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(Mashable)   Grooveshark CEO: 'I'm Broke'   (mashable.com) divider line 62
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2013-04-23 11:17:06 AM  
That's too bad. Grooveshark's farking cool.
 
2013-04-23 11:25:08 AM  
He's just promoting Black Joe Lewis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX50U0duMJw
 
2013-04-23 11:30:50 AM  
gopher321: 'Don't Care'
 
2013-04-23 11:38:48 AM  
Never heard of them. What made them special? Why were they in such legal hot water?
 
2013-04-23 11:46:01 AM  
It has a cool name so rebrand.
 
2013-04-23 11:56:37 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Never heard of them. What made them special? Why were they in such legal hot water?


Music streaming service that tried to stay under the radar of the major labels.  Their plan didn't work and they got sued by all the big ones.

Still a fantastic service.  I use them daily.
 
2013-04-23 12:07:26 PM  
Like no one saw this from MILES away...
 
2013-04-23 12:13:44 PM  
damn.  Grooveshark is the only decent music streaming service.
 
2013-04-23 12:23:09 PM  
fark
 
2013-04-23 12:29:20 PM  
Maybe you should get a job.
 
2013-04-23 12:36:54 PM  
Damn it.
 
2013-04-23 01:09:51 PM  
I love Grooveshark. My buddy was offered to work with them years ago and declined. Good thing he didn't.

It's a great service for parties and get togethers for a wide variety of tastes.
 
2013-04-23 01:09:56 PM  

Kyro: Lost Thought 00: Never heard of them. What made them special? Why were they in such legal hot water?

Music streaming service that tried to stay under the radar of the major labels.  Their plan didn't work and they got sued by all the big ones.

Still a fantastic service.  I use them daily.


Ditto.
 
2013-04-23 01:12:54 PM  
I'm a Grooveshark! Suck my dick!
 
kab
2013-04-23 01:16:24 PM  
Independent bands on Grooveshark:  "so are we"
 
2013-04-23 01:23:31 PM  
I'm listening to music on Grooveshark, so I'm getting a kick out of this article
 
2013-04-23 01:26:06 PM  
If you poke around the tubes you can find out how to use Chrome to download any song on Grooveshark. It's awesome...I've been told by those who use this feature.
 
2013-04-23 01:27:33 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Kyro: Lost Thought 00: Never heard of them. What made them special? Why were they in such legal hot water?

Music streaming service that tried to stay under the radar of the major labels.  Their plan didn't work and they got sued by all the big ones.

Still a fantastic service.  I use them daily.

Ditto.


I might try them.  Don't like Pandora.  Thanks Fark!  I learned something today.  Now the score is days wasted:  1213 to days learned something:  4.
 
2013-04-23 01:28:36 PM  
I enjoyed Grooveshark when Spotify was Facebook only, but Spotify has got much better new music selection. Grooveshark does have better old music selection, but I do have issues with certain songs failing to load.  I still like to support bands with more money than they can get from streaming, but the streaming is a great way to shoot a penny or two to a band while I'm figuring out if I really love it.
 
2013-04-23 01:31:41 PM  

brandent: Don't like Pandora.


I prefer the method of finding anthology/review sites of a genre you like on teh Google as a way to find new bands over Pandora.  Pandora doesn't have a lot of non-major label bands on it, and if you like any music that spans multiple tracks (like symphonies or concept albums) you'll often find yourself getting stuck with only hearing a small middle part of it which really sucks.
 
2013-04-23 01:32:25 PM  
I hate that it takes weeks if not months to rebuild your playlist regardless of which service you're using.

/really hate that 95+% of the country music out there sucks
 
2013-04-23 01:37:30 PM  
ftfa: "Grooveshark redesigned its website to focus more on recommended stations and social profiles"

Ugh, please everyone stop using the word "social", it makes me cringe like you're stabbing my brain with lightning.

ftfa: "The DJ can select songs, record 30-second audio interludes and see real-time listening stats; listeners can engage with one another and offer feedback and song suggestions to the DJ through a live chat feature on the side."

Why would anyone want to listen to a "playlist" generated by some other d-bag? What's the point?
A suggestion feature? That's cool. Or you could, you know, MAKE A PLAYLIST YOURSELF instead of suggesting someone else do it.

