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2013-04-23 10:56:52 AM
The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.
 
2013-04-23 11:02:20 AM

make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"
 
2013-04-23 11:03:25 AM
He went to a party?
 
2013-04-23 11:11:57 AM
Hardly the behavior of a hardened jihadi...
 
2013-04-23 11:15:58 AM

James!: He went to a party?


www.thedailyrash.com
 
2013-04-23 11:24:38 AM
When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?
 
2013-04-23 11:32:52 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?


I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.
 
2013-04-23 11:40:02 AM

make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...
 
2013-04-23 12:07:31 PM

Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...


I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.
 
2013-04-23 12:12:27 PM

miss diminutive: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"


Me too.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-23 12:16:17 PM
make me some tea:

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.


Getting some dumb kid to blow things up pretty much IS the MO of jihads.
 
2013-04-23 12:27:49 PM
Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??
 
2013-04-23 12:37:35 PM

vpb: Getting some dumb kid to blow things up pretty much IS the MO of jihads.


Well yeah, but usually the dumb kid offs himself along with the bomb, doesn't try to get away and act all smooth.

Suicide bombers are particularly scary because for them it's a zero sum game.
 
2013-04-23 01:01:57 PM

Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...


the list in TFA fails without including his tweets.
 
2013-04-23 01:08:03 PM

SlothB77: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

the list in TFA fails without including his tweets.


Indeed.
 
2013-04-23 01:10:44 PM
Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.
 
2013-04-23 01:11:31 PM

make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.


So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.
 
2013-04-23 01:11:57 PM
Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?
 
2013-04-23 01:12:17 PM
Clearly a false flag then!


/how about Tamerlan dropping boxing because 'Muslims don't punch people in the face' shortly before dropping bombs in a public place?
 
2013-04-23 01:13:11 PM

make me some tea: I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism.


... have we been reading the same articles about terrorists? Most of them are far from 'professional'
 
2013-04-23 01:13:34 PM

make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.


This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.
 
2013-04-23 01:14:46 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


To shoot your eye out.
 
2013-04-23 01:15:08 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.
 
2013-04-23 01:15:16 PM
Maybe they're just f*cking stupid.

With few exceptions, was there ever a tendency for murderers to be particularly intelligent?
 
2013-04-23 01:16:40 PM

Yogimus: make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.

This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.


That pretty much summarizes my thoughts.
 
2013-04-23 01:17:22 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


Yeah, they seemed to whip up "phase two" of their plan on the fly, and it was just terrible.

Or maybe they only read the NY Post and 4chan and assumed the authorities would be going after the 17-year-old kid and his friend with the orange juice in his backpack.
 
2013-04-23 01:18:12 PM
Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?
 
2013-04-23 01:18:17 PM

Rapmaster2000: What does that get you?


Killed or caught, apparently.

The sad thing is that these two seem so ridiculously stupid at this point that I have to believe we were basically one butterfly wing flap away from a comical story about two Russian kids blowing themselves up in a dorm room instead of the ongoing tragedy we actually wound up with.
 
2013-04-23 01:18:17 PM

make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.


Sociopaths.  Just not very good ones.
 
2013-04-23 01:18:22 PM

IgG4: Hardly the behavior of a hardened jihadi...


But certainly the behavior of a crazy person who just bombed people.

It DOES actually make sense if you consider that he previously may have killed his best friend and got away with it. Psychopaths are master liars and disassociators. "He seemed like a normal guy" to me is reinforcing evidence that he was a psychopath.
 
2013-04-23 01:18:32 PM
Clearly the fact that the younger one was a pot smoker created this slippery slope of planting pressure cooker bombs.
 
2013-04-23 01:19:28 PM

RoyHobbs22: Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?


Because that's cruel and tragic rather than stupid or bizarre.
 
2013-04-23 01:19:31 PM
This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.
 
2013-04-23 01:20:10 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


You could break the skin and it could cause a very painful infection

/moose out front shoulda told ya
 
2013-04-23 01:20:25 PM
And yet the conspiritards will believe this was all staged.
 
2013-04-23 01:20:44 PM

Turfshoe: Clearly the fact that the younger one was a pot smoker created this slippery slope of planting pressure cooker bombs.


And as we all know pressure cooker bombs are just a gateway device to car bombs...  my god, we need to ban pot roasts!
 
2013-04-23 01:21:19 PM
These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!
 
2013-04-23 01:21:23 PM
farkin' losers.
 
2013-04-23 01:21:29 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


In case there are any stray cats around.
 
2013-04-23 01:22:21 PM
Is number 1 'blow people up'?  Because I think that's pretty bizarre.

Rapmaster2000: This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?


Fifteen to life.
 
2013-04-23 01:22:41 PM

Christian Bale: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


After all, how could anyone POSSIBLY find them, in all that crowd and confusion?

//Never private in public
 
2013-04-23 01:23:00 PM
Hell, even if they actually a cumulative IQ north of 100 and planned a respectable getaway, the very act in of itself only puts unwanted attention on their country of origin and Russia now gets to say "see what we deal, world?" with a huge, human-rights-be-damned smirk on their face.
 
2013-04-23 01:23:33 PM
Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $800 and change to just over $1,100 round trip.


I have not yet seen reports on the guns recovered, make, model etc. But let's assume one handgun each, semi-automatics and in nine millimeter. Speculation in the press says they capped the MIT officer with one gun to get another gun.  Speculation.On the off-market in the Boston area chances are, in this heated market for gun purchases they likely spent at least $500 for each if not a lot more. That's another grand on the low side. Then, ammunition. Golly, this list gets longer each paragraph.


Younger brother Dzhokhar we know had a Honda. Again, for an unemployed student liable for well past $10 grand annually to UMass Dartmouth, how'd he come up with the money for a car? Licensing, tags, insurance? I've not yet seen reports on what, if anything, Tamerlane had some sort of connection with a Mercedes which was in the shop. His? Wife's Her family? But still ... where did the money come from for a Mercedes, repairs, license, insurance, tags .. you know the drill.


You see my point?


Unemployed Tamerlane flew to Russia and spent six months news reports say, as far as we know without employment, and managed not to starve to death. His over-employed wife back home grinding it out to pay the bills. Can you buy a RT ticket to Russia and just take-off including all the attendant costs? Can you spend six months without income in another nation? Not me. Probably not you.


So, where'd the money come from?


Indeed, where did all the money come from that allowed these two young men to do as they have done? Including the expense of making bombs out of $50 pressure cookers? Because what we know so far, they had expenses. Big expenses. And I see no visible means of support.


Mother Jones? What tootsie roll of wisdom do you drop on us?
 
2013-04-23 01:23:45 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


That's kind of my take on it too.  If they suddenly both dropped out of sight as soon as the bombings happened, they'd have brought more suspicion on themselves.  However if they went about their regular routines, there would be less reason to think they were involved.  This is all in the absence of video evidence, of course, which seems to have spooked them once it came out.
 
2013-04-23 01:23:48 PM

CtrlAltDelete: Maybe they're just f*cking stupid.

With few exceptions, was there ever a tendency for murderers to be particularly intelligent?


I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence. You may not agree with one's reasons for the crime but most often - you understand it. You get it.

Someone kills their spouse for the money? Yeah, that makes sense. It's wrong but I can understand the motive.

So far - we haven't been told a motive and their decisions seems unexpected/inconsistent with how we would assume other criminals would behave.
 
2013-04-23 01:23:50 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!


Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.
 
2013-04-23 01:23:53 PM
..and, remind me not to post on my phone again. I only missed about five words in that comment.
 
2013-04-23 01:24:46 PM
12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.
 
2013-04-23 01:24:47 PM
Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.
 
2013-04-23 01:24:50 PM

Christian Bale: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


Well, maybe they thought this'd only warrant two stars. Two stars, you can shake off so long as you stay on the run and don't alert Johnny Law.

Three stars, and you're not getting out of that without a bribe or mod.

// video games made him do it
 
2013-04-23 01:25:06 PM

Super Chronic: This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.


And McVeigh blew up a building, then... decided to drive around in a truck with no license plates, and *stopped* when an officer pulled him over.

It's like they can't think several steps ahead or something.
 
2013-04-23 01:25:43 PM
I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:12 PM
12. Bomb the Boston Marathon.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:16 PM

Bontesla: Yogimus: make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.

This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.

That pretty much summarizes my thoughts.


Same here. But I do look forward to seeing what the actual bomber has to say about it, if anything.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:23 PM

Oldiron_79: Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.


He's never going into general population.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:33 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: IgG4: Hardly the behavior of a hardened jihadi...

But certainly the behavior of a crazy person who just bombed people.

It DOES actually make sense if you consider that he previously may have killed his best friend and got away with it. Psychopaths are master liars and disassociators. "He seemed like a normal guy" to me is reinforcing evidence that he was a psychopath.


But the older brother wasn't normal. He didn't fit in. He was a terrible liar and couldn't disassociate himself. When the two were identified - so many people thought it made total sense that the older brother would be mixed in with this.

The younger brother seems like your sociopath.
 
2013-04-23 01:27:34 PM
It's what if Harold and Kumar actually did try to become terrorists. Although those two would've been a little smarter.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Maybe it's more like Bill and Ted...

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-23 01:28:02 PM

indarwinsshadow: I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.


Welcome to the 21st Century, where everyone talks about everything everywhere. It's never going to end, either.
 
2013-04-23 01:28:38 PM
Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.
 
2013-04-23 01:28:54 PM

Rapmaster2000: Oldiron_79: Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.

He's never going into general population.


He'll be in a hole in a Supermax prison until he's executed. Allegedly.
 
2013-04-23 01:29:19 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-23 01:29:54 PM

FLMountainMan: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!

Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.


I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.
 
2013-04-23 01:30:30 PM

Clemkadidlefark: make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.

So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.


This thought hadn't crossed my mind, and is actually somewhat likely and very frightening.
 
2013-04-23 01:31:09 PM

Felgraf: Super Chronic: This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.

And McVeigh blew up a building, then... decided to drive around in a truck with no license plates, and *stopped* when an officer pulled him over.

It's like they can't think several steps ahead or something.


Or like invading a country, and having no real plan to occupy it and rebuild it.  Just assuming "they'll welcome us as liberators, what can go wrong?"
 
2013-04-23 01:31:49 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.


Boston is in Massachusetts.  It's a weapon of Mass. destruction.
 
