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(Politico)   The REAL reason Democrats are pushing so hard for immigration reform   (politico.com) divider line 90
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2013-04-23 09:30:25 AM  
Yeah, liberals definitely only want it for the votes. The fact that its the right think to do is 100% irrelevant.
 
2013-04-23 09:36:41 AM  
Demographically speaking, those states are going to become heavily Latino anyway, so nothing changes in the least.
 
2013-04-23 09:36:53 AM  
I love how, to conservatives, voter fraud isn't manipulating poll machines or casting multiple votes, it's having a large group of people vote for the other party.
 
2013-04-23 09:37:59 AM  
to be fair, this is somewhat incidental, since essentially any change in districting or reform related to alleviating disenfranchisement of any kind at this point would help the Dems more than the GOP.
 
2013-04-23 09:38:19 AM  
It's all a conspiracy for those sweet sweet illegal votes. We have at least 200 years of ultra-marxist kenyan usurpers to get elected, and we need those illegal votes in order to continue to ruin this white christian nation.
 
2013-04-23 09:38:28 AM  

Rev.K: I love how, to conservatives, voter fraud isn't manipulating poll machines or casting multiple votes, it's having a large group of people vote for the other party.


They've also equated not getting everything you want with living under the brutal rule of a totalitarian tyrant, so I'm not too surprised.
 
2013-04-23 09:38:54 AM  
well, it's the REAL reason that many "moderate" republicans are suddenly behind it.
 
2013-04-23 09:40:47 AM  
Then we'll make Puerto Rico a state just to rub their noses in it.
 
2013-04-23 09:41:33 AM  
Conservatives know the best way to appeal to a minority voting bloc is to hire one of them into a cabinet position, then just wait for the votes to roll in.

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Isn't that right, Seedy Gonzales?
 
2013-04-23 09:42:42 AM  

Rev.K: I love how, to conservatives, voter fraud isn't manipulating poll machines or casting multiple votes, it's having a large group of people vote for the other party.


And that an influx of a heavily Catholic population from conservative areas are necessarily "liberal Democrats", as if it's impossible for them to try and appeal to immigrants/new citizens.

What about that new messaging, GOP? The flavor of message that isn't anti-immigrant, anti-brown people or anti-woman? This seems like a great way to start using that new ad campaign, keep the libs from getting these new Americans on their rolls.
 
2013-04-23 09:44:22 AM  

FlashHarry: well, it's the REAL reason that many "moderate" republicans are suddenly behind it.


Came here to say this.  Don't people remember how this came up as the reason Republicans lost basically every minority by 70-30 or more?

//of course they don't -- most people have the attention span of goldfish.
 
2013-04-23 09:44:27 AM  

Rev.K: I love how, to conservatives, voter fraud isn't manipulating poll machines or casting multiple votes, it's having a large group of people vote for the other party.


It's sort of like the difference in strategy between the Protoss and the Zerg.

Or something.

I'm coming out of a cold, I'm not sure if that analogy works.
 
2013-04-23 09:46:39 AM  

EyeballKid: Isn't that right, Seedy Gonzales?


He doesn't recall.
 
2013-04-23 09:46:46 AM  

Shostie: It's sort of like the difference in strategy between the Protoss and the Zerg.

Or something.

I'm coming out of a cold, I'm not sure if that analogy works.


I'm going to go with 'sure'.
 
2013-04-23 09:47:58 AM  
I would imagine Marco Rubio is pretty pissed at this being torpedoed by his party. He basically pissed off the hardliners in his own party to embrace "immigration reform" and now he will be denied the signature legislative action he gave up his conservative street cred for.
 
2013-04-23 09:49:58 AM  
The real reason is because they want terrorists to kill everyone because of Bengazi and gay marriage!!!!!
 
2013-04-23 09:51:23 AM  
pumping as many as 11 million new Hispanic voters into the electorate a decade from now in ways that, if current trends hold, would produce an electoral bonanza for Democrats and cripple Republican prospects in many states they now win easily.

Why would democrats want to give the vote to people who are naturally republican voters?
 
2013-04-23 09:52:59 AM  
Or it could be to prevent employers from taking advantage of undocumented workers (illegal immigrants). You know, making sure they have a recourse in case their employers decide to do things like, not pay them, or pay them less than what was agreed upon.
 
2013-04-23 09:53:09 AM  
In case you're confused by double standards:

When Republicans push for redistricting (gerrymandering), it's okay, because they won the election and it's their right.  When Democrats push for immigration reform because it will add to their voting block, it's pandering and irresponsible.  Take notes, there will be a quiz.
 
2013-04-23 09:57:02 AM  
Doing the right thing and getting some votes out of it. Truly politics at its worst.
 
2013-04-23 09:57:50 AM  
Yes, you're absolutely right. It has nothing to do with stopping America from being inhumane and cruel to millions of people who know no home other than America or are refugees desperate to escape economic ruin. They're doing it to bollocks up the Electoral College.
 
2013-04-23 09:58:51 AM  

Shostie: Rev.K: I love how, to conservatives, voter fraud isn't manipulating poll machines or casting multiple votes, it's having a large group of people vote for the other party.

