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2013-04-23 10:56:52 AM  
The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.
 
2013-04-23 11:02:20 AM  

make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"
 
2013-04-23 11:03:25 AM  
He went to a party?
 
2013-04-23 11:11:57 AM  
Hardly the behavior of a hardened jihadi...
 
2013-04-23 11:15:58 AM  

James!: He went to a party?


www.thedailyrash.com
 
2013-04-23 11:24:38 AM  
When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?
 
2013-04-23 11:32:52 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?


I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.
 
2013-04-23 11:40:02 AM  

make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.


I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...
 
2013-04-23 12:07:31 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...


I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.
 
2013-04-23 12:12:27 PM  

miss diminutive: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

The more I read about this, the more I suspect that these two were simply too dumb to have any political or religious motive beyond "durrr, America is bad, mkay?"


Me too.
 
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2013-04-23 12:16:17 PM  
make me some tea:

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.


Getting some dumb kid to blow things up pretty much IS the MO of jihads.
 
2013-04-23 12:27:49 PM  
Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??
 
2013-04-23 12:37:35 PM  

vpb: Getting some dumb kid to blow things up pretty much IS the MO of jihads.


Well yeah, but usually the dumb kid offs himself along with the bomb, doesn't try to get away and act all smooth.

Suicide bombers are particularly scary because for them it's a zero sum game.
 
2013-04-23 01:01:57 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...


the list in TFA fails without including his tweets.
 
2013-04-23 01:08:03 PM  

SlothB77: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

the list in TFA fails without including his tweets.


Indeed.
 
2013-04-23 01:10:44 PM  
Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.
 
2013-04-23 01:11:31 PM  

make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.


So, they sent the rookies out first to see how federal agencies respond, and how a big city PD would react. Outliers.
 
2013-04-23 01:11:57 PM  
Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.

This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?
 
2013-04-23 01:12:17 PM  
Clearly a false flag then!


/how about Tamerlan dropping boxing because 'Muslims don't punch people in the face' shortly before dropping bombs in a public place?
 
2013-04-23 01:13:11 PM  

make me some tea: I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism.


... have we been reading the same articles about terrorists? Most of them are far from 'professional'
 
2013-04-23 01:13:34 PM  

make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.


This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.
 
2013-04-23 01:14:46 PM  

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


To shoot your eye out.
 
2013-04-23 01:15:08 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.
 
2013-04-23 01:15:16 PM  
Maybe they're just f*cking stupid.

With few exceptions, was there ever a tendency for murderers to be particularly intelligent?
 
2013-04-23 01:16:40 PM  

Yogimus: make me some tea: Bontesla: make me some tea: The more I read about this, the more it's apparent to me that Johar was brought into this plot at the last minute to help his big brother out. I don't believe he really was into the jihadi crap.

Doesn't make him any less responsible, but that's my gut feeling anyway.

I'm inclined to agree. Hell, some of his tweets the day of and day after the marathon almost suggest he was oblivious to his own involvement. In particular - the one in which he tells Boston to be safe either suggests he's a true and rare sociopath or he's an too much of an idiot to realize he participated in the event.

That doesn't say much because I've been wrong about nearly every damned thing related to this event...

I'm leaning toward the 'sociopath' side of things. How the hell can anyone set off a bomb, killing and maiming people, and then go to a party and be out in public, acting like nothing happened, as if he was jovial that he'd gotten away with it? No remorse, not evidence of even disturbed by what he'd done. His world only seems to have come crashing down after his brother was killed.

I've been wrong a whole lot too, this is a bizarre case. It doesn't fit the MO of most jihadi attacks.

This wasnt a jihadi attack. It was more akin to a mass shooting, but with a different weapon. Motivation wise, at least.


That pretty much summarizes my thoughts.
 
2013-04-23 01:17:22 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


Yeah, they seemed to whip up "phase two" of their plan on the fly, and it was just terrible.

Or maybe they only read the NY Post and 4chan and assumed the authorities would be going after the 17-year-old kid and his friend with the orange juice in his backpack.
 
2013-04-23 01:18:12 PM  
Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?
 
2013-04-23 01:18:17 PM  

Rapmaster2000: What does that get you?


Killed or caught, apparently.

