. It's a shame these wackjobs hadn't. If God is good and God is everywhere, then God is in the doctors and the hospitals and the four bucks worth of generic antibiotics that would have saved your son's life, you monsters.

*shakes tiny fist*

Beat me to it.


I guess my snark meter is defective.
 
2013-04-23 10:18:07 PM

Ronin_S: plavacek: A man was in his three-story house one day when a flood started. After a bit, a police car came by and the policemen asked him to evacuate with them so that he would be saved. He said, "No thanks - I will pray and God will save me."

The water kept coming up, and the man went upstairs and leaned out his window. A fire department boat came by, and the fireman asked him to get in so that he would be saved. Again, the man said, "No thanks - I will pray and God will save me."

The water kept coming, and the man was forced up to his roof. A Coast Guard helicopter came by, and a rescue swimmer came down to offer the man a hand up. But the man waved the swimmer off, and he shouted up as loud as he could "I will pray and God will save me!"

The house was quickly washed away, and the man drowned.

At Judgement, the man asked God why God had not saved him, and God replied "I sent a car, a boat, and a helicopter - what more did you want?"

This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches - I've heard it dozens of times. It's a shame these wackjobs hadn't. If God is good and God is everywhere, then God is in the doctors and the hospitals and the four bucks worth of generic antibiotics that would have saved your son's life, you monsters.

*shakes tiny fist*

Beat me to it.


came for this
 
2013-04-23 10:18:34 PM

ultraholland: HindiDiscoMonster: Bonobo62: Idiots. Laughter is the best medicine. Not prayer. Laughter. Prayer is only the third-best medicine.

just think how healthy clowns must be...

[cache.ohinternet.com image 600x449]


i think those two are a little too healthy...
 
2013-04-23 10:21:19 PM
djkutch:

....mentioning catholicism...

These people are nutters, but don't paint a broad stroke against religion. Get after the nutters. Most religious people feel an obligation to do the golden rule.

If you don't mind, I'd like to interject something about Catholicism as I knew it growing up.  Somehow in my youth I went to a progressive parish that focused on social justice.  The sermons derived to helping the poor and doing good deeds and doing good deeds and assisting the poor, and pray to god.  It wasn't until high school that I learned my cousins encountered a different Catholicism.  A righteous, anti-abortion, brimstone and fire Catholicism.  I think my liberal Catholicism is vanishing... I think the Vatican II  (initially anyway) allowed for some progressive teachings.
I think that is gone now.
I don't really give a fark anymore, as I no longer believe in shiat, but I just know that I had a different upraising of what the church was/could be in the 70s and 80s.
 
2013-04-23 10:22:55 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: theknuckler_33: If they cut themselves with a knife while chopping veggies in the kitchen, do they just kneel down and pray too?  If their kid falls down and hits their head, do they not put ice on the bump? Do they go to the dentist? Would they seek out eyeglasses? What is the muther farking hell is wrong with people!?!?!?!?

/They are looking for a miracle, and think that just because a book written by man tells them so, there is an invisible sky wizard that will swoop down and save their child, if they just pray and believe enough.  The sad thing is, even after losing two children through "healing by prayer" that obviously didn't work, they will defend their failure as good parents by saying "Yes, we prayed, but it was God's will they die".  Last argument of a blind faith fundie.


My point was that there must be some kind of line. Do they actually give food to their kids? That is clearly advice of the medical community. If their child sprains their ankle or blows out their knee... WTF?!?! Where is the line? Any line at all flies in the face of their bullshiat. Essentially, they should just sit and do nothing but pray. Why do they work? Why do they go to the grocery store? They are farking idiots.
 
2013-04-23 10:24:13 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Abox: FTA they could face a prison sentence as long as 10 years.

And like Job, retaining faith despite continued misery by God's hand.

I think you spelled Satan wrong...

/Fark, I am disappoint - I thought you knew your bibles... so you could bash it more effectively.


Satan had God's approval. I think Satan has the few of Job's relatives attributed to him. God killed 2.4 million, with estimates over 24 million.
 
2013-04-23 10:25:19 PM
The best thing that can happen is both of them spend the next 10 years in prison getting beaten and raped on a daily basis.  They are of course free to pray all they want for "god" to help them out of the situation.. we see how that's worked out so far.

7 other kids? god damn -- pull out every once and while... although with their record, maybe 1 or two of the kids would reach adulthood if allowed to stay with their natural nutjob parents.


The fact there are still people in the world that behave this way shows just how far we have to go in terms of progress in the human race.
 
