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2013-04-23 01:31:49 PM
13 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.


Boston is in Massachusetts.  It's a weapon of Mass. destruction.
2013-04-23 01:14:46 PM
10 votes:

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


To shoot your eye out.
2013-04-23 01:20:10 PM
5 votes:

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


You could break the skin and it could cause a very painful infection

/moose out front shoulda told ya
2013-04-23 05:00:04 PM
3 votes:

downstairs: lessening the chance of being caught.


Yeah it also lessens the chance of them meeting someone they know...

"Djokar!  Tamerlan!  What up?
- Not now dude... we got no time for this!
- What's the rush?
- Srlsy... We gotta leave.
- Hey.. Wait! You left your bag !!!"
2013-04-23 01:47:17 PM
3 votes:

THX 1138: Piece of crap? According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


What's funny is I had some delicious black-eyed peas and ham last night and I cooked it in less than an hour. With a weapon of mass destruction!
2013-04-23 01:31:09 PM
3 votes:

Felgraf: Super Chronic: This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.

And McVeigh blew up a building, then... decided to drive around in a truck with no license plates, and *stopped* when an officer pulled him over.

It's like they can't think several steps ahead or something.


Or like invading a country, and having no real plan to occupy it and rebuild it.  Just assuming "they'll welcome us as liberators, what can go wrong?"
2013-04-23 01:19:31 PM
3 votes:
This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.
2013-04-23 02:41:44 PM
2 votes:

biggestdog420: It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in


"Yeah mom, I'm doing great over here, really! Yep, the boxing career is taking off! I might even be champion before too long! I know! It's awesome! Anything else? Well, let's see... The FBI calls me every once in a while to see if I know anything, and I help them any way I can. Uh huh. Yep, they call me. Oh, and last week I went fishing, it was awesome. I caught a huge shark, like 10 feet long, no, more like 20 feet, it was crazy! No, in the ocean. Yeah, you can do that! Yep, a big, huge shark. And when we brought it in to shore they cut the stomach open and a little kid fell out, gasping for air. Yeah, I saved him! I know, so awesome! Anything else? Oh, I almost forgot, remember how I told you I was thinking about trying out golfing sometime? Uh huh. Yeah, I played Augusta National last weekend, it's like the best field in the country. Anyways, I shot a 38, which is like a record or something. Yeah! Really! They gave me a trophy and everything! Yep, first time on a course! I guess I'm just that good! OK mom, I gotta go. OK, I will. And can you send me that $500 soon, my bank is still screwy and hasn't processed my $25,000 paycheck. I know, frustrating! Thanks ma!"
2013-04-23 01:35:09 PM
2 votes:
Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?

Farking Soros, that's who.  Wake up, sheeple!
2013-04-23 01:23:33 PM
2 votes:
Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $800 and change to just over $1,100 round trip.


I have not yet seen reports on the guns recovered, make, model etc. But let's assume one handgun each, semi-automatics and in nine millimeter. Speculation in the press says they capped the MIT officer with one gun to get another gun.  Speculation.On the off-market in the Boston area chances are, in this heated market for gun purchases they likely spent at least $500 for each if not a lot more. That's another grand on the low side. Then, ammunition. Golly, this list gets longer each paragraph.


Younger brother Dzhokhar we know had a Honda. Again, for an unemployed student liable for well past $10 grand annually to UMass Dartmouth, how'd he come up with the money for a car? Licensing, tags, insurance? I've not yet seen reports on what, if anything, Tamerlane had some sort of connection with a Mercedes which was in the shop. His? Wife's Her family? But still ... where did the money come from for a Mercedes, repairs, license, insurance, tags .. you know the drill.


You see my point?


Unemployed Tamerlane flew to Russia and spent six months news reports say, as far as we know without employment, and managed not to starve to death. His over-employed wife back home grinding it out to pay the bills. Can you buy a RT ticket to Russia and just take-off including all the attendant costs? Can you spend six months without income in another nation? Not me. Probably not you.


So, where'd the money come from?


Indeed, where did all the money come from that allowed these two young men to do as they have done? Including the expense of making bombs out of $50 pressure cookers? Because what we know so far, they had expenses. Big expenses. And I see no visible means of support.


Mother Jones? What tootsie roll of wisdom do you drop on us?
2013-04-23 01:20:44 PM
2 votes:

Turfshoe: Clearly the fact that the younger one was a pot smoker created this slippery slope of planting pressure cooker bombs.


