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2013-04-23 10:44:08 AM  

Rev.K: James!: There's three kinds of pork in that motherfarker. DID YOU OBSERVE THOSE WORDS?

THREE KINDS OF PORK!

That's fantastic, but that cilantro has to go.

Devil weed.


This.

Maybe we can turn this into a cilantro hater thread. The NYC hater thread was yesterday.
 
2013-04-23 10:44:23 AM  

Algebrat: Living in NYC is about the only way that I can plausibly pay down my student loans.  Both my salary and my expenses are twice as high as they would be for the same job/lifestyle in Pittsburgh, and that means the difference between the two is twice as high.  It's actually quite possible to live cheaply in NYC if your intent is financial freedom rather than getting the "experience".

\ $600 for an Upper West Side appartment.
\\ ok, it's w. 144th street.
\\\ with 2 other roommates.


Northern Harlem/The Heights is getting big - you guys should buy that shiat if you can
 
2013-04-23 10:44:50 AM  

Bloody William: This farking thread again? We had this yesterday.

James!: sigdiamond2000: James!: I spent 23 dollars on Vietnamese food the other day, had it delivered to my apartment after 11 at night and had enough for lunch the next day.

Uhhhh...ummmm...HISPTER!!11

Look at this motherfarker:
[tomjinadventures.files.wordpress.com image 660x327]

There's three kinds of pork in that motherfarker.  DID YOU OBSERVE THOSE WORDS?

THREE KINDS OF PORK!

You go to Baoguette somewhere in the city? Every try Num Pang on 25th and Broadway? The sandwiches are smaller, but their pork belly ban mhi is amazing.


Henry's in Park Slope is my go to.
 
2013-04-23 10:46:53 AM  

Algebrat: Living in NYC is about the only way that I can plausibly pay down my student loans.  Both my salary and my expenses are twice as high as they would be for the same job/lifestyle in Pittsburgh, and that means the difference between the two is twice as high.  It's actually quite possible to live cheaply in NYC if your intent is financial freedom rather than getting the "experience".

\ $600 for an Upper West Side appartment.
\\ ok, it's w. 144th street.
\\\ with 2 other roommates.


That's how I feel about it too. If I can live in an expensive place on 80% of a high salary that is going to leave me a lot more fun money than living off of 80% of bupkis. There's a reason Australians ($14.38 minimum wage) travel more than Alabamans.
 
2013-04-23 10:47:10 AM  

Longtime Lurker: Chicago FTW. Virtually everything NYC has at half the cost.

/1200 for a brand new gut rehab 1br, and I'm really overpaying compared to my neighbors.
//not getting into the pizza debate


with similar salaries for most jobs.
 
2013-04-23 10:49:19 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: True. Some but not enough. I live 20 miles from work. I have a slightly gas inefficient pair of cars. Monthly gas and insurance is around $250. Additional miscellaneous maintenance and registration for a year is around $200. Even if it was a $1700 studio, you're still paying $1700 for a studio. If you're the kind of person who is out all the time and only uses their home to sleep, then I can understand something like that. Personally, I'd rather have a house for that kind of cash. Studios around me go for $500-800/month depending on location and quality.


You could probably add in a couple hundred a month for the amortized costs of the cars themselves, too.  Even if they're paid off now they were paid for at some point.  Someone who likes working on cars could mostly avoid that by exclusively buying old beaters and nursing them along as long as possible but most people won't do that.

Of course the downside of that is that you don't have a car, but NYC is one of the few places in the US it's easier to get around on public transit than by driving and it's simpler to rent on the occasions you do need a car than own one and deal with keeping it somewhere.

I think too many people ignore transportation costs when looking at housing - they're tied together.  It's obviously still cheaper to live in a rural area, though.
 
2013-04-23 10:49:43 AM  

Job Creator: pute kisses like a man: James!: sigdiamond2000: Rev.K: that cilantro has to go.

Looks like it's got some other elitist roughage in there as well.

Enjoy your fancy sandwich, Mr. Moderator.

I will.

quite frankly, the vietnamese have mastered the sandwich.  with a vibrant cuilinary background, molested by the french at just the right age, you have yourself the perfect, most balanced sandwich on earth... and it's on good bread too.

fatty pork, excellent pickles, and... good bread and cilantro.  not sure where this sandwich could be wanting.