2013-04-23 10:25:23 PM

Bonobo62: Idiots. Laughter is the best medicine. Not prayer. Laughter. Prayer is only the third-best medicine.


i'll bite....

what's the second?

or is this like #2 with the underpants nomes?
 
2013-04-23 10:25:38 PM

skullkrusher: came for this


Do me a solid and fill me in?
 
2013-04-23 10:26:05 PM
The fools should be hanging from a tree.
 
2013-04-23 10:26:32 PM
Trampled at a gay pride rally?
 
2013-04-23 10:27:15 PM

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: came for this

Do me a solid and fill me in?


What? I came to post that joke, saw that someone else already did it, didn't bother
 
2013-04-23 10:27:49 PM

srhp29: DOCTORS ARE THE ANSWERS TO YOUR PRAYERS F*CKING IDIOTS!!!


We can tell they've figured this out by their bills.
 
2013-04-23 10:27:59 PM

theknuckler_33: Bit'O'Gristle: theknuckler_33: If they cut themselves with a knife while chopping veggies in the kitchen, do they just kneel down and pray too?  If their kid falls down and hits their head, do they not put ice on the bump? Do they go to the dentist? Would they seek out eyeglasses? What is the muther farking hell is wrong with people!?!?!?!?

/They are looking for a miracle, and think that just because a book written by man tells them so, there is an invisible sky wizard that will swoop down and save their child, if they just pray and believe enough.  The sad thing is, even after losing two children through "healing by prayer" that obviously didn't work, they will defend their failure as good parents by saying "Yes, we prayed, but it was God's will they die".  Last argument of a blind faith fundie.

My point was that there must be some kind of line. Do they actually give food to their kids? That is clearly advice of the medical community. If their child sprains their ankle or blows out their knee... WTF?!?! Where is the line? Any line at all flies in the face of their bullshiat. Essentially, they should just sit and do nothing but pray. Why do they work? Why do they go to the grocery store? They are farking idiots.


/yes, they work, give food to the kids, but i would imagine anything beyond a scrape or cut, like an infection, or as in this case, worse, that would be impossible for the parents to fix at home, they choose to rock back and forth and chant useless mumbo jumbo, when taking the poor kid to the hospital to get a shot probably would have saved his life. This is the mind set of religious fundies. Pray hard enough..and god will miracle your child better. I would like to think that at this point, after killing two of their children through proper medical care, they would have learned. But sadly, as i said before, they are, I'll bet you, saying its god's will that they died. Way to pass the buck for your ignorance.
 
2013-04-23 10:28:57 PM

Churchy LaFemme: HighlanderRPI: The amazing part is that they have 7 other children that have survived thus far without falling prey to their parent's stupidity

Let me guess: they don't believe in birth control either?


If god wanted you not to have kids he'd have miracled your balls off.
 
2013-04-23 10:30:30 PM
My adoptive parents were the same variety of derp of these two asshole parents.  When my dad broke my nose, he let it heal on it's own.  I prayed for days for the pain to stop - didn't happen.  At the tender age of 7 that was the incident that started to open my eyes that my adoptive parents were full of shiat.  Hopefully their surviving children are able to get out and stay of that craziness.
 
2013-04-23 10:31:03 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology (or lack thereof) I think we can all agree that if there is an afterlife these snapperheads have a permanent reservation in the room by the elevator in the most disused wing of the Endless Vuvuzela & Pan Flute Orchestra covers "Nickleback" Concert building adjacent to the Never-Ceasing Rerun of "Batman & Robin" Screen next to the Lake of Burning Hobo Semen where the roving Octo-Penised Rapenocerouses always have full bottles of Cialis.


You are too generous. I would add to that torment the task of eliciting an emotion from Kristen Stewart.
 
2013-04-23 10:31:07 PM

Mellotiger: Trampled at a gay pride rally?


Party favors, at the rally.
 
2013-04-23 10:32:08 PM

skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: came for this

Do me a solid and fill me in?

What? I came to post that joke, saw that someone else already did it, didn't bother


Just curious, but didn't the 'joke' end with "what more did you want?" from the OP?

It was the bit after that that threw me off.
 
2013-04-23 10:34:21 PM
IS THERE ANYTHING THIS FICTIONAL CHARACTER CAN'T DO???



/i be trollin'
//Jesus be hatin'
 
2013-04-23 10:34:41 PM

queen biatch of the universe: My adoptive parents were the same variety of derp of these two asshole parents.  When my dad broke my nose, he let it heal on it's own.  I prayed for days for the pain to stop - didn't happen.  At the tender age of 7 that was the incident that started to open my eyes that my adoptive parents were full of shiat.  Hopefully their surviving children are able to get out and stay of that craziness.


