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2013-04-23 01:23:33 PM
8 votes:
Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $800 and change to just over $1,100 round trip.


I have not yet seen reports on the guns recovered, make, model etc. But let's assume one handgun each, semi-automatics and in nine millimeter. Speculation in the press says they capped the MIT officer with one gun to get another gun.  Speculation.On the off-market in the Boston area chances are, in this heated market for gun purchases they likely spent at least $500 for each if not a lot more. That's another grand on the low side. Then, ammunition. Golly, this list gets longer each paragraph.


Younger brother Dzhokhar we know had a Honda. Again, for an unemployed student liable for well past $10 grand annually to UMass Dartmouth, how'd he come up with the money for a car? Licensing, tags, insurance? I've not yet seen reports on what, if anything, Tamerlane had some sort of connection with a Mercedes which was in the shop. His? Wife's Her family? But still ... where did the money come from for a Mercedes, repairs, license, insurance, tags .. you know the drill.


You see my point?


Unemployed Tamerlane flew to Russia and spent six months news reports say, as far as we know without employment, and managed not to starve to death. His over-employed wife back home grinding it out to pay the bills. Can you buy a RT ticket to Russia and just take-off including all the attendant costs? Can you spend six months without income in another nation? Not me. Probably not you.


So, where'd the money come from?


Indeed, where did all the money come from that allowed these two young men to do as they have done? Including the expense of making bombs out of $50 pressure cookers? Because what we know so far, they had expenses. Big expenses. And I see no visible means of support.


Mother Jones? What tootsie roll of wisdom do you drop on us?
2013-04-23 01:31:09 PM
7 votes:

Felgraf: Super Chronic: This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.

And McVeigh blew up a building, then... decided to drive around in a truck with no license plates, and *stopped* when an officer pulled him over.

It's like they can't think several steps ahead or something.


Or like invading a country, and having no real plan to occupy it and rebuild it.  Just assuming "they'll welcome us as liberators, what can go wrong?"
2013-04-23 01:18:12 PM
7 votes:
Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?
2013-04-23 11:24:38 AM
6 votes:
When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-23 12:16:17 PM
5 votes:
make me some tea:

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.


Getting some dumb kid to blow things up pretty much IS the MO of jihads.
2013-04-23 11:02:20 AM
5 votes:

make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"
2013-04-23 02:09:47 PM
4 votes:
The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...
2013-04-23 01:31:49 PM
4 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.


Boston is in Massachusetts.  It's a weapon of Mass. destruction.
2013-04-23 01:18:17 PM
4 votes:

Rapmaster2000: What does that get you?


Killed or caught, apparently.

The sad thing is that these two seem so ridiculously stupid at this point that I have to believe we were basically one butterfly wing flap away from a comical story about two Russian kids blowing themselves up in a dorm room instead of the ongoing tragedy we actually wound up with.
2013-04-23 01:13:34 PM
4 votes:

make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.


This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.
2013-04-23 02:00:06 PM
3 votes:

Christian Bale: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


Pretty much.  Nobody thought Boston's reaction would be "we're going to lock down the entire city until we find you."

Most people who plan events like this don't actually have a follow-up plan.  I think it's one of the warning signs the FBI looks for in a suspect.

Moreover, this is where conspiracies come from.  "Wait, any two stupid idiots can blow up a marathon with $200 worth of junk, and there's nothing we can do to stop them?"

"Nope."

"And there was no reason at all that three people died and hundreds were injured including dozens of amputees?"

"None at all."

 It's a lot more comforting to think that there was a reason, or that someone is responsible, or that it mattered somehow, to someone.
2013-04-23 01:48:00 PM
3 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...
CONSPIRACY!


FTFY

Just because you don't know the answer to something doesn't mean the answer is being hidden.
2013-04-23 01:25:43 PM
3 votes:
I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.
2013-04-23 01:19:31 PM
3 votes:
This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.
2013-04-23 01:15:16 PM
3 votes:
Maybe they're just f*cking stupid.

With few exceptions, was there ever a tendency for murderers to be particularly intelligent?
2013-04-23 10:56:52 AM
3 votes:
The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.
2013-04-23 02:25:48 PM
2 votes:

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.


Every picture I have seen of him he looks like a complete farking retard.  Maybe he got hit in the head too many times boxing?
2013-04-23 02:01:49 PM
2 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?
2013-04-23 01:53:15 PM
2 votes:
I thought the most bizarre thing was that there is/was no statement from the bombers. Until they tell me what I should be terrified of, I'm gonna keep on being an American Imperialist Pigdog. Makes the whole thing a waste of time, really.
2013-04-23 01:26:33 PM
2 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: IgG4: Hardly the behavior of a hardened jihadi...