No bacon?


well, american bacon is from the pork belly.  the pork bahn mis that I have had include pork belly.  so, it may not have been prepared like american bacon, but it's the same cut.  therefore, I say, it has bacon.
 
2013-04-23 10:51:47 AM  

skullkrusher: Algebrat: Living in NYC is about the only way that I can plausibly pay down my student loans.  Both my salary and my expenses are twice as high as they would be for the same job/lifestyle in Pittsburgh, and that means the difference between the two is twice as high.  It's actually quite possible to live cheaply in NYC if your intent is financial freedom rather than getting the "experience".

\ $600 for an Upper West Side appartment.
\\ ok, it's w. 144th street.
\\\ with 2 other roommates.

Northern Harlem/The Heights is getting big - you guys should buy that shiat if you can


Thought about it, but by the time I have my loans paid off, I doubt it will be in my price range.  56k to go.  132k four years ago, so a bit under two more years should do it.
 
2013-04-23 10:53:29 AM  

James!: I really doubt that most rural farkers live on vast tracts of land like they claim.  Most people live in tract housing out in the boonies and spend most of their day commuting.


I live about a half a mile from my workplace. It's a large corner lot (probably 1/4 acre) in the middle of town, across from the public library. I paid 103K for the 1300 sq foot home.

You may be right. My evidence is anecdotal. Although I wouldn't ever say my corner lot is a "vast tract of land". Although, around here you can get about 5 acres for 12K. It's about six miles outside the city.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Leisure-Ln_Scottsbl uf f_NE_69361_M86110-46410?row=68
 
2013-04-23 10:53:35 AM  

Algebrat: skullkrusher: Algebrat: Living in NYC is about the only way that I can plausibly pay down my student loans.  Both my salary and my expenses are twice as high as they would be for the same job/lifestyle in Pittsburgh, and that means the difference between the two is twice as high.  It's actually quite possible to live cheaply in NYC if your intent is financial freedom rather than getting the "experience".

\ $600 for an Upper West Side appartment.
\\ ok, it's w. 144th street.
\\\ with 2 other roommates.

Northern Harlem/The Heights is getting big - you guys should buy that shiat if you can

Thought about it, but by the time I have my loans paid off, I doubt it will be in my price range.  56k to go.  132k four years ago, so a bit under two more years should do it.


debt cut by more than half in 4 years? Not bad. Good luck. You probably have a few more years before the prices get out of hand. It's up and coming but I think a lot of people are still a little leery of moving that far north. I'm trying to convince the wife we should move to Inwood. You can buy a 4 BR house with a garage for like $600k there.
 
2013-04-23 10:53:56 AM  

Longtime Lurker: Chicago FTW. Virtually everything NYC has at half the cost.

/1200 for a brand new gut rehab 1br, and I'm really overpaying compared to my neighbors.
//not getting into the pizza debate


Right, that's pretty much what I pointed out in the last thread. It isn't "New York vs. bumblefark, AR." It's that New York is incredibly expensive even when compared to other major cities in America.

New York City is a wonderful place. I have friends that live there and love it. But it isn't worth paying twice what you would pay in Chicago, Seattle, Boston etc.
 
2013-04-23 10:54:38 AM  

Rev.K: James!: There's three kinds of pork in that motherfarker. DID YOU OBSERVE THOSE WORDS?

THREE KINDS OF PORK!

That's fantastic, but that cilantro has to go.

Devil weed.


Try coriander instead.
 
2013-04-23 10:55:03 AM  
You flatlanders / flyovers are just jealous losers of us big city dwellers.

You make 30% less money, but your house is only 100% larger than our apartment.

You may have your own car, but I get to spend 35 minutes commuting to work each way compared to your 7 minute drive.

And you'll never know the joy of having overpriced food delivered to your apartment.

// amidoingitright?
 
2013-04-23 10:56:00 AM  
$1900 for 1 bedroom on 109th btwn broadway and riverside.
$2600 for 1 bedroom that can be converted to a 2 bedroom on 19th and 2nd ave.

Studio's are generally overpriced in NYC, and I believe that prices will decline in a few years.
 