I used to hit Grooveshark once in a while, however it got annoying having 30 renditions of the same song show up, all with slightly different levels of compression, or with different parts clipped or cutout. Sometimes distorted because it was over-modulated. It was a perfect mix of no thanks. Haven't been since 2010 or so. I'm not surprised it isn't working.
 
2013-04-23 01:43:46 PM  
I've had arguments with people here and elsewhere regarding the monopolistic natures of app stores where one entity can unilaterally control app availability in the marketplace and I keep getting shouted down that "people can go elsewhere".

Well here you have it. The cartels have won. There are no "market forces" when there are large players controlling the market content availability. The consumer is no longer part of the equation, you'll consume from the limited choices they decide you'll get.

Stockholm Syndrome run amok.
 
2013-04-23 02:01:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Never heard of them. What made them special? Why were they in such legal hot water?


It plays music, just about anything you'd like. No irritating ads (just visual), no hoops, no subscriptions although you get extras if you do, a decent selection of international/under the radar music, and simple as can be. No wonder the labels hate it.
 /Hopefully they can get the HTML5 version to work better soon. As of now it's kind of a crapshoot.
 
kab
2013-04-23 02:05:05 PM  

12349876: Pandora doesn't have a lot of non-major label bands on it, and if you like any music that spans multiple tracks (like symphonies or concept albums) you'll often find yourself getting stuck with only hearing a small middle part of it which really sucks.


That's because Pandora's submission process not only dictates that physical discs be available on Amazon (something many acts might not bother with), but also decides what genre's there are too much of, and which there aren't enough of.   That's a primary reason why there's a lot of small time artists you'll find on things like Spotify that you won't on Pandora.

None of these services are actually doing artists any favors, but hey, free music.
 
2013-04-23 02:39:19 PM  

kab: None of these services are actually doing artists any favors, but hey, free music.


I may be in the minority, but I mainly use the streaming services as a souped up version of the listening station at the record store, and will buy music that I really really enjoy.  I also use it some for back catalogs of bands that are broken up or very different lineups now because I don't have the money to be supporting the people who aren't going to be making the next album.
 
2013-04-23 02:48:32 PM  

kab: None of these services are actually doing artists any favors, but hey, free music.


Not so. If anything, some of the more obscure stuff makes we want to seek out interesting box sets and other releases I never knew about. Yes, as in BUY them.
 
2013-04-23 02:50:25 PM  

kab: None of these services are actually doing artists any favors, but hey, free music.


Most of the music I have on Spotify is red dirt country bands.  You can't buy their music where I live.  They're getting exposure up this way for free.  That's not a bad thing.
 
2013-04-23 02:59:00 PM  
12349876:if you like any music that spans multiple tracks (like symphonies or concept albums) you'll often find yourself getting stuck with only hearing a small middle part of it which really sucks.

This right here.

Listening to Pandora is just like listening to a real radio station. You get the same damn playlist over and over. If you put in an album as the "find music like this" criteria you get 3 songs off the album and a bunch of random assed shiat in between.

My biggest problem with Pandora is their blatant efforts to push certain artists down your throat in every single one of your stations. The Clash seem to be a band that gets spammed out a lot. I used to love them until Pandora wore them out. Now I thumbs down them violently every time one of their songs comes through.

It must be some kind of social engineering project.
 
2013-04-23 03:07:54 PM  
And by "I'm broke," he means, "I'm hiding my assets."
 
2013-04-23 03:13:40 PM  

12349876: kab: None of these services are actually doing artists any favors, but hey, free music.

I may be in the minority, but I mainly use the streaming services as a souped up version of the listening station at the record store, and will buy music that I really really enjoy.  I also use it some for back catalogs of bands that are broken up or very different lineups now because I don't have the money to be supporting the people who aren't going to be making the next album.


Yeah this is what I use Grooveshark for as well. Instead of little 30-second clips I can listen to the entire album and then if I like it I'll go and buy the album.
 
2013-04-23 03:16:49 PM  
Seems like every time I find an album I really like on Grooveshark, it's about as accurate and with the quality of what you would have gotten off Kazaa back in the day -- missing files, corrupt MP3s, mislabeled/duplicate tracks, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I see the appeal of a quasi-legal music site like this, I just wish it were better organized.
 
2013-04-23 03:20:24 PM  
kab:

None of these services are actually doing artists any favors, but hey, free music.

Pretty much this.  Spotify doesn't give an easy way to purchase the songs legit, not even to mention the crappy internet royalties paid to artists. I know the selling point to artists is a supposed "conversion rate" to retail sales, but seriously.