That's horrible.
What type of adoptive parents were they?
a.  True family
b.  Friends of family
c.  Some lowlife foster home providers that chose to foster so they could stay at home and not have to work?

I hate that c type.  While there exists some good foster homes, some just do it to avoid working in the real world.
 
2013-04-23 10:35:03 PM

JungleBoogie: Devoured by escaped velociraptors?


Coupled with a shocking lack of familiarity with Unix, yes.
 
2013-04-23 10:36:13 PM
Where has Bevets been? Is he dead? I miss his comedy. In another thousand years when we are all dead the only religion will be do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And rainbows, lollipops, and occasional sunshine.
 
2013-04-23 10:36:17 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Mr. Coffee Nerves: No matter one's personal theology (or lack thereof) I think we can all agree that if there is an afterlife these snapperheads have a permanent reservation in the room by the elevator in the most disused wing of the Endless Vuvuzela & Pan Flute Orchestra covers "Nickleback" Concert building adjacent to the Never-Ceasing Rerun of "Batman & Robin" Screen next to the Lake of Burning Hobo Semen where the roving Octo-Penised Rapenocerouses always have full bottles of Cialis.

isn't that across the hall from the Weird Al memorial polka room?


They didn't like the Nehru jacket he was wearing. He got into heaven, but they gave him the room next to the noisy ice machine.
 
2013-04-23 10:38:10 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: theknuckler_33: Bit'O'Gristle: theknuckler_33: If they cut themselves with a knife while chopping veggies in the kitchen, do they just kneel down and pray too?  If their kid falls down and hits their head, do they not put ice on the bump? Do they go to the dentist? Would they seek out eyeglasses? What is the muther farking hell is wrong with people!?!?!?!?

/They are looking for a miracle, and think that just because a book written by man tells them so, there is an invisible sky wizard that will swoop down and save their child, if they just pray and believe enough.  The sad thing is, even after losing two children through "healing by prayer" that obviously didn't work, they will defend their failure as good parents by saying "Yes, we prayed, but it was God's will they die".  Last argument of a blind faith fundie.

My point was that there must be some kind of line. Do they actually give food to their kids? That is clearly advice of the medical community. If their child sprains their ankle or blows out their knee... WTF?!?! Where is the line? Any line at all flies in the face of their bullshiat. Essentially, they should just sit and do nothing but pray. Why do they work? Why do they go to the grocery store? They are farking idiots.

/yes, they work, give food to the kids, but i would imagine anything beyond a scrape or cut, like an infection, or as in this case, worse, that would be impossible for the parents to fix at home, they choose to rock back and forth and chant useless mumbo jumbo, when taking the poor kid to the hospital to get a shot probably would have saved his life. This is the mind set of religious fundies. Pray hard enough..and god will miracle your child better. I would like to think that at this point, after killing two of their children through proper medical care, they would have learned. But sadly, as i said before, they are, I'll bet you, saying its god's will that they died. Way to pass the buck for your ignorance.


I'm just not even giving them a pass for home remedies. Why are doctor/hospital remedies against their faith but a bandaid, icepack, or any other dozens of home 'remedies' ok?  Their beliefs are hollow and have zero basis in theology, let alone logic.
 
2013-04-23 10:38:12 PM

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: came for this

Do me a solid and fill me in?

What? I came to post that joke, saw that someone else already did it, didn't bother

Just curious, but didn't the 'joke' end with "what more did you want?" from the OP?

It was the bit after that that threw me off.


He ended with "This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches - I've heard it dozens of times. It's a shame these wackjobs hadn't. If God is good and God is everywhere, then God is in the doctors and the hospitals and the four bucks worth of generic antibiotics that would have saved your son's life, you monsters."

I prolly would've just posted the story because I think it's a cute little story but I agreed with the rest too.

Then someone shook a tiny fist and I kinda jumped on the end of that in tiny fist shaking agreement
 
2013-04-23 10:39:44 PM
It works, it's just that God is kind of a dick and wants most people to die from various illnesses and ailments.
He created them for a reason, you know.
 
2013-04-23 10:42:16 PM

skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: came for this

Do me a solid and fill me in?

What? I came to post that joke, saw that someone else already did it, didn't bother

Just curious, but didn't the 'joke' end with "what more did you want?" from the OP?

It was the bit after that that threw me off.

He ended with "This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches - I've heard it dozens of times. It's a shame these wackjobs hadn't. If God is good and God is everywhere, then God is in the doctors and the hospitals and the four bucks worth of generic antibiotics that would have saved your son's life, you monsters."

