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(ABC)   Police have readied tear gas, a "battery" or water cannons and "legions" of riot police to prepare for the expected response to today's vote to legalize gay marriage in ...France? Really France? what happened to you? You used to be so cool   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 180
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2013-04-23 09:56:38 AM  
You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts.
 
2013-04-23 09:57:37 AM  
In recent weeks, violent attacks against gay couples have spiked and some legislators have received threats - including one who got a gunpowder-filled envelope on Monday.

Emptied from a flintlock duelling pistol? Are they planning on going to the barricades if this passes?
 
2013-04-23 09:58:43 AM  
As as I said in a related thread yesterday, I never would have thought France would be so against gay marriage. I guess France is far more socially conservative on a domestic level than I thought.
 
2013-04-23 10:01:09 AM  
Weird, it's almost like Europeans aren't what Americans stereotype them as.
 
2013-04-23 10:02:58 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Weird, it's almost like Europeans aren't what Americans stereotype them as.


Yeah. You know those Western Europeans, so conservative.
 
2013-04-23 10:05:34 AM  

Cythraul: As as I said in a related thread yesterday, I never would have thought France would be so against gay marriage. I guess France is far more socially conservative on a domestic level than I thought.


Is France heavily populated by Christians or Muslims?  I mean, I know Paris has a diverse population, but what about the rest of the country?
 
2013-04-23 10:06:11 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Weird, it's almost like Europeans aren't what Americans stereotype them as.


You may not rmemebr the Clinton Years but at the Time I recall French pundit after Pundit rolling its eyes at America because we were such uptight moralists that we impeached a president for getting a BJ from an intern (which, admittedly, was beyond stupid).  In much more progressive and cosmopolitan France, they assured us, such things would NEVER happen.  People were far more blase about matters of private conduct and morals,  they said.  Hell, their last president had a mistress he openly took to state dinners they told us, and nobody batted an eye...oh and our cheeses and wines sucked.
 
2013-04-23 10:08:34 AM  

raerae1980: Cythraul: As as I said in a related thread yesterday, I never would have thought France would be so against gay marriage. I guess France is far more socially conservative on a domestic level than I thought.

Is France heavily populated by Christians or Muslims?  I mean, I know Paris has a diverse population, but what about the rest of the country?


I am ignorant of France's demographics. I have heard that they have a noticeable Muslim population, and that racism towards Middle Eastern and African immigrants to France has caused riots in Paris in the past.

However, I think most of France's native population is Catholic. I'll try to find some statistics.
 
2013-04-23 10:10:07 AM  

Cythraul: As as I said in a related thread yesterday, I never would have thought France would be so against gay marriage. I guess France is far more socially conservative on a domestic level than I thought.


Which is odd given their general acceptance of infidelity in marriage. But the fact that the measure is even up for a vote means there must be a significant segment of society that supports it.
 
2013-04-23 10:10:23 AM  
From Wiki: France has not collected religious or ethnic data in its censuses since the beginning of the Third Republic, but the country's predominant faith has been Roman Catholicism since the early Middle Ages. Church attendance is fairly low, however, and the proportion of the population that is not religious has grown over the past century.

What, the, faaaark?
 
2013-04-23 10:12:27 AM  
France was *NEVER* cool.
 
2013-04-23 10:13:00 AM  
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Et il commence
 
2013-04-23 10:13:32 AM  

Cythraul: From Wiki: France has not collected religious or ethnic data in its censuses since the beginning of the Third Republic, but the country's predominant faith has been Roman Catholicism since the early Middle Ages. Church attendance is fairly low, however, and the proportion of the population that is not religious has grown over the past century.

What, the, faaaark?


Sounds like this guy I heard about in school...something about a third "Reich" or something...
 
2013-04-23 10:19:10 AM  

dittybopper: France was *NEVER* cool.

 
2013-04-23 10:20:40 AM  
Are you kidding?  France is riot central.

Wait until the Algerian homosexuals get wind of this, there will be hell to pay.
 
2013-04-23 10:30:56 AM  

Cythraul: I am ignorant of France's demographics. I have heard that they have a noticeable Muslim population, and that racism towards Middle Eastern and African immigrants to France has caused riots in Paris in the past.

However, I think most of France's native population is Catholic. I'll try to find some statistics.


If France is like other western European countries, the country is very Catholic on paper but will have astonishingly low participation rates (compared to the US). If the authorities are concerned about religion, I would guess they're more concerned about Muslim immigrants than the native French Catholics. Not only that, but France has been somewhat inhospitable to Islamic ideals.
 
2013-04-23 10:36:22 AM  

miss diminutive: In recent weeks, violent attacks against gay couples have spiked and some legislators have received threats - including one who got a gunpowder-filled envelope on Monday.