2013-04-23 01:33:29 PM

make me some tea: Bontesla: Yogimus: make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.

This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.

That pretty much summarizes my thoughts.

Same here. But I do look forward to seeing what the actual bomber has to say about it, if anything.


God... I'd LOVE to see answers to all of these questions being raised.
 
2013-04-23 01:33:42 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.


I, too, am glad that our government takes it seriously when a device the size of a household cooking pot (and is in fact made of a cooking pot) but injures/kills nearly 200 people, then labels it a weapon of mass destruction. I would hate to have this sort of thing treated as a "boys will be boys" joke when they intended to do real damage to people. For its comparative size to the amount of damage done, it did create mass destruction, IMO.
 
2013-04-23 01:34:31 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: 12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.


Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!
 
2013-04-23 01:35:09 PM
Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?

Farking Soros, that's who.  Wake up, sheeple!
 
2013-04-23 01:35:33 PM
It could break the skin and start a very ugly infection
 
2013-04-23 01:35:34 PM
I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.
 
2013-04-23 01:35:40 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com
 
2013-04-23 01:36:56 PM
#1 Blow up innocent people?
 
2013-04-23 01:37:32 PM
Bontesla:Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

Actually, his tweets are one of the smart things he did do.   His number one goal is to act like he had nothing to do with it.   How to achieve that? Do what you normally do.. go to parties, tell people to be safe from the terror, etc.

If one is very active on social media, and then when a huge story in your home town hits, and you are silent about it, THAT is what becomes suspicious.    Fleeing, also would've been suspicious.
 
2013-04-23 01:37:53 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

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Careful, you'll put someone's eye out with that.
 
2013-04-23 01:42:01 PM

THX 1138: Prank Call of Cthulhu: 12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.

Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


After Taco Bell, I often crap weapons of mass destruction.
 
2013-04-23 01:42:10 PM
I would have thought that 'blow up the Boston Marathon' might have made the list of "The 11 most bizarre things the Tsarnaev brothers did "
 
2013-04-23 01:42:52 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?


They're not. One is a value judgment.
 
2013-04-23 01:44:20 PM

Flab: James!: He went to a party?

[www.thedailyrash.com image 613x498]


www.partyviberadio.com
 
2013-04-23 01:44:42 PM

indarwinsshadow: I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.


Subheadline on CNN.com right now: "How a Pressure Cooker Bomb Works"
 
2013-04-23 01:45:08 PM
Tatsuma:/how about Tamerlan dropping boxing because 'Muslims don't punch people in the face' shortly before dropping bombs in a public place?

Bombs are not fists. It may be a strange statement, but it's not inconsistent. Maybe he meant that Muslims don't stoop to mere fisticuffs. Or maybe he meant that Muslims don't fight as a sport. There are lots of ways to read that.
 
2013-04-23 01:45:14 PM

gilgigamesh: I made it as far as "the FBI and its media" before my eyes rolled out of my head.


?? Does the FBI not have a PR department? A press agent? Some department in charge of what to release, how to release it, and how to spin it? We're talking about the agency that's been behind the majority of the "terror attacks" since 9/11 here, in the interest of entrapment.
 
2013-04-23 01:45:34 PM

Sybarite: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

National Lampoon's Family Vacation.jpg

Mind reader! Neatly avoided simulpost.
 
2013-04-23 01:45:42 PM

Clemkadidlefark: make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.

So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.


I have flipped-flopped. The paranoid part of me says that this was a test of the system, these guys are the scouting party. The rational part of me says that these guys were amateurs.
 
2013-04-23 01:46:47 PM

ShawnDoc: Or like invading a country, and having no real plan to occupy it and rebuild it. Just assuming "they'll welcome us as liberators, what can go wrong?"


Not everybody is as meek  and dependent as Boston. Foreign countries, even less so.
 
2013-04-23 01:47:07 PM
Clemkadidlefark:
Indeed, where did all the money come from that allowed these two young men to do as they have done? Including the expense of making bombs out of $50 pressure cookers? Because what we know so far, they had expenses. Big expenses. And I see no visible means of support.


Mother Jones? What tootsie roll of wisdom do you drop on us?


Big expenses and no visible means of support pretty much defines the college experience.
 
2013-04-23 01:47:17 PM

THX 1138: Piece of crap? According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


What's funny is I had some delicious black-eyed peas and ham last night and I cooked it in less than an hour. With a weapon of mass destruction!
 
2013-04-23 01:48:00 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...
CONSPIRACY!


FTFY

Just because you don't know the answer to something doesn't mean the answer is being hidden.
 
2013-04-23 01:48:05 PM
Until I hear what Gov Jesse Ventura has to say on the subject, I will not be able to fully comment.  His deep thoughts and analysis of the 9/11 attacks gives him credence.

Jesse - where art thou?

What is the REAL story behind:
- the Boston Bombings
- the Canadian Attempted Train derailings
- the MLB game delay yesterday of the Braves and Rockies due to snow?

All of this must be inter-related.   Just need to know how
 
2013-04-23 01:50:37 PM
This is what happens when the Twitter generation get angry.
 
2013-04-23 01:51:49 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


Exactly what it seems like to me as well.  Everything they did makes it seem like they didn't think there was any way they would be linked to the bombings.
 
2013-04-23 01:53:15 PM
I thought the most bizarre thing was that there is/was no statement from the bombers. Until they tell me what I should be terrified of, I'm gonna keep on being an American Imperialist Pigdog. Makes the whole thing a waste of time, really.
 
2013-04-23 01:53:45 PM
Either they were really really stupid, or they never planned on escaping in the first place - i.e. martyrdom.
 
2013-04-23 01:55:30 PM

Theaetetus: Bombs are not fists. It may be a strange statement, but it's not inconsistent. Maybe he meant that Muslims don't stoop to mere fisticuffs. Or maybe he meant that Muslims don't fight as a sport. There are lots of ways to read that.


I've watched a lecture on YouTube about Islam and sport from which I gathered that certain sports are haram because they emphasize personal glory rather than team or community values.

The sad part was that this imam proceeded to twist all that around to sell his own personal preference for football over cricket as somehow divinely sanctioned. Typical "religious" jerk-off.
 
2013-04-23 01:55:30 PM

vento: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.
Exactly what it seems like to me as well.  Everything they did makes it seem like they didn't think there was any way they would be linked to the bombings.


It is pretty amazing that they were properly identified by the FBI after the 10 miles of bullshiat false leads and speculation they had to swim through.
 
2013-04-23 01:56:06 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


24.media.tumblr.com

You need facts to prove a conspiracy, not speculations.  If you start making connections that don't exist, if further discredits your claims.
 
2013-04-23 01:56:25 PM

Yogimus: This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.


So let's treat it like a mass shooting.

We need bomb control.  Once we ban bombs, we won't have to worry about things like this.  Oh, wait. . .
 
2013-04-23 01:57:39 PM

RoyHobbs22: Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?


That was my first thought as well.  I figured the article would say, "Outside of the obvious #1 choice..." or something like that, but it didn't.
 
2013-04-23 01:57:50 PM

JohnCarter: Until I hear what Gov Jesse Ventura has to say on the subject, I will not be able to fully comment.  His deep thoughts and analysis of the 9/11 attacks gives him credence.

Jesse - where art thou?

What is the REAL story behind:
- the Boston Bombings
- the Canadian Attempted Train derailings
- the MLB game delay yesterday of the Braves and Rockies due to snow?

All of this must be inter-related.   Just need to know how


Two words.........underwear gnomes!
 
2013-04-23 01:58:05 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: FLMountainMan: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!

Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.

I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.


Perhaps it was his lucky shirt.
 
2013-04-23 01:58:09 PM

make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


I agree. I'm getting to the point where I almost feel bad for Johar because it seems like he was just tagging along with his brother. Doesn't mean he isn't going to spend the rest of his long life in solitary confinement, but it does explain WTF he was doing there in the first place.
 
2013-04-23 01:58:21 PM

miss diminutive: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"


shiat. The time for action is now. Round up everyone that posts on the politics tab. It's the only way.
 
2013-04-23 02:00:04 PM
Why a BB gun?

What else would you do with the left over BBs?
 
2013-04-23 02:00:06 PM

Christian Bale: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


Pretty much.  Nobody thought Boston's reaction would be "we're going to lock down the entire city until we find you."

Most people who plan events like this don't actually have a follow-up plan.  I think it's one of the warning signs the FBI looks for in a suspect.

Moreover, this is where conspiracies come from.  "Wait, any two stupid idiots can blow up a marathon with $200 worth of junk, and there's nothing we can do to stop them?"

"Nope."

"And there was no reason at all that three people died and hundreds were injured including dozens of amputees?"

"None at all."

 It's a lot more comforting to think that there was a reason, or that someone is responsible, or that it mattered somehow, to someone.
 
2013-04-23 02:01:49 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?
 
2013-04-23 02:01:53 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


Hoping people would mistake it for a real gun?

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


Also sounds like they were basically trying to look like bad asses - that's why they told the carjacking victim who they were.  It was a Hollywood style "I'm a bad dude, don't mess with me" moment.  Teenage angst, wanting to seem "legit" to your (perceived) heritage and YouTube propaganda is a dangerous mix
 
2013-04-23 02:02:01 PM

netgamer7k: And yet the conspiritards will believe this was all staged.


Believe it or not,  there are people dumber than terrorists.
 
2013-04-23 02:02:30 PM
Wear a backwards hat and no sunglasses.

2.bp.blogspot.com

Amateurs!
 
2013-04-23 02:02:44 PM
Just goes to show, the biggest key to getting away committing any crime is trying to keep your identity to the crime a secret.  Which in today's information age is very difficult.
 
2013-04-23 02:02:55 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Can you spend six months without income in another nation? Not me. Probably not you.


Sure, You stay with family and friends. Which he had, and reportedly did. A ticket to Moscow can be as little as $500 bught in advance, maybe less. that's a few months without cable. Teens packpack across Europe form weeks and months on next to nothing.

I agree with much of your questions about finances, but honestly, I don't know that there is anything really conclusive there. It's not outside the realm of normalcy that he scroungedand swaved and borrowed some money and did odd jobs etc.

My family managed to take 3-5 kids to visit family in Europe every 4-5 years for decades on income just above welfare levels. (And pay for the local private school). Properly motivated, you can do an awful lot with minimal funds.
 
