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2013-04-23 04:55:27 PM  
The one thing I found weird (or stupid) is unlike a lot of domestic terrorists/mass murders... they did their act where they lived.  Hence, the poster above saying it was actually *smart* for them to carry on twittering, partying, etc. so as to not raise suspision.

The Uni Bomber, McVeigh, I'm sure many others tend to go way outta town to do their stuff.

So they can "get ottta Dodge" and go back home, lessening the chance of being caught.
 
2013-04-23 05:00:04 PM  

downstairs: lessening the chance of being caught.


Yeah it also lessens the chance of them meeting someone they know...

"Djokar!  Tamerlan!  What up?
- Not now dude... we got no time for this!
- What's the rush?
- Srlsy... We gotta leave.
- Hey.. Wait! You left your bag !!!"
 
2013-04-23 05:22:44 PM  

WTFDYW: Question was: I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.

Answer: I understand it was as simple as buying matches LOTS and LOTS of matches. Then scrape the heads off of them in to a powder form. This is charge. Then you take sugar and (without too much detail) situate these two things. You have a chosen source of ignition which lights the powder which causes the sugar to smolder/ burn which builds tremendous amounts of pressure in a confined space.

/i got this from the radio Saturday and could not believe it is so simple.
//ratios were not discussed, which is a good thing.


Makes sense, my Dad used to make homemade rockets and blow up old water heaters as a kid using a similar method. He added a few cotton balls soaked in rubbing alcohol to the mix.
 
2013-04-23 05:25:19 PM  

Agarista: .

shortymac: Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.

Please tell me you mean IUDs.


fark yes, still cringy.
 
2013-04-23 06:18:14 PM  
Despite all the stupid, they raised a helluva ruckus.

/Which gives me hope for my sex life.
 
2013-04-23 06:28:09 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: A 26 year old didn't know how ATM limits work? What a dumbass.

They're both dumbasses.


He wasn't working and his wife was working as a home health aide 70-80 hours a week. More than likely, he never had that much money to be taken out of the ATM. He's truly awful.

I bet a dollar that his wife worked 70-80 hours a week but still did a good majority of housework, because he was plotting his terroristic actions.
 
2013-04-23 06:28:29 PM  

make me some tea: I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done.


Plus you KNOW that people at the party were talking about attack, speculating on who did it and all the rest, just like people everywhere were.

That had to be weird.
 
2013-04-23 06:41:57 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?


The cop's gun(s) I'd guess...
 
2013-04-23 06:48:15 PM  

itazurakko: make me some tea: I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done.

Plus you KNOW that people at the party were talking about attack, speculating on who did it and all the rest, just like people everywhere were.

That had to be weird.


I feel bad for their friends, because their skin must just be crawling after having interactions with them between Monday at 2:50pm and when they got taken care of Thursday/Friday. Can you imagine how bad Tamerlin's momma must feel getting a call between the carjacking and shootout?! Such a loser. And having a hug fest at the party with the younger one?! How awkward! You know the prom date has got to feel like arse too, because terrorist scum felt up the boobies.
 
2013-04-23 06:51:20 PM  

Silverstaff: Yogimus: This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.

So let's treat it like a mass shooting.

We need bomb control.  Once we ban bombs, we won't have to worry about things like this.  Oh, wait. . .


Bombs are already as well controlled as they can get without ridiculous methods.

Guns are not.

/I like guns, I think people should be free to own them
//That doesn't mean with no restrictions whatsoever, though...
 
2013-04-23 07:04:34 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: So, where'd the money come from?


Student loans and massive credit card debt, like most Americans have?

syberpud: Teenage angst, wanting to seem "legit" to your (perceived) heritage and YouTube propaganda is a dangerous mix


This too...

Firethorn: That's the thing.  When I was growing up, WMDs were devices worthy of governments being concerned about other governments possessing them, practically on an individual device basis.  A 2k pound bomb was considered more or less unworthy of notice unless the enemy has thousands of them.  It was pretty much reserved for the 'big three' - chemical, biological, or nuclear.  Things that could take out multiple city blocks of people.

As such, calling devices such as the boston bombers detonated 'WMDs' seems to be a scare tactic to me.  I'm fine with calling it various things - destructive device, Improvised Explosive Device, bomb, etc...  But I think we need to save the WMD label for when it's appropriate - IE somebody actually attempts(or succeeds) to let loose with a CBRN device (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).