Emptied from a flintlock duelling pistol? Are they planning on going to the barricades if this passes?


Well, they couldn't get a guillotine in the envelope
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-23 10:37:35 AM  
Every country has it's own backward people.  You don't see it there so much because rural people don't have disproportionate political power like they do here.
 
2013-04-23 10:38:37 AM  

Magorn: You may not rmemebr the Clinton Years but at the Time I recall French pundit after Pundit rolling its eyes at America because we were such uptight moralists that we impeached a president for getting a BJ from an intern (which, admittedly, was beyond stupid).


I remember the Clinton years vividly.
The French do expect men in power to act that way, and there is a touch of chauvinism involved there.
They often express a philosophical stance on infidelity publicly, but don't think that if you cheat on your French wife, she's not going to leave your ass.

Cythraul: Yeah. You know those Western Europeans, so conservative.


Does Italy count? I remember reading something about an American girl on trial there, the prosecution leaked her sexual history to the public to shame her.

Has nobody every accused the British of being prudes?

Look, I mean, there are cultural differences, obviously.
I'm saying Americans sometimes see a little glimpse of an issue where one Western European culture is more liberal than American culture, and then decide all of Western Europe is whatever socially liberal ideal they think it should be, on all issues, especially when it comes to sex. And it's not the case. Europe is often (not always, not saying it's super-applicable, but often) horribly worse than America.
 
2013-04-23 10:39:36 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: miss diminutive: In recent weeks, violent attacks against gay couples have spiked and some legislators have received threats - including one who got a gunpowder-filled envelope on Monday.

Emptied from a flintlock duelling pistol? Are they planning on going to the barricades if this passes?

Well, they couldn't get a guillotine in the envelope


www.dreadwilliam.com

Sure they could!
 
2013-04-23 10:39:41 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: miss diminutive: In recent weeks, violent attacks against gay couples have spiked and some legislators have received threats - including one who got a gunpowder-filled envelope on Monday.

Emptied from a flintlock duelling pistol? Are they planning on going to the barricades if this passes?

Well, they couldn't get a guillotine in the envelope


www.dreadwilliam.com

Zhey didn't try very 'ard, eh mon ami?
 
2013-04-23 10:41:21 AM  
Le Pen. 'Nuff said.
 
2013-04-23 10:41:30 AM  

Cythraul: [www.dreadwilliam.com image 570x259]


Five seconds!?

*shakes tiny, envelope-sized fist*
 
2013-04-23 10:42:27 AM  
img209.imageshack.us

Reports say police are prepared for battle.
 
2013-04-23 10:45:20 AM  

vpb: Every country has it's own backward people.  You don't see it there so much because rural people don't have disproportionate political power like they do here.

Legalizing gay marriage was one of President Francois Hollande's campaign promises. Polls have shown a narrow majority of French favor allowing such unions, though the support weakens when questions about adoption and conception of children come into play.

http://news.yahoo.com/gay-marriage-opponents-demonstrate-paris-16342 10 92.html

This is in Paris BTW
i37.tinypic.com
i36.tinypic.com

//supports the rights of gays and lesbians to marry
 
2013-04-23 10:45:55 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Look, I mean, there are cultural differences, obviously.
I'm saying Americans sometimes see a little glimpse of an issue where one Western European culture is more liberal than American culture, and then decide all of Western Europe is whatever socially liberal ideal they think it should be, on all issues, especially when it comes to sex. And it's not the case. Europe is often (not always, not saying it's super-applicable, but often) horribly worse than America.


I definitely agree on things such as immigration that many Western European nations can be very conservative. I remember the Swiss passing a law a few years ago that prevented Muslim immigrants there from being able to construct minarets on their mosques. They passed the law because they didn't want their cities to start looking less 'Swiss.'

But I would say compared to the U.S., they have earned their reputation for being more socially liberal, in general.
 
2013-04-23 10:46:09 AM  

ginandbacon: Le Pen. 'Nuff said.



Yeah, that Frigide Barjot woman mentioned in the article is a big friend of that family.
 
2013-04-23 10:46:35 AM  

miss diminutive: Cythraul: [www.dreadwilliam.com image 570x259]

Five seconds!?

*shakes tiny, envelope-sized fist*


Ah hah!
 
2013-04-23 10:47:27 AM  

Godscrack: Reports say police are prepared for battle.


(I have "change images to links" option selected so I have to click to view pics)

I was expecting a picture of some policemen holding up a white flag.
 
2013-04-23 10:47:42 AM  

vpb: Every country has it's own backward people.  You don't see it there so much because rural people don't have disproportionate political power like they do here.