2013-04-23 02:06:30 PM
They rarely catch the really smart ones, submitter.
 
2013-04-23 02:07:15 PM
maybe because counter terrorism kept saying.. "ya gonna do it?  ya gonna do it?".. just to make sure they wouldn't do it.  It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in
 
2013-04-23 02:08:40 PM

wxboy: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: FLMountainMan: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!

Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.

I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.

Perhaps it was his lucky shirt.


I guess he is pretty lucky that he didn't blow himself up with the bombs.
 
2013-04-23 02:09:45 PM

biggestdog420: It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed. just say'in


What more do you expect to hear?  Crazy mom says FBI were talking to him, the FBI released a statement saying no they hadn't.  Press reported both her side and the FBI's response.  What more is their to discuss?
 
2013-04-23 02:09:47 PM
The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...
 
2013-04-23 02:09:53 PM
How about killing and maiming a bunch of innocent people because you think your God will be pleased?
 
2013-04-23 02:10:47 PM

biggestdog420: maybe because counter terrorism kept saying.. "ya gonna do it?  ya gonna do it?".. just to make sure they wouldn't do it.  It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in


The media has made a pretty big deal about the fact that he was interviewed by the FBI. Are you not paying attention? It was brought up by Congress in debate of the Immigration Bill yesterday, too. They were saying that immigrants applying for citizenship would not get personal interviews, like Timur the Lame did.
 
2013-04-23 02:13:55 PM
Crazy apparently doesn't fall far from the crazy tree.
 
2013-04-23 02:14:13 PM

dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...


I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.
 
2013-04-23 02:15:12 PM

gilgigamesh: CygnusDarius: Welp, an acquaintance from fb has been passing around this link (may containt tinfoil), which makes wanna facepalm.

I made it as far as "the FBI and its media" before my eyes rolled out of my head.


I have a fascination with derp, I continued on further.

I was flabbergasted.
 
2013-04-23 02:16:34 PM

Ed Grubermann: netgamer7k: And yet the conspiritards will believe this was all staged.

Believe it or not,  there are people dumber than terrorists.


I have one on my FB feed. Apparently, Jewfro was photographed getting out of the boat under his own power, and was subsequently beat the fark to hell and back (or...was it a body double?) after trying to shoot himself before climbing out?

Nothing adds up in the story, so therefore the government did it.
 
2013-04-23 02:17:29 PM

THX 1138: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

That's kind of my take on it too.  If they suddenly both dropped out of sight as soon as the bombings happened, they'd have brought more suspicion on themselves.  However if they went about their regular routines, there would be less reason to think they were involved.  This is all in the absence of video evidence, of course, which seems to have spooked them once it came out.


I doubt they would have brought any suspicion on themselves. Who was going to miss them? They didn't seem to have much contact with family here. The older brother didn't have a job. And a phone call to one or two friends would have put their group of friends at ease. And as for the younger brother I really don't know how much the school would have cared if he stopped attending.

So either way, if they would have dropped out of sight or went about their regular business, I doubt that they would have been caught until they said something to somebody or tried another attack, if the pictures of them didn't come out.
 
2013-04-23 02:19:07 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


My best guess:

Tamerlan was moving drugs/steroids and his Wife's parents are well off as well, they were probably paying for a lot of their expenses so the grandbaby would eat/have diapers. His "best friend" and 2 other where murdered and found with a bunch of MJ. Drug deal gone wrong?

Their marriage reminds me of my Mom's friend's niece, same situation. She worked 60-80 hours a week while he stayed home "watching the kid" and playing xbox. She felt she couldn't leave him because with her work hours he would get custody of the kid. Guy is a gigantic abusive douchebag.

The sad part of my story is that the niece killed herself because she felt that she could never escape him. My Mom's Friend and her brother are fighting douchebag for custody of kiddo.

/No one deserves an abusive partner, GTFO
//He wanted to be an engineer, for some reason engineers are easily radicalized.
///Source:  http://orientemiedo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/diego-gambetta-steffe n -hertog-why-are-there-so-many-engineers-among-islamic-radicals.pdf
 
2013-04-23 02:19:23 PM

biggestdog420: maybe because counter terrorism kept saying.. "ya gonna do it?  ya gonna do it?".. just to make sure they wouldn't do it.  It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in


When they were first identified, news outlets were saying that the older brother had been previously questioned by the FBI, so makes sense to me.
 
2013-04-23 02:20:32 PM

minnesotaboy: It's what if Harold and Kumar actually did try to become terrorists. Although those two would've been a little smarter.

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Maybe it's more like Bill and Ted...

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I am not sure "Be excellent to each other", and "Party on dudes" is particularly well suited an ideology to exploding bombs in crowded places.

/although as most real religions show, no matter how peace loving it might start, a couple of generations down the line and chinese whispers has turned the message for some of the followers into "kill the unbelievers"
 
2013-04-23 02:21:57 PM

wxboy: Perhaps it was his lucky shirt.


Should have been wearing it Friday.
 
2013-04-23 02:22:01 PM

biggestdog420: maybe because counter terrorism kept saying.. "ya gonna do it?  ya gonna do it?".. just to make sure they wouldn't do it.  It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in


That was addressed actually.  The Russian government actually alerted the FBI about the older brother in 2010 I think who investigated then cleared him before during his citizenship application.  He apparently was not so hardcore at the time.
 
2013-04-23 02:22:16 PM

Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?


I heard that they shot him because they wanted to get a real gun for the younger brother.  It doesn't make sense to me, but then again, these guys were obviously not all that bright.  You'd think it would be better to slip away under the radar without a gun rather than bring attention to yourself for the sake of getting one.  Perhaps these bombers had watched too many action thriller movies...
 
2013-04-23 02:22:29 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: biggestdog420: maybe because counter terrorism kept saying.. "ya gonna do it?  ya gonna do it?".. just to make sure they wouldn't do it.  It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in

The media has made a pretty big deal about the fact that he was interviewed by the FBI. Are you not paying attention? It was brought up by Congress in debate of the Immigration Bill yesterday, too. They were saying that immigrants applying for citizenship would not get personal interviews, like Timur the Lame did.

The FBI says they interviewed him at the request of Russia, found nothing conclusive and shut the books on it.  The mother says the FBI spoke with him on a regular basis.  WHICH IS IT?

 
2013-04-23 02:22:59 PM
So we caught them because they were stupid.

Way to go America.
 
2013-04-23 02:23:05 PM

ongbok: THX 1138: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

That's kind of my take on it too.  If they suddenly both dropped out of sight as soon as the bombings happened, they'd have brought more suspicion on themselves.  However if they went about their regular routines, there would be less reason to think they were involved.  This is all in the absence of video evidence, of course, which seems to have spooked them once it came out.

I doubt they would have brought any suspicion on themselves. Who was going to miss them? They didn't seem to have much contact with family here. The older brother didn't have a job. And a phone call to one or two friends would have put their group of friends at ease. And as for the younger brother I really don't know how much the school would have cared if he stopped attending.

So either way, if they would have dropped out of sight or went about their regular business, I doubt that they would have been caught until they said something to somebody or tried another attack, if the pictures of them didn't come out.


I agree. No one notices that you're mum on an issue when 23,985,568 other people are talking about it. They could have been out of the country if they'd planned properly, well before their pictures were released. If that draws suspicion, so what? They're gone! Instead, their cunning plan was, "not get caught" and they did whatever they do normally in their lives, which was not going to end well for them. I mean... the FBI wanted everyone's pictures, they surely weren't so oblivious at the finish line not to notice the cameras... that should have indicated to them on Tuesday/Wednesday that it was time to go. Still not identified, still not suspects... so GO! but no... Thursday, when shiat got real, then they made a bunch of stupid moves and farked up big time.

Since they had more explosives, you may conclude that they had more potential targets, but why would they wait until after they were in the news to attack again? Lazy stupid idiots. They were just too dumb to function: See - running over brother.
 
2013-04-23 02:25:48 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.


Every picture I have seen of him he looks like a complete farking retard.  Maybe he got hit in the head too many times boxing?
 
2013-04-23 02:26:54 PM
They sound like the crew from Four Lions.

/funny movie, BTW.
 
2013-04-23 02:27:28 PM

biggestdog420: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: biggestdog420: maybe because counter terrorism kept saying.. "ya gonna do it?  ya gonna do it?".. just to make sure they wouldn't do it.  It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in

The media has made a pretty big deal about the fact that he was interviewed by the FBI. Are you not paying attention? It was brought up by Congress in debate of the Immigration Bill yesterday, too. They were saying that immigrants applying for citizenship would not get personal interviews, like Timur the Lame did.

The FBI says they interviewed him at the request of Russia, found nothing conclusive and shut the books on it.  The mother says the FBI spoke with him on a regular basis.  WHICH IS IT?


His dad thought Joker was a second year medical student and Tamerlan was a professional fighter. The older one quit boxing for religious reasons and the younger one only graduated from high school in 2011. Which is it? Their uncle thought they were losers and their father thought Joker was an angel. Which is it? Do you really think the family knows the truth? Maybe he said he talked to the FBI all the time as a service to the US, as he's such a good son and citizen, right? His mother lives in Russia, she has no facts that prove the FBI chatted with him on the regular....
 
2013-04-23 02:30:53 PM

palelizard: THX 1138: Prank Call of Cthulhu: 12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.

Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!

After Taco Bell, I often crap weapons of mass destruction.


Not me. After Taco Bell, I crap weapons of ass destruction.
 
2013-04-23 02:31:49 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.


Pretty much huh? "I've done nothing with my life and all the advantages given to me and this causes me to feel unfulfilled...IT MUST BE AMERICA'S FAULT!!!11!!ONE!"


Also, upon further thought, he probably didn't want to go back to Chechnya to fight for his country because it gets awful Putiny over there whenever anyone steps out of line.
 
2013-04-23 02:33:23 PM

Theaetetus: Tatsuma:/how about Tamerlan dropping boxing because 'Muslims don't punch people in the face' shortly before dropping bombs in a public place?

Bombs are not fists. It may be a strange statement, but it's not inconsistent. Maybe he meant that Muslims don't stoop to mere fisticuffs. Or maybe he meant that Muslims don't fight as a sport. There are lots of ways to read that.


Hyper-religious people will use any excuse to justify, well anything.