2013-04-23 10:57:14 AM  

travoltron: Came from the woods of NY (town of mouth breathers, nearest Taco Bell is in Canada), pay 1600/mo for a three bedroom with a backyard (not much of one, but I can grill) AND a parking space. City life can be done right if you don't have to live in Brooklyn with the fixed gear crowd.


Hate to say it, but rural upstate New York is some of the worst rural in the industrialized world. It's pretty out there and there are also lots of normal, happy, pleasant people, but holy shiat, you'll also meet some of the most isolated, pig-ignorant, toothless motherfarkers you can find in this country, and they're extremely bitter about it, resenting Syracuse and the other "big cities" *cough* and complaining about the evil influences of SUNY bringing in outsiders. I grew up in the rural midwest, but we still had the internet and flew on airplanes, for fark's sake.

Longtime Lurker: Chicago FTW. Virtually everything NYC has at half the cost.
 
/1200 for a brand new gut rehab 1br, and I'm really overpaying compared to my neighbors.
//not getting into the pizza debate


Also, this.
 
2013-04-23 10:57:37 AM  

James!: sigdiamond2000: James!: I spent 23 dollars on Vietnamese food the other day, had it delivered to my apartment after 11 at night and had enough for lunch the next day.

Uhhhh...ummmm...HISPTER!!11

Look at this motherfarker:
[tomjinadventures.files.wordpress.com image 660x327]

There's three kinds of pork in that motherfarker.  DID YOU OBSERVE THOSE WORDS?

THREE KINDS OF PORK!


We get those quite often from various places in the Chicago region.  The one's we get are only about $3 or $4, but don't usually have as much portion as shown in that pic.  This place, Pho Ha, in Glendale Heights is awesome BTW.  Really.

http://www.themenudrawer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view& id =291&Itemid=101

My wife wouldn't go there if the food wasn't consistently as good or better than what she can cook at home, and she cooks awesome shiat.  When we first met - "I good cook, I show you".  (her engrish is a little better now)
 
2013-04-23 10:58:44 AM  

DayDreamingD: $1900 for 1 bedroom on 109th btwn broadway and riverside.
$2600 for 1 bedroom that can be converted to a 2 bedroom on 19th and 2nd ave.

Studio's are generally overpriced in NYC, and I believe that prices will decline in a few years.


There aren't really any 'real' studios left.  The real studios have been converted to '1br' by the landlords putting up a shiatty fake wall.  With the 1br designation they can charge 25%-50% more per month.
 
2013-04-23 10:59:11 AM  

Big_Fat_Liar: James!: sigdiamond2000: James!: I spent 23 dollars on Vietnamese food the other day, had it delivered to my apartment after 11 at night and had enough for lunch the next day.

Uhhhh...ummmm...HISPTER!!11

Look at this motherfarker:
[tomjinadventures.files.wordpress.com image 660x327]

There's three kinds of pork in that motherfarker.  DID YOU OBSERVE THOSE WORDS?

THREE KINDS OF PORK!

We get those quite often from various places in the Chicago region.  The one's we get are only about $3 or $4, but don't usually have as much portion as shown in that pic.  This place, Pho Ha, in Glendale Heights is awesome BTW.  Really.

http://www.themenudrawer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view& id =291&Itemid=101

My wife wouldn't go there if the food wasn't consistently as good or better than what she can cook at home, and she cooks awesome shiat.  When we first met - "I good cook, I show you".  (her engrish is a little better now)


Just to be clear I got a lot more than just the sandwich for $23.  The sandwich is just my favorite part.
 
2013-04-23 11:01:59 AM  

hiker9999: Molavian: Ethertap: I live in south Georgia, I pay 500 bucks a month for a 1000 square-foot apartment.  In return for my tiny rent, I get to live in a town with no bar, no nightlife, no restaurant variety, and no culture.

When I got my job offer here I thought the pay was pretty lousy, 10% under national average for new hires in my field.  Then I looked up cost of living in the area and realized why it was that low.

The way I look at living in a place like New York, Chicago, Boston, or San Francisco (among others) is that despite the high cost of living, at least theres things to do, places to go, and interesting things to eat.

If you can't get laid in a town with nothing to do, you're doing it wrong.

