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2013-04-23 02:49:41 PM

Cork on Fork: make me some tea: Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

It could make the difference between life in prison or the death penalty though. Reports make it seem like he has been cooperative with investigators so far. So, that might convince the government not to seek the death penalty at all. Or, a jury who finds him guilty but truly believes that his brother was the really culpable one might not vote to give him death on that basis.*

Of course, some people (me included) would argue that spending the rest of your life in 23-hour/day isolation might actually be a fate worse than death, but that is another issue.

* both crimes also authorize a judge to impose imprisonment for "any term of years," so it is technically possible that he could be sentenced to something less than life. But I would think that there would need to be some pretty extraordinary circumstances for that. Nonetheless, a judge could sentence him to something like 70 years if they thought he deserved a chance at spending a few days as a free man before he dies. And at that point the state would just try him for murder so he would have to serve that sentence after he finishes the federal one, thus making sure he never sees freedom again.


See the link I posted at 2013-04-23 02:41:06 PM

More info there.
 
2013-04-23 02:50:35 PM

shortymac: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: hobnail: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma:
[SNIP]


I know the people experience religious reawakenings when they have kids. My dad got very invested in religious teachings when my mom was pregnant, they formally joined a church and scheduled a baptism prior to my birth. My dad expressed significant remorse when the baptism of my brother was delayed due to a death in the family, he expected us to b ...

Tamerlan was an abusive douchbag, he was arrest for assaulting his girlfriend in 2009.

I'm not 100% sure if the abused GF is now his wife, it's not surprising he had a kid so soon after.

Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.

Asshats like this need someone to control and abuse 24/7 to make themselves feel good about themselves.

I guess pushing around women didn't do it for him anymore, so he decided to blow people up.


I believe that the beat up girlfriend is now his wife. Good olde knock'em up make up action, FTW?

/Ripping out Urinary Tract Infections sounds awful.
//I think you mean IUDs?
 
2013-04-23 02:50:42 PM

dallylamma: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...

I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.

Pretty much huh? "I've done nothing with my life and all the advantages given to me and this causes me to feel unfulfilled...IT MUST BE AMERICA'S FAULT!!!11!!ONE!"


Also, upon further thought, he probably didn't want to go back to Chechnya to fight for his country because it gets awful Putiny over there whenever anyone steps out of line.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect someone as self-obsessed as he is to actually really put himself out there for his Chechen brethren. Plus, Putin is pretty much a real life Russian Superhero, right? Isn't that what the memes tell me? Him and Chuck Norris?


Well that didn't work...imagin a hilarious meme of Putin swimming out to fight a bear that just insulted him.
 
2013-04-23 02:53:39 PM
As soon as the shiat went down, I started describing thier actions as amateur hour. Seems I was right.
 
2013-04-23 02:54:07 PM
If disappearing after the bombings would be too suspicious.  It's easy.  Have your Florida road trip already announced beforehand.  So people are expecting you to be out of town.  Doesn't mean you actually go to Florida.  They're just not surprised when you're missing.
 
2013-04-23 02:56:59 PM

indarwinsshadow: I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.


Friday night, I'd had a few drinks, and just started thinking out loud about what I would have done differently if I was one of these guys.

It wasn't even major stuff, it was little things like "grow a beard before the attacks, then shave". There were some really simple things you could have done with the bombs to make them more effective that I'm not going to mention here.

After beating my gums for a couple of minutes, I realized just how sociopathic I sounded. Since I have no desire to be a terrorist, I decided to shut up. But, really, a little planning goes a long way. A lot of planning leads you to the "maybe I shouldn't blow people up" conclusion, which is even better.
 
2013-04-23 02:57:34 PM

BizarreMan: If disappearing after the bombings would be too suspicious.  It's easy.  Have your Florida road trip already announced beforehand.  So people are expecting you to be out of town.  Doesn't mean you actually go to Florida.  They're just not surprised when you're missing.


Yeah, but that takes intelligence and a lot of fore planning.  These guys seemed to have done none of that, perhaps thinking they would just blend into the masses and thus woudl never be identified.

Most terrorists seem to be, well, rather stupid.
 
2013-04-23 03:00:20 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

[i236.photobucket.com image 309x237]


Keep in mind this was no ordinary BB gun.  FBI ballistics experts have analyzed the weapon and found it to be an official Red Ryder carbine action, two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time.

/where's flick?
 
2013-04-23 03:00:42 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!


Interesting...
 
