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(Cracked)   The concert was a cynical attempt to make money off the hippie crowd, and 4 other things that shatter the "peace and love" myth that was Woodstock   (cracked.com) divider line 71
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2013-04-23 01:44:52 PM  
LOLPAGE2LINKMITTER!
 
2013-04-23 01:45:58 PM  
Also: September 13, 2009

Forty years ago, half a million people gathered ...


Strike two, subby...
 
2013-04-23 01:57:18 PM  
For Strike Three, I'm pretty sure this is an old-ass repeat.
 
2013-04-23 01:58:12 PM  
 
2013-04-23 02:04:17 PM  
Oh my god. You're telling me that the biggest rock acts at the time wouldn't give up three days on a summer weekend, the biggest concert going time of the year, and take the stage in front of a million people unless they got paid? Those bastards.

Idealism is fine, but these guys had managers, lawyers, roadies, guitar techs, travel expenses, child support, and drug habits to pay for.
 
2013-04-23 02:19:06 PM  

stoli n coke: Oh my god. You're telling me that the biggest rock acts at the time wouldn't give up three days on a summer weekend, the biggest concert going time of the year, and take the stage in front of a million people unless they got paid? Those bastards.

Idealism is fine, but these guys had managers, lawyers, roadies, guitar techs, travel expenses, child support, and drug habits to pay for.


basically Nickelback beta
 
2013-04-23 02:20:14 PM  
Everything about Woodstock was a lie. Also the idea that everyone was a hippy in the 60s.
 
2013-04-23 02:30:01 PM  
I suppose it's a coincidence that Cracked just reposted this old-ass link on their Facebook feed.
 
2013-04-23 02:31:09 PM  
That's a great summary if VH1's Behind the Music episode of Woodstock that aired 10 years ago.
 
2013-04-23 02:37:43 PM  

stoli n coke: Oh my god. You're telling me that the biggest rock acts at the time wouldn't give up three days on a summer weekend, the biggest concert going time of the year, and take the stage in front of a million people unless they got paid? Those bastards.

Idealism is fine, but these guys had managers, lawyers, roadies, guitar techs, travel expenses, child support, and drug habits to pay for.


But that's frequently the media narrative - Woodstock was this anti-Vietnam, peace-and-love event that was like a pivotal moment in history, not just a load of rock stars getting paid to entertain people.
 
2013-04-23 02:38:35 PM  
Yeah, three people died, but two people were born, so it's only a net loss of one.
 
2013-04-23 02:41:10 PM  

stoli n coke: Oh my god. You're telling me that the biggest rock acts at the time wouldn't give up three days on a summer weekend, the biggest concert going time of the year, and take the stage in front of a million people unless they got paid? Those bastards.

Idealism is fine, but these guys had managers, lawyers, roadies, guitar techs, travel expenses, child support, and drug habits to pay for.


Most musicians generally have two questions: where's the beer, and when do I get paid.

www.wuky.org
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2013-04-23 02:43:23 PM  

Fano: Everything about Woodstock was a lie. Also the idea that everyone was a hippy in the 60s.


Like punk in the UK in the 70s. Punk was a loud musical movement, but if you look at the sales of punk records, you could have added them all together and just the soundtrack to Saturday Night Fever outsold them. Ill-fitting white suits were much bigger.
 
2013-04-23 02:48:24 PM  
There were some truly awesome performances (Richie Havens and Jimi come to mind), but the fact that Sha Na Na was there negates all the good,

/F*ck Sha Na Na
 
2013-04-23 03:01:28 PM  
"Boo.  Bring on Sha Na Na."

Abraham Simpson.
 
2013-04-23 03:04:15 PM  
Someone link to the Slappy the Squirrel episode of Animaniacs where she goes to Woodstock.
I'm too lazy.
 
2013-04-23 03:04:38 PM  
Watched a documentary with some behind-the-scenes Woodstock stuff a few years back. Both Jerry Garcia and Joplin said the only reason they were there was for the money. Neither of them wanted anything to do with the festival beyond that.
 
2013-04-23 03:07:48 PM  
the movie captures a moment in time beautifly.

But basicly it shows a refugee camp.
 