Yes....but in towns like that, the question is...."laid...by *what*?!?"


shiat, one chick I dated looked like a super model and her greatest aspirations in life included "leather furniture" and "car that wasn't rusted".
 
2013-04-23 11:04:29 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Hm. Where is this $2,200/month studio apartment?


This. Try at least double.
 
Nib
2013-04-23 11:04:53 AM  
yea and my $4000 a year liability auto insurance is cheap as well.

/clean record
//under 30 male
 
2013-04-23 11:05:16 AM  

DamnYankees: Regional 'cost of living' as some sort of basis of radjustment is mostly crap. The reason it costs of a ton of money to live in New York is that living in New York is a 'good' which is in very high demand. Living here is a form of consumption. We don't subsidize consumption, and we don't pity people for consuming.


0 to D-bag in 5 seconds.

\Well done
 
2013-04-23 11:05:36 AM  

skullkrusher: Algebrat: skullkrusher: Algebrat: Living in NYC is about the only way that I can plausibly pay down my student loans.  Both my salary and my expenses are twice as high as they would be for the same job/lifestyle in Pittsburgh, and that means the difference between the two is twice as high.  It's actually quite possible to live cheaply in NYC if your intent is financial freedom rather than getting the "experience".

\ $600 for an Upper West Side appartment.
\\ ok, it's w. 144th street.
\\\ with 2 other roommates.

Northern Harlem/The Heights is getting big - you guys should buy that shiat if you can

Thought about it, but by the time I have my loans paid off, I doubt it will be in my price range.  56k to go.  132k four years ago, so a bit under two more years should do it.

debt cut by more than half in 4 years? Not bad. Good luck. You probably have a few more years before the prices get out of hand. It's up and coming but I think a lot of people are still a little leery of moving that far north. I'm trying to convince the wife we should move to Inwood. You can buy a 4 BR house with a garage for like $600k there.


Heh, good luck with that.  My girlfriend is more than happy to visit, but I'd never convince her to actually live up there.  She's down in Stuy Town, paying $1,280 for a place with two roommates of her own.  It's quite nice, a little green oasis in the city, if you don't mind how far East it is.  Or the fact that she's paying more than twice as much as I am for the same space.
 
2013-04-23 11:06:20 AM  

freewill: travoltron: Came from the woods of NY (town of mouth breathers, nearest Taco Bell is in Canada), pay 1600/mo for a three bedroom with a backyard (not much of one, but I can grill) AND a parking space. City life can be done right if you don't have to live in Brooklyn with the fixed gear crowd.

Hate to say it, but rural upstate New York is some of the worst rural in the industrialized world. It's pretty out there and there are also lots of normal, happy, pleasant people, but holy shiat, you'll also meet some of the most isolated, pig-ignorant, toothless motherfarkers you can find in this country, and they're extremely bitter about it, resenting Syracuse and the other "big cities" *cough* and complaining about the evil influences of SUNY bringing in outsiders. I grew up in the rural midwest, but we still had the internet and flew on airplanes, for fark's sake.


So you've been to my hometown. Good for you for making it out alive. It's the land where dreams go to die.
 
2013-04-23 11:08:04 AM  

odinsposse: Longtime Lurker: Chicago FTW. Virtually everything NYC has at half the cost.

/1200 for a brand new gut rehab 1br, and I'm really overpaying compared to my neighbors.
//not getting into the pizza debate

Right, that's pretty much what I pointed out in the last thread. It isn't "New York vs. bumblefark, AR." It's that New York is incredibly expensive even when compared to other major cities in America.

New York City is a wonderful place. I have friends that live there and love it. But it isn't worth paying twice what you would pay in Chicago, Seattle, Boston etc.


Something that I don't think is brought up enough in threads like this: It's not like everyone here is a transplant who might go elsewhere on cost alone. For a lot of us the area is home and our family/friends are mostly here. That does mean a lot.

/ok, so I'm from Long Island, but the city's always felt more right for me
//it's an easy train ride back to the family
 
2013-04-23 11:08:19 AM  

James!: Big_Fat_Liar: James!: sigdiamond2000: James!: I spent 23 dollars on Vietnamese food the other day, had it delivered to my apartment after 11 at night and had enough for lunch the next day.