2013-04-23 03:01:41 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?


When we decided that terrorists have to be some type of criminal mastermind.
 
2013-04-23 03:01:58 PM

FatherChaos: 24.media.tumblr.com


Huh....I never noticed that the Jump to Conclusions mat was rotsky'd.
 
2013-04-23 03:03:36 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


That's been my theory too.

I think they were honestly dumb enough to believe that no one could possibly link them to the bombing.  They were just two guys passing through a huge, open crowd.  Once they got safely away from the scene of the crime, they thought they were in the clear, and so they just went on with their lives for the next few days.

Then when the FBI released their photos, they must have had an epic "oh shiat" moment (which I would love to have seen), and then threw together on the fly an extremely poorly conceived and executed escape plan.
 
2013-04-23 03:08:34 PM
None of this is bizarre when you consider they A) Never thought they'd be identified and B) Were stupid.
 
2013-04-23 03:10:00 PM

make me some tea: See the link I posted at 2013-04-23 02:41:06 PM

More info there.


I know, that's why I said it seemed like he was being cooperative. Unfortunately for him it sounds like he doesn't have anyone more important to offer up to try and save his own life, but I wouldn't be surprised if many years from now we found out that some website or video he referred to ended up helping authorities shut down that Canada plot (even if he had no clue about it, if the Canada guys visited the same website it could have raised a flag somewhere).

I'm certainly not saying he isn't an absolutely vile individual who deserves whatever he gets (assuming he did what is alleged, and it sure seems like he did), I'm just saying that the government or a jury might conclude that being so open after his arrest weighs against the death penalty (thus reserving the most severe punishment for people who do horrible things and don't cooperate).

It is an unfortunate reality that criminals often have information that the police don't, and those criminals will only give up that information if they can benefit by doing so.

Either way, because of the state crimes that can still be charged, I think the real question is how/when he dies in prison, not if.
 
2013-04-23 03:12:31 PM

TheOriginalEd: As soon as the shiat went down, I started describing thier actions as amateur hour. Seems I was right.


It's always amateur hour for the people that actually do these things. The truly smart ones stay in the background and let other people be disposable.
 
2013-04-23 03:14:18 PM
Has it been explained how these bombs worked?  I saw in one photo that batteries were involved, but I still don't get how they worked.  Were the pressure cookers turned on?  Why use pressure cookers if they weren't turned on (and I assume pressurized)? How were they detonated?  If they were detonated from a cell phone, why not detonate them from a long ways away where you won't be in so many photos?  How did they not accidentally go off while being carried if they were filled with explosives?
 
2013-04-23 03:16:09 PM
 
2013-04-23 03:17:36 PM
If I ever commit some spectacular crime, I'm going to bring a water pistol and stop off for a round of mini-golf when I'm done, just to give the conspiracy nuts something to obsess about.  :D
 
2013-04-23 03:21:24 PM

Cork on Fork: TheOriginalEd: As soon as the shiat went down, I started describing thier actions as amateur hour. Seems I was right.

It's always amateur hour for the people that actually do these things. The truly smart ones stay in the background and let other people be disposable.


The truly smart ones realize that there is no way that you are going to get away with it, even if you are in the background, and don't do it in the first place.
 
2013-04-23 03:23:46 PM

wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?


cdn.head-fi.org
/you're thinking of crock pots
 
2013-04-23 03:23:48 PM

Doc Daneeka: wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/erin-mattin gl y-pressure-cooker-bombs.cnn


That video answered exactly none of my questions.
 
2013-04-23 03:25:39 PM

wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?  I saw in one photo that batteries were involved, but I still don't get how they worked.  Were the pressure cookers turned on?  Why use pressure cookers if they weren't turned on (and I assume pressurized)? How were they detonated?  If they were detonated from a cell phone, why not detonate them from a long ways away where you won't be in so many photos?  How did they not accidentally go off while being carried if they were filled with explosives?


Do you actually want to talk about bomb construction on a public internet forum on April 23, 2013?

I could answer your question, but you should just Google it instead. That way, it'll cut the number of trips the FBI has to make in half, and that's an important cost savings in this economy.
 
2013-04-23 03:28:54 PM

Gonz: Do you actually want to talk about bo-b construction on a public internet forum on April 23, 2013?

I could answer your question, but you should just Google it instead. That way, it'll cut the number of trips the FBI has to make in half, and that's an important cost savings in this economy.


Ahyup.
 