But certainly the behavior of a crazy person who just bombed people.

It DOES actually make sense if you consider that he previously may have killed his best friend and got away with it. Psychopaths are master liars and disassociators. "He seemed like a normal guy" to me is reinforcing evidence that he was a psychopath.


But the older brother wasn't normal. He didn't fit in. He was a terrible liar and couldn't disassociate himself. When the two were identified - so many people thought it made total sense that the older brother would be mixed in with this.

The younger brother seems like your sociopath.
2013-04-23 01:26:23 PM
2 votes:

Oldiron_79: Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.


He's never going into general population.
2013-04-23 01:22:21 PM
2 votes:
Is number 1 'blow people up'?  Because I think that's pretty bizarre.

Rapmaster2000: This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?


Fifteen to life.
2013-04-23 01:20:25 PM
2 votes:
And yet the conspiritards will believe this was all staged.
2013-04-23 01:18:22 PM
2 votes:

IgG4: Hardly the behavior of a hardened jihadi...


But certainly the behavior of a crazy person who just bombed people.

It DOES actually make sense if you consider that he previously may have killed his best friend and got away with it. Psychopaths are master liars and disassociators. "He seemed like a normal guy" to me is reinforcing evidence that he was a psychopath.
2013-04-23 01:10:44 PM
2 votes:
Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.
2013-04-23 12:37:35 PM
2 votes:

vpb: Getting some dumb kid to blow things up pretty much IS the MO of jihads.


Well yeah, but usually the dumb kid offs himself along with the bomb, doesn't try to get away and act all smooth.

Suicide bombers are particularly scary because for them it's a zero sum game.
2013-04-23 12:07:31 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...


I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.
2013-04-23 06:51:20 PM
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Yogimus: This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.

So let's treat it like a mass shooting.

We need bomb control.  Once we ban bombs, we won't have to worry about things like this.  Oh, wait. . .


Bombs are already as well controlled as they can get without ridiculous methods.

Guns are not.

/I like guns, I think people should be free to own them
//That doesn't mean with no restrictions whatsoever, though...
2013-04-23 05:00:04 PM
1 votes:

downstairs: lessening the chance of being caught.


Yeah it also lessens the chance of them meeting someone they know...

"Djokar!  Tamerlan!  What up?
- Not now dude... we got no time for this!
- What's the rush?
- Srlsy... We gotta leave.
- Hey.. Wait! You left your bag !!!"
2013-04-23 04:40:51 PM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.


"Send the rookies out" is pretty much common practice for Jihadists everywhere.  Bomb placement, even for non-suicide types, is reserved for the low level types.  Over in the desert, being a bomb *maker* is a skilled position that merits additional protection.

Clemkadidlefark: Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


The vast majority of your questions can be summed up from three-four sources:  Full ride scholarship at UMAS for Dzhokhar has already been reported, and for the rest:  welfare, and family.  Their parents were not especially poor.  My parents have been supporting my unemployed brother's family for years.  House payment, insurance, car, car insurance, even food.  All paid for by Mom&Dad.  One thing to remember is that 'Family in Russia' doesn't mean that the family still in Russia are poor.

THX 1138: Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


That's the thing.  When I was growing up, WMDs were devices worthy of governments being concerned about other governments possessing them, practically on an individual device basis.  A 2k pound bomb was considered more or less unworthy of notice unless the enemy has thousands of them.  It was pretty much reserved for the 'big three' - chemical, biological, or nuclear.  Things that could take out multiple city blocks of people.

As such, calling devices such as the boston bombers detonated 'WMDs' seems to be a scare tactic to me.  I'm fine with calling it various things - destructive device, Improvised Explosive Device, bomb, etc...  But I think we need to save the WMD label for when it's appropriate - IE somebody actually attempts(or succeeds) to let loose with a CBRN device (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).
2013-04-23 04:00:33 PM
1 votes:

Maud Dib: CygnusDarius: Welp, an acquaintance from fb has been passing around this link (may containt tinfoil), which makes wanna facepalm.

Thx for the heads up on the dead body pics, farkface.


Ok, I apologize for that.
2013-04-23 03:29:09 PM
1 votes:

tommyl66: Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?

Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?


Actually, it is not a very good answer... both left the US, the mother arrested a couple of years ago for shoplifting, and it looks like the father lives in a crappy flea-ridden flat. They did not have money.

I think Clemkadidlefark's point is a good one. For some idiotic reason, other farkers in this thread think he's clinging on to a false flag conspiracy theory, I didn't get that at all, especially after his earlier post. I agree, this was a financed operation, Tamerlan met with somebody when he returned to Asia (via his trip to Russia) to finalize his plans and whatever else needed to be done.