Yes.

mekki: Because, from what I've read, as proud as a Chechen as he was, the Chechens just thought of him as an American wannabe and pretty much rejected him.

Which makes me think this bombing was less about defending Islam and more about making a name for himself with everyone who said he was too American. And if this is the case, the way he went about it, "go big or go home" is ironically, extremely American.


I can imagine him sort of caught between the two, actually - he comes to the US at 15, not enough school left to really be socialized American.  So he doesn't really fit in, and yet 15 is also too young to really have been established elsewhere and come here as a normal expat (not to mention they moved around as kids, plus were in the minority community, etc).  The guy is rootless.

Not fitting in in the US, he has the whole "I don't understand Americans" thing but it's mutual - people in the US view him as a foreigner too, so then he goes to claim his Chechen identity. Of course he never lived in Chechnya (as the uncle pointed out as part of his "their just losers" speech) and so yeah, when he went back to visit Russia and hook up with people back there, they'd all view him as American.  He tries to be the bad-ass Chechen guy, maybe, but hey, people are just lolwut?

Easy enough to go from there to an "oh yeah? I'll show you" quite possibly with getting sucked into extremist websites on the way.

The younger brother, on the other hand, came here at 8, went through formative life in the US, both junior high and high school in regular schools, he fits in and has normal friends.  He gets sucked into his brother's plan (since they were tight), probably less ideological about it all, maybe even just does it for the lulz (which is in some ways more horrifying).  Doesn't change the fact he happily went along with it though, so that's the end of the road for him.
 
2013-04-23 07:41:39 PM  

LavenderWolf: /I like guns, I think people should be free to own them
//That doesn't mean with no restrictions whatsoever, though...


I guess the sarcasm wasn't heavy enough here, I know just how restricted destructive devices are by Federal law.  I was noting how those laws sure didn't stop this, implying that just laying down more arbitrary gun control would be about equally as effective in preventing future active shooter incidents..

There are already lots of restrictions on owning guns.  Can't own a fully automatic weapon, or a weapon over .50 caliber, or silenced, without some very serious permits, background checks, and paperwork.  Mandatory background check if purchasing from a dealer.  Can't legally purchase or own a firearm if you've been convicted of a felony or any crime involving domestic violence (or under indictment for such crime). Can't legally purchase or own a firearm if you've been adjudicated as mentally incompetent. Can't purchase a firearm through the mail, or send one through the mail (unless you're a licensed dealer or licensed collector, and for collectors only antique weapons can be mailed).

As for bombs, for somebody who knows what they are doing it can be disturbingly easy to build one, at least strong enough to do what was done in Boston.
 
2013-04-23 07:41:55 PM  
ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.

Pish.  Amateur.  I get rid of my clothes *before* I commit the crime.
 
2013-04-23 07:47:19 PM  

miss diminutive: The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"


The older brother was being denied citizenship because of domestic violence issue...and he's nuts. Now he's dead. The younger brother is a patsy. Welcome to life in prison, if you are lucky.
 
2013-04-23 07:52:03 PM  

Christian Bale: Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


Pretty good chance Tamarlan killed his roommate. He would have been a serial killer.
 
2013-04-23 07:59:50 PM  

itazurakko: Clemkadidlefark: So, where'd the money come from?

Student loans and massive credit card debt, like most Americans have?

syberpud: Teenage angst, wanting to seem "legit" to your (perceived) heritage and YouTube propaganda is a dangerous mix

This too...

Firethorn: That's the thing.  When I was growing up, WMDs were devices worthy of governments being concerned about other governments possessing them, practically on an individual device basis.  A 2k pound bomb was considered more or less unworthy of notice unless the enemy has thousands of them.  It was pretty much reserved for the 'big three' - chemical, biological, or nuclear.  Things that could take out multiple city blocks of people.

As such, calling devices such as the boston bombers detonated 'WMDs' seems to be a scare tactic to me.  I'm fine with calling it various things - destructive device, Improvised Explosive Device, bomb, etc...  But I think we need to save the WMD label for when it's appropriate - IE somebody actually attempts(or succeeds) to let loose with a CBRN device (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).

Yes.

mekki: Because, from what I've read, as proud as a Chechen as he was, the Chechens just thought of him as an American wannabe and pretty much rejected him.