I prolly would've just posted the story because I think it's a cute little story but I agreed with the rest too.

Then someone shook a tiny fist and I kinda jumped on the end of that in tiny fist shaking agreement


I guess the fact that "This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches "  being pure bullshiat struck me the wrong way. I guess that's just me.
 
2013-04-23 10:42:24 PM
How stupid are these damned "religious" people?
Medicine vs Prayer - Curative results = 1,000,000:1. I am going to choose medicine.
If "God" exists, and it created people, and people created advanced medicine; therefore, "God" created medicine (by proxy...) Use the tools available.
 
2013-04-23 10:44:51 PM

rmatthewware: Every group of people that becomes large enough will have their nuts.  Most Christians aren't like this.  Most of us wouldn't let a child suffer.  If you want to condemn these people, I'll be right there with you.  But don't blame Christianity because some of his followers are idiots.


Climb down off your cross, no one was blaming Christianity.
 
2013-04-23 10:47:28 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: /Let me know once you become infallible, unknowable, all-powerful, and all-present... then we can evaluate the merits of a mortal judging a being such as that.


If I see you burning ants with a magnifying glass, I can still judge that you are an asshat.  If a being such as you describe created a living being fully intending to cruelly and painfully destroy it and/or punish it for eternity, he/she/it too is an asshat.
 
2013-04-23 10:49:32 PM
Those times your babies were dying? I was on the beach leaving footprints in the sand. Next time maybe you should call a doctor.
 
2013-04-23 10:49:56 PM

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: came for this

Do me a solid and fill me in?

What? I came to post that joke, saw that someone else already did it, didn't bother

Just curious, but didn't the 'joke' end with "what more did you want?" from the OP?

It was the bit after that that threw me off.

He ended with "This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches - I've heard it dozens of times. It's a shame these wackjobs hadn't. If God is good and God is everywhere, then God is in the doctors and the hospitals and the four bucks worth of generic antibiotics that would have saved your son's life, you monsters."

I prolly would've just posted the story because I think it's a cute little story but I agreed with the rest too.

Then someone shook a tiny fist and I kinda jumped on the end of that in tiny fist shaking agreement

I guess the fact that "This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches "  being pure bullshiat struck me the wrong way. I guess that's just me.


I heard it years ago. Maybe in church, I dunno. I can't say that I've gone to a lot of Catholic Churches so I can't really say it is bullshiat or not.
 
2013-04-23 10:52:59 PM

Mock26: netgamer7k: When God gives you a life preserver,

Take it.

/that's all I have to say

I wonder what a devout christian would do if that God was Vishnu?


or Kali
negociatas.vivyanefernando.info
Mola Ram
/Sula Ram
//Toya Ram
 
2013-04-23 10:53:28 PM

Arumat: HindiDiscoMonster: /Let me know once you become infallible, unknowable, all-powerful, and all-present... then we can evaluate the merits of a mortal judging a being such as that.

If I see you burning ants with a magnifying glass, I can still judge that you are an asshat.  If a being such as you describe created a living being fully intending to cruelly and painfully destroy it and/or punish it for eternity, he/she/it too is an asshat.


i never said you couldn't do that... all i said was that you have about as much right to as an ant does judging a human for spraying raid all over the place.
 
2013-04-23 10:54:43 PM

Omahawg: I pray for boobs in my email

don't disappoint me again, god!



You're obviously doing it wrong...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-23 10:54:47 PM

tuna fingers: queen biatch of the universe: My adoptive parents were the same variety of derp of these two asshole parents.  When my dad broke my nose, he let it heal on it's own.  I prayed for days for the pain to stop - didn't happen.  At the tender age of 7 that was the incident that started to open my eyes that my adoptive parents were full of shiat.  Hopefully their surviving children are able to get out and stay of that craziness.

That's horrible.
What type of adoptive parents were they?
a.  True family
b.  Friends of family
c.  Some lowlife foster home providers that chose to foster so they could stay at home and not have to work?

I hate that c type.  While there exists some good foster homes, some just do it to avoid working in the real world.


Not sure what you mean about true family?  I was adopted as an infant though a private Christian based adoption agency that was heavy tied to Dominionism movement.  My biological mother never met my adoptive parents (she met the people who she though were going to be parents but for a better phase they were a stage family that many young women who put their babies up for adopt where sent to) and was lied to about the nature of their beliefs.   My mother  wanted me to be in a better home than she could have provided after my biological father abandoned her.  She wanted me to have a Christian upbringing but she would never had wanted me to be raised in Christian fundamentalist home.She would have never given me up to that agency if she knew their true motivates (not to mention the insane profit they were making, lets just stay that most of the parents that they provided children to were rejected by other agencies).
 