The sad thing is that these two seem so ridiculously stupid at this point that I have to believe we were basically one butterfly wing flap away from a comical story about two Russian kids blowing themselves up in a dorm room instead of the ongoing tragedy we actually wound up with.
 
2013-04-23 01:18:17 PM  

make me some tea: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When did "bizarre" become the equivalent of "stupid"?

I think perhaps it's bizarre that they were so incredibly stupid. I guess we're accustomed to more professional terrorism. These kids were clearly amateurs and hadn't thought their clever plan through.


Sociopaths.  Just not very good ones.
 
2013-04-23 01:18:22 PM  

IgG4: Hardly the behavior of a hardened jihadi...


But certainly the behavior of a crazy person who just bombed people.

It DOES actually make sense if you consider that he previously may have killed his best friend and got away with it. Psychopaths are master liars and disassociators. "He seemed like a normal guy" to me is reinforcing evidence that he was a psychopath.
 
2013-04-23 01:18:32 PM  
Clearly the fact that the younger one was a pot smoker created this slippery slope of planting pressure cooker bombs.
 
2013-04-23 01:19:28 PM  

RoyHobbs22: Why isn't "setting farking bombs off at the Boston Marathon" on the list?


Because that's cruel and tragic rather than stupid or bizarre.
 
2013-04-23 01:19:31 PM  
This is something that law enforcement agents have long known: terrorists are, for the most part, not very bright.  Remember, they captured the 1993 WTC bomber because he went back to the car rental agency to try to recover the security deposit for the truck he had just blown up.
 
2013-04-23 01:20:10 PM  

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


You could break the skin and it could cause a very painful infection

/moose out front shoulda told ya
 
2013-04-23 01:20:25 PM  
And yet the conspiritards will believe this was all staged.
 
2013-04-23 01:20:44 PM  

Turfshoe: Clearly the fact that the younger one was a pot smoker created this slippery slope of planting pressure cooker bombs.


And as we all know pressure cooker bombs are just a gateway device to car bombs...  my god, we need to ban pot roasts!
 
2013-04-23 01:21:19 PM  
These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!
 
2013-04-23 01:21:23 PM  
farkin' losers.
 
2013-04-23 01:21:29 PM  

xanadian: Yeah, #11 on that list is really weird.  Why bring a BB gun!??


In case there are any stray cats around.
 
2013-04-23 01:22:21 PM  
Is number 1 'blow people up'?  Because I think that's pretty bizarre.

Rapmaster2000: This is what I was trying to understand after hearing about their capture.  I kept thinking that they shot him in that high speed chase they were involved in.  It doesn't make any sense that you would just go shoot a cop who doesn't even know you're there.  What does that get you?


Fifteen to life.
 
2013-04-23 01:22:41 PM  

Christian Bale: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


After all, how could anyone POSSIBLY find them, in all that crowd and confusion?

//Never private in public
 
2013-04-23 01:23:00 PM  
Hell, even if they actually a cumulative IQ north of 100 and planned a respectable getaway, the very act in of itself only puts unwanted attention on their country of origin and Russia now gets to say "see what we deal, world?" with a huge, human-rights-be-damned smirk on their face.
 
2013-04-23 01:23:33 PM  
Not once does it occur to Mother Jones to ask ... Where they get the money?


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Where'd they get their money?


Dzhokhar, the young brother, is listed as a sophomore student at UMass Dartmouth living in the Pine Dale dormitory. According to Dartmouth's Cost of Attendance data for 2013-2014 the tab starts at $10G and change. Indirect expenses can range from $500 to over $2,000. No mention of costs for cell phones, food, cars and other modern necessities.


Tamerlan was by all accounts, unemployed. His converted wife reportedly works 70/80 hours a week as an in home caregiver in order to make ends meet for their family. His unsuccessful attempt to be a boxer of note (he made one round in the Golden gloves and got croaked)? That takes real money on top of daily and usual costs of living in one of the most expensive cities in America. The Cambridge area Ranks No. 8 Costliest Cities in America. There's coaching fees, gym fees, equipment costs like gloves and headgear which can easily run past $100 each. Good hand wraps are something like $40 and you do not want to cheap out on those. A proper wrap will save you from breaking bones in your hands. Then there's the cost of a proper diet (heavy on protein) and Supplements. Pain relief costs and costs related to healthcare.


Short? It ain't cheap. In fact, it's expensive.