2013-04-23 03:18:48 PM  
stillrealtome!.jpg
 
2013-04-23 03:21:08 PM  
By the time Woodstock rolled around, what we think of as "the 60s" was starting to burn out a bit. The years of excess had taken their toll on most of the musicians there and a certain cynicism was already starting to overtake the idealism. Within a year, Joplin and Hendrix would be dead and the festival at Altamont would put a somber wrap on the decade.

If you want to see a film with a sunnier attitude, back at the beginning of the whole flower power/summer of love scene, watch 'Monterey Pop' from June 1967. Joplin and Hendrix were still virtually unknowns at the time and their performances at Monterey really catapulted them into the big time. Overall the performances at Monterey were much better than those at Woodstock (possibly because the musicians weren't quite as stoned)....Otis Redding really stands out in particular.
 
2013-04-23 03:22:14 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Someone link to the Slappy the Squirrel episode of Animaniacs where she goes to Woodstock.
I'm too lazy.


The whole episode. A&C starts @ 5:25
 
2013-04-23 03:22:25 PM  

SoupJohnB: stillrealtome!.jpg


And also, R.I.P. Richie
 
2013-04-23 03:32:24 PM  
None of this is news if you pay even the slightest attention to the Woodstock retrospectives that hit the magazines and TV every year or two.
 
2013-04-23 03:40:43 PM  

stoli n coke: Oh my god. You're telling me that the biggest rock acts at the time wouldn't give up three days on a summer weekend, the biggest concert going time of the year, and take the stage in front of a million people unless they got paid? Those bastards.

Idealism is fine, but these guys had managers, lawyers, roadies, guitar techs, travel expenses, child support, and drug habits to pay for.


Rule #1 of the music business, never trust people in the music business
 
2013-04-23 03:41:01 PM  
It must also be noted, that despite their claims otherwise, not every boomer attended the concert.
 
2013-04-23 03:42:04 PM  
The main problem was people used to everything going well.

If you're parking 20 miles from the event and hiking you damn well better have enough supplies for a three day hike. If a majority of those people had carried in supplies like they were camping for three days it would have gone a lot better.

And you're supposed to be hippies. Why not fast?
 
2013-04-23 03:48:17 PM  

D135: stoli n coke: Oh my god. You're telling me that the biggest rock acts at the time wouldn't give up three days on a summer weekend, the biggest concert going time of the year, and take the stage in front of a million people unless they got paid? Those bastards.

Idealism is fine, but these guys had managers, lawyers, roadies, guitar techs, travel expenses, child support, and drug habits to pay for.

Rule #1 of the music business, never trust people in the music business



Exactly. As shady as the promoters were portrayed in TFA, I'm not surprised at all that Jerry Garcia asked for his money up front.

To the performers, it was not some landmark piece of music history. That came after boomers started lionizing going to a concert like they were curing cancer. To the performers at the time, it was just another gig.
 
2013-04-23 03:48:28 PM  

NotoriousW.O.P: Yeah, three people died, but two people were born, so it's only a net loss of one.


And John Sebastian is finally heard from; how are those Time-Life cds selling these days?
 
2013-04-23 03:50:36 PM  
The OTHER big lesson was learned later at Altamont: You get the type of Security that you pay for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qTKsylrpsg
 
2013-04-23 03:55:56 PM  

Fano: Everything about Woodstock was a lie. Also the idea that everyone was a hippy in the 60s.


Oh, I'm sure there was a good number of Douglas Neidermeyer and Chip Diller types in the 60's as well.

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They grew up to be the right wing republicans of today, still bitter as Hell that the "free love" hippie chicks thought they were too skeevy to have sex with.
 
2013-04-23 04:01:53 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The OTHER big lesson was learned later at Altamont: You get the type of Security that you pay for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qTKsylrpsg


Yeah, actually the guy was trying to get on stage, was rejected, pulled a gun and pointed it at the stage  a hells angel guard then stabbed the dude to death.

So, you bring a gun to knife fight, you pull your weapon first, and then get stabbed.  It is your own fault.

I guess the guy should have let a methed up junkie start shooting people.
 
