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(Politico)   The REAL reason Democrats are pushing so hard for immigration reform   (politico.com) divider line 28
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3684 clicks; posted to Politics » on 23 Apr 2013 at 9:36 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-04-23 09:36:53 AM
10 votes:
I love how, to conservatives, voter fraud isn't manipulating poll machines or casting multiple votes, it's having a large group of people vote for the other party.
2013-04-23 09:30:25 AM
7 votes:
Yeah, liberals definitely only want it for the votes. The fact that its the right think to do is 100% irrelevant.
2013-04-23 10:01:44 AM
4 votes:
The REAL reason Republicans are against any kind of immigration reform is that their constituents genuinely believe that we can, should, must deport 14 million people without it costing a trillion dollars, and without it causing massive social and economic disruption, and without it creating a huge extralegal system that is designed not to reinforce the rule of law, but circumvent it, in the name of speedy execution of "justice."

(Kind of like invading a foreign country and expecting to be welcomed as liberators, and to have the war pay for itself.)

And that we can, should, must build a huge wall along every inch of America's borders, without it costing a trillion dollars, because that will stop illegal immigration, and if it doesn't, they will next call for machine gun nests every 100 yards.

In short, because too many of their constituents are simply gibbering insane when it comes to Latinos.

And that is why Latinos vote Democrat.  If the GOP said, "We welcome our hardworking, family-oriented, Christian Latino immigrants seeking the American dream," they would flock to the GOP.

Foot, gun, pull trigger, reload, pull trigger, blame Democrats.
2013-04-23 10:07:30 AM
2 votes:

Ha, I knew this article looked familiar...

POLITICO "analysis": no way to know how many illegal immigrants would get citizenship and vote, so let's assume 100%. politico.com/story/2013/04/...

- Nate Silver (@fivethirtyeight) April 23, 2013

Politico attempting to use statistics is like Taco Bell attempting to cook French food.

- Nate Silver (@fivethirtyeight) April 23, 2013
2013-04-23 10:01:47 AM
2 votes:

Aarontology: Then they ran right the hell away from the GOP.


Immigrants tend to do that when your party gets taken over by Xenophobes.
2013-04-23 09:57:50 AM
2 votes:
Yes, you're absolutely right. It has nothing to do with stopping America from being inhumane and cruel to millions of people who know no home other than America or are refugees desperate to escape economic ruin. They're doing it to bollocks up the Electoral College.
2013-04-23 09:57:02 AM
2 votes:
Doing the right thing and getting some votes out of it. Truly politics at its worst.
2013-04-23 09:53:09 AM
2 votes:
In case you're confused by double standards:

When Republicans push for redistricting (gerrymandering), it's okay, because they won the election and it's their right.  When Democrats push for immigration reform because it will add to their voting block, it's pandering and irresponsible.  Take notes, there will be a quiz.
2013-04-23 09:52:59 AM
2 votes:
Or it could be to prevent employers from taking advantage of undocumented workers (illegal immigrants). You know, making sure they have a recourse in case their employers decide to do things like, not pay them, or pay them less than what was agreed upon.
2013-04-23 09:38:19 AM
2 votes:
It's all a conspiracy for those sweet sweet illegal votes. We have at least 200 years of ultra-marxist kenyan usurpers to get elected, and we need those illegal votes in order to continue to ruin this white christian nation.
2013-04-23 03:16:49 PM
1 votes:

ReverendJasen: If that's the Democrat strategy, it's a long-term failure.
Study it out...
We bring in 30 million Latin peoples, who start voting Democrat.
Out-vote GOP in so many districts they're virtually a 3rd party status.
Conservative Latins don't really agree with Democrat politics, start their own party, La Conservativa.
Back to square one.


The notion that Latinos are really Republicans who just need to be educated about how the Democrats are the real racists is a fantasy. They're overwhelmingly progressive on economic issues. And even on social issues, they're not as conservative as Republicans imagine. They oppose abortion, for example, for themselves, but that doesn't translate into support for the anti-choice agenda. Their attitude is, "I think abortion is wrong, so therefore I won't have one." Craziness, I know.
2013-04-23 02:39:44 PM
1 votes:
Fark progressive Brigade

*bored*
2013-04-23 01:03:56 PM
1 votes:
Democrats don't support immigration reform so that Hispanics will vote for them. Hispanics vote for them because they support immigration reform.
2013-04-23 12:27:24 PM
1 votes:
Well Republicans, I guess you need to evolve or die.
2013-04-23 10:56:30 AM
1 votes:

DeaH: Cythraul: Or it could be to prevent employers from taking advantage of undocumented workers (illegal immigrants). You know, making sure they have a recourse in case their employers decide to do things like, not pay them, or pay them less than what was agreed upon.