It's just like the people who burned Harry Potter and D&D books for being "satanic".

/Nuttiness is not limited to any religion
 
2013-04-23 02:33:54 PM

hobnail: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Every picture I have seen of him he looks like a complete farking retard.  Maybe he got hit in the head too many times boxing?


It's 1,000,000% obvious that he's totally obsessed with himself.  His over-confidence is what got them caught.
 
2013-04-23 02:34:09 PM

ShawnDoc: biggestdog420: It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed. just say'in

What more do you expect to hear?  Crazy mom says FBI were talking to him, the FBI released a statement saying no they hadn't.  Press reported both her side and the FBI's response.  What more is their to discuss?


i suppose its too much to ask for skype records?  dates?  they talked to him once?  twice?  Maybe invite the mother here to be interviewed and asked what she thinks constitutes regular contact?  Did they interview him in person?  did they ever talk to him on skype or the phone?  It just seems really easy for them to just say, "yeah we talked to him once, but so what?  we talk to a lot of people".
 
2013-04-23 02:35:15 PM

hobnail: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Every picture I have seen of him he looks like a complete farking retard.  Maybe he got hit in the head too many times boxing?


It has been proposed that there were head injuries... I think he might have had a severe reaction to the birth of his child that turned him into a whack job, like Scott Peterson. But instead of getting jealous about his kid taking up the wife's time and energy, he freaked out because he didn't like America as a place to raise his child. If his religious leanings tell him that America is not good enough and yet his daughter is an American citizen, he might have lost his shiat.

I know the people experience religious reawakenings when they have kids. My dad got very invested in religious teachings when my mom was pregnant, they formally joined a church and scheduled a baptism prior to my birth. My dad expressed significant remorse when the baptism of my brother was delayed due to a death in the family, he expected us to be baptized immediately. Fortunately, my dad is not a crazy type religious nut, but you kind of role the dice on that. Much later in life, I did realize that my dad really had a hardcore hatred for the Catholic Church and had made thinly veiled references to the Pope as the Antichrist. But he didn't get weird until he was otherwise messed up (mental health issues) or he could have been one of those freaks that acts on their crazy beliefs.
 
2013-04-23 02:38:06 PM

miss diminutive: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"


They went after two groups:
1) Bostonians
2) People who run 26 miles for fun.

Before we knew anything else, we already knew that they were dumb.
 
2013-04-23 02:38:24 PM

dallylamma: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Pretty much huh? "I've done nothing with my life and all the advantages given to me and this causes me to feel unfulfilled...IT MUST BE AMERICA'S FAULT!!!11!!ONE!"


Also, upon further thought, he probably didn't want to go back to Chechnya to fight for his country because it gets awful Putiny over there whenever anyone steps out of line.


Yeah, I wouldn't expect someone as self-obsessed as he is to actually really put himself out there for his Chechen brethren. Plus, Putin is pretty much a real life Russian Superhero, right? Isn't that what the memes tell me? Him and Chuck Norris?
 
2013-04-23 02:41:06 PM

Bontesla: make me some tea: Bontesla: Yogimus: make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.

This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.

That pretty much summarizes my thoughts.

Same here. But I do look forward to seeing what the actual bomber has to say about it, if anything.

God... I'd LOVE to see answers to all of these questions being raised.


He's talking
http://samuel-warde.com/2013/04/alleged-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-rev ea ls-details-of-attack-video/
 
2013-04-23 02:41:44 PM

biggestdog420: It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in


"Yeah mom, I'm doing great over here, really! Yep, the boxing career is taking off! I might even be champion before too long! I know! It's awesome! Anything else? Well, let's see... The FBI calls me every once in a while to see if I know anything, and I help them any way I can. Uh huh. Yep, they call me. Oh, and last week I went fishing, it was awesome. I caught a huge shark, like 10 feet long, no, more like 20 feet, it was crazy! No, in the ocean. Yeah, you can do that! Yep, a big, huge shark. And when we brought it in to shore they cut the stomach open and a little kid fell out, gasping for air. Yeah, I saved him! I know, so awesome! Anything else? Oh, I almost forgot, remember how I told you I was thinking about trying out golfing sometime? Uh huh. Yeah, I played Augusta National last weekend, it's like the best field in the country. Anyways, I shot a 38, which is like a record or something. Yeah! Really! They gave me a trophy and everything! Yep, first time on a course! I guess I'm just that good! OK mom, I gotta go. OK, I will. And can you send me that $500 soon, my bank is still screwy and hasn't processed my $25,000 paycheck. I know, frustrating! Thanks ma!"
 
2013-04-23 02:45:27 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


Good questions...
 
2013-04-23 02:46:21 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


gonna go out on a limb and say financial aid and student loans like most people.
 
2013-04-23 02:47:27 PM

tommyl66: biggestdog420: It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed.   just say'in

"Yeah mom, I'm doing great over here, really! Yep, the boxing career is taking off! I might even be champion before too long! I know! It's awesome! Anything else? Well, let's see... The FBI calls me every once in a while to see if I know anything, and I help them any way I can. Uh huh. Yep, they call me. Oh, and last week I went fishing, it was awesome. I caught a huge shark, like 10 feet long, no, more like 20 feet, it was crazy! No, in the ocean. Yeah, you can do that! Yep, a big, huge shark. And when we brought it in to shore they cut the stomach open and a little kid fell out, gasping for air. Yeah, I saved him! I know, so awesome! Anything else? Oh, I almost forgot, remember how I told you I was thinking about trying out golfing sometime? Uh huh. Yeah, I played Augusta National last weekend, it's like the best field in the country. Anyways, I shot a 38, which is like a record or something. Yeah! Really! They gave me a trophy and everything! Yep, first time on a course! I guess I'm just that good! OK mom, I gotta go. OK, I will. And can you send me that $500 soon, my bank is still screwy and hasn't processed my $25,000 paycheck. I know, frustrating! Thanks ma!"


Sounds about right. Add, "yep, the baby is going into 2nd grade, she's too smart to start in Kindergarten even at 3. Oh, yeah, Joker is studying all day and night, but still has time to come to dinner with the wife and I!"
 
2013-04-23 02:47:33 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: hobnail: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Every picture I have seen of him he looks like a complete farking retard.  Maybe he got hit in the head too many times boxing?

It has been proposed that there were head injuries... I think he might have had a severe reaction to the birth of his child that turned him into a whack job, like Scott Peterson. But instead of getting jealous about his kid taking up the wife's time and energy, he freaked out because he didn't like America as a place to raise his child. If his religious leanings tell him that America is not good enough and yet his daughter is an American citizen, he might have lost his shiat.

I know the people experience religious reawakenings when they have kids. My dad got very invested in religious teachings when my mom was pregnant, they formally joined a church and scheduled a baptism prior to my birth. My dad expressed significant remorse when the baptism of my brother was delayed due to a death in the family, he expected us to b ...


Tamerlan was an abusive douchbag, he was arrest for assaulting his girlfriend in 2009.

I'm not 100% sure if the abused GF is now his wife, it's not surprising he had a kid so soon after.

Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.

Asshats like this need someone to control and abuse 24/7 to make themselves feel good about themselves.

I guess pushing around women didn't do it for him anymore, so he decided to blow people up.
 
2013-04-23 02:48:10 PM

make me some tea: Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


It could make the difference between life in prison or the death penalty though. Reports make it seem like he has been cooperative with investigators so far. So, that might convince the government not to seek the death penalty at all. Or, a jury who finds him guilty but truly believes that his brother was the really culpable one might not vote to give him death on that basis.*

Of course, some people (me included) would argue that spending the rest of your life in 23-hour/day isolation might actually be a fate worse than death, but that is another issue.

* both crimes also authorize a judge to impose imprisonment for "any term of years," so it is technically possible that he could be sentenced to something less than life. But I would think that there would need to be some pretty extraordinary circumstances for that. Nonetheless, a judge could sentence him to something like 70 years if they thought he deserved a chance at spending a few days as a free man before he dies. And at that point the state would just try him for murder so he would have to serve that sentence after he finishes the federal one, thus making sure he never sees freedom again.
 
2013-04-23 02:48:46 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Pretty much huh? "I've done nothing with my life and all the advantages given to me and this causes me to feel unfulfilled...IT MUST BE AMERICA'S FAULT!!!11!!ONE!"


Also, upon further thought, he probably didn't want to go back to Chechnya to fight for his country because it gets awful Putiny over there whenever anyone steps out of line.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect someone as self-obsessed as he is to actually really put himself out there for his Chechen brethren. Plus, Putin is pretty much a real life Russian Superhero, right? Isn't that what the memes tell me? Him and Chuck Norris?

 
2013-04-23 02:49:41 PM

Cork on Fork: make me some tea: Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

It could make the difference between life in prison or the death penalty though. Reports make it seem like he has been cooperative with investigators so far. So, that might convince the government not to seek the death penalty at all. Or, a jury who finds him guilty but truly believes that his brother was the really culpable one might not vote to give him death on that basis.*

Of course, some people (me included) would argue that spending the rest of your life in 23-hour/day isolation might actually be a fate worse than death, but that is another issue.

* both crimes also authorize a judge to impose imprisonment for "any term of years," so it is technically possible that he could be sentenced to something less than life. But I would think that there would need to be some pretty extraordinary circumstances for that. Nonetheless, a judge could sentence him to something like 70 years if they thought he deserved a chance at spending a few days as a free man before he dies. And at that point the state would just try him for murder so he would have to serve that sentence after he finishes the federal one, thus making sure he never sees freedom again.


See the link I posted at 2013-04-23 02:41:06 PM

More info there.
 
2013-04-23 02:50:35 PM

shortymac: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: hobnail: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma:
[SNIP]


I know the people experience religious reawakenings when they have kids. My dad got very invested in religious teachings when my mom was pregnant, they formally joined a church and scheduled a baptism prior to my birth. My dad expressed significant remorse when the baptism of my brother was delayed due to a death in the family, he expected us to b ...

Tamerlan was an abusive douchbag, he was arrest for assaulting his girlfriend in 2009.

I'm not 100% sure if the abused GF is now his wife, it's not surprising he had a kid so soon after.

Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.

Asshats like this need someone to control and abuse 24/7 to make themselves feel good about themselves.

I guess pushing around women didn't do it for him anymore, so he decided to blow people up.