2013-04-23 03:29:01 PM
Yet again leave it to the 'press' to get the fact wrong, the article claims they had an M4 Carbine...

An M4 Carbine, a 7-12k dollar federally tracked and tax stamped fully automatic weapon???!!! Bullshiate, if anything they had an AR-15, a semi-auto rifle....

blog.robballen.com
 
2013-04-23 03:29:09 PM

tommyl66: Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?

Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?


Actually, it is not a very good answer... both left the US, the mother arrested a couple of years ago for shoplifting, and it looks like the father lives in a crappy flea-ridden flat. They did not have money.

I think Clemkadidlefark's point is a good one. For some idiotic reason, other farkers in this thread think he's clinging on to a false flag conspiracy theory, I didn't get that at all, especially after his earlier post. I agree, this was a financed operation, Tamerlan met with somebody when he returned to Asia (via his trip to Russia) to finalize his plans and whatever else needed to be done.

The money question is always valid. I would like to think the FBI is investigating that angle thoroughly. This may yet trace back to al qaida.Chechen islamists are known to farm themselves out for "the cause" and take pride in not being squeamish with getting their hands bloody.

Let's not forget the Brendan Moss murder angle... I'd guess that was a test, both on the brothers' part to see that they could kill, up close and personal, without any qualms - as well as a demonstration that they would act on orders given by some organization.

As for the whole "muslims do not punch people in the face" - why can't that statement be an outright lie, said just to get out of boxing 'gracefully'?

Likewise, the pattern of behavior after the bombing simply indicates that they thought they'd get away with it. They were never given an exit plan because whoever they might have been answering to wanted them to die int he attack or see what sort of response they'd provoke from the police. There is valuable intelligence to be had when you know HOW somebody gets caught by your enemy - we all understand the intelligence assets available now to any agency that has to investigate a terror attack in a large US city now.
 
2013-04-23 03:29:44 PM

wearetheworld: Doc Daneeka: wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/erin-mattin gl y-pressure-cooker-bombs.cnn

That video answered exactly none of my questions.


Y'know, I hear the Tsarnev's learned their shiat from the internet and there's this fancy-ass thing called Google.  You could Bing! it, I suppose, but jesus, have some taste.
 
2013-04-23 03:30:44 PM

ongbok: The truly smart ones realize that there is no way that you are going to get away with it, even if you are in the background, and don't do it in the first place.


I sort of disagree. The ones who are really committed are willing to take that risk, they just aren't willing to put themselves out in the open to do it. That's what makes them so dangerous. They don't really care if people knew they were responsible; they only care that they don't get found so they can keep doing more.
 
2013-04-23 03:34:45 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?



That was a interesting read. I've heard some others bring it up, but nothing answers the question though.
 
2013-04-23 03:36:46 PM

LesserEvil: tommyl66: Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?

Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?

Actually, it is not a very good answer... both left the US, the mother arrested a couple of years ago for shoplifting, and it looks like the father lives in a crappy flea-ridden flat. They did not have money.

I think Clemkadidlefark's point is a good one. For some idiotic reason, other farkers in this thread think he's clinging on to a false flag conspiracy theory, I didn't get that at all, especially after his earlier post. I agree, this was a financed operation, Tamerlan met with somebody when he returned to Asia (via his trip to Russia) to finalize his plans and whatever else needed to be done.

The money question is always valid. I would like to think the FBI is investigating that angle thoroughly. This may yet trace back to al qaida.Chechen islamists are known to farm themselves out for "the cause" and take pride in not being squeamish with getting their hands bloody.

Let's not forget the Brendan Moss murder angle... I'd guess that was a test, both on the brothers' part to see that they could kill, up close and personal, without any qualms - as well as a demonstration that they would act on orders given by some organization.

As for the whole "muslims do not punch people in the face" - why can't that statement be an outright lie, said just to get out of boxing 'gracefully'?

Likewise, the pattern of behavior after the bombing simply indicates that they thought they'd get away with it. They were never given an exit plan because whoever they might have been answering to wanted them to die int he attack or see what sort of response they'd provoke from the police. There is valuable intelligence to be had when you know HOW somebody gets caught by your enemy - we all understand the intelligence assets available now to any agency that has to investigate a terror attack in a large US city now.


Yeah, you could be right. My theory on the murder thing was "he did it and left the country so as not to get caught, and when they noticed that nobody was looking for him in connection with it he came back since the coast was clear". I have no idea if the timeline supports this theory, but Detective Tutuola and Captain Kragen think I am onto something.
 
