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2013-04-23 01:25:06 PM

Super Chronic: This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.


And McVeigh blew up a building, then... decided to drive around in a truck with no license plates, and *stopped* when an officer pulled him over.

It's like they can't think several steps ahead or something.
 
2013-04-23 01:25:43 PM
I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:12 PM
12. Bomb the Boston Marathon.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:16 PM

Bontesla: Yogimus: make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.

This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.

That pretty much summarizes my thoughts.


Same here. But I do look forward to seeing what the actual bomber has to say about it, if anything.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:23 PM

Oldiron_79: Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.


He's never going into general population.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:33 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: IgG4: Hardly the behavior of a hardened jihadi...

But certainly the behavior of a crazy person who just bombed people.

It DOES actually make sense if you consider that he previously may have killed his best friend and got away with it. Psychopaths are master liars and disassociators. "He seemed like a normal guy" to me is reinforcing evidence that he was a psychopath.


But the older brother wasn't normal. He didn't fit in. He was a terrible liar and couldn't disassociate himself. When the two were identified - so many people thought it made total sense that the older brother would be mixed in with this.

The younger brother seems like your sociopath.
 
2013-04-23 01:27:34 PM
It's what if Harold and Kumar actually did try to become terrorists. Although those two would've been a little smarter.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Maybe it's more like Bill and Ted...

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-23 01:28:02 PM

indarwinsshadow: I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.


Welcome to the 21st Century, where everyone talks about everything everywhere. It's never going to end, either.
 
2013-04-23 01:28:38 PM
Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.
 
2013-04-23 01:28:54 PM

Rapmaster2000: Oldiron_79: Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.

He's never going into general population.


He'll be in a hole in a Supermax prison until he's executed. Allegedly.
 
2013-04-23 01:29:19 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-23 01:29:54 PM

FLMountainMan: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!

Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.


I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.
 
2013-04-23 01:30:30 PM

Clemkadidlefark: make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.

So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.


This thought hadn't crossed my mind, and is actually somewhat likely and very frightening.
 
2013-04-23 01:31:09 PM

Felgraf: Super Chronic: This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.

And McVeigh blew up a building, then... decided to drive around in a truck with no license plates, and *stopped* when an officer pulled him over.

It's like they can't think several steps ahead or something.


Or like invading a country, and having no real plan to occupy it and rebuild it.  Just assuming "they'll welcome us as liberators, what can go wrong?"
 
2013-04-23 01:31:49 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.


Boston is in Massachusetts.  It's a weapon of Mass. destruction.
 
2013-04-23 01:33:29 PM

make me some tea: Bontesla: Yogimus: make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.

This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.

That pretty much summarizes my thoughts.

Same here. But I do look forward to seeing what the actual bomber has to say about it, if anything.


God... I'd LOVE to see answers to all of these questions being raised.
 
2013-04-23 01:33:42 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Wow. I naively thought that a 'weapon of mass destruction" had to be able to wipe out an entire city (like a nuclear bomb or a gas attack) or damage an economy at the same scale (like a releasing a fungus that could wipe out all cherry trees in a nation, or poisoning a water supply so that everyone in a region had to move).

Setting off a bomb that kills 3 people and wounds a hundred or so seems small. I am glad that the perspective of the government is that less is more. In fact I am a little happy that I misjudged the size that the US cares about.


I, too, am glad that our government takes it seriously when a device the size of a household cooking pot (and is in fact made of a cooking pot) but injures/kills nearly 200 people, then labels it a weapon of mass destruction. I would hate to have this sort of thing treated as a "boys will be boys" joke when they intended to do real damage to people. For its comparative size to the amount of damage done, it did create mass destruction, IMO.
 
2013-04-23 01:34:31 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: 12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.


Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!
 
2013-04-23 01:35:09 PM
Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?

Farking Soros, that's who.  Wake up, sheeple!
 
