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2013-04-23 12:57:34 PM
Shouldn't existing anti-hacking laws already prevent this?
 
2013-04-23 12:58:23 PM
If this makes it through, no way Obama signs it.
 
2013-04-23 01:00:49 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If this makes it through, no way Obama signs it.


Or I resolve to never consider working for any employer that thought it was good idea to ask in the first place.
 
2013-04-23 01:01:32 PM
Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh
 
2013-04-23 01:03:22 PM

Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh


That's what I've got. Granted I haven't used either in about 2 years, but if need be I can always point them to my professional one.

/Would not work for a company that demanded login information for anything
 
2013-04-23 01:03:48 PM

Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh


Would there be anything from stopping them from demanding access to all social media accounts?
 
2013-04-23 01:05:22 PM
And what if I don't have a Facebook page? Am I disqualified for not falling into that pit?
 
2013-04-23 01:05:41 PM

Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh

Would there be anything from stopping them from demanding access to all social media accounts?


How would they know you have more than one?
 
2013-04-23 01:07:16 PM
I can see doing this for employees of the CIA, FBI and other government agencies under certain circumstances, but there's no farking way this should apply to all employers.
 
2013-04-23 01:08:21 PM

scottydoesntknow: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh

Would there be anything from stopping them from demanding access to all social media accounts?

How would they know you have more than one?


If a company has that policy there's a good chance the management have more than one account as well..  Whether they could find your other one or not is the question.
 
2013-04-23 01:08:39 PM
I one felt bad because I turned down a job in the excited states because "I don't want to live in a police state".
 
2013-04-23 01:14:12 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I can see doing this for employees of the CIA, FBI and other government agencies under certain circumstances, but there's no farking way this should apply to all employers.

I kind of assume the 3 letter agencies don't really need my login information to find out what's in it.
 
2013-04-23 01:14:58 PM

Klippoklondike: scottydoesntknow: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh

Would there be anything from stopping them from demanding access to all social media accounts?

How would they know you have more than one?

If a company has that policy there's a good chance the management have more than one account as well..  Whether they could find your other one or not is the question.


How is that not the question? If they can't find your second/personal page, then how can they demand access to it? They can't just assume you have more than one. My professional page is tied to my e-mail on my resume, that's how 99% of employers find employee's pages is by their e-mail. My personal page is tied to my alternate e-mail and is not searchable.

I have no problem with a company searching you on facebook prior to hiring. If you're too dumb to lock your shiat up, then that's your fault. We had one lady interviewing for a position with our company. I decided to run her e-mail through facebook to see what came up. Turns out she was running a sex toy business through facebook and craigslist. Pretty weird.
 
2013-04-23 01:17:45 PM
The law doesn't say that employers are required to ask, just that it's not illegal for them to ask. I wonder what else it wouldn't be illegal for them to ask for. Would it be illegal for them to ask for interviews with my friends? Lists of magazines I subscribe to? Copies of any second-class mail I receive? Photographs of every room of my house?

Employers could right now ask for any of those things and I don't think it would be illegal, just more expensive for the employer. This whole trend of employers requesting social networking passwords is just convenience - they want to have more control over your personal life and thanks to social networks, they can without a large amount of investment.

Remember, though, any time employees band together to try and balance the power of management, it's socialism. When management exerts essentially complete power over the employer-employee relationship, it's just good business.
 
2013-04-23 01:22:14 PM

scottydoesntknow: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh

Would there be anything from stopping them from demanding access to all social media accounts?
How would they know you have more than one?


People have separate email accounts. Business and personal. (or, the smarter people do)

If any employer starts digging further than that, I would have to reconsider working for them.
 
2013-04-23 01:24:54 PM
I have already prepared a nine-word response to anybody who expects me to hand over my private passwords:

"You and your skank family can all get farked."

That ought to do the trick.
 
2013-04-23 01:32:10 PM
Well, color me surprised, I thought Republicans were in favor of privacy and small government.
 
2013-04-23 01:36:25 PM

minoridiot: Well, color me surprised, I thought Republicans were in favor of privacy and small government.


Privacy from the government. Corporations should be allowed to do whatever they want.
 
2013-04-23 01:37:31 PM
My employer CAN demand that and I CAN demand they kiss my red ass.
 
2013-04-23 01:45:10 PM

impaler: I kind of assume the 3 letter agencies don't really need my login information to find out what's in it.


No way, my password is 8 characters and uses a capital letter and special character.
 
2013-04-23 01:51:55 PM
Meh, I don't have twitter and haven't used Facebook in years. All my FB friends are would be actors. Have at it.
 
2013-04-23 01:52:16 PM
I'm not worried by this development at all.
 
2013-04-23 01:56:26 PM

simplicimus: Meh, I don't have twitter and haven't used Facebook in years. All my FB friends are would be actors. Have at it.


HR: "I've found Mr. simplicimus' facebook page. Apparently all of his friends are wannabe actors."
Manager: "Hmmm, he seems to surround himself with failure. Let's move to the next candidate."
 
2013-04-23 01:57:34 PM
I would probably just tell them some bullshiate password that makes everyone uncomfortable like "willwork4meatus."
 
2013-04-23 02:02:29 PM

scottydoesntknow: simplicimus: Meh, I don't have twitter and haven't used Facebook in years. All my FB friends are would be actors. Have at it.

HR: "I've found Mr. simplicimus' facebook page. Apparently all of his friends are wannabe actors."
Manager: "Hmmm, he seems to surround himself with failure. Let's move to the next candidate."


Or people who are unreasonably optimistic. Some of them are quite good, some are hallucinating. Having a goal, reasonable or not, is not altogether bad.
 