2013-04-23 04:11:38 PM  
Hawk24: By the time Woodstock rolled around, what we think of as "the 60s" was starting to burn out a bit. The years of excess had taken their toll on most of the musicians there and a certain cynicism was already starting to overtake the idealism

1968 gave the hippie/youth movement a good kicking. The riots in various cities, the cop riot at the Democratic convention in Chicago, all the universities that had their offices taken over by angry students, the Tet Offensive, Walter Cronkite expressing doubt about continuing in Vietnam etc.

And that's just America, things were hot all over the world.

I had hippie older sisters as a 9 year old in 1969, Woodstock never really registered with us out here in Los Angeles until the movie came out in 1970. You know what scared the shiat out of us and said "Um, hippies aren't all about the peace and love and organic farming"?

userserve-ak.last.fm

8/8-9/69: The Manson family slaughters Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Wojciech Frykowski and Abigail Folger
8/10/69: Leno and Rosemary LaBianca slaughtered
8/15-18: Woodstock

Peace and love my ass.

Woodstock did change the music business, it pointed out to the money people that there was a lot to be made from The Kids. Still, there's some great performances in the film: Richie Havens, The Who, Santana, Joe Cocker, Alvin Lee, CS&N.
 
2013-04-23 04:13:10 PM  

stoli n coke: Oh my god. You're telling me that the biggest rock acts at the time wouldn't give up three days on a summer weekend, the biggest concert going time of the year, and take the stage in front of a million people unless they got paid? Those bastards.

Idealism is fine, but these guys had managers, lawyers, roadies, guitar techs, travel expenses, child support, and drug habits to pay for.


I've always loved that, other than performing onstage, none of the musicians ever seemed to talk about their experience there.  At least to my knowledge and I'm no expert, but it always seems more like the artists got in, did their albeit memorable stints on stage and got the hell outta Dodge, possibly getting head from a groupie on the way.  It was just another gig, probably more memorable for most of the artists being able to say "I played after X or on the same stage as Y," than anything else.

Frankly, had I been alive at the time I would've preferred to be at RFK's Martin Luther King Jr. has been assassinated speech (look it up).  Or witnessed any of the other things that happened, and actually mattered the year before.

But then again, I'm a politics junkie, not really a music aficionado.
 
2013-04-23 04:15:26 PM  

theflatline: TV's Vinnie: The OTHER big lesson was learned later at Altamont: You get the type of Security that you pay for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qTKsylrpsg

Yeah, actually the guy was trying to get on stage, was rejected, pulled a gun and pointed it at the stage  a hells angel guard then stabbed the dude to death.

So, you bring a gun to knife fight, you pull your weapon first, and then get stabbed.  It is your own fault.

I guess the guy should have let a methed up junkie start shooting people.


www.fullinbloommusic.com
"Damn. We should have hired those guys."

Seriously, though. How does Woodstock, a chaotic clusterfark that ended in 3 deaths, get regarded fondly as some kind of landmark in musical and historical significance, and Altamont, where the only person who died was a methed-out lunatic with a gun,  is regarded as the show that killed the 60s?
 
2013-04-23 04:15:43 PM  
It's a damned fine thing fark loves to read four year old Cracked articles.
 
2013-04-23 04:20:51 PM  

stoli n coke: theflatline: TV's Vinnie: The OTHER big lesson was learned later at Altamont: You get the type of Security that you pay for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qTKsylrpsg

Yeah, actually the guy was trying to get on stage, was rejected, pulled a gun and pointed it at the stage  a hells angel guard then stabbed the dude to death.

So, you bring a gun to knife fight, you pull your weapon first, and then get stabbed.  It is your own fault.

I guess the guy should have let a methed up junkie start shooting people.

[www.fullinbloommusic.com image 320x319]
"Damn. We should have hired those guys."

Seriously, though. How does Woodstock, a chaotic clusterfark that ended in 3 deaths, get regarded fondly as some kind of landmark in musical and historical significance, and Altamont, where the only person who died was a methed-out lunatic with a gun,  is regarded as the show that killed the 60s?


My father was there, and hitchiked to San Fran from Louisiana, did the entire hippie trip.

After living in the Haight he went back to New Orleans and got his degree in Journalism.