Which makes me think this bombing was less about defending Islam and more about making a name for himself with everyone who said he was too American. And if this is the case, the way he went about it, "go big or go home" is ironically, extremely American.

I can imagine him sort of caught between the two, actually - he comes to the US at 15, not enough school left to really be socialized American.  So he doesn't really fit in, and yet 15 is also too young to really have been established elsewhere and come here as a normal expat (not to mention they moved around as kids, plus were in the minority community, etc).  The guy is rootless.

Not fitting in in the US, he has the whole "I don't understand Americans" thing but it's mutual - people in the US view him as a foreigner too, so then he goes to claim his Chechen identity. Of course he never lived in Chechnya (as the uncle pointed out as part of his "their just losers" speech) and so yeah, when he went back to visit Russia and hook up with people back there, they'd all view him as American.  He tries to be the bad-ass Chechen guy, maybe, but hey, people are just lolwut?

Easy enough to go from there to an "oh yeah? I'll show you" quite possibly with getting sucked into extremist websites on the way.

The younger brother, on the other hand, came here at 8, went through formative life in the US, both junior high and high school in regular schools, he fits in and has normal friends.  He gets sucked into his brother's plan (since they were tight), probably less ideological about it all, maybe even just does it for the lulz (which is in some ways more horrifying).  Doesn't change the fact he happily went along with it though, so that's the end of the road for him.


That's pretty much what I was thinking. Well stated.
 
2013-04-23 08:08:12 PM  

biggestdog420: ShawnDoc: biggestdog420: It is also bizarre that the mother claims the FBI was in contact with the older brother on a regular basis, but I am not hearing anything at all about that in the media aside from her initial claims which were simply dismissed. just say'in

What more do you expect to hear?  Crazy mom says FBI were talking to him, the FBI released a statement saying no they hadn't.  Press reported both her side and the FBI's response.  What more is their to discuss?

i suppose its too much to ask for skype records?  dates?  they talked to him once?  twice?  Maybe invite the mother here to be interviewed and asked what she thinks constitutes regular contact?  Did they interview him in person?  did they ever talk to him on skype or the phone?  It just seems really easy for them to just say, "yeah we talked to him once, but so what?  we talk to a lot of people".


You've already shown that you don't believe them. I'm sure you would have no doubts about the accuracy of the hypothetical dates and other details you want them to produce for you.

You realize it isn't that easy to prove a negative right? So do you now want all skype records so you can rule out other conversations? What proof would you accept if you start from the premise they are  lying and manufacturing evidence?
 
2013-04-23 08:12:45 PM  

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


It'll break the skin!!!

sidesalad.net
 
2013-04-23 08:18:28 PM  

syberpud: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

Hoping people would mistake it for a real gun?


Depends on the model, but I have one of these at home (Gamo PT-85 Blowback):

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It weighs about two pounds, has almost all metal construction, and the slide moves while firing.  It makes a pretty good bang as well.

Not that I've ever used it to scare anyone, but unless you were really close to it or you really knew about guns, I imagine it could fool a lot of people.  There's no bright orange paint anywhere and they hollowed out the front of the barrel so it looks like a 9mm (instead of the pinhole you usually get from pellet guns).

As far as actual damage, I'd have to hold it right next to your head and fire repeatedly at your eye to bring you down.  Otherwise it could possibly break the skin if you fire it within ten feet of someone, but that's about it.
 
2013-04-23 08:53:25 PM  

Oldiron_79: Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.


Won't he end up in the supermax federal prison in Colorado with the Unibomber, etc. , and effectively be in solitary confinement until he dies of old age or is executed?  And until then, one presumes that he'll be isolated from the rest of any prison population.
 
2013-04-23 08:57:27 PM  

HumbertoEcho: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic:
I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.

Pish.  Amateur.  I get rid of my clothes *before* I commit the crime.


I am sure getting nekkid and furiously fapping prevents lots of crimes. I am glad you are taking care of business with interweb erotica rather than WMDs.
 