2013-04-23 03:37:48 PM

skozlaw: RoyHobbs22: Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?

Because that's cruel and tragic rather than stupid or bizarre.


Like the hijinks of this fella?

content.internetvideoarchive.com
 
2013-04-23 03:43:55 PM

shortymac: /No one deserves an abusive partner, GTFO//He wanted to be an engineer, for some reason engineers are easily radicalized.///Source:  http://orientemiedo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/diego-gambetta-steffe n -hertog-why-are-there-so-many-engineers-among-islamic-radicals.pdf


This is not a mystery to anyone that knows engineers. You'll never meet a group of nutbars more willing to believe in the unbelievable and the unprovable until you meet some engineers. Remember that every time you drive over a bridge.
 
2013-04-23 03:49:17 PM
LOL. Al quaeda, right wing conservatism and religiousity confirmed.

"The results are startling (Table VII). The proportion of engineers
who declare themselves to be on the right of the political
spectrum is greater than in any other disciplinary group: 57.6 % of
them are either conservative or strongly conservative, as compared to
51.1 % of economists, 42.5 % of doctors and 33.5 % of scientists, 21.4 %
of those in the humanities, and 18.6 % of the social scientists, the least
right-wing of all disciplinary groups. Only 1.4 % of engineers are on the
left, as opposed to 12.9 % in the social sciences and 16.7 % in law.
Perhaps this is an uncanny coincidence, but the four fields at the top of
the conservatism scale - engineering, economics, medicine, and science -
are the same four secular fields we found at the top of our main jihadist
sample....
The Carnegie survey reveals an even more surprising fact, hitherto
unnoticed, that strengthens the suspicion that the engineers' mindset
may play a part in their proneness not only to radicalise to the right of the
political spectrum, but do so with a religious slant: engineers turn out to
be by far the most religious group of all academics - 66.5 %, followed
again by 61.7 % in economics, 49.9 % in sciences, 48.8 % of social
scientists, 46.3 % of doctors and 44.1 % of lawyers. Engineers and
economists are also those who oppose religion least (3.7 % and 3.0 %,"

EPIC LULZ
 
2013-04-23 03:59:46 PM

Fish in a Barrel: If I ever commit some spectacular crime, I'm going to bring a water pistol and stop off for a round of mini-golf when I'm done, just to give the conspiracy nuts something to obsess about.  :D


Or if your by a place that has skee ball play a bunch and give your prize tickets to kids
 
2013-04-23 04:00:33 PM

Maud Dib: CygnusDarius: Welp, an acquaintance from fb has been passing around this link (may containt tinfoil), which makes wanna facepalm.

Thx for the heads up on the dead body pics, farkface.


Ok, I apologize for that.
 
2013-04-23 04:02:53 PM
Stop for snacks.TheLos Angeles Times that the hostage escaped after the brothers stopped at a gas station on Memorial Drive to buy snacks.

An interview with the hostage said that one was getting snacks while the other was pumping gas. So it's not like they got the munchies and stopped for food. Gas was required for them to go anywhere in that vehicle.
 
2013-04-23 04:03:15 PM

Doc Daneeka: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

That's been my theory too.

I think they were honestly dumb enough to believe that no one could possibly link them to the bombing.  They were just two guys passing through a huge, open crowd.  Once they got safely away from the scene of the crime, they thought they were in the clear, and so they just went on with their lives for the next few days.

Then when the FBI released their photos, they must have had an epic "oh shiat" moment (which I would love to have seen), and then threw together on the fly an extremely poorly conceived and executed escape plan.


Ditto.
 
2013-04-23 04:08:28 PM

Gilligann: Stop for snacks.TheLos Angeles Times that the hostage escaped after the brothers stopped at a gas station on Memorial Drive to buy snacks.

An interview with the hostage said that one was getting snacks while the other was pumping gas. So it's not like they got the munchies and stopped for food. Gas was required for them to go anywhere in that vehicle.


You try taking a road trip without Combos.  Can't be done.
 
2013-04-23 04:10:17 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.


That's the military definition

The legal definition is pretty much fancy words to say bomb
 
2013-04-23 04:11:01 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


This
 
2013-04-23 04:16:32 PM

Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?


According to reports they needed another pistol, and the cop had one.
 
2013-04-23 04:20:02 PM
Question was: I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.