I believe that the beat up girlfriend is now his wife. Good olde knock'em up make up action, FTW?

/Ripping out Urinary Tract Infections sounds awful.
//I think you mean IUDs?
 
2013-04-23 02:50:42 PM

dallylamma: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Pretty much huh? "I've done nothing with my life and all the advantages given to me and this causes me to feel unfulfilled...IT MUST BE AMERICA'S FAULT!!!11!!ONE!"


Also, upon further thought, he probably didn't want to go back to Chechnya to fight for his country because it gets awful Putiny over there whenever anyone steps out of line.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect someone as self-obsessed as he is to actually really put himself out there for his Chechen brethren. Plus, Putin is pretty much a real life Russian Superhero, right? Isn't that what the memes tell me? Him and Chuck Norris?


Well that didn't work...imagin a hilarious meme of Putin swimming out to fight a bear that just insulted him.
 
2013-04-23 02:53:39 PM
As soon as the shiat went down, I started describing thier actions as amateur hour. Seems I was right.
 
2013-04-23 02:54:07 PM
If disappearing after the bombings would be too suspicious.  It's easy.  Have your Florida road trip already announced beforehand.  So people are expecting you to be out of town.  Doesn't mean you actually go to Florida.  They're just not surprised when you're missing.
 
2013-04-23 02:56:59 PM

indarwinsshadow: I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.


Friday night, I'd had a few drinks, and just started thinking out loud about what I would have done differently if I was one of these guys.

It wasn't even major stuff, it was little things like "grow a beard before the attacks, then shave". There were some really simple things you could have done with the bombs to make them more effective that I'm not going to mention here.

After beating my gums for a couple of minutes, I realized just how sociopathic I sounded. Since I have no desire to be a terrorist, I decided to shut up. But, really, a little planning goes a long way. A lot of planning leads you to the "maybe I shouldn't blow people up" conclusion, which is even better.
 
2013-04-23 02:57:34 PM

BizarreMan: If disappearing after the bombings would be too suspicious.  It's easy.  Have your Florida road trip already announced beforehand.  So people are expecting you to be out of town.  Doesn't mean you actually go to Florida.  They're just not surprised when you're missing.


Yeah, but that takes intelligence and a lot of fore planning.  These guys seemed to have done none of that, perhaps thinking they would just blend into the masses and thus woudl never be identified.

Most terrorists seem to be, well, rather stupid.
 
2013-04-23 03:00:20 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

[i236.photobucket.com image 309x237]


Keep in mind this was no ordinary BB gun.  FBI ballistics experts have analyzed the weapon and found it to be an official Red Ryder carbine action, two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time.

/where's flick?
 
2013-04-23 03:00:42 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!


Interesting...
 
2013-04-23 03:01:41 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?


When we decided that terrorists have to be some type of criminal mastermind.
 
2013-04-23 03:01:58 PM

FatherChaos: 24.media.tumblr.com


Huh....I never noticed that the Jump to Conclusions mat was rotsky'd.
 
2013-04-23 03:03:36 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


That's been my theory too.

I think they were honestly dumb enough to believe that no one could possibly link them to the bombing.  They were just two guys passing through a huge, open crowd.  Once they got safely away from the scene of the crime, they thought they were in the clear, and so they just went on with their lives for the next few days.

Then when the FBI released their photos, they must have had an epic "oh shiat" moment (which I would love to have seen), and then threw together on the fly an extremely poorly conceived and executed escape plan.
 
2013-04-23 03:08:34 PM
None of this is bizarre when you consider they A) Never thought they'd be identified and B) Were stupid.
 
2013-04-23 03:10:00 PM

make me some tea: See the link I posted at 2013-04-23 02:41:06 PM

More info there.


I know, that's why I said it seemed like he was being cooperative. Unfortunately for him it sounds like he doesn't have anyone more important to offer up to try and save his own life, but I wouldn't be surprised if many years from now we found out that some website or video he referred to ended up helping authorities shut down that Canada plot (even if he had no clue about it, if the Canada guys visited the same website it could have raised a flag somewhere).

I'm certainly not saying he isn't an absolutely vile individual who deserves whatever he gets (assuming he did what is alleged, and it sure seems like he did), I'm just saying that the government or a jury might conclude that being so open after his arrest weighs against the death penalty (thus reserving the most severe punishment for people who do horrible things and don't cooperate).

It is an unfortunate reality that criminals often have information that the police don't, and those criminals will only give up that information if they can benefit by doing so.

Either way, because of the state crimes that can still be charged, I think the real question is how/when he dies in prison, not if.
 
2013-04-23 03:12:31 PM

TheOriginalEd: As soon as the shiat went down, I started describing thier actions as amateur hour. Seems I was right.


It's always amateur hour for the people that actually do these things. The truly smart ones stay in the background and let other people be disposable.
 
2013-04-23 03:14:18 PM
Has it been explained how these bombs worked?  I saw in one photo that batteries were involved, but I still don't get how they worked.  Were the pressure cookers turned on?  Why use pressure cookers if they weren't turned on (and I assume pressurized)? How were they detonated?  If they were detonated from a cell phone, why not detonate them from a long ways away where you won't be in so many photos?  How did they not accidentally go off while being carried if they were filled with explosives?
 
2013-04-23 03:16:09 PM
 
2013-04-23 03:17:36 PM
If I ever commit some spectacular crime, I'm going to bring a water pistol and stop off for a round of mini-golf when I'm done, just to give the conspiracy nuts something to obsess about.  :D
 
2013-04-23 03:21:24 PM

Cork on Fork: TheOriginalEd: As soon as the shiat went down, I started describing thier actions as amateur hour. Seems I was right.

It's always amateur hour for the people that actually do these things. The truly smart ones stay in the background and let other people be disposable.


The truly smart ones realize that there is no way that you are going to get away with it, even if you are in the background, and don't do it in the first place.
 
2013-04-23 03:23:46 PM

wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?


cdn.head-fi.org
/you're thinking of crock pots
 
2013-04-23 03:23:48 PM

Doc Daneeka: wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/erin-mattin gl y-pressure-cooker-bombs.cnn


That video answered exactly none of my questions.
 
2013-04-23 03:25:39 PM

wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?  I saw in one photo that batteries were involved, but I still don't get how they worked.  Were the pressure cookers turned on?  Why use pressure cookers if they weren't turned on (and I assume pressurized)? How were they detonated?  If they were detonated from a cell phone, why not detonate them from a long ways away where you won't be in so many photos?  How did they not accidentally go off while being carried if they were filled with explosives?


Do you actually want to talk about bomb construction on a public internet forum on April 23, 2013?

I could answer your question, but you should just Google it instead. That way, it'll cut the number of trips the FBI has to make in half, and that's an important cost savings in this economy.
 
2013-04-23 03:28:54 PM

Gonz: Do you actually want to talk about bo-b construction on a public internet forum on April 23, 2013?

I could answer your question, but you should just Google it instead. That way, it'll cut the number of trips the FBI has to make in half, and that's an important cost savings in this economy.


Ahyup.
 
2013-04-23 03:29:01 PM
Yet again leave it to the 'press' to get the fact wrong, the article claims they had an M4 Carbine...

An M4 Carbine, a 7-12k dollar federally tracked and tax stamped fully automatic weapon???!!! Bullshiate, if anything they had an AR-15, a semi-auto rifle....

blog.robballen.com
 
2013-04-23 03:29:09 PM

tommyl66: Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?

Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?


Actually, it is not a very good answer... both left the US, the mother arrested a couple of years ago for shoplifting, and it looks like the father lives in a crappy flea-ridden flat. They did not have money.

I think Clemkadidlefark's point is a good one. For some idiotic reason, other farkers in this thread think he's clinging on to a false flag conspiracy theory, I didn't get that at all, especially after his earlier post. I agree, this was a financed operation, Tamerlan met with somebody when he returned to Asia (via his trip to Russia) to finalize his plans and whatever else needed to be done.

The money question is always valid. I would like to think the FBI is investigating that angle thoroughly. This may yet trace back to al qaida.Chechen islamists are known to farm themselves out for "the cause" and take pride in not being squeamish with getting their hands bloody.

Let's not forget the Brendan Moss murder angle... I'd guess that was a test, both on the brothers' part to see that they could kill, up close and personal, without any qualms - as well as a demonstration that they would act on orders given by some organization.

As for the whole "muslims do not punch people in the face" - why can't that statement be an outright lie, said just to get out of boxing 'gracefully'?

Likewise, the pattern of behavior after the bombing simply indicates that they thought they'd get away with it. They were never given an exit plan because whoever they might have been answering to wanted them to die int he attack or see what sort of response they'd provoke from the police. There is valuable intelligence to be had when you know HOW somebody gets caught by your enemy - we all understand the intelligence assets available now to any agency that has to investigate a terror attack in a large US city now.
 
2013-04-23 03:29:44 PM

wearetheworld: Doc Daneeka: wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/erin-mattin gl y-pressure-cooker-bombs.cnn

That video answered exactly none of my questions.


Y'know, I hear the Tsarnev's learned their shiat from the internet and there's this fancy-ass thing called Google.  You could Bing! it, I suppose, but jesus, have some taste.
 
2013-04-23 03:30:44 PM

ongbok: The truly smart ones realize that there is no way that you are going to get away with it, even if you are in the background, and don't do it in the first place.


I sort of disagree. The ones who are really committed are willing to take that risk, they just aren't willing to put themselves out in the open to do it. That's what makes them so dangerous. They don't really care if people knew they were responsible; they only care that they don't get found so they can keep doing more.
 
2013-04-23 03:34:45 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?



That was a interesting read. I've heard some others bring it up, but nothing answers the question though.
 
2013-04-23 03:36:46 PM

LesserEvil: tommyl66: Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?

Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?

Actually, it is not a very good answer... both left the US, the mother arrested a couple of years ago for shoplifting, and it looks like the father lives in a crappy flea-ridden flat. They did not have money.

I think Clemkadidlefark's point is a good one. For some idiotic reason, other farkers in this thread think he's clinging on to a false flag conspiracy theory, I didn't get that at all, especially after his earlier post. I agree, this was a financed operation, Tamerlan met with somebody when he returned to Asia (via his trip to Russia) to finalize his plans and whatever else needed to be done.