Yep, and the fact that this will also force employers to hire from a legal job market means that wages will stabilize. No more paying under market value because your workforce is too scared to do anything about it. Ironically, the average lower-middle class white person stands to benefit from this legislation, but they are against it because they don't want Mexicans to take their jobs. They don't seem to understand that Mexicans are taking their jobs because Mexicans will take a much lower wage because of their illegal status.  Give them legal status, and employers won't be able to play that game.


The only negative thing I can think of that would come from that would be higher prices for certain products, since the formerly illegal immigrant workers would then be legal and would then have a higher level of pay. But I'd rather have to pay more for my strawberries than to see them be taken advantage of.
2013-04-23 10:44:29 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: Or it could be to prevent employers from taking advantage of undocumented workers (illegal immigrants). You know, making sure they have a recourse in case their employers decide to do things like, not pay them, or pay them less than what was agreed upon.


Yep, and the fact that this will also force employers to hire from a legal job market means that wages will stabilize. No more paying under market value because your workforce is too scared to do anything about it. Ironically, the average lower-middle class white person stands to benefit from this legislation, but they are against it because they don't want Mexicans to take their jobs. They don't seem to understand that Mexicans are taking their jobs because Mexicans will take a much lower wage because of their illegal status.  Give them legal status, and employers won't be able to play that game.
2013-04-23 10:43:32 AM
1 votes:
We have economies of entire states fueled by illegal immigration. Our two-faced "war on illegal immigrants" is bullshiat, self-defeating, and a waste of money.

Worker documentation is a necessity, no matter who it benefits. Our country needs to stop with this partisan flag waving and get things done.
2013-04-23 10:27:50 AM
1 votes:
Birth of a Nation, the famous KKK propaganda film, plays upon the fears of whites by envisioning a future where the black man uses his right to vote to take over the Legislature, and immediately passes laws to force whites into subservience (the one example I recall is where they pass a law that forces white men to tip their hats when passing a black man on the street).

Old habits die hard, I suppose.
2013-04-23 10:23:51 AM
1 votes:
by the way... isn't this the way that a representative republic is supposed to work? if the people want something, you give it to them. if you don't, they vote your ass out in the next election.
2013-04-23 10:15:46 AM
1 votes:

the opposite of charity is justice: If they weren't so rabidly anti-immigrant, repubs might find the traditionally conservative latino groups could find a home in their party.


same with muslims.
2013-04-23 10:02:39 AM
1 votes:
President Barack Obama's relatively narrow victory

www.contourcorsets.com
2013-04-23 09:47:58 AM
1 votes:
I would imagine Marco Rubio is pretty pissed at this being torpedoed by his party. He basically pissed off the hardliners in his own party to embrace "immigration reform" and now he will be denied the signature legislative action he gave up his conservative street cred for.
2013-04-23 09:42:42 AM
1 votes:

Rev.K: I love how, to conservatives, voter fraud isn't manipulating poll machines or casting multiple votes, it's having a large group of people vote for the other party.


And that an influx of a heavily Catholic population from conservative areas are necessarily "liberal Democrats", as if it's impossible for them to try and appeal to immigrants/new citizens.

What about that new messaging, GOP? The flavor of message that isn't anti-immigrant, anti-brown people or anti-woman? This seems like a great way to start using that new ad campaign, keep the libs from getting these new Americans on their rolls.
2013-04-23 09:41:33 AM
1 votes:
Conservatives know the best way to appeal to a minority voting bloc is to hire one of them into a cabinet position, then just wait for the votes to roll in.

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Isn't that right, Seedy Gonzales?
2013-04-23 09:40:47 AM
1 votes:
Then we'll make Puerto Rico a state just to rub their noses in it.
2013-04-23 09:38:54 AM
1 votes:
well, it's the REAL reason that many "moderate" republicans are suddenly behind it.
2013-04-23 09:37:59 AM
1 votes:
to be fair, this is somewhat incidental, since essentially any change in districting or reform related to alleviating disenfranchisement of any kind at this point would help the Dems more than the GOP.
2013-04-23 09:36:41 AM
1 votes:
Demographically speaking, those states are going to become heavily Latino anyway, so nothing changes in the least.
 
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