Cork on Fork: make me some tea: Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.It could make the difference between life in prison or the death penalty though. Reports make it seem like he has been cooperative with investigators so far. So, that might convince the government not to seek the death penalty at all. Or, a jury who finds him guilty but truly believes that his brother was the really culpable one might not vote to give him death on that basis.*Of course, some people (me included) would argue that spending the rest of your life in 23-hour/day isolation might actually be a fate worse than death, but that is another issue.* both crimes also authorize a judge to impose imprisonment for "any term of years," so it is technically possible that he could be sentenced to something less than life. But I would think that there would need to be some pretty extraordinary circumstances for that. Nonetheless, a judge could sentence him to something like 70 years if they thought he deserved a chance at spending a few days as a free man before he dies. And at that point the state would just try him for murder so he would have to serve that sentence after he finishes the federal one, thus making sure he never sees freedom again.
shortymac: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: hobnail: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma:[SNIP]I know the people experience religious reawakenings when they have kids. My dad got very invested in religious teachings when my mom was pregnant, they formally joined a church and scheduled a baptism prior to my birth. My dad expressed significant remorse when the baptism of my brother was delayed due to a death in the family, he expected us to b ...Tamerlan was an abusive douchbag, he was arrest for assaulting his girlfriend in 2009.I'm not 100% sure if the abused GF is now his wife, it's not surprising he had a kid so soon after.Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.Asshats like this need someone to control and abuse 24/7 to make themselves feel good about themselves.I guess pushing around women didn't do it for him anymore, so he decided to blow people up.
dallylamma: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens... They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West. Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...I wonder what Timur the Lame's idea of the American Dream was... because he found a pretty, smart girl to marry and had a child and disappeared for 6 months to Russia while she took care of their home and when he came back, she worked 70-80 hours a week to support him. Sounds like "working hard to achieve a good life" was not his American Dream. Such a farking loser.Pretty much huh? "I've done nothing with my life and all the advantages given to me and this causes me to feel unfulfilled...IT MUST BE AMERICA'S FAULT!!!11!!ONE!"Also, upon further thought, he probably didn't want to go back to Chechnya to fight for his country because it gets awful Putiny over there whenever anyone steps out of line.Yeah, I wouldn't expect someone as self-obsessed as he is to actually really put himself out there for his Chechen brethren. Plus, Putin is pretty much a real life Russian Superhero, right? Isn't that what the memes tell me? Him and Chuck Norris?
indarwinsshadow: I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover....it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.
BizarreMan: If disappearing after the bombings would be too suspicious. It's easy. Have your Florida road trip already announced beforehand. So people are expecting you to be out of town. Doesn't mean you actually go to Florida. They're just not surprised when you're missing.
Eddie Adams from Torrance: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird. Why bring a BB gun!??[i236.photobucket.com image 309x237]
ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!
MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?
Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.
make me some tea: See the link I posted at 2013-04-23 02:41:06 PMMore info there.
TheOriginalEd: As soon as the shiat went down, I started describing thier actions as amateur hour. Seems I was right.
wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?
Cork on Fork: TheOriginalEd: As soon as the shiat went down, I started describing thier actions as amateur hour. Seems I was right.It's always amateur hour for the people that actually do these things. The truly smart ones stay in the background and let other people be disposable.
wearetheworld: Were the pressure cookers turned on?
Doc Daneeka: wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/erin-mattin gl y-pressure-cooker-bombs.cnn
wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked? I saw in one photo that batteries were involved, but I still don't get how they worked. Were the pressure cookers turned on? Why use pressure cookers if they weren't turned on (and I assume pressurized)? How were they detonated? If they were detonated from a cell phone, why not detonate them from a long ways away where you won't be in so many photos? How did they not accidentally go off while being carried if they were filled with explosives?
Gonz: Do you actually want to talk about bo-b construction on a public internet forum on April 23, 2013?I could answer your question, but you should just Google it instead. That way, it'll cut the number of trips the FBI has to make in half, and that's an important cost savings in this economy.
tommyl66: Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?
wearetheworld: Doc Daneeka: wearetheworld: Has it been explained how these bombs worked?http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/erin-mattin gl y-pressure-cooker-bombs.cnnThat video answered exactly none of my questions.
ongbok: The truly smart ones realize that there is no way that you are going to get away with it, even if you are in the background, and don't do it in the first place.
Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?