The money question is always valid. I would like to think the FBI is investigating that angle thoroughly. This may yet trace back to al qaida.Chechen islamists are known to farm themselves out for "the cause" and take pride in not being squeamish with getting their hands bloody.

Let's not forget the Brendan Moss murder angle... I'd guess that was a test, both on the brothers' part to see that they could kill, up close and personal, without any qualms - as well as a demonstration that they would act on orders given by some organization.

As for the whole "muslims do not punch people in the face" - why can't that statement be an outright lie, said just to get out of boxing 'gracefully'?

Likewise, the pattern of behavior after the bombing simply indicates that they thought they'd get away with it. They were never given an exit plan because whoever they might have been answering to wanted them to die int he attack or see what sort of response they'd provoke from the police. There is valuable intelligence to be had when you know HOW somebody gets caught by your enemy - we all understand the intelligence assets available now to any agency that has to investigate a terror attack in a large US city now.


Yeah, you could be right. My theory on the murder thing was "he did it and left the country so as not to get caught, and when they noticed that nobody was looking for him in connection with it he came back since the coast was clear". I have no idea if the timeline supports this theory, but Detective Tutuola and Captain Kragen think I am onto something.
 
2013-04-23 03:37:48 PM

skozlaw: RoyHobbs22: Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?

Because that's cruel and tragic rather than stupid or bizarre.


Like the hijinks of this fella?

content.internetvideoarchive.com
 
2013-04-23 03:43:55 PM

shortymac: /No one deserves an abusive partner, GTFO//He wanted to be an engineer, for some reason engineers are easily radicalized.///Source:  http://orientemiedo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/diego-gambetta-steffe n -hertog-why-are-there-so-many-engineers-among-islamic-radicals.pdf


This is not a mystery to anyone that knows engineers. You'll never meet a group of nutbars more willing to believe in the unbelievable and the unprovable until you meet some engineers. Remember that every time you drive over a bridge.
 
2013-04-23 03:49:17 PM
LOL. Al quaeda, right wing conservatism and religiousity confirmed.

"The results are startling (Table VII). The proportion of engineers
who declare themselves to be on the right of the political
spectrum is greater than in any other disciplinary group: 57.6 % of
them are either conservative or strongly conservative, as compared to
51.1 % of economists, 42.5 % of doctors and 33.5 % of scientists, 21.4 %
of those in the humanities, and 18.6 % of the social scientists, the least
right-wing of all disciplinary groups. Only 1.4 % of engineers are on the
left, as opposed to 12.9 % in the social sciences and 16.7 % in law.
Perhaps this is an uncanny coincidence, but the four fields at the top of
the conservatism scale - engineering, economics, medicine, and science -
are the same four secular fields we found at the top of our main jihadist
sample....
The Carnegie survey reveals an even more surprising fact, hitherto
unnoticed, that strengthens the suspicion that the engineers' mindset
may play a part in their proneness not only to radicalise to the right of the
political spectrum, but do so with a religious slant: engineers turn out to
be by far the most religious group of all academics - 66.5 %, followed
again by 61.7 % in economics, 49.9 % in sciences, 48.8 % of social
scientists, 46.3 % of doctors and 44.1 % of lawyers. Engineers and
economists are also those who oppose religion least (3.7 % and 3.0 %,"

EPIC LULZ
 
2013-04-23 03:59:46 PM

Fish in a Barrel: If I ever commit some spectacular crime, I'm going to bring a water pistol and stop off for a round of mini-golf when I'm done, just to give the conspiracy nuts something to obsess about.  :D


Or if your by a place that has skee ball play a bunch and give your prize tickets to kids
 
2013-04-23 04:00:33 PM

Maud Dib: CygnusDarius: Welp, an acquaintance from fb has been passing around this link (may containt tinfoil), which makes wanna facepalm.

Thx for the heads up on the dead body pics, farkface.


Ok, I apologize for that.
 
2013-04-23 04:02:53 PM
Stop for snacks.TheLos Angeles Times that the hostage escaped after the brothers stopped at a gas station on Memorial Drive to buy snacks.

An interview with the hostage said that one was getting snacks while the other was pumping gas. So it's not like they got the munchies and stopped for food. Gas was required for them to go anywhere in that vehicle.
 
2013-04-23 04:03:15 PM

Doc Daneeka: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

That's been my theory too.

I think they were honestly dumb enough to believe that no one could possibly link them to the bombing.  They were just two guys passing through a huge, open crowd.  Once they got safely away from the scene of the crime, they thought they were in the clear, and so they just went on with their lives for the next few days.

Then when the FBI released their photos, they must have had an epic "oh shiat" moment (which I would love to have seen), and then threw together on the fly an extremely poorly conceived and executed escape plan.


Ditto.
 
2013-04-23 04:08:28 PM

Gilligann: Stop for snacks.TheLos Angeles Times that the hostage escaped after the brothers stopped at a gas station on Memorial Drive to buy snacks.

An interview with the hostage said that one was getting snacks while the other was pumping gas. So it's not like they got the munchies and stopped for food. Gas was required for them to go anywhere in that vehicle.


You try taking a road trip without Combos.  Can't be done.
 
2013-04-23 04:10:17 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.


That's the military definition

The legal definition is pretty much fancy words to say bomb
 
2013-04-23 04:11:01 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


This
 
2013-04-23 04:16:32 PM

Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?


According to reports they needed another pistol, and the cop had one.
 
2013-04-23 04:20:02 PM
Question was: I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.

Answer: I understand it was as simple as buying matches LOTS and LOTS of matches. Then scrape the heads off of them in to a powder form. This is charge. Then you take sugar and (without too much detail) situate these two things. You have a chosen source of ignition which lights the powder which causes the sugar to smolder/ burn which builds tremendous amounts of pressure in a confined space.

/i got this from the radio Saturday and could not believe it is so simple.
//ratios were not discussed, which is a good thing.
 
2013-04-23 04:20:08 PM

rkiller1: Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?

According to reports they needed another pistol, and the cop had one.


So.... the draconian state gun control laws forced the brothers to kill a police officer to get a weapon?

/Not really trying to fark that chicken, just saying....
//Not a member of the NRA
 
2013-04-23 04:22:55 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Time to bring him in.  He'll let us know how it's all tied together
/not conspiracies... Conspiracy - SINGULAR
//Yes I just finished JL and JLU on Netflix.
 
2013-04-23 04:23:57 PM

WTFDYW: Question was: I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.

Answer: I understand it was as simple as buying matches LOTS and LOTS of matches. Then scrape the heads off of them in to a powder form. This is charge. Then you take sugar and (without too much detail) situate these two things. You have a chosen source of ignition which lights the powder which causes the sugar to smolder/ burn which builds tremendous amounts of pressure in a confined space.

/i got this from the radio Saturday and could not believe it is so simple.
//ratios were not discussed, which is a good thing.


If that's truly charge they used, then that's a bit of a relief.  I've heard rumors that they used smokeless powder, and that would suck for us reloaders.

/pretty sure smokeless would make a lousy bomb
 
2013-04-23 04:27:48 PM

wearetheworld: Doc Daneeka: wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/erin-mattin gl y-pressure-cooker-bombs.cnn

That video answered exactly none of my questions.


They used pressure cookers because the design of the pot contains the pressure a little when it goes off, increasing the explosive effect. Some pressure cookers now come with battery operated timers attached to them; you can rewire the timers to set off explosives within the sealed pot.
 
2013-04-23 04:31:07 PM
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shortymac: Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.


Please tell me you mean IUDs.
 
2013-04-23 04:40:51 PM

Clemkadidlefark: So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.


"Send the rookies out" is pretty much common practice for Jihadists everywhere.  Bomb placement, even for non-suicide types, is reserved for the low level types.  Over in the desert, being a bomb *maker* is a skilled position that merits additional protection.

Clemkadidlefark: Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


The vast majority of your questions can be summed up from three-four sources:  Full ride scholarship at UMAS for Dzhokhar has already been reported, and for the rest:  welfare, and family.  Their parents were not especially poor.  My parents have been supporting my unemployed brother's family for years.  House payment, insurance, car, car insurance, even food.  All paid for by Mom&Dad.  One thing to remember is that 'Family in Russia' doesn't mean that the family still in Russia are poor.

THX 1138: Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


That's the thing.  When I was growing up, WMDs were devices worthy of governments being concerned about other governments possessing them, practically on an individual device basis.  A 2k pound bomb was considered more or less unworthy of notice unless the enemy has thousands of them.  It was pretty much reserved for the 'big three' - chemical, biological, or nuclear.  Things that could take out multiple city blocks of people.

As such, calling devices such as the boston bombers detonated 'WMDs' seems to be a scare tactic to me.  I'm fine with calling it various things - destructive device, Improvised Explosive Device, bomb, etc...  But I think we need to save the WMD label for when it's appropriate - IE somebody actually attempts(or succeeds) to let loose with a CBRN device (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).
 
2013-04-23 04:42:12 PM
A 26 year old didn't know how ATM limits work? What a dumbass.

They're both dumbasses.
 
2013-04-23 04:48:22 PM

dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...


Because, from what I've read, as proud as a Chechen as he was, the Chechens just thought of him as an American wannabe and pretty much rejected him.

Which makes me think this bombing was less about defending Islam and more about making a name for himself with everyone who said he was too American. And if this is the case, the way he went about it, "go big or go home" is ironically, extremely American.
 
2013-04-23 04:51:07 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...



He lived with his dad for the 6 months he was in Russia.  (Or his dad is lying and covering up for him).  So it was not as expensive a trip as you make it.

I also think that the Russells were propably covering a lot of the costs for the granddaughter, and possibly their daughter too.

They also tried to empty the carjackee's bank account because they had no money.

Some of your questions may be valid but I get the feeling Tweedledum and Tweedledee did not have an Al-Qaeda Corporate Amex.
 
2013-04-23 04:55:27 PM
The one thing I found weird (or stupid) is unlike a lot of domestic terrorists/mass murders... they did their act where they lived.  Hence, the poster above saying it was actually *smart* for them to carry on twittering, partying, etc. so as to not raise suspision.

The Uni Bomber, McVeigh, I'm sure many others tend to go way outta town to do their stuff.

So they can "get ottta Dodge" and go back home, lessening the chance of being caught.
 
2013-04-23 05:00:04 PM

downstairs: lessening the chance of being caught.


Yeah it also lessens the chance of them meeting someone they know...