And no - not every artist can make money touring.
 
2013-04-23 03:58:16 PM  
I have found that more and more people are posting entire albums on YouTube. I am guessing this might be the closest that my kids and future generations get to sitting down and actually listening to an album or cd in it's entirety. I really like to have the media in hand (cd) because I am old I guess. But I don't have any DRM issues when I own the cd and can rip it when I feel or need. But I do like being able to go over to YouTube and check out the full cd before looking for a physical copy.
 
2013-04-23 04:01:22 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: kab:

None of these services are actually doing artists any favors, but hey, free music.

Pretty much this.  Spotify doesn't give an easy way to purchase the songs legit, not even to mention the crappy internet royalties paid to artists. I know the selling point to artists is a supposed "conversion rate" to retail sales, but seriously.

And no - not every artist can make money touring.


That is true.  Only the ones with talent can make it.
 
2013-04-23 04:15:39 PM  
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2013-04-23 04:37:53 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: Pretty much this. Spotify doesn't give an easy way to purchase the songs legit, not even to mention the crappy internet royalties paid to artists. I know the selling point to artists is a supposed "conversion rate" to retail sales, but seriously.


I can sort of see what you mean.  On the other hand:

1) See artist and title currently playing on Spotify
2) Open application used to purchase music (iTunes, Internet Explorer)
3) Search for artist and title
4) Purchase

Total time to execute steps: under 60 seconds.  Most listeners are probably willing to expend that much effort and focus if they like the song.
 
kab
2013-04-23 05:01:13 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: That is true. Only the ones with talent can make it.


heh.
 
2013-04-23 06:11:42 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: If you poke around the tubes you can find out how to use Chrome to download any song on Grooveshark. It's awesome...I've been told by those who use this feature.


That might have been cool news a decade ago.  Just go torrent the band's discography like a normal person.
 
2013-04-23 06:47:46 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Never heard of them. What made them special? Why were they in such legal hot water?


They dared to start up a business that the Powers That Be didn't want them to have.
 
2013-04-23 07:06:33 PM  
Grooveshark is awesome. I use it every day. I only wish they didn't have 50 versions of "Rehab" by Amy Winehouse. There's only one version I like. Here is my Grooveshark tribute to the only dead chic I have a crush on:

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Cemetary+Girl/2ExaWT?src=5


wait, you can't paste a song-link anymore?!? Grooveshark sucks.
 
2013-04-23 07:14:38 PM  
You have a crush on Amy Winehouse?  Freaky deakies need love, too... I guess.
 
2013-04-23 07:16:36 PM  

12349876: I mainly use the streaming services as a souped up version of the listening station at the record store, and will buy music that I really really enjoy.


Same here. Also: YouTube. I thought it was weird to have songs on YouTube at first ("But it's a video site!") but it works really well to share and sample music. I don't mind buying albums (MP3 albums, these days) at all, as long as I can sample them first.
 
2013-04-23 07:19:29 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Walt_Jizzney: kab:

None of these services are actually doing artists any favors, but hey, free music.

Pretty much this.  Spotify doesn't give an easy way to purchase the songs legit, not even to mention the crappy internet royalties paid to artists. I know the selling point to artists is a supposed "conversion rate" to retail sales, but seriously.

And no - not every artist can make money touring.

That is true.  Only the ones with talent can make it.


4/10
 
2013-04-23 07:21:01 PM  

valkore: Walt_Jizzney: Pretty much this. Spotify doesn't give an easy way to purchase the songs legit, not even to mention the crappy internet royalties paid to artists. I know the selling point to artists is a supposed "conversion rate" to retail sales, but seriously.

I can sort of see what you mean.  On the other hand:

1) See artist and title currently playing on Spotify
2) Open application used to purchase music (iTunes, Internet Explorer)
3) Search for artist and title
4) Purchase

Total time to execute steps: under 60 seconds.  Most listeners are probably willing to expend that much effort and focus if they like the song.


Me and you know this, but for today's generation adhd, that is one step too much...if there was a "Spotify Store" I would be all over it. I have no issue supporting artists and getting better sound quality.
 
2013-04-23 08:31:59 PM  

lohphat: I've had arguments with people here and elsewhere regarding the monopolistic natures of app stores where one entity can unilaterally control app availability in the marketplace and I keep getting shouted down that "people can go elsewhere".