2013-04-23 01:35:33 PM
It could break the skin and start a very ugly infection
 
2013-04-23 01:35:34 PM
I think my only unanswered question is what type of explosive did they use? Dunno if the police gave that info out but I'm suffering from information overload from this incident and havent kept up that much.
 
2013-04-23 01:35:40 PM

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com
 
2013-04-23 01:36:56 PM
#1 Blow up innocent people?
 
2013-04-23 01:37:32 PM
Bontesla:Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

Actually, his tweets are one of the smart things he did do.   His number one goal is to act like he had nothing to do with it.   How to achieve that? Do what you normally do.. go to parties, tell people to be safe from the terror, etc.

If one is very active on social media, and then when a huge story in your home town hits, and you are silent about it, THAT is what becomes suspicious.    Fleeing, also would've been suspicious.
 
2013-04-23 01:37:53 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

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Careful, you'll put someone's eye out with that.
 
2013-04-23 01:42:01 PM

THX 1138: Prank Call of Cthulhu: 12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.

Piece of crap?  According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


After Taco Bell, I often crap weapons of mass destruction.
 
2013-04-23 01:42:10 PM
I would have thought that 'blow up the Boston Marathon' might have made the list of "The 11 most bizarre things the Tsarnaev brothers did "
 
2013-04-23 01:42:52 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?


They're not. One is a value judgment.
 
2013-04-23 01:44:20 PM

Flab: James!: He went to a party?

[www.thedailyrash.com image 613x498]


www.partyviberadio.com
 
2013-04-23 01:44:42 PM

indarwinsshadow: I know I'm not addressing this to anyone, more just voicing an opinion, but shouldn't the news agencies shut the hell up about this? It's like they're writing a handbook for the next guys who will go "ok, so this is the sh*t we can't do". Check. I can think of dozens of things also that I would have done differently and more than likely have succeeded and got away with. But I sure as hell won't post them. Why would I do something like train someone in good ideas? Enough already news organizations. It's not a video game. It doesn't need colour commentary. Stop already, enough. It's not news, it's collusion and participation now. The story is temporarily over with. Let the government move forward and do their jobs. There must be more stories to cover.

...it's weird how strange the west has got over the past 20 years. We're not spectators as much as participants in these events.


Subheadline on CNN.com right now: "How a Pressure Cooker Bomb Works"
 
2013-04-23 01:45:08 PM
Tatsuma:/how about Tamerlan dropping boxing because 'Muslims don't punch people in the face' shortly before dropping bombs in a public place?

Bombs are not fists. It may be a strange statement, but it's not inconsistent. Maybe he meant that Muslims don't stoop to mere fisticuffs. Or maybe he meant that Muslims don't fight as a sport. There are lots of ways to read that.
 
2013-04-23 01:45:14 PM

gilgigamesh: I made it as far as "the FBI and its media" before my eyes rolled out of my head.


?? Does the FBI not have a PR department? A press agent? Some department in charge of what to release, how to release it, and how to spin it? We're talking about the agency that's been behind the majority of the "terror attacks" since 9/11 here, in the interest of entrapment.
 
2013-04-23 01:45:34 PM

Sybarite: xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??

National Lampoon's Family Vacation.jpg

Mind reader! Neatly avoided simulpost.
 
2013-04-23 01:45:42 PM

Clemkadidlefark: make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.

So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.


I have flipped-flopped. The paranoid part of me says that this was a test of the system, these guys are the scouting party. The rational part of me says that these guys were amateurs.
 
2013-04-23 01:46:47 PM

ShawnDoc: Or like invading a country, and having no real plan to occupy it and rebuild it. Just assuming "they'll welcome us as liberators, what can go wrong?"


Not everybody is as meek  and dependent as Boston. Foreign countries, even less so.
 
2013-04-23 01:47:07 PM
Clemkadidlefark:
Indeed, where did all the money come from that allowed these two young men to do as they have done? Including the expense of making bombs out of $50 pressure cookers? Because what we know so far, they had expenses. Big expenses. And I see no visible means of support.


Mother Jones? What tootsie roll of wisdom do you drop on us?