Uhhhh...ummmm...HISPTER!!11

Look at this motherfarker:
[tomjinadventures.files.wordpress.com image 660x327]

There's three kinds of pork in that motherfarker.  DID YOU OBSERVE THOSE WORDS?

THREE KINDS OF PORK!

We get those quite often from various places in the Chicago region.  The one's we get are only about $3 or $4, but don't usually have as much portion as shown in that pic.  This place, Pho Ha, in Glendale Heights is awesome BTW.  Really.

http://www.themenudrawer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view& id =291&Itemid=101

My wife wouldn't go there if the food wasn't consistently as good or better than what she can cook at home, and she cooks awesome shiat.  When we first met - "I good cook, I show you".  (her engrish is a little better now)

Just to be clear I got a lot more than just the sandwich for $23.  The sandwich is just my favorite part.


Oh, I figured you did!  NYC isn't THAT expensive.  I think it's still cheaper than eating at Disney World...
 
2013-04-23 11:08:55 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Pocket Ninja: Hm. Where is this $2,200/month studio apartment?

Mine cost $1,440 when I was living in Hell's Kitchen in 2000. $2,200 doesn't sound that unfeasible, though it does sound high.


In 2008, my rent was approx $2300 in the UES and I had a studio duplex. Although admittedly the bottom floor of the studio was in the basement (no windows) it did give me some extra square footage most other studios don't have. I work in Manhattan's rental market - in the  UWS you can find a studio reasonably for $2200 - although it will be small and in a walk up building and no amenities.  I pay only a bit above that in mortgage and maintenance for a large 2 bed/2ba in Queens now. If you are willing to go a bit higher into Harlem or East Harlem you can find a very nice 1 bedroom in that budget though. It won't be lux, but you'll have significantly more space.

I rent 200sf studios on Clinton street in a walk up building for approx $2k/mo. They are renovated, but the LES is getting insane with prices.

Regarding the article though, I remember in one of my anthro classes studying "garbology" (literally, people's garbage) and it was found that low income people were far more likely to buy brand name (and higher cost) food items, like Doritos or Cheerios than were their wealthier counterparts, who were far more likely to buy non-brand items, like "Key Food brand cheese chips" (aka doritos). The theory is that lower income people use name brand store items as a class marker, as spending an extra 50 cents is pretty much what defines the poor from the really poor, whereas wealthier people don't make the distinction and therefore have no preference as to which food brand they purchase.
 
2013-04-23 11:12:22 AM  
farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-23 11:14:25 AM  

you have pee hands: You do save by not having to have a car.

Not enough to cover a $2200 studio apartment, but it helps some.


I just did some rough calculations on my cost of having a car for the last 18 years:

Price paid: $16000
Miles driven: 179,000
Fuel economy: ~24 MPG
Fuel used: 179,000/24 = 7500 gallons (rounded up)
Fuel cost: $3/gallon (another estimate, price has changed a lot in 18 years) * 7500 = $22,500
Insurance paid: $4000 (estimate average of ~$200/per year, rounded up, paid $130 last year)
Oil changes: ~$30/year * 18 = $540
Tires: estimate 1 set every 2 years at $400/set (high estimate) * 9 = $3600
Maint & repairs: $2000 (high estimate, actually did all my own mechanic work)

Total: $48640
Annual cost: $2700
Weekly cost: $52
Daily cost: ~$7.40

Probably riddled with errors, but there it is, for whatever it's worth.
 
2013-04-23 11:14:31 AM  
I'm happy where I'm at. You're happy where you're at. It's all good.
 
2013-04-23 11:15:41 AM  
Not going to read the thread for a bit, but I assume there is already some variation of "sure, it's cheaper to live elsewhere, if you call that living." NYC is home to a lot of paradoxically provincial people.
 
2013-04-23 11:16:13 AM  

Fano: NYC is home to a lot of paradoxically provincial people.


What's paradoxical about it?
 
2013-04-23 11:21:39 AM  
My Dad pays $0 a month in rent and lives in an unheated trailer behind my grandmother's house in rural southern central Michigan, subsisting on ditch weed, Monarch cigarettes, Steel Reserve, and Vikings.

He's got it made. He doesn't understand how all you fools can stand big city livin'.
 