The money question is always valid. I would like to think the FBI is investigating that angle thoroughly. This may yet trace back to al qaida.Chechen islamists are known to farm themselves out for "the cause" and take pride in not being squeamish with getting their hands bloody.

Let's not forget the Brendan Moss murder angle... I'd guess that was a test, both on the brothers' part to see that they could kill, up close and personal, without any qualms - as well as a demonstration that they would act on orders given by some organization.

As for the whole "muslims do not punch people in the face" - why can't that statement be an outright lie, said just to get out of boxing 'gracefully'?

Likewise, the pattern of behavior after the bombing simply indicates that they thought they'd get away with it. They were never given an exit plan because whoever they might have been answering to wanted them to die int he attack or see what sort of response they'd provoke from the police. There is valuable intelligence to be had when you know HOW somebody gets caught by your enemy - we all understand the intelligence assets available now to any agency that has to investigate a terror attack in a large US city now.
2013-04-23 03:29:01 PM
1 votes:
Yet again leave it to the 'press' to get the fact wrong, the article claims they had an M4 Carbine...

An M4 Carbine, a 7-12k dollar federally tracked and tax stamped fully automatic weapon???!!! Bullshiate, if anything they had an AR-15, a semi-auto rifle....

blog.robballen.com
2013-04-23 03:25:39 PM
1 votes:

wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?  I saw in one photo that batteries were involved, but I still don't get how they worked.  Were the pressure cookers turned on?  Why use pressure cookers if they weren't turned on (and I assume pressurized)? How were they detonated?  If they were detonated from a cell phone, why not detonate them from a long ways away where you won't be in so many photos?  How did they not accidentally go off while being carried if they were filled with explosives?


Do you actually want to talk about bomb construction on a public internet forum on April 23, 2013?

I could answer your question, but you should just Google it instead. That way, it'll cut the number of trips the FBI has to make in half, and that's an important cost savings in this economy.
2013-04-23 03:03:36 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


That's been my theory too.

I think they were honestly dumb enough to believe that no one could possibly link them to the bombing.  They were just two guys passing through a huge, open crowd.  Once they got safely away from the scene of the crime, they thought they were in the clear, and so they just went on with their lives for the next few days.

Then when the FBI released their photos, they must have had an epic "oh shiat" moment (which I would love to have seen), and then threw together on the fly an extremely poorly conceived and executed escape plan.
2013-04-23 02:47:33 PM
1 votes:

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: hobnail: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Every picture I have seen of him he looks like a complete farking retard.  Maybe he got hit in the head too many times boxing?

It has been proposed that there were head injuries... I think he might have had a severe reaction to the birth of his child that turned him into a whack job, like Scott Peterson. But instead of getting jealous about his kid taking up the wife's time and energy, he freaked out because he didn't like America as a place to raise his child. If his religious leanings tell him that America is not good enough and yet his daughter is an American citizen, he might have lost his shiat.

I know the people experience religious reawakenings when they have kids. My dad got very invested in religious teachings when my mom was pregnant, they formally joined a church and scheduled a baptism prior to my birth. My dad expressed significant remorse when the baptism of my brother was delayed due to a death in the family, he expected us to b ...


Tamerlan was an abusive douchbag, he was arrest for assaulting his girlfriend in 2009.

I'm not 100% sure if the abused GF is now his wife, it's not surprising he had a kid so soon after.

Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.

Asshats like this need someone to control and abuse 24/7 to make themselves feel good about themselves.

I guess pushing around women didn't do it for him anymore, so he decided to blow people up.
2013-04-23 02:46:21 PM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


gonna go out on a limb and say financial aid and student loans like most people.
2013-04-23 02:38:06 PM
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miss diminutive: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"


They went after two groups:
1) Bostonians
2) People who run 26 miles for fun.

Before we knew anything else, we already knew that they were dumb.
2013-04-23 02:33:54 PM
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hobnail: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Every picture I have seen of him he looks like a complete farking retard.  Maybe he got hit in the head too many times boxing?


It's 1,000,000% obvious that he's totally obsessed with himself.  His over-confidence is what got them caught.
2013-04-23 02:26:54 PM
1 votes:
They sound like the crew from Four Lions.

/funny movie, BTW.
2013-04-23 02:19:07 PM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


My best guess:

Tamerlan was moving drugs/steroids and his Wife's parents are well off as well, they were probably paying for a lot of their expenses so the grandbaby would eat/have diapers. His "best friend" and 2 other where murdered and found with a bunch of MJ. Drug deal gone wrong?