Answer: I understand it was as simple as buying matches LOTS and LOTS of matches. Then scrape the heads off of them in to a powder form. This is charge. Then you take sugar and (without too much detail) situate these two things. You have a chosen source of ignition which lights the powder which causes the sugar to smolder/ burn which builds tremendous amounts of pressure in a confined space.

/i got this from the radio Saturday and could not believe it is so simple.
//ratios were not discussed, which is a good thing.
 
2013-04-23 04:20:08 PM

rkiller1: Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?

According to reports they needed another pistol, and the cop had one.


So.... the draconian state gun control laws forced the brothers to kill a police officer to get a weapon?

/Not really trying to fark that chicken, just saying....
//Not a member of the NRA
 
2013-04-23 04:22:55 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Time to bring him in.  He'll let us know how it's all tied together
/not conspiracies... Conspiracy - SINGULAR
//Yes I just finished JL and JLU on Netflix.
 
2013-04-23 04:23:57 PM

WTFDYW: Question was: I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.

Answer: I understand it was as simple as buying matches LOTS and LOTS of matches. Then scrape the heads off of them in to a powder form. This is charge. Then you take sugar and (without too much detail) situate these two things. You have a chosen source of ignition which lights the powder which causes the sugar to smolder/ burn which builds tremendous amounts of pressure in a confined space.

/i got this from the radio Saturday and could not believe it is so simple.
//ratios were not discussed, which is a good thing.


If that's truly charge they used, then that's a bit of a relief.  I've heard rumors that they used smokeless powder, and that would suck for us reloaders.

/pretty sure smokeless would make a lousy bomb
 
2013-04-23 04:27:48 PM

wearetheworld: Doc Daneeka: wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/erin-mattin gl y-pressure-cooker-bombs.cnn

That video answered exactly none of my questions.


They used pressure cookers because the design of the pot contains the pressure a little when it goes off, increasing the explosive effect. Some pressure cookers now come with battery operated timers attached to them; you can rewire the timers to set off explosives within the sealed pot.
 
2013-04-23 04:31:07 PM
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shortymac: Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.


Please tell me you mean IUDs.
 
2013-04-23 04:40:51 PM

Clemkadidlefark: So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.


"Send the rookies out" is pretty much common practice for Jihadists everywhere.  Bomb placement, even for non-suicide types, is reserved for the low level types.  Over in the desert, being a bomb *maker* is a skilled position that merits additional protection.

Clemkadidlefark: Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


The vast majority of your questions can be summed up from three-four sources:  Full ride scholarship at UMAS for Dzhokhar has already been reported, and for the rest:  welfare, and family.  Their parents were not especially poor.  My parents have been supporting my unemployed brother's family for years.  House payment, insurance, car, car insurance, even food.  All paid for by Mom&Dad.  One thing to remember is that 'Family in Russia' doesn't mean that the family still in Russia are poor.

THX 1138: Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


That's the thing.  When I was growing up, WMDs were devices worthy of governments being concerned about other governments possessing them, practically on an individual device basis.  A 2k pound bomb was considered more or less unworthy of notice unless the enemy has thousands of them.  It was pretty much reserved for the 'big three' - chemical, biological, or nuclear.  Things that could take out multiple city blocks of people.

As such, calling devices such as the boston bombers detonated 'WMDs' seems to be a scare tactic to me.  I'm fine with calling it various things - destructive device, Improvised Explosive Device, bomb, etc...  But I think we need to save the WMD label for when it's appropriate - IE somebody actually attempts(or succeeds) to let loose with a CBRN device (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).
 
2013-04-23 04:42:12 PM
A 26 year old didn't know how ATM limits work? What a dumbass.

They're both dumbasses.
 
2013-04-23 04:48:22 PM

dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens...
 
They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West.
 
Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...


Because, from what I've read, as proud as a Chechen as he was, the Chechens just thought of him as an American wannabe and pretty much rejected him.

Which makes me think this bombing was less about defending Islam and more about making a name for himself with everyone who said he was too American. And if this is the case, the way he went about it, "go big or go home" is ironically, extremely American.
 
2013-04-23 04:51:07 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...



He lived with his dad for the 6 months he was in Russia.  (Or his dad is lying and covering up for him).  So it was not as expensive a trip as you make it.

I also think that the Russells were propably covering a lot of the costs for the granddaughter, and possibly their daughter too.

They also tried to empty the carjackee's bank account because they had no money.

Some of your questions may be valid but I get the feeling Tweedledum and Tweedledee did not have an Al-Qaeda Corporate Amex.
 
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