2013-04-23 11:21:56 AM  
Archie Bunker knew how to fix this.

Archie: "Did you find a place to live yet?"
Meathead: "No.  Everything is too expensive."
Archie:  "Did you try Jersey?"
Meathead: "I hate Jersey."
Archie: "So do the people in Jersey, but somebody has to live there."
 
2013-04-23 11:22:28 AM  
I was skeptical of the article when I read this:
"the typical resident here pays roughly the same share of her income in rent as does her counterpart in      Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia and Houston, according to N.Y.U.'s Furman Center for Real Estate and Urban Policy."
because housing in Houston is relatively inexpensive. But then on the 2nd page there's this:
"But places like Houston are cheap - and staying cheap, even as they grow - because the local governments have realized their comparative advantage is in deregulation, not in fancy cookies."
 
2013-04-23 11:22:29 AM  
Jacksonville FTW! I pay $2200 a month for a 3 bedroom condo right on the river with a private dock and a boat lift.
 
2013-04-23 11:23:47 AM  
nbcprosoccertalk.files.wordpress.com
"Hey, Thierry, do you know why does Red Bull come in cans?"

www.topnews.in
"No, why, Jimmy?"

www.sportsvuesoccer.com
"Because they don't have any Cups."

injuryleague.com

www.mlssoccer.com
 
2013-04-23 11:24:01 AM  

Sybarite: A pair of sensible, unstylish walking flats from Harry's Shoes can set you back $480.

It's called Zappos,com, look into it.


LOL!!! Exactly sister!!!
 
2013-04-23 11:24:22 AM  

Job Creator: James!: sigdiamond2000: James!: I spent 23 dollars on Vietnamese food the other day, had it delivered to my apartment after 11 at night and had enough for lunch the next day.

Uhhhh...ummmm...HISPTER!!11

Look at this motherfarker:
[tomjinadventures.files.wordpress.com image 660x327]

There's three kinds of pork in that motherfarker.  DID YOU OBSERVE THOSE WORDS?

THREE KINDS OF PORK!


And according to one of my former coworkers, if you read mandarin, apparently one of those kinds of pork is 'dog', but that's probably not really true.

And at Bahn Mi Saigon, only about $4.50.  I have found that stuff like sushi, imported cheese and the like is cheaper here.  Not to mention places like Century 21, where high end clothing is less than half price.

Banh Mi Saigon, I order Banh Mi Ga extra extra extra spicy.

Banh Mi Saigon, an example of capitalism in action.  It looks like it started in the back of a jade jewelry store on Mott St, and basically took over the foot traffic due to popularity.
 
2013-04-23 11:24:48 AM  

Algebrat: skullkrusher: Algebrat: skullkrusher: Algebrat: Living in NYC is about the only way that I can plausibly pay down my student loans.  Both my salary and my expenses are twice as high as they would be for the same job/lifestyle in Pittsburgh, and that means the difference between the two is twice as high.  It's actually quite possible to live cheaply in NYC if your intent is financial freedom rather than getting the "experience".

\ $600 for an Upper West Side appartment.
\\ ok, it's w. 144th street.
\\\ with 2 other roommates.

Northern Harlem/The Heights is getting big - you guys should buy that shiat if you can

Thought about it, but by the time I have my loans paid off, I doubt it will be in my price range.  56k to go.  132k four years ago, so a bit under two more years should do it.

debt cut by more than half in 4 years? Not bad. Good luck. You probably have a few more years before the prices get out of hand. It's up and coming but I think a lot of people are still a little leery of moving that far north. I'm trying to convince the wife we should move to Inwood. You can buy a 4 BR house with a garage for like $600k there.

Heh, good luck with that.  My girlfriend is more than happy to visit, but I'd never convince her to actually live up there.  She's down in Stuy Town, paying $1,280 for a place with two roommates of her own.  It's quite nice, a little green oasis in the city, if you don't mind how far East it is.  Or the fact that she's paying more than twice as much as I am for the same space.


farking Stuy Town man... friend of mine's dad got her in there back in the waiting list days. I think she's still paying under $2k for a 2 BR
 
2013-04-23 11:27:28 AM  

pute kisses like a man: James!: sigdiamond2000: Rev.K: that cilantro has to go.