Big expenses and no visible means of support pretty much defines the college experience.
 
2013-04-23 01:47:17 PM

THX 1138: Piece of crap? According to the charges listed in TFA, it's now officially classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, and I can hardly see them doing that if it were indeed just a piece of crap!


What's funny is I had some delicious black-eyed peas and ham last night and I cooked it in less than an hour. With a weapon of mass destruction!
 
2013-04-23 01:48:00 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...
CONSPIRACY!


FTFY

Just because you don't know the answer to something doesn't mean the answer is being hidden.
 
2013-04-23 01:48:05 PM
Until I hear what Gov Jesse Ventura has to say on the subject, I will not be able to fully comment.  His deep thoughts and analysis of the 9/11 attacks gives him credence.

Jesse - where art thou?

What is the REAL story behind:
- the Boston Bombings
- the Canadian Attempted Train derailings
- the MLB game delay yesterday of the Braves and Rockies due to snow?

All of this must be inter-related.   Just need to know how
 
2013-04-23 01:50:37 PM
This is what happens when the Twitter generation get angry.
 
2013-04-23 01:51:49 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


Exactly what it seems like to me as well.  Everything they did makes it seem like they didn't think there was any way they would be linked to the bombings.
 
2013-04-23 01:53:15 PM
I thought the most bizarre thing was that there is/was no statement from the bombers. Until they tell me what I should be terrified of, I'm gonna keep on being an American Imperialist Pigdog. Makes the whole thing a waste of time, really.
 
2013-04-23 01:53:45 PM
Either they were really really stupid, or they never planned on escaping in the first place - i.e. martyrdom.
 
2013-04-23 01:55:30 PM

Theaetetus: Bombs are not fists. It may be a strange statement, but it's not inconsistent. Maybe he meant that Muslims don't stoop to mere fisticuffs. Or maybe he meant that Muslims don't fight as a sport. There are lots of ways to read that.


I've watched a lecture on YouTube about Islam and sport from which I gathered that certain sports are haram because they emphasize personal glory rather than team or community values.

The sad part was that this imam proceeded to twist all that around to sell his own personal preference for football over cricket as somehow divinely sanctioned. Typical "religious" jerk-off.
 
2013-04-23 01:55:30 PM

vento: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.
Exactly what it seems like to me as well.  Everything they did makes it seem like they didn't think there was any way they would be linked to the bombings.


It is pretty amazing that they were properly identified by the FBI after the 10 miles of bullshiat false leads and speculation they had to swim through.
 
2013-04-23 01:56:06 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $8 ...


24.media.tumblr.com

You need facts to prove a conspiracy, not speculations.  If you start making connections that don't exist, if further discredits your claims.
 
2013-04-23 01:56:25 PM

Yogimus: This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.


So let's treat it like a mass shooting.

We need bomb control.  Once we ban bombs, we won't have to worry about things like this.  Oh, wait. . .
 
2013-04-23 01:57:39 PM

RoyHobbs22: Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?


That was my first thought as well.  I figured the article would say, "Outside of the obvious #1 choice..." or something like that, but it didn't.
 
2013-04-23 01:57:50 PM

JohnCarter: Until I hear what Gov Jesse Ventura has to say on the subject, I will not be able to fully comment.  His deep thoughts and analysis of the 9/11 attacks gives him credence.

Jesse - where art thou?

What is the REAL story behind:
- the Boston Bombings
- the Canadian Attempted Train derailings
- the MLB game delay yesterday of the Braves and Rockies due to snow?

All of this must be inter-related.   Just need to know how


Two words.........underwear gnomes!
 
2013-04-23 01:58:05 PM

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: FLMountainMan: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!

Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.

I value my own intelligence pretty highly, but I get a lot of my insights into crime from TV and the first thing they do on TV is get rid of clothes and other evidence in your possession after you've committed a crime. You'd think that Joker could have picked up a thing or two from TV that told him not to keep his clothes from the day of the bombing.


Perhaps it was his lucky shirt.
 
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