His words to me "Everyone was selfish interested in getting high and farking each other, there was nothing wrong with that, it was an excuse for woman to be whores and people to have question hygiene, there were no intellectual pursuits, just debauchery under the guise of self exploration, and I can debauch without having to make an excuse for it and I do not have to smell like dirty ass while doing it."
 
2013-04-23 04:21:05 PM  

Henry Holland: Hawk24: By the time Woodstock rolled around, what we think of as "the 60s" was starting to burn out a bit. The years of excess had taken their toll on most of the musicians there and a certain cynicism was already starting to overtake the idealism

1968 gave the hippie/youth movement a good kicking. The riots in various cities, the cop riot at the Democratic convention in Chicago, all the universities that had their offices taken over by angry students, the Tet Offensive, Walter Cronkite expressing doubt about continuing in Vietnam etc.

And that's just America, things were hot all over the world.

I had hippie older sisters as a 9 year old in 1969, Woodstock never really registered with us out here in Los Angeles until the movie came out in 1970. You know what scared the shiat out of us and said "Um, hippies aren't all about the peace and love and organic farming"?

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 400x296]

8/8-9/69: The Manson family slaughters Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Wojciech Frykowski and Abigail Folger
8/10/69: Leno and Rosemary LaBianca slaughtered
8/15-18: Woodstock



Throw in Apollo 11 landing on the moon on July 20, and you have one helluva 4 week period.
 
2013-04-23 04:23:08 PM  

theflatline: TV's Vinnie: The OTHER big lesson was learned later at Altamont: You get the type of Security that you pay for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qTKsylrpsg

Yeah, actually the guy was trying to get on stage, was rejected, pulled a gun and pointed it at the stage  a hells angel guard then stabbed the dude to death.

So, you bring a gun to knife fight, you pull your weapon first, and then get stabbed.  It is your own fault.

I guess the guy should have let a methed up junkie start shooting people.


If you swallow the Hell Angels version, go ahead.
 
2013-04-23 04:26:58 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: stoli n coke: Oh my god. You're telling me that the biggest rock acts at the time wouldn't give up three days on a summer weekend, the biggest concert going time of the year, and take the stage in front of a million people unless they got paid? Those bastards.

Idealism is fine, but these guys had managers, lawyers, roadies, guitar techs, travel expenses, child support, and drug habits to pay for.

Most musicians generally have two questions: where's the beer, and when do I get paid.

[www.wuky.org image 406x595]
/hot


If we had all been living in California, none of this would've happened
 
2013-04-23 04:48:57 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: It must also be noted, that despite their claims otherwise, not every boomer attended the concert.


of the hundreds of boomer age people i've met over the years 2 stated they were there. but there really wasn't that many people born from 1946 to 1964 in america.
 
2013-04-23 05:00:15 PM  

Henry Holland: 8/8-9/69: The Manson family slaughters Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Wojciech Frykowski and Abigail Folger
8/10/69: Leno and Rosemary LaBianca slaughtered
8/15-18: Woodstock

Peace and love my ass.


True, but the bust of the Manson family (according to Wikipedia, sorry) didn't happen until December 1st.  The Manson Family killed the hippie movement but it didn't help that Woodstock was a muddy mess of debauchery beforehand, or at the very least, portrayed as such.  Throw in the national pride of the moon landing at the time and the whole counterculture movement got heavily damaged.  Hell, you could argue that the above is why Vietnam lasted so much longer than it needed to.

I was about the same age you were during Manson when we had the Branch Davidians/Waco, I don't remember anyone arguing a comparison at the time but if they remembered Manson it would explain the decisions made by law enforcement at the time.  I was in middle school and I remember a sixth grade teacher (the year before I think) saying that her biggest fear was that Charles Manson would ever get out/escape from prison.  Never made sense to me, but it was like she though he could control other people's minds or something.
 
2013-04-23 05:21:38 PM  
theflatline: His words to me "Everyone was selfish interested in getting high and farking each other, there was nothing wrong with that, it was an excuse for woman to be whores and people to have question hygiene, there were no intellectual pursuits, just debauchery under the guise of self exploration, and I can debauch without having to make an excuse for it and I do not have to smell like dirty ass while doing it."