2013-04-23 09:24:48 PM  
Wear a backwards hat and no sunglasses. He bought snacks at a gas station after they stole a car.  Does this guy know about keeping a low profile?  He definitely was not into keeping a low profile any other time.  Maybe he thought he would be famous but would get off because he was so young.
Not react to the explosions. Thought they would be farther away at the time, didn't account for how long it would take it would walk through the crowd on the way out.
Leave the car in the shop. Didn't think they would need it right away...so why not get it repaired so it wouldn't break down later.
Stay in Boston. Didn't think they would get caught.  Or maybe thought it would take the cops longer to get onto them and they could slip away later when the car was fixed.
Kill an MIT police officer. Maybe they didn't do it?
Run out of cash.   Whoever was in charge of the money didn't come through.  Or maybe they blew it all on supplies.  Maybe the car cost a lot more than they thought to repair.  If they had to put the bombs together right before they used them so they didn't accidentally go off maybe they spent a ton more making them than they thought it was going to cost.
Not understand how ATMs work. I don't think most people realize that ATMs are connected by computer networks and didn't exactly know that they would not be able to get more cash out.
Confess to the hostage. Kids famous so he brags to someone in the heat of the moment.  Maybe didn't think anyone would take him seriously anyway.
Stop for snacks.When the chips are down....gotta have chips. Maybe the older one stopped to make a call, check twitter or the news, and get some gas.   The young and stupid one thought he would go in and buy a snack with some hard won cash.  No point in stealing cash if you aren't going to use it
Keep the hostage's phone. They didn't realize it was there or that it could track them down.  They didn't realize about the ATMs so it is conceivable that they didn't know about GPS too?
Bring a BB gun. Maybe they thought they could pawn the BB for extra cash or hold up some poor idiot who didn't know the difference anyway.  It looked like a gun, so they took it.  These guys made some pipe bombs out of black gun powder, pressure cookers, and nails...they were not weapons experts.
 
2013-04-23 10:01:54 PM  

Theaetetus: wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?

[cdn.head-fi.org image 456x297]
/you're thinking of crock pots


If you cooked explosive in a crock-pot, would it taste good?
 
2013-04-23 10:40:27 PM  

video man: Theaetetus: wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?

[cdn.head-fi.org image 456x297]
/you're thinking of crock pots

If you cooked explosive in a crock-pot, would it taste good?


 Is the "explosive" beer, sauerkraut, and sausages? Because they produce a lot of explosive gas. And yes.
 
2013-04-24 12:50:38 AM  

Theaetetus: video man: Theaetetus: wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?

[cdn.head-fi.org image 456x297]
/you're thinking of crock pots

If you cooked explosive in a crock-pot, would it taste good?

 Is the "explosive" beer, sauerkraut, and sausages? Because they produce a lot of explosive gas. And yes.


Weapons of arse destruction, you say? This reminds me that I still must plan German night for Game of Thrones dinner. Its not thia Sunday and it won't be on Cinco de Mayo, so the 12th it is...
 
2013-04-24 01:54:45 AM  

401kman: Wear a backwards hat and no sunglasses. He bought snacks at a gas station after they stole a car.  Does this guy know about keeping a low profile?  He definitely was not into keeping a low profile any other time.  Maybe he thought he would be famous but would get off because he was so young.
Not react to the explosions. Thought they would be farther away at the time, didn't account for how long it would take it would walk through the crowd on the way out.
Leave the car in the shop. Didn't think they would need it right away...so why not get it repaired so it wouldn't break down later.
Stay in Boston. Didn't think they would get caught.  Or maybe thought it would take the cops longer to get onto them and they could slip away later when the car was fixed.
Kill an MIT police officer. Maybe they didn't do it?
Run out of cash.   Whoever was in charge of the money didn't come through.  Or maybe they blew it all on supplies.  Maybe the car cost a lot more than they thought to repair.  If they had to put the bombs together right before they used them so they didn't accidentally go off maybe they spent a ton more making them than they thought it was going to cost.
Not understand how ATMs work. I don't think most people realize that ATMs are connected by computer networks and didn't exactly know that they would not be able to get more cash out.
Confess to the hostage. Kids famous so he brags to someone in the heat of the moment.  Maybe didn't think anyone would take him seriously anyway.
Stop for snacks.When the chips are down....gotta have chips. Maybe the older one stopped to make a call, check twitter or the news, and get some gas.   The young and stupid one thought he would go in and buy a snack with some hard won cash.  No point in stealing cash if you aren't going to use it
Keep the hostage's phone. They didn't realize it was there or that it could track them down.  They didn't realize about the ATMs so it is conceivable that they didn't know about GPS too?
Bring a BB g ...


You seem to have mastered the art of baseless and unlikely speculation.

Seems like the article writer should have just asked for your opinion since you have all the answers.