2013-04-23 02:04:09 PM
No, it doesn't, subby.
 
2013-04-23 02:08:32 PM

Tr0mBoNe: I one felt bad because I turned down a job in the excited states because "I don't want to live in a police state".


Did you turn the job down, or did they not hire you for having a terrible grasp of English?
 
2013-04-23 02:10:21 PM
They'll take my Friendster and Myspace login information away from my cold, dead, liver-spotted, arthritis-ridden hands.
 
2013-04-23 02:12:21 PM
Another win for the no facebook club.
 
2013-04-23 02:15:46 PM
Lol, I had to make a FB page because some application websites wouldn't let you apply if you left it blank. They never thought that someone this day in age wouldn't have one. Whole thing is silly.
 
2013-04-23 02:16:25 PM
Is this where I go to act all smug about not having a Facebook or Twitter account?
 
2013-04-23 02:16:42 PM

impaler: Shouldn't existing anti-hacking laws already prevent this?

I

thought the facebook terms of service prohibited this.

Employer:  Give us zee password
Me: That goes against my contract with facebook. Are you asking me to breach a contract and commit an illegal act?
Employer: Ok,  you are fired
Me: Are you firing me for refusing to commit a crime?  I am going to need your lawyers phone number.
 
2013-04-23 02:17:02 PM
If a company asks for this, you are basically working for assholes. If you can you should run away. Not just because of your Facebook, but because it's a symptom of all the other shiat that they'll lay on you. If not, stay for as long as you need to before quitting.
 
2013-04-23 02:17:18 PM
Sure, let me write that down for you.
Login: You can
Password: Go fark yourself
 
2013-04-23 02:17:20 PM

Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh


You know that they can search for you by name, right?
 
2013-04-23 02:18:06 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If this makes it through, no way Obama signs it.



you got that right.
 
2013-04-23 02:18:24 PM
That's why I use Google+.  Nobody even knows about it, much less cares about the account.

/doesn't really use Google+
 
2013-04-23 02:18:52 PM
The best reaction is just to walk out of the interview.
 
2013-04-23 02:19:23 PM

scottydoesntknow: Klippoklondike: Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh

Would there be anything from stopping them from demanding access to all social media accounts?

How would they know you have more than one?


They probably wouldnt but it could certainly be a condition of employment that simply having an account for which you have not surrendered the password is grounds for termination.  So you're two years into a career and they find out you have a "secret life" facebook account and you're handed a box and a GTFO letter.

Yes, everyone else working there should pack-up and quit but times being what they are far too many people will put up with almost unlimited shiat just to keep their jobs.
 
2013-04-23 02:21:50 PM

Lord Dimwit: The law doesn't say that employers are required to ask, just that it's not illegal for them to ask. I wonder what else it wouldn't be illegal for them to ask for. Would it be illegal for them to ask for interviews with my friends? Lists of magazines I subscribe to? Copies of any second-class mail I receive? Photographs of every room of my house?

Employers could right now ask for any of those things and I don't think it would be illegal, just more expensive for the employer. This whole trend of employers requesting social networking passwords is just convenience - they want to have more control over your personal life and thanks to social networks, they can without a large amount of investment.

Remember, though, any time employees band together to try and balance the power of management, it's socialism. When management exerts essentially complete power over the employer-employee relationship, it's just good business.


Leads to an interesting question. There are certain things they can't ask you. Like "are you married?" So if my Facebook page has a relationship status aren't they violating the law?
 
2013-04-23 02:22:26 PM

bdub77: Tr0mBoNe: I one felt bad because I turned down a job in the excited states because "I don't want to live in a police state".

Did you turn the job down, or did they not hire you for having a terrible grasp of English?


They didn't hire me because I insulted their country by pointing out the obvious. It's not my fault they were bitter because HR drone is as far as a liberal arts degree gets you.
 
2013-04-23 02:22:27 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If this makes it through, no way Obama signs it.


Do you really believe that?  Obama signed the Patriot Act renewal, and the Monsanto Protection Act...what makes you think he won't sign CISPA?
 
2013-04-23 02:22:51 PM
No they can't. Not in my state. Suckers.
 
2013-04-23 02:23:08 PM

Godscrack: Just make another Facebook page for employer use. duh



problem is, they won't stop there.  it will set a precedent and there will be further encroachments on our Freedoms down the road.   the only folks who will be Free will be rich folks.  they don't need jobs.
 
2013-04-23 02:23:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If this makes it through, no way Obama signs it.


You think he won't sign it? You have more faith in him than I do.
 
2013-04-23 02:23:54 PM
And what is to stop me from lying about what forums I do and do not post on?

Fark, Minecraft forums, An indie games site, and a couple of webcomics with comments enabled. I am clearly an exciting individual.
 
2013-04-23 02:24:03 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I can see doing this for employees of the CIA, FBI and other government agencies under certain circumstances, but there's no farking way this should apply to all employers.



son, are you trying to destroy Freedom?      lol
 
2013-04-23 02:24:14 PM
I'm sorry, but my password is stored on my browser's auto-complete list because I can never remember it.  Can't help ya.
 
2013-04-23 02:24:24 PM

I Like Bread: The best reaction is just to walk out of the interview.


What do you do if your employer of 20 years for it? Good jobs aren't exactly growing on trees for most people these days.
 
2013-04-23 02:24:51 PM

SpectroBoy: I thought the facebook terms of service prohibited this.


Yeah, if I'm ever asked for my Facebook account, I just intend to point them to Facebook's terms of service. I do believe that demanding such information is grounds for being suspended or banned from Facebook. Which the company probably has a presence on.

The moral of the story here is that I like revenge.
 
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