It's sort of like the difference in strategy between the Protoss and the Zerg.

Or something.

I'm coming out of a cold, I'm not sure if that analogy works.


BACHLING RUSH kekeke
 
2013-04-23 09:58:58 AM  

Karac: pumping as many as 11 million new Hispanic voters into the electorate a decade from now in ways that, if current trends hold, would produce an electoral bonanza for Democrats and cripple Republican prospects in many states they now win easily.

Why would democrats want to give the vote to people who are naturally republican voters?


That's the funniest thing. W improved his standing among Hispanic voters between 2000 and 2004. I remember at the time people were saying that it would be the key to that permanent Republican majority if they could hold onto that trend.

Then they ran right the hell away from the GOP.
 
2013-04-23 10:00:18 AM  
The comments at politico are always so funny- So many republicans, so sure about their 'facts', all repeating the lies they've heard on talk radio and Fox.
 
2013-04-23 10:01:44 AM  
The REAL reason Republicans are against any kind of immigration reform is that their constituents genuinely believe that we can, should, must deport 14 million people without it costing a trillion dollars, and without it causing massive social and economic disruption, and without it creating a huge extralegal system that is designed not to reinforce the rule of law, but circumvent it, in the name of speedy execution of "justice."

(Kind of like invading a foreign country and expecting to be welcomed as liberators, and to have the war pay for itself.)

And that we can, should, must build a huge wall along every inch of America's borders, without it costing a trillion dollars, because that will stop illegal immigration, and if it doesn't, they will next call for machine gun nests every 100 yards.

In short, because too many of their constituents are simply gibbering insane when it comes to Latinos.

And that is why Latinos vote Democrat.  If the GOP said, "We welcome our hardworking, family-oriented, Christian Latino immigrants seeking the American dream," they would flock to the GOP.

Foot, gun, pull trigger, reload, pull trigger, blame Democrats.
 
2013-04-23 10:01:45 AM  
I love when conservatards yell about election fraud, when the only reported cases in the past elections I've heard about are one person who had dementia, and GOP operatives trying to steal elections.
 
2013-04-23 10:01:47 AM  

Aarontology: Then they ran right the hell away from the GOP.


Immigrants tend to do that when your party gets taken over by Xenophobes.
 
2013-04-23 10:02:39 AM  
President Barack Obama's relatively narrow victory

www.contourcorsets.com
 
2013-04-23 10:07:30 AM  

Ha, I knew this article looked familiar...

POLITICO "analysis": no way to know how many illegal immigrants would get citizenship and vote, so let's assume 100%. politico.com/story/2013/04/...

- Nate Silver (@fivethirtyeight) April 23, 2013

Politico attempting to use statistics is like Taco Bell attempting to cook French food.

- Nate Silver (@fivethirtyeight) April 23, 2013
 
2013-04-23 10:07:33 AM  

Target Builder: President Barack Obama's relatively narrow victory

[www.contourcorsets.com image 440x343]


i love how they spun that. bush won by far fewer votes in 2004, het he had a 'mandate.'
 
2013-04-23 10:07:58 AM  
If they weren't so rabidly anti-immigrant, repubs might find the traditionally conservative latino groups could find a home in their party.
 
2013-04-23 10:13:15 AM  

the opposite of charity is justice: If they weren't so rabidly anti-immigrant, repubs might find the traditionally conservative latino groups could find a home in their party.


But I bet democrats are behind the GOP's xenophobia. Somehow they've tricked them into it.
 
2013-04-23 10:15:46 AM  

the opposite of charity is justice: If they weren't so rabidly anti-immigrant, repubs might find the traditionally conservative latino groups could find a home in their party.


same with muslims.
 
2013-04-23 10:20:05 AM  

Dinki: Immigrants tend to do that when your party gets taken over by Xenophobes.


Yep. There are a few immigrants in my office from Latin American countries who by any real measure should vote straight ticket GOP.

But they really aren't fans of being profiled. One of them got into an accident a while back, and the responding officer put more effort into asking her if she was a citizen than finding out the details of the crash.
 
2013-04-23 10:20:20 AM  
I'm shocked, shocked the Democrats would want to expand a constituent group upon whose loyalty they can depend and don't have to anything to keep it. As a bonus, one party rule will be great. Look what it's done for the major cities.
 
2013-04-23 10:21:32 AM  
Any time Democrats do anything good for people, it's just because they want votes.  farking monsters.
 
2013-04-23 10:23:05 AM  

JerseyTim: Politico attempting to use statistics is like Taco Bell attempting to cook French food.
- Nate Silver (@fivethirtyeight) April 23, 2013


philadelphia.foobooz.com

You mean it only works in a future where there's no toilet paper and you don't get to have sex with Sandra Bullock?
 
2013-04-23 10:23:51 AM  
by the way... isn't this the way that a representative republic is supposed to work? if the people want something, you give it to them. if you don't, they vote your ass out in the next election.
 
2013-04-23 10:23:55 AM  
Probably posted this on here before, but it is worth repeating (but don't tell the GOP)..