Their marriage reminds me of my Mom's friend's niece, same situation. She worked 60-80 hours a week while he stayed home "watching the kid" and playing xbox. She felt she couldn't leave him because with her work hours he would get custody of the kid. Guy is a gigantic abusive douchebag.

The sad part of my story is that the niece killed herself because she felt that she could never escape him. My Mom's Friend and her brother are fighting douchebag for custody of kiddo.

/No one deserves an abusive partner, GTFO
//He wanted to be an engineer, for some reason engineers are easily radicalized.
///Source:  http://orientemiedo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/diego-gambetta-steffe n -hertog-why-are-there-so-many-engineers-among-islamic-radicals.pdf
2013-04-23 02:14:13 PM
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dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...


I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.
2013-04-23 02:02:55 PM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Can you spend six months without income in another nation? Not me. Probably not you.


Sure, You stay with family and friends. Which he had, and reportedly did. A ticket to Moscow can be as little as $500 bught in advance, maybe less. that's a few months without cable. Teens packpack across Europe form weeks and months on next to nothing.

I agree with much of your questions about finances, but honestly, I don't know that there is anything really conclusive there. It's not outside the realm of normalcy that he scroungedand swaved and borrowed some money and did odd jobs etc.

My family managed to take 3-5 kids to visit family in Europe every 4-5 years for decades on income just above welfare levels. (And pay for the local private school). Properly motivated, you can do an awful lot with minimal funds.
2013-04-23 01:56:06 PM
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Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


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You need facts to prove a conspiracy, not speculations.  If you start making connections that don't exist, if further discredits your claims.
2013-04-23 01:50:37 PM
1 votes:
This is what happens when the Twitter generation get angry.
2013-04-23 01:47:07 PM
1 votes:
Clemkadidlefark:
Indeed, where did all the money come from that allowed these two young men to do as they have done? Including the expense of making bombs out of $50 pressure cookers? Because what we know so far, they had expenses. Big expenses. And I see no visible means of support.


Mother Jones? What tootsie roll of wisdom do you drop on us?


Big expenses and no visible means of support pretty much defines the college experience.
2013-04-23 01:29:54 PM
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FLMountainMan: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!

Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.


I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.
2013-04-23 01:28:38 PM
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Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.
2013-04-23 01:28:02 PM
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indarwinsshadow: I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.


Welcome to the 21st Century, where everyone talks about everything everywhere. It's never going to end, either.
2013-04-23 01:26:12 PM
1 votes:
12. Bomb the Boston Marathon.
2013-04-23 01:25:06 PM
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Super Chronic: This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.


And McVeigh blew up a building, then... decided to drive around in a truck with no license plates, and *stopped* when an officer pulled him over.

It's like they can't think several steps ahead or something.
2013-04-23 01:24:50 PM
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Christian Bale: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


Well, maybe they thought this'd only warrant two stars. Two stars, you can shake off so long as you stay on the run and don't alert Johnny Law.

Three stars, and you're not getting out of that without a bribe or mod.

// video games made him do it
2013-04-23 01:23:50 PM
1 votes:

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!


Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.
2013-04-23 01:23:00 PM
1 votes:
Hell, even if they actually a cumulative IQ north of 100 and planned a respectable getaway, the very act in of itself only puts unwanted attention on their country of origin and Russia now gets to say "see what we deal, world?" with a huge, human-rights-be-damned smirk on their face.
2013-04-23 01:22:41 PM
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Christian Bale: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


After all, how could anyone POSSIBLY find them, in all that crowd and confusion?

//Never private in public
2013-04-23 01:21:23 PM
1 votes:
farkin' losers.
2013-04-23 01:21:19 PM
1 votes:
These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!
2013-04-23 01:19:28 PM
1 votes:

RoyHobbs22: Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?


Because that's cruel and tragic rather than stupid or bizarre.
2013-04-23 01:18:17 PM
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make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.


Sociopaths.  Just not very good ones.
2013-04-23 01:16:40 PM
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Yogimus: make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.

This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.


That pretty much summarizes my thoughts.
2013-04-23 01:15:08 PM
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Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.
2013-04-23 01:12:17 PM
1 votes:
Clearly a false flag then!


/how about Tamerlan dropping boxing because 'Muslims don't punch people in the face' shortly before dropping bombs in a public place?
2013-04-23 01:11:57 PM
1 votes:
Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?
2013-04-23 01:11:31 PM
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make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.


So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.
2013-04-23 01:01:57 PM
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Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...


the list in TFA fails without including his tweets.
2013-04-23 11:40:02 AM
1 votes:

make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...
2013-04-23 11:32:52 AM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?


I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.
2013-04-23 11:15:58 AM
1 votes:

James!: He went to a party?


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