Available information says Tamerlane was married to Katherine Russell and they produced a child. Children are  expensive. In Massachusetts average costs to deliver an infant range from $9,600 to $11,000, a normal birth without complications. According to Family Education website a one child family can expect to expense $11,500 for a newborn ... in the first year.


How'd they pay for that?


Their living space. Expensive. A one bedroom apartment in Watertown ... man, I'm not seeing much less than $1,700. More likely around $2,000. If inside the city limits of Cambridge? More.


Cost to fly to Moscow from Boston ranges from $800 and change to just over $1,100 round trip.


I have not yet seen reports on the guns recovered, make, model etc. But let's assume one handgun each, semi-automatics and in nine millimeter. Speculation in the press says they capped the MIT officer with one gun to get another gun.  Speculation.On the off-market in the Boston area chances are, in this heated market for gun purchases they likely spent at least $500 for each if not a lot more. That's another grand on the low side. Then, ammunition. Golly, this list gets longer each paragraph.


Younger brother Dzhokhar we know had a Honda. Again, for an unemployed student liable for well past $10 grand annually to UMass Dartmouth, how'd he come up with the money for a car? Licensing, tags, insurance? I've not yet seen reports on what, if anything, Tamerlane had some sort of connection with a Mercedes which was in the shop. His? Wife's Her family? But still ... where did the money come from for a Mercedes, repairs, license, insurance, tags .. you know the drill.


You see my point?


Unemployed Tamerlane flew to Russia and spent six months news reports say, as far as we know without employment, and managed not to starve to death. His over-employed wife back home grinding it out to pay the bills. Can you buy a RT ticket to Russia and just take-off including all the attendant costs? Can you spend six months without income in another nation? Not me. Probably not you.


So, where'd the money come from?


Indeed, where did all the money come from that allowed these two young men to do as they have done? Including the expense of making bombs out of $50 pressure cookers? Because what we know so far, they had expenses. Big expenses. And I see no visible means of support.


Mother Jones? What tootsie roll of wisdom do you drop on us?
 
2013-04-23 01:23:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.


That's kind of my take on it too.  If they suddenly both dropped out of sight as soon as the bombings happened, they'd have brought more suspicion on themselves.  However if they went about their regular routines, there would be less reason to think they were involved.  This is all in the absence of video evidence, of course, which seems to have spooked them once it came out.
 
2013-04-23 01:23:48 PM  

CtrlAltDelete: Maybe they're just f*cking stupid.

With few exceptions, was there ever a tendency for murderers to be particularly intelligent?


I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence. You may not agree with one's reasons for the crime but most often - you understand it. You get it.

Someone kills their spouse for the money? Yeah, that makes sense. It's wrong but I can understand the motive.

So far - we haven't been told a motive and their decisions seems unexpected/inconsistent with how we would assume other criminals would behave.
 
2013-04-23 01:23:50 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: These two were a real brain trust.

They found the clothes he wore day-of in his dorm. Wouldn't you get rid of all that stuff?!


Most people who are intelligent, and, most importantly, self-disciplined enough to do that are successful in society, receive benefit from society, and don't feel the need to attack the society.

Timur the Lame was not very intelligent.
 
2013-04-23 01:23:53 PM  
..and, remind me not to post on my phone again. I only missed about five words in that comment.
 
2013-04-23 01:24:46 PM  
12. Use a pressure cooker (which has an incredibly low burst pressure) to build their bomb. I'd be pretty pissed if I got my legs blown off by a bomb, but I'd be even more pissed off getting them blown off by a piece of crap like this.
 
2013-04-23 01:24:47 PM  
Just wait till his purty little mouth gets to PMITA prison, hes gonna get a lot of Cawk meat sammiches.

Yeah yeah rape isnt funny, unless you are being raped by a clown, or raping a clown. Also said rape thrice.
 
2013-04-23 01:24:50 PM  

Christian Bale: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like their "plan" was "get away with it." Then they panicked when the photos were released.

Yep. They thought once the bombs went off, they'd go on with their lives and occasionally laugh about that time they blew people up.


Well, maybe they thought this'd only warrant two stars. Two stars, you can shake off so long as you stay on the run and don't alert Johnny Law.

Three stars, and you're not getting out of that without a bribe or mod.

// video games made him do it
 
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