Well here you have it. The cartels have won. There are no "market forces" when there are large players controlling the market content availability. The consumer is no longer part of the equation, you'll consume from the limited choices they decide you'll get.

Stockholm Syndrome run amok.


Nothing new about this. It is how business has been done for forever. Think about commodities. The manufacturer decides what they will provide and offer to the jobbers/distributors/wholesalers etc and then the retailers get to choose what to carry from that limited pool. Then the consumers get to decide which of the options the manufacturers and retailers decide to make available in their market.

One of the ways WalMart started making a difference was in telling the manufacturers what they would provide. The internet has helped with the democratization of the production process by saying "No, I can order this other option from overseas, and if I can't do it legally I can do it illegally because here's a service that will do it for a price."

Do you know how "colors" are chosen every year by the fashion industry? They have a meeting, in France, where all the big players literally decide what is going to be in and what is going to be out. The folks who make dye, interior design folks, fashion designers, they plan it out and determine what will be available for the next year and how to position it for public consumption. And they've been doing it for decades. It's an extreme example of collusion to limit consumer choices, but I know I've read at least one article on that here on Fark. And no, it wasn't a Daily Fail link.

The entertainment industry is like all the others. They are concerned primarily with controlling what the public can access. I know Disney has a regular cycle-- they will release an animated classic for a few months, then stick it back in the vault for about a decade to build up demand. Then they can re-release it theatrically and build excitement around it, keeping the films fresh. In fact it is that type of control that contributed to piracy in the first place-- they wouldn't release movies overseas for months or years after they were released in the US, if at all. So youi had guys here in the States that would buy 100 copies of a tape and sell them for five or ten times what they paid for the tapes, and ship them to customers overseas. And I'm sure that those customers were middlement who would dupe the tapes onto PAL and sell their copies to local clients. When I worked at Suncoast Motion Picture Company we had several customers who would place huge pre-orders of big titles for what we knew was overseas sales. We happily took their money because the system was stupid and remains stupid. Especially in view of the disasatrous PAL release of Braveheart. In the US, it was two tapes, in Europe one tape, and that was extremely thin. Huge failure rate on the tape, ended up driving even more customers to blackmarket distribution because at least they knew what they were paying for, and the local unlicensed distributor was showing more integrity to the product than the studio and distributor.

It's not about money and business, it is about control and ego. I'll admit to that myself, I have a trilogy of scripts that I am trying to get independent funding for because there is no way in hell I'm turning it over to them for the Hollywood treatment. I'm hoping to get the first made through IndieVest. I have a ton of material to tie in on other formats (series, webcomics, graphic novels) and I'd rather fail on my own than be locked out of creative control because I'm not a bankable writer.  If need be I'll go with the formats I can do on my own to build an audience for the movies even though that would be a lot more work. I don't want to put more money in the hands of the traditional distribution system. And that could probably be pointed to as the moral equivalent of how the traditional distribution system acts to control access to products in their library.
 
2013-04-23 08:57:31 PM  

brandent: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Kyro: Lost Thought 00: Never heard of them. What made them special? Why were they in such legal hot water?

Music streaming service that tried to stay under the radar of the major labels.  Their plan didn't work and they got sued by all the big ones.

Still a fantastic service.  I use them daily.

Ditto.

I might try them.  Don't like Pandora.  Thanks Fark!  I learned something today.  Now the score is days wasted:  1213 to days learned something:  4.


Holy cow I'd like to thank the submitter person.  Tried it, love it.  How did I not know of this?
 
2013-04-23 09:02:44 PM  
It's actually kind of sad that these things live and die at the behest of major labels instead of using content from the million and one unsigned bands/music makers out there that would love the exposure.

Of course, that would take a listening public that doesn't fear the unfamiliar and actually well-produced music that isn't terrible for content.
 
2013-04-23 09:08:10 PM  
Yeah. I bet his version of "broke" isn't the same as mine. As in, "Not certain I can pay rent in June" broke. His is probably more like "Has to sell the smaller yacht and move to a house that only has four bathrooms" broke.
 
2013-04-23 09:20:34 PM  
Meh, between Pandora (music) and Tunein Radio (world news and just about any radio station I can find)  I haven't seen the need for another app.  I looked at Grooveshark but it gave me some 30 sec previews and then wanted me to subscribe iirc.
 
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