"Djokar!  Tamerlan!  What up?
- Not now dude... we got no time for this!
- What's the rush?
- Srlsy... We gotta leave.
- Hey.. Wait! You left your bag !!!"
 
2013-04-23 05:22:44 PM

WTFDYW: Question was: I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.

Answer: I understand it was as simple as buying matches LOTS and LOTS of matches. Then scrape the heads off of them in to a powder form. This is charge. Then you take sugar and (without too much detail) situate these two things. You have a chosen source of ignition which lights the powder which causes the sugar to smolder/ burn which builds tremendous amounts of pressure in a confined space.

/i got this from the radio Saturday and could not believe it is so simple.
//ratios were not discussed, which is a good thing.


Makes sense, my Dad used to make homemade rockets and blow up old water heaters as a kid using a similar method. He added a few cotton balls soaked in rubbing alcohol to the mix.
 
2013-04-23 05:25:19 PM

Agarista: .

shortymac: Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.

Please tell me you mean IUDs.


fark yes, still cringy.
 
2013-04-23 06:18:14 PM
Despite all the stupid, they raised a helluva ruckus.

/Which gives me hope for my sex life.
 
2013-04-23 06:28:09 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: A 26 year old didn't know how ATM limits work? What a dumbass.

They're both dumbasses.


He wasn't working and his wife was working as a home health aide 70-80 hours a week. More than likely, he never had that much money to be taken out of the ATM. He's truly awful.

I bet a dollar that his wife worked 70-80 hours a week but still did a good majority of housework, because he was plotting his terroristic actions.
 
2013-04-23 06:28:29 PM

make me some tea: I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done.


Plus you KNOW that people at the party were talking about attack, speculating on who did it and all the rest, just like people everywhere were.

That had to be weird.
 
2013-04-23 06:41:57 PM

Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?


The cop's gun(s) I'd guess...
 
2013-04-23 06:48:15 PM

itazurakko: make me some tea: I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done.

Plus you KNOW that people at the party were talking about attack, speculating on who did it and all the rest, just like people everywhere were.

That had to be weird.


I feel bad for their friends, because their skin must just be crawling after having interactions with them between Monday at 2:50pm and when they got taken care of Thursday/Friday. Can you imagine how bad Tamerlin's momma must feel getting a call between the carjacking and shootout?! Such a loser. And having a hug fest at the party with the younger one?! How awkward! You know the prom date has got to feel like arse too, because terrorist scum felt up the boobies.
 
2013-04-23 06:51:20 PM

Silverstaff: Yogimus: This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.

So let's treat it like a mass shooting.

We need bomb control.  Once we ban bombs, we won't have to worry about things like this.  Oh, wait. . .


Bombs are already as well controlled as they can get without ridiculous methods.

Guns are not.

/I like guns, I think people should be free to own them
//That doesn't mean with no restrictions whatsoever, though...
 
2013-04-23 07:04:34 PM

Clemkadidlefark: So, where'd the money come from?


Student loans and massive credit card debt, like most Americans have?

syberpud: Teenage angst, wanting to seem "legit" to your (perceived) heritage and YouTube propaganda is a dangerous mix


This too...

Firethorn: That's the thing.  When I was growing up, WMDs were devices worthy of governments being concerned about other governments possessing them, practically on an individual device basis.  A 2k pound bomb was considered more or less unworthy of notice unless the enemy has thousands of them.  It was pretty much reserved for the 'big three' - chemical, biological, or nuclear.  Things that could take out multiple city blocks of people.

As such, calling devices such as the boston bombers detonated 'WMDs' seems to be a scare tactic to me.  I'm fine with calling it various things - destructive device, Improvised Explosive Device, bomb, etc...  But I think we need to save the WMD label for when it's appropriate - IE somebody actually attempts(or succeeds) to let loose with a CBRN device (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).


Yes.

mekki: Because, from what I've read, as proud as a Chechen as he was, the Chechens just thought of him as an American wannabe and pretty much rejected him.

Which makes me think this bombing was less about defending Islam and more about making a name for himself with everyone who said he was too American. And if this is the case, the way he went about it, "go big or go home" is ironically, extremely American.


I can imagine him sort of caught between the two, actually - he comes to the US at 15, not enough school left to really be socialized American.  So he doesn't really fit in, and yet 15 is also too young to really have been established elsewhere and come here as a normal expat (not to mention they moved around as kids, plus were in the minority community, etc).  The guy is rootless.

Not fitting in in the US, he has the whole "I don't understand Americans" thing but it's mutual - people in the US view him as a foreigner too, so then he goes to claim his Chechen identity. Of course he never lived in Chechnya (as the uncle pointed out as part of his "their just losers" speech) and so yeah, when he went back to visit Russia and hook up with people back there, they'd all view him as American.  He tries to be the bad-ass Chechen guy, maybe, but hey, people are just lolwut?

Easy enough to go from there to an "oh yeah? I'll show you" quite possibly with getting sucked into extremist websites on the way.

The younger brother, on the other hand, came here at 8, went through formative life in the US, both junior high and high school in regular schools, he fits in and has normal friends.  He gets sucked into his brother's plan (since they were tight), probably less ideological about it all, maybe even just does it for the lulz (which is in some ways more horrifying).  Doesn't change the fact he happily went along with it though, so that's the end of the road for him.
 
2013-04-23 07:41:39 PM

LavenderWolf: /I like guns, I think people should be free to own them
//That doesn't mean with no restrictions whatsoever, though...


I guess the sarcasm wasn't heavy enough here, I know just how restricted destructive devices are by Federal law.  I was noting how those laws sure didn't stop this, implying that just laying down more arbitrary gun control would be about equally as effective in preventing future active shooter incidents..

There are already lots of restrictions on owning guns.  Can't own a fully automatic weapon, or a weapon over .50 caliber, or silenced, without some very serious permits, background checks, and paperwork.  Mandatory background check if purchasing from a dealer.  Can't legally purchase or own a firearm if you've been convicted of a felony or any crime involving domestic violence (or under indictment for such crime). Can't legally purchase or own a firearm if you've been adjudicated as mentally incompetent. Can't purchase a firearm through the mail, or send one through the mail (unless you're a licensed dealer or licensed collector, and for collectors only antique weapons can be mailed).

As for bombs, for somebody who knows what they are doing it can be disturbingly easy to build one, at least strong enough to do what was done in Boston.
 
2013-04-23 07:41:55 PM
ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.

Pish.  Amateur.  I get rid of my clothes *before* I commit the crime.
 
2013-04-23 07:47:19 PM

miss diminutive: The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"


The older brother was being denied citizenship because of domestic violence issue...and he's nuts. Now he's dead. The younger brother is a patsy. Welcome to life in prison, if you are lucky.
 
2013-04-23 07:52:03 PM

Christian Bale: Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


Pretty good chance Tamarlan killed his roommate. He would have been a serial killer.
 
2013-04-23 07:59:50 PM

itazurakko: Clemkadidlefark: So, where'd the money come from?

Student loans and massive credit card debt, like most Americans have?

syberpud: Teenage angst, wanting to seem "legit" to your (perceived) heritage and YouTube propaganda is a dangerous mix

This too...

Firethorn: That's the thing.  When I was growing up, WMDs were devices worthy of governments being concerned about other governments possessing them, practically on an individual device basis.  A 2k pound bomb was considered more or less unworthy of notice unless the enemy has thousands of them.  It was pretty much reserved for the 'big three' - chemical, biological, or nuclear.  Things that could take out multiple city blocks of people.

As such, calling devices such as the boston bombers detonated 'WMDs' seems to be a scare tactic to me.  I'm fine with calling it various things - destructive device, Improvised Explosive Device, bomb, etc...  But I think we need to save the WMD label for when it's appropriate - IE somebody actually attempts(or succeeds) to let loose with a CBRN device (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).

Yes.

mekki: Because, from what I've read, as proud as a Chechen as he was, the Chechens just thought of him as an American wannabe and pretty much rejected him.

Which makes me think this bombing was less about defending Islam and more about making a name for himself with everyone who said he was too American. And if this is the case, the way he went about it, "go big or go home" is ironically, extremely American.

I can imagine him sort of caught between the two, actually - he comes to the US at 15, not enough school left to really be socialized American.  So he doesn't really fit in, and yet 15 is also too young to really have been established elsewhere and come here as a normal expat (not to mention they moved around as kids, plus were in the minority community, etc).  The guy is rootless.

Not fitting in in the US, he has the whole "I don't understand Americans" thing but it's mutual - people in the US view him as a foreigner too, so then he goes to claim his Chechen identity. Of course he never lived in Chechnya (as the uncle pointed out as part of his "their just losers" speech) and so yeah, when he went back to visit Russia and hook up with people back there, they'd all view him as American.  He tries to be the bad-ass Chechen guy, maybe, but hey, people are just lolwut?

Easy enough to go from there to an "oh yeah? I'll show you" quite possibly with getting sucked into extremist websites on the way.

The younger brother, on the other hand, came here at 8, went through formative life in the US, both junior high and high school in regular schools, he fits in and has normal friends.  He gets sucked into his brother's plan (since they were tight), probably less ideological about it all, maybe even just does it for the lulz (which is in some ways more horrifying).  Doesn't change the fact he happily went along with it though, so that's the end of the road for him.


That's pretty much what I was thinking. Well stated.
 
2013-04-23 08:08:12 PM

biggestdog420: ShawnDoc: biggestdog420: It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed. just say'in

What more do you expect to hear?  Crazy mom says FBI were talking to him, the FBI released a statement saying no they hadn't.  Press reported both her side and the FBI's response.  What more is their to discuss?

i suppose its too much to ask for skype records?  dates?  they talked to him once?  twice?  Maybe invite the mother here to be interviewed and asked what she thinks constitutes regular contact?  Did they interview him in person?  did they ever talk to him on skype or the phone?  It just seems really easy for them to just say, "yeah we talked to him once, but so what?  we talk to a lot of people".


You've already shown that you don't believe them. I'm sure you would have no doubts about the accuracy of the hypothetical dates and other details you want them to produce for you.

You realize it isn't that easy to prove a negative right? So do you now want all skype records so you can rule out other conversations? What proof would you accept if you start from the premise they are  lying and manufacturing evidence?
 