That's a pretty good description of it. I was a kid in the late sixties, and I remember the hippies. Their ranks attracted every kind of conman going--fake musicians was a big one, as was people wearing surplus army jackets claiming to have been in Vietnam. Everytime there was some kind of picnic or school thing, here came the hippies, begging spare change and annoying everyone. They stole everything--flowers out of your yard to sell downtown, the veggies out of your garden--and they smelled. Think of someone with super long hair that hasn't taken a bath or brushed their teeth in two weeks while smoking weed the entire time. It wasn't long before everyone was hostile towards them--not for their politics, but for their hygiene.

And they ate the ungodliest stuff. I remember the old lady across the road used to put out kibble for her cats and they were stealing that to eat and the other time where someone threw out a bunch of dented cans of dog food outside a supermarket and a bunch of them built a fire and cooked up a stew out of that and stuff from the dumpster. YUCK.

/And now they are these American cultural icons. What a bunch of crapola.
 
2013-04-23 05:34:23 PM  
Wait'll people hear that the punk rock movement was just some fashion designer's racket to sell clothes.

coldfrontmag.com

I think one of the most potato attempts to cash in on a cultural phenomenon was when the "grunge" period occurred. There were fashion designers buying old plaid flannel shirts for a dollar at a Goodwill, taking it apart and copying the pattern, and then reproducing SILK PLAID versions of the same shirt, selling at $500 a pop.
 
2013-04-23 05:43:48 PM  

I Like Bread: I suppose it's a coincidence that Cracked just reposted this old-ass link on their Facebook feed.


Absolutely.  Nothing fishy about it at all.
 
2013-04-23 05:57:38 PM  
And the money men sold the rights to the Woodstock movie for exactly what the had put up for the festival in order not to lose any money.

Paramount pictures made millions from the film.
 
2013-04-23 06:58:46 PM  

I Like Bread: I suppose it's a coincidence that Cracked just reposted this old-ass link on their Facebook feed.


It's the day after a Woodstock performer died, makes sense to them I suppose.
 
2013-04-23 07:06:17 PM  
"History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshiat, but even without being sure of "history" it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time-and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights-or very early mornings-when I left prevail. There was no point in fighting-on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave....

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark-that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."

~Hunter S. Thompson
 
2013-04-23 07:14:41 PM  

Henry Holland: Peace and love my ass


In the United States, "Sugar, Sugar" was [10] meaning it sold 1 million units (the gold threshold was later lowered to 500,000).[11] The single also topped the 1969 Billboard Year-End chart.
 
2013-04-23 07:45:18 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Wait'll people hear that the punk rock movement was just some fashion designer's racket to sell clothes.


Chicken before the egg. McLaren visited NY in the early 70's, saw what was happening there and figured he could put his own spin on things and make money back in the UK
 
2013-04-23 08:13:22 PM  

theflatline: stoli n coke: theflatline: TV's Vinnie: The OTHER big lesson was learned later at Altamont: You get the type of Security that you pay for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qTKsylrpsg

Yeah, actually the guy was trying to get on stage, was rejected, pulled a gun and pointed it at the stage  a hells angel guard then stabbed the dude to death.

So, you bring a gun to knife fight, you pull your weapon first, and then get stabbed.  It is your own fault.

I guess the guy should have let a methed up junkie start shooting people.

[www.fullinbloommusic.com image 320x319]
"Damn. We should have hired those guys."

Seriously, though. How does Woodstock, a chaotic clusterfark that ended in 3 deaths, get regarded fondly as some kind of landmark in musical and historical significance, and Altamont, where the only person who died was a methed-out lunatic with a gun,  is regarded as the show that killed the 60s?

My father was there, and hitchiked to San Fran from Louisiana, did the entire hippie trip.

After living in the Haight he went back to New Orleans and got his degree in Journalism.

His words to me "Everyone was selfish interested in getting high and farking each other, there was nothing wrong with that, it was an excuse for woman to be whores and people to have question hygiene, there were no intellectual pursuits, just debauchery under the guise of self exploration, and I can debauch without having to make an excuse for it and I do not have to smell like dirty ass while doing it."


Sounds like my freshman year in college.
 
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