And as we all know pressure cooker bombs are just a gateway device to car bombs...  my god, we need to ban pot roasts!
2013-04-23 11:02:20 AM
2 votes:

make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"
2013-04-23 07:41:55 PM
1 votes:
ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.

Pish.  Amateur.  I get rid of my clothes *before* I commit the crime.
2013-04-23 03:29:01 PM
1 votes:
Yet again leave it to the 'press' to get the fact wrong, the article claims they had an M4 Carbine...

An M4 Carbine, a 7-12k dollar federally tracked and tax stamped fully automatic weapon???!!! Bullshiate, if anything they had an AR-15, a semi-auto rifle....

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2013-04-23 03:17:36 PM
1 votes:
If I ever commit some spectacular crime, I'm going to bring a water pistol and stop off for a round of mini-golf when I'm done, just to give the conspiracy nuts something to obsess about.  :D
2013-04-23 03:00:20 PM
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

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Keep in mind this was no ordinary BB gun.  FBI ballistics experts have analyzed the weapon and found it to be an official Red Ryder carbine action, two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time.

/where's flick?
2013-04-23 02:46:21 PM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


gonna go out on a limb and say financial aid and student loans like most people.
2013-04-23 02:38:06 PM
1 votes:

miss diminutive: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"


They went after two groups:
1) Bostonians
2) People who run 26 miles for fun.

Before we knew anything else, we already knew that they were dumb.
2013-04-23 02:31:49 PM
1 votes:

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.


Pretty much huh? "I've done nothing with my life and all the advantages given to me and this causes me to feel unfulfilled...IT MUST BE AMERICA'S FAULT!!!11!!ONE!"


Also, upon further thought, he probably didn't want to go back to Chechnya to fight for his country because it gets awful Putiny over there whenever anyone steps out of line.
2013-04-23 02:30:53 PM
1 votes:

palelizard: THX 1138: Prank Call of Cthulhu: 12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.

Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!

After Taco Bell, I often crap weapons of mass destruction.


Not me. After Taco Bell, I crap weapons of ass destruction.
2013-04-23 02:26:54 PM
1 votes:
They sound like the crew from Four Lions.

/funny movie, BTW.
2013-04-23 02:15:12 PM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: CygnusDarius: Welp, an acquaintance from fb has been passing around this link (may containt tinfoil), which makes wanna facepalm.

I made it as far as "the FBI and its media" before my eyes rolled out of my head.


I have a fascination with derp, I continued on further.

I was flabbergasted.
2013-04-23 02:00:04 PM
1 votes:
Why a BB gun?

What else would you do with the left over BBs?
2013-04-23 01:58:05 PM
1 votes:

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: FLMountainMan: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!

Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.

I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.


Perhaps it was his lucky shirt.
2013-04-23 01:57:50 PM
1 votes:

JohnCarter: Until I hear what Gov Jesse Ventura has to say on the subject, I will not be able to fully comment.  His deep thoughts and analysis of the 9/11 attacks gives him credence.

Jesse - where art thou?

What is the REAL story behind:
- the Boston Bombings
- the Canadian Attempted Train derailings
- the MLB game delay yesterday of the Braves and Rockies due to snow?

All of this must be inter-related.   Just need to know how


Two words.........underwear gnomes!
2013-04-23 01:48:05 PM
1 votes:
Until I hear what Gov Jesse Ventura has to say on the subject, I will not be able to fully comment.  His deep thoughts and analysis of the 9/11 attacks gives him credence.

Jesse - where art thou?

What is the REAL story behind:
- the Boston Bombings
- the Canadian Attempted Train derailings
- the MLB game delay yesterday of the Braves and Rockies due to snow?

All of this must be inter-related.   Just need to know how
2013-04-23 01:42:01 PM
1 votes:

THX 1138: Prank Call of Cthulhu: 12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.

Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


After Taco Bell, I often crap weapons of mass destruction.
2013-04-23 01:35:40 PM
1 votes:

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com
2013-04-23 01:29:19 PM
1 votes:

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


i236.photobucket.com
2013-04-23 01:27:34 PM
1 votes:
It's what if Harold and Kumar actually did try to become terrorists. Although those two would've been a little smarter.

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Maybe it's more like Bill and Ted...

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2013-04-23 12:16:17 PM
1 votes:
make me some tea:

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.


Getting some dumb kid to blow things up pretty much IS the MO of jihads.
2013-04-23 11:32:52 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?


I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.
2013-04-23 11:15:58 AM
1 votes:

James!: He went to a party?


www.thedailyrash.com
 
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