2013-04-23 08:12:45 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


It'll break the skin!!!

sidesalad.net
 
2013-04-23 08:18:28 PM

syberpud: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

Hoping people would mistake it for a real gun?


Depends on the model, but I have one of these at home (Gamo PT-85 Blowback):

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It weighs about two pounds, has almost all metal construction, and the slide moves while firing.  It makes a pretty good bang as well.

Not that I've ever used it to scare anyone, but unless you were really close to it or you really knew about guns, I imagine it could fool a lot of people.  There's no bright orange paint anywhere and they hollowed out the front of the barrel so it looks like a 9mm (instead of the pinhole you usually get from pellet guns).

As far as actual damage, I'd have to hold it right next to your head and fire repeatedly at your eye to bring you down.  Otherwise it could possibly break the skin if you fire it within ten feet of someone, but that's about it.
 
2013-04-23 08:53:25 PM

Oldiron_79: Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.


Won't he end up in the supermax federal prison in Colorado with the Unibomber, etc. , and effectively be in solitary confinement until he dies of old age or is executed?  And until then, one presumes that he'll be isolated from the rest of any prison population.
 
2013-04-23 08:57:27 PM

HumbertoEcho: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.

Pish.  Amateur.  I get rid of my clothes *before* I commit the crime.


I am sure getting nekkid and furiously fapping prevents lots of crimes. I am glad you are taking care of business with interweb erotica rather than WMDs.
 
2013-04-23 09:24:48 PM
Wear a backwards hat and no sunglasses. He bought snacks at a gas station after they stole a car.  Does this guy know about keeping a low profile?  He definitely was not into keeping a low profile any other time.  Maybe he thought he would be famous but would get off because he was so young.
Not react to the explosions. Thought they would be farther away at the time, didn't account for how long it would take it would walk through the crowd on the way out.
Leave the car in the shop. Didn't think they would need it right away...so why not get it repaired so it wouldn't break down later.
Stay in Boston. Didn't think they would get caught.  Or maybe thought it would take the cops longer to get onto them and they could slip away later when the car was fixed.
Kill an MIT police officer. Maybe they didn't do it?
Run out of cash.   Whoever was in charge of the money didn't come through.  Or maybe they blew it all on supplies.  Maybe the car cost a lot more than they thought to repair.  If they had to put the bombs together right before they used them so they didn't accidentally go off maybe they spent a ton more making them than they thought it was going to cost.
Not understand how ATMs work. I don't think most people realize that ATMs are connected by computer networks and didn't exactly know that they would not be able to get more cash out.
Confess to the hostage. Kids famous so he brags to someone in the heat of the moment.  Maybe didn't think anyone would take him seriously anyway.
Stop for snacks.When the chips are down....gotta have chips. Maybe the older one stopped to make a call, check twitter or the news, and get some gas.   The young and stupid one thought he would go in and buy a snack with some hard won cash.  No point in stealing cash if you aren't going to use it
Keep the hostage's phone. They didn't realize it was there or that it could track them down.  They didn't realize about the ATMs so it is conceivable that they didn't know about GPS too?
Bring a BB gun. Maybe they thought they could pawn the BB for extra cash or hold up some poor idiot who didn't know the difference anyway.  It looked like a gun, so they took it.  These guys made some pipe bombs out of black gun powder, pressure cookers, and nails...they were not weapons experts.
 
2013-04-23 10:01:54 PM

Theaetetus: wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?

[cdn.head-fi.org image 456x297]
/you're thinking of crock pots


If you cooked explosive in a crock-pot, would it taste good?
 
2013-04-23 10:40:27 PM

video man: Theaetetus: wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?

[cdn.head-fi.org image 456x297]
/you're thinking of crock pots

If you cooked explosive in a crock-pot, would it taste good?


 Is the "explosive" beer, sauerkraut, and sausages? Because they produce a lot of explosive gas. And yes.
 
2013-04-24 12:50:38 AM

Theaetetus: video man: Theaetetus: wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?

[cdn.head-fi.org image 456x297]
/you're thinking of crock pots

If you cooked explosive in a crock-pot, would it taste good?

 Is the "explosive" beer, sauerkraut, and sausages? Because they produce a lot of explosive gas. And yes.


Weapons of arse destruction, you say? This reminds me that I still must plan German night for Game of Thrones dinner. Its not thia Sunday and it won't be on Cinco de Mayo, so the 12th it is...
 
2013-04-24 01:54:45 AM

401kman: Wear a backwards hat and no sunglasses. He bought snacks at a gas station after they stole a car.  Does this guy know about keeping a low profile?  He definitely was not into keeping a low profile any other time.  Maybe he thought he would be famous but would get off because he was so young.
Not react to the explosions. Thought they would be farther away at the time, didn't account for how long it would take it would walk through the crowd on the way out.
Leave the car in the shop. Didn't think they would need it right away...so why not get it repaired so it wouldn't break down later.
Stay in Boston. Didn't think they would get caught.  Or maybe thought it would take the cops longer to get onto them and they could slip away later when the car was fixed.
Kill an MIT police officer. Maybe they didn't do it?
Run out of cash.   Whoever was in charge of the money didn't come through.  Or maybe they blew it all on supplies.  Maybe the car cost a lot more than they thought to repair.  If they had to put the bombs together right before they used them so they didn't accidentally go off maybe they spent a ton more making them than they thought it was going to cost.
Not understand how ATMs work. I don't think most people realize that ATMs are connected by computer networks and didn't exactly know that they would not be able to get more cash out.
Confess to the hostage. Kids famous so he brags to someone in the heat of the moment.  Maybe didn't think anyone would take him seriously anyway.
Stop for snacks.When the chips are down....gotta have chips. Maybe the older one stopped to make a call, check twitter or the news, and get some gas.   The young and stupid one thought he would go in and buy a snack with some hard won cash.  No point in stealing cash if you aren't going to use it
Keep the hostage's phone. They didn't realize it was there or that it could track them down.  They didn't realize about the ATMs so it is conceivable that they didn't know about GPS too?
Bring a BB g ...


You seem to have mastered the art of baseless and unlikely speculation.

Seems like the article writer should have just asked for your opinion since you have all the answers.

/did you hear that sound?
//it was my eyes rolling.
 
2013-04-24 07:39:20 AM

Silverstaff: LavenderWolf: /I like guns, I think people should be free to own them
//That doesn't mean with no restrictions whatsoever, though...

I guess the sarcasm wasn't heavy enough here, I know just how restricted destructive devices are by Federal law.  I was noting how those laws sure didn't stop this, implying that just laying down more arbitrary gun control would be about equally as effective in preventing future active shooter incidents.


That would be fantastic. Bombings are extremely rare in the US (which is why this was such a major news story), while shootings are extremely common, with many happening every single day.

If gun control were even remotely as effective as controls on explosives and bomb-making materials, that would be a very good day indeed.
 
2013-04-24 12:17:17 PM
Doc Daneeka: If gun control were even remotely as effective as controls on explosives and bomb-making materials, that would be a very good day indeed.

I could make a bomb equal to what the brothers used with less than $100 of supplies from the local grocery store.

Americans are lazy, we'd rather use a $1000 rifle and go out in a 'blaze of glory' than spend a few days brewing explosives and constructing an explosive device that takes 1k+ officers to find us.  If the two had been slightly smarter - altered their facial features by dressing up as a zombie or something, altering facial features even slightly, they would have been much more likely to get away with it.
 
2013-04-24 04:39:58 PM

The first thing I looked at: 401kman: Wear a backwards hat and no sunglasses. He bought snacks at a gas station after they stole a car.  Does this guy know about keeping a low profile?  He definitely was not into keeping a low profile any other time.  Maybe he thought he would be famous but would get off because he was so young.
Not react to the explosions. Thought they would be farther away at the time, didn't account for how long it would take it would walk through the crowd on the way out.
Leave the car in the shop. Didn't think they would need it right away...so why not get it repaired so it wouldn't break down later.
Stay in Boston. Didn't think they would get caught.  Or maybe thought it would take the cops longer to get onto them and they could slip away later when the car was fixed.
Kill an MIT police officer. Maybe they didn't do it?
Run out of cash.   Whoever was in charge of the money didn't come through.  Or maybe they blew it all on supplies.  Maybe the car cost a lot more than they thought to repair.  If they had to put the bombs together right before they used them so they didn't accidentally go off maybe they spent a ton more making them than they thought it was going to cost.
Not understand how ATMs work. I don't think most people realize that ATMs are connected by computer networks and didn't exactly know that they would not be able to get more cash out.
Confess to the hostage. Kids famous so he brags to someone in the heat of the moment.  Maybe didn't think anyone would take him seriously anyway.
Stop for snacks.When the chips are down....gotta have chips. Maybe the older one stopped to make a call, check twitter or the news, and get some gas.   The young and stupid one thought he would go in and buy a snack with some hard won cash.  No point in stealing cash if you aren't going to use it
Keep the hostage's phone. They didn't realize it was there or that it could track them down.  They didn't realize about the ATMs so it is conceivable that they didn't know about GPS too?
Bri ...


The first thing I looked at: Not understand how ATMs work. I don't think most people realize that ATMs are connected by computer networks and didn't exactly know that they would not be able to get more cash out.
Confess to the hostage. Kids famous so he brags to someone in the heat of the moment.  Maybe didn't think anyone would take him seriously anyway.
Stop for snacks.When the chips are down....gotta have chips. Maybe the older one stopped to make a call, check twitter or the news, and get some gas.   The young and stupid one thought he would go in and buy a snack with some hard won cash.  No point in stealing cash if you aren't going to use it
Keep the hostage's phone. They didn't realize it was there or that it could track them down.  They didn't realize about the ATMs so it is conceivable that they didn't know about GPS too?
Bring a BB g ...

You seem to have mastered the art of baseless and unlikely speculation.

Seems like the article writer should have just asked for your opinion since you have all the answers.

/did you hear that sound?
//it was my eyes rolling.


Why thank you! I got my degree at NYU in baseless speculation, with a minor in bass.

Yeah so, its more speculation.  I just thought I would don a hat made out of a New York Post newspaper and take a whirl at how much bullshiat I could conjure up on each of those "weird" points.
Isn't that what all these threads on these events are anyway?  Puns, double entendres, and speculation.

No I didn't hear that sound because I am busy listening to New York City rush hour, sirens wailing, people honking and yelling at each other.

Signed Larry Holmes
 
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