LesserEvil: tommyl66: Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?Is "Mom and/or Dad" too obvious an answer?Actually, it is not a very good answer... both left the US, the mother arrested a couple of years ago for shoplifting, and it looks like the father lives in a crappy flea-ridden flat. They did not have money.I think Clemkadidlefark's point is a good one. For some idiotic reason, other farkers in this thread think he's clinging on to a false flag conspiracy theory, I didn't get that at all, especially after his earlier post. I agree, this was a financed operation, Tamerlan met with somebody when he returned to Asia (via his trip to Russia) to finalize his plans and whatever else needed to be done.The money question is always valid. I would like to think the FBI is investigating that angle thoroughly. This may yet trace back to al qaida.Chechen islamists are known to farm themselves out for "the cause" and take pride in not being squeamish with getting their hands bloody.Let's not forget the Brendan Moss murder angle... I'd guess that was a test, both on the brothers' part to see that they could kill, up close and personal, without any qualms - as well as a demonstration that they would act on orders given by some organization.As for the whole "muslims do not punch people in the face" - why can't that statement be an outright lie, said just to get out of boxing 'gracefully'?Likewise, the pattern of behavior after the bombing simply indicates that they thought they'd get away with it. They were never given an exit plan because whoever they might have been answering to wanted them to die int he attack or see what sort of response they'd provoke from the police. There is valuable intelligence to be had when you know HOW somebody gets caught by your enemy - we all understand the intelligence assets available now to any agency that has to investigate a terror attack in a large US city now.
skozlaw: RoyHobbs22: Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?Because that's cruel and tragic rather than stupid or bizarre.
shortymac: /No one deserves an abusive partner, GTFO//He wanted to be an engineer, for some reason engineers are easily radicalized.///Source: http://orientemiedo.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/diego-gambetta-steffe n -hertog-why-are-there-so-many-engineers-among-islamic-radicals.pdf
Fish in a Barrel: If I ever commit some spectacular crime, I'm going to bring a water pistol and stop off for a round of mini-golf when I'm done, just to give the conspiracy nuts something to obsess about. :D
Maud Dib: CygnusDarius: Welp, an acquaintance from fb has been passing around this link (may containt tinfoil), which makes wanna facepalm.Thx for the heads up on the dead body pics, farkface.
Doc Daneeka: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.That's been my theory too.I think they were honestly dumb enough to believe that no one could possibly link them to the bombing. They were just two guys passing through a huge, open crowd. Once they got safely away from the scene of the crime, they thought they were in the clear, and so they just went on with their lives for the next few days.Then when the FBI released their photos, they must have had an epic "oh shiat" moment (which I would love to have seen), and then threw together on the fly an extremely poorly conceived and executed escape plan.
Gilligann: Stop for snacks.TheLos Angeles Times that the hostage escaped after the brothers stopped at a gas station on Memorial Drive to buy snacks.An interview with the hostage said that one was getting snacks while the other was pumping gas. So it's not like they got the munchies and stopped for food. Gas was required for them to go anywhere in that vehicle.
Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.
Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture. I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in. It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there. What does that get you?
rkiller1: Rapmaster2000: Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture. I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in. It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there. What does that get you?According to reports they needed another pistol, and the cop had one.
WTFDYW: Question was: I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.Answer: I understand it was as simple as buying matches LOTS and LOTS of matches. Then scrape the heads off of them in to a powder form. This is charge. Then you take sugar and (without too much detail) situate these two things. You have a chosen source of ignition which lights the powder which causes the sugar to smolder/ burn which builds tremendous amounts of pressure in a confined space./i got this from the radio Saturday and could not believe it is so simple.//ratios were not discussed, which is a good thing.
shortymac: Abusers try and knock-up their victims so they can never leave them. Anyone who has done any work with domestic violence victims will tell you stories of thrown out BC pills, punctured condoms, and even ripping out UTIs. Why do you think she worked her ass off while HE stayed at home? "Traditional values" my ass.
Clemkadidlefark: So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.
Clemkadidlefark: Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.
THX 1138: Piece of crap? According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!
dallylamma: The more I read about these two the more I agree with their Uncle, what a pair of farking losers. They got the golden ticket out of the bombed out shiathole that is Chechnya/Dagestan, came to the US, were able to earn scholarships for post-secondary educations, became citizens... They should have been great examples of the American Dream, but instead it seems like someone was able to give them (the older one anyway) a hard-on for the old country, the old ways and a hatred of the decadent West. Well shiat son, nobody was stopping you, why didn't you go back to the old country if you were such a proud Chechen...
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