2013-04-23 10:55:20 PM

perigee: Mock26: netgamer7k: When God gives you a life preserver,

Take it.

/that's all I have to say

I wonder what a devout christian would do if that God was Vishnu?

or Kali
[negociatas.vivyanefernando.info image 363x307]
Mola Ram
/Sula Ram
//Toya Ram


fp.images.autos.msn.com
 
2013-04-23 10:55:27 PM

HappyTheDog: The fools should be hanging from a tree.


What did the tree ever deserve to have such idiocy dangling from it?
 
2013-04-23 10:56:48 PM

skullkrusher: theknuckler_33:I guess the fact that "This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches "  being pure bullshiat struck me the wrong way. I guess that's just me.

I heard it years ago. Maybe in church, I dunno. I can't say that I've gone to a lot of Catholic Churches so I can't really say it is bullshiat or not.


I have a lot of respect for you and this post from you blows my mind. Did you really read that 'joke'?  Are you really trying to tell me that you think it is possible that that might be an actual teaching of the Catholic, or any other, church? A parable that basically teaches that God says "you are a moran"? Did you read it?
 
2013-04-23 10:57:25 PM
That's Murder.  Lock them up and try them as such.
 
2013-04-23 10:58:28 PM

A Terrible Human: Mambo Bananapatch: If I do it sure as hell won't be because we didn't do everything possible to save our child. I have very little sympathy for morons who sit around a dying child praying instead of picking up the goddamn cell phone and calling 911.

Dude it's a quote from a guy who was very angry Fark wasn't sad about that Duggar woman losing her 20th kid and then decided to parade his dead kids remains on Fark to show everyone why he was angry. It was like wearing a meat suit in front of starving wolves.


I confused am
 
2013-04-23 10:58:59 PM

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33:I guess the fact that "This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches "  being pure bullshiat struck me the wrong way. I guess that's just me.

I heard it years ago. Maybe in church, I dunno. I can't say that I've gone to a lot of Catholic Churches so I can't really say it is bullshiat or not.

I have a lot of respect for you and this post from you blows my mind. Did you really read that 'joke'?  Are you really trying to tell me that you think it is possible that that might be an actual teaching of the Catholic, or any other, church? A parable that basically teaches that God says "you are a moran"? Did you read it?


Never underestimate how stupid the Catholic Church believes its followers to be.
 
2013-04-23 11:00:15 PM
If God could clone himself, which one would win in a hot dog eating contest?
 
2013-04-23 11:01:07 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: If God could clone himself, which one would win in a hot dog eating contest?


God?
 
2013-04-23 11:01:48 PM

theknuckler_33: skullkrusher: theknuckler_33:I guess the fact that "This parable is told a lot in Catholic churches "  being pure bullshiat struck me the wrong way. I guess that's just me.

I heard it years ago. Maybe in church, I dunno. I can't say that I've gone to a lot of Catholic Churches so I can't really say it is bullshiat or not.

I have a lot of respect for you and this post from you blows my mind. Did you really read that 'joke'?  Are you really trying to tell me that you think it is possible that that might be an actual teaching of the Catholic, or any other, church? A parable that basically teaches that God says "you are a moran"? Did you read it?


yeah, I think it is rather unsurprising that a mainstream church would teach its members that people of faith should pray AND take action rather than just doing what these asshole parents do. Are you surprised to see a priest in a doctor's office or going to the dentist?
 
2013-04-23 11:01:57 PM

phrawgh: It is sad but this was God's will. We cannot know the way He works.

Thine will be done!


I marked this as funny!
 
2013-04-23 11:04:05 PM
Csb

When I was 10 my parents went to some kind of retreat and left me in the care of my religious fundamentalist uncle and his family in rural Oregon. One day I was playing hide and seek in the barn with my cousins when I fell out of the hayloft and split my knee open on a combine blade. My uncle, who did not believe in doctors or medicine (hell, he barely believed in soap) put a butterfly bandage on it and told me not to bend my knee for the rest of the week until my parents got back.

I needed stitches I never got, but I escaped the situation with a stiff knee and a gnarly scar (thankfully, I had been immunized against tetanus). I was a lot luckier than his youngest son, who self-medicated for depression with a chair and a noose. I was a lot luckier than the diabetic kid who died in the nurse's office at the school where my mom worked because the kid's family used prayer instead of insulin. That was 30 years ago.

/csb

Point is, this problem is not new and we as a society seem to be really bad at solving it. I hope they are convicted of murder this time.
 
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