/did you hear that sound?
//it was my eyes rolling.
 
2013-04-24 07:39:20 AM  

Silverstaff: LavenderWolf: /I like guns, I think people should be free to own them
//That doesn't mean with no restrictions whatsoever, though...

I guess the sarcasm wasn't heavy enough here, I know just how restricted destructive devices are by Federal law.  I was noting how those laws sure didn't stop this, implying that just laying down more arbitrary gun control would be about equally as effective in preventing future active shooter incidents.


That would be fantastic. Bombings are extremely rare in the US (which is why this was such a major news story), while shootings are extremely common, with many happening every single day.

If gun control were even remotely as effective as controls on explosives and bomb-making materials, that would be a very good day indeed.
 
2013-04-24 12:17:17 PM  
Doc Daneeka: If gun control were even remotely as effective as controls on explosives and bomb-making materials, that would be a very good day indeed.

I could make a bomb equal to what the brothers used with less than $100 of supplies from the local grocery store.

Americans are lazy, we'd rather use a $1000 rifle and go out in a 'blaze of glory' than spend a few days brewing explosives and constructing an explosive device that takes 1k+ officers to find us.  If the two had been slightly smarter - altered their facial features by dressing up as a zombie or something, altering facial features even slightly, they would have been much more likely to get away with it.
 
2013-04-24 04:39:58 PM  

The first thing I looked at: 401kman: Wear a backwards hat and no sunglasses. He bought snacks at a gas station after they stole a car.  Does this guy know about keeping a low profile?  He definitely was not into keeping a low profile any other time.  Maybe he thought he would be famous but would get off because he was so young.
Not react to the explosions. Thought they would be farther away at the time, didn't account for how long it would take it would walk through the crowd on the way out.
Leave the car in the shop. Didn't think they would need it right away...so why not get it repaired so it wouldn't break down later.
Stay in Boston. Didn't think they would get caught.  Or maybe thought it would take the cops longer to get onto them and they could slip away later when the car was fixed.
Kill an MIT police officer. Maybe they didn't do it?
Run out of cash.   Whoever was in charge of the money didn't come through.  Or maybe they blew it all on supplies.  Maybe the car cost a lot more than they thought to repair.  If they had to put the bombs together right before they used them so they didn't accidentally go off maybe they spent a ton more making them than they thought it was going to cost.
Not understand how ATMs work. I don't think most people realize that ATMs are connected by computer networks and didn't exactly know that they would not be able to get more cash out.
Confess to the hostage. Kids famous so he brags to someone in the heat of the moment.  Maybe didn't think anyone would take him seriously anyway.
Stop for snacks.When the chips are down....gotta have chips. Maybe the older one stopped to make a call, check twitter or the news, and get some gas.   The young and stupid one thought he would go in and buy a snack with some hard won cash.  No point in stealing cash if you aren't going to use it
Keep the hostage's phone. They didn't realize it was there or that it could track them down.  They didn't realize about the ATMs so it is conceivable that they didn't know about GPS too?
Bri ...


The first thing I looked at: Not understand how ATMs work. I don't think most people realize that ATMs are connected by computer networks and didn't exactly know that they would not be able to get more cash out.
Confess to the hostage. Kids famous so he brags to someone in the heat of the moment.  Maybe didn't think anyone would take him seriously anyway.
Stop for snacks.When the chips are down....gotta have chips. Maybe the older one stopped to make a call, check twitter or the news, and get some gas.   The young and stupid one thought he would go in and buy a snack with some hard won cash.  No point in stealing cash if you aren't going to use it
Keep the hostage's phone. They didn't realize it was there or that it could track them down.  They didn't realize about the ATMs so it is conceivable that they didn't know about GPS too?
Bring a BB g ...

You seem to have mastered the art of baseless and unlikely speculation.

Seems like the article writer should have just asked for your opinion since you have all the answers.

/did you hear that sound?
//it was my eyes rolling.


Why thank you! I got my degree at NYU in baseless speculation, with a minor in bass.

Yeah so, its more speculation.  I just thought I would don a hat made out of a New York Post newspaper and take a whirl at how much bullshiat I could conjure up on each of those "weird" points.
Isn't that what all these threads on these events are anyway?  Puns, double entendres, and speculation.

No I didn't hear that sound because I am busy listening to New York City rush hour, sirens wailing, people honking and yelling at each other.

Signed Larry Holmes
 
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