Yes, the bankers and financiers of Wall Street, who own Washington, are clearly rural people who have disproportionate political power.
 
2013-04-23 10:48:42 AM  

Sybarite: ginandbacon: Le Pen. 'Nuff said.


Yeah, that Frigide Barjot woman mentioned in the article is a big friend of that family.


I'm sorry but that name cracked me up. I couldn't help it. I barked and scared le chien.
 
2013-04-23 10:54:33 AM  

Cythraul: But I would say compared to the U.S., they have earned their reputation for being more socially liberal, in general.


"In general" covers a lot.

They're certainly more liberal when it comes to things like benefits for the poor and unemployed.

Things relating to sexuality, gender equality, etc vary by region/country and by issue.

In the US you hear a lot of biatching from bible thumpers, etc.
But if you look at actual popular culture, other than nudity on over-the-air TV, IMO we're not as prudish as we make ourselves out to be.

Although GoT didn't have any boobage this week. What's up with that?
 
2013-04-23 10:58:16 AM  

Fark It: Yes, the bankers and financiers of Wall Street, who own Washington, are clearly rural people who have disproportionate political power.


The banks mostly stay out of social issues, but those issues still get action in congress (and used in campaigns).

I think he's talking about this:
i34.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-23 10:58:23 AM  
i'd like to believe that its not that the french are being moralistic jerks who hate gays... rather, they just love protesting and not having to go to work because of protests.
 
2013-04-23 10:59:40 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Although GoT didn't have any boobage this week. What's up with that?


Ulgh. They've ridden the appreciative-to-corny line on their level of boobage too many times. I'm fine with a couple of GoT episodes here and there without ta tas.
 
2013-04-23 11:06:38 AM  
I heard that all the girls there do the Hula Hula dance.
 
2013-04-23 11:06:46 AM  
they know they cant afford it.
 
2013-04-23 11:07:24 AM  

kbronsito: i'd like to believe that its not that the french are being moralistic jerks who hate gays... rather, they just love protesting and not having to go to work because of protests.


seconded
 
2013-04-23 11:08:35 AM  

Godscrack: [img209.imageshack.us image 510x641]

Reports say police are prepared for battle.


Bloody North Koreans.
 
2013-04-23 11:09:28 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: kbronsito: i'd like to believe that its not that the french are being moralistic jerks who hate gays... rather, they just love protesting and not having to go to work because of protests.

seconded


Are people allowed to miss work to protest in France without any penalty from their employer?
 
2013-04-23 11:09:32 AM  
France used to be cool. Then BAM! Along came Napoleon.
 
2013-04-23 11:09:36 AM  
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Uhh. Nooooo.  No.  Meester France no cool.
 
2013-04-23 11:10:10 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Fark It: Yes, the bankers and financiers of Wall Street, who own Washington, are clearly rural people who have disproportionate political power.

The banks mostly stay out of social issues, but those issues still get action in congress (and used in campaigns).

I think he's talking about this:
[i34.tinypic.com image 640x493]


And yet the Senate, where all states get an equal say, is the more moderate House.  Funny how that works.
 
2013-04-23 11:12:13 AM  
Um... subby?  I hate to break it to you, but France has been barely out of the Victorian age on social and religious issues since... well, the British Victorian age.  They're consistently one of the most backward of the European nations on issues of this sort, their abuse of muslim immigrants is  legendary.

Basically, thinking that France "used to be cool" on social issues makes me question your functional literacy.
 
2013-04-23 11:12:39 AM  
I remember a few riots in some Muslim areas in France a few years back.  This included car burning, other fun stuff.

I don't think they are worried about the traditional anti-gay population, which from the photos appears to be aging females.

/And sticking the young ones out in front of the crowd for PR does not count.
 
2013-04-23 11:12:54 AM  
No subby, France was never cool. Any Frenchmen I ever met was just rude, crude and ignorant in my book.
Maybe because I'm American?
 
2013-04-23 11:12:57 AM  
Things have really gone down hill since the baguette
 
2013-04-23 11:13:52 AM  
Are people allowed to miss work to protest in France without any penalty from their employer?

from what I have heard about France is that it is extremely difficult to lose your job after you get it.  It's why companies are reluctant to hire and you have high unemployment.  They also have separate unions for just about every job in the country.
 
2013-04-23 11:14:43 AM  
Why exactly is it anyone in the U.S., U.K., Canada, Germany, Italy, or anywhere else's business what France wants to do as long as they aren't making lamp shades out of their citizens or trying to invade neighbors?
 
2013-04-23 11:15:29 AM  
FLMountainMan
And yet the Senate, where all states get an equal say, is the more moderate House.  Funny how that works.


Harder to gerrymander senate seats?

/What does this have to do with France?
 
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