Back in my younger days, I was idiotically head over heals for this lovely young Mexican lady that I had met at work (she was pretty.. I will admit that).  One night we were talking politics and I asked why she voted for democrats when I knew damn well that she was way conservative on most issues.

Her response was "they don't like us and have made it pretty clear that they don't".  So GOP, you have a group of people who more or less believe in the same stuff you do (except for the death penalty) but you have done such a good job of demonizing them that they vote for the other guys.
 
2013-04-23 10:27:50 AM  
Birth of a Nation, the famous KKK propaganda film, plays upon the fears of whites by envisioning a future where the black man uses his right to vote to take over the Legislature, and immediately passes laws to force whites into subservience (the one example I recall is where they pass a law that forces white men to tip their hats when passing a black man on the street).

Old habits die hard, I suppose.
 
2013-04-23 10:29:12 AM  

FlashHarry: by the way... isn't this the way that a representative republic is supposed to work? if the people want something, you give it to them. if you don't, they vote your ass out in the next election.


What you're forgetting is that before we are a representative republic, we are a Christian nation. If those representatives are shaming God with evil policies like letting people murder babies, forcing them to get gay married, and allowing them to leech off of the makers, then they deserve to get smoten.
 
2013-04-23 10:32:22 AM  

Serious Black: FlashHarry: by the way... isn't this the way that a representative republic is supposed to work? if the people want something, you give it to them. if you don't, they vote your ass out in the next election.

What you're forgetting is that before we are a representative republic, we are a Christian nation. If those representatives are shaming God with evil policies like letting people murder babies, forcing them to get gay married, and allowing them to leech off of the makers, then they deserve to get smoten.


ah. thanks for studying that out for me.
 
2013-04-23 10:37:38 AM  
Thank god Politico is here to weave us a cynical narrative about the true motivations behind this modest reform.
 
2013-04-23 10:39:16 AM  

Shostie: Rev.K: I love how, to conservatives, voter fraud isn't manipulating poll machines or casting multiple votes, it's having a large group of people vote for the other party.

It's sort of like the difference in strategy between the Protoss and the Zerg.

Or something.

I'm coming out of a cold, I'm not sure if that analogy works.


So the Republicans are zerglings, and Democrats are... photon cannons? Colossi?
 
2013-04-23 10:41:47 AM  
The latin vote didn't always go for Democrats buttheads.  If the GOP hadn't worked so hard on completely alienating them, the latin vote would have lined up more behind the GOP's family values as they have in the past.
 
2013-04-23 10:43:32 AM  
We have economies of entire states fueled by illegal immigration. Our two-faced "war on illegal immigrants" is bullshiat, self-defeating, and a waste of money.

Worker documentation is a necessity, no matter who it benefits. Our country needs to stop with this partisan flag waving and get things done.
 
2013-04-23 10:44:29 AM  

Cythraul: Or it could be to prevent employers from taking advantage of undocumented workers (illegal immigrants). You know, making sure they have a recourse in case their employers decide to do things like, not pay them, or pay them less than what was agreed upon.


Yep, and the fact that this will also force employers to hire from a legal job market means that wages will stabilize. No more paying under market value because your workforce is too scared to do anything about it. Ironically, the average lower-middle class white person stands to benefit from this legislation, but they are against it because they don't want Mexicans to take their jobs. They don't seem to understand that Mexicans are taking their jobs because Mexicans will take a much lower wage because of their illegal status.  Give them legal status, and employers won't be able to play that game.
 
2013-04-23 10:46:37 AM  

RexTalionis: Demographically speaking, those states are going to become heavily Latino anyway, so nothing changes in the least.


Kibbler: The REAL reason Republicans are against any kind of immigration reform is that their constituents genuinely believe that we can, should, must deport 14 million people without it costing a trillion dollars, and without it causing massive social and economic disruption, and without it creating a huge extralegal system that is designed not to reinforce the rule of law, but circumvent it, in the name of speedy execution of "justice."


I believe these two points cover everything.
 
2013-04-23 10:51:00 AM  

DeaH: Cythraul: Or it could be to prevent employers from taking advantage of undocumented workers (illegal immigrants). You know, making sure they have a recourse in case their employers decide to do things like, not pay them, or pay them less than what was agreed upon.

Yep, and the fact that this will also force employers to hire from a legal job market means that wages will stabilize. No more paying under market value because your workforce is too scared to do anything about it. Ironically, the average lower-middle class white person stands to benefit from this legislation, but they are against it because they don't want Mexicans to take their jobs. They don't seem to understand that Mexicans are taking their jobs because Mexicans will take a much lower wage because of their illegal status.  Give them legal status, and employers won't be able to play that game.


Also this. If you rearm the division of the IRS that checks every W4 for legitimacy AND give amnesty and a guaranteed path to citizenship to people that have already been here for decades (Saint Ronald Reagan did this without diminishing his "legacy") those low wage jobs will start paying more. Do this and eliminate the H1B program while penalizing companies that offshore those jobs they were previously paying to lower wage H1B workers and you'll see higher paying jobs open back up as well.

This isn't rocket science people, it's just common sense.
 
2013-04-23 10:55:02 AM  

slayer199: the GOP's family values


wat
 
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