Looks like it's got some other elitist roughage in there as well.

Enjoy your fancy sandwich, Mr. Moderator.

I will.

quite frankly, the vietnamese have mastered the sandwich.  with a vibrant cuilinary background, molested by the french at just the right age, you have yourself the perfect, most balanced sandwich on earth... and it's on good bread too.

fatty pork, excellent pickles, and... good bread and cilantro.  not sure where this sandwich could be wanting.


My flyover state has a vibrant Vietnamese presence and yes, the people as a culture have taken the best of their traditional cuisine and melded it with the best of French cuisine - also evidenced by their ability to take a farking baguette and make it fantastic.   Oh, and they have some heartbreakingly beautiful women.
 
2013-04-23 11:27:43 AM  

RatOmeter: you have pee hands: You do save by not having to have a car.

Not enough to cover a $2200 studio apartment, but it helps some.

I just did some rough calculations on my cost of having a car for the last 18 years:

Price paid: $16000
Miles driven: 179,000
Fuel economy: ~24 MPG
Fuel used: 179,000/24 = 7500 gallons (rounded up)
Fuel cost: $3/gallon (another estimate, price has changed a lot in 18 years) * 7500 = $22,500
Insurance paid: $4000 (estimate average of ~$200/per year, rounded up, paid $130 last year)
Oil changes: ~$30/year * 18 = $540
Tires: estimate 1 set every 2 years at $400/set (high estimate) * 9 = $3600
Maint & repairs: $2000 (high estimate, actually did all my own mechanic work)

Total: $48640
Annual cost: $2700
Weekly cost: $52
Daily cost: ~$7.40

Probably riddled with errors, but there it is, for whatever it's worth.


Not having to use urine scented public transportation:  PRICELESS!
 
2013-04-23 11:27:57 AM  
College towns are the way to go.  I live downtown in a three bedroom home with a $750/month mortgage, walk to work, get to see ACC basketball, football, and baseball, usually for free or dirt cheap.  Also get up-and-coming bands in town to play to all the college kids.  And a constantly churning supply of 18-26 year old women really tips the dating dynamic in the men's favor.  Best of both worlds.
 
2013-04-23 11:28:01 AM  
Article makes a big deal of how the 'average price for' something is higher in places other than NYC. Yeah, the 'average price' for a manicure is higher in a smaller town, because everyone charges the same. But NYC, you could find a manicure for $5 in the wrong corner of town, compared to the several places charging over $100. Enough of the former offsets the average. Alternatively I can believe that certain foodstuff is cheaper in NYC than the mid-west. They have a port, lots of fresh food comes in there. The cost for me to get unfrozen sea food or ripe fruit from Africa is going to be higher because of the transportation cost. But my grocery bill is lower, because I don't buy that stuff! Vegies at my farmers market were 1/10th the price of what the grocery store charged the last time I went to NYC...their farmers market was cheaper than their groceries, but not as cheap as buying it at the farm here.
 
2013-04-23 11:28:06 AM  

travoltron: So you've been to my hometown. Good for you for making it out alive. It's the land where dreams go to die.


I live in Binghamton, dude.

To some of these unfortunates, I may as well live in opulence in Hong Kong because my power stays on after a strong wind.

idsfa: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 500x323]


Saved.
 
2013-04-23 11:28:31 AM  
You know, I've lived happily in DC for over 15 years.  But the siren song of New York is hard to overcome.
 
2013-04-23 11:29:37 AM  

Lollipop165: PC LOAD LETTER: Pocket Ninja: Hm. Where is this $2,200/month studio apartment?

Mine cost $1,440 when I was living in Hell's Kitchen in 2000. $2,200 doesn't sound that unfeasible, though it does sound high.

In 2008, my rent was approx $2300 in the UES and I had a studio duplex. Although admittedly the bottom floor of the studio was in the basement (no windows) it did give me some extra square footage most other studios don't have. I work in Manhattan's rental market - in the  UWS you can find a studio reasonably for $2200 - although it will be small and in a walk up building and no amenities.  I pay only a bit above that in mortgage and maintenance for a large 2 bed/2ba in Queens now. If you are willing to go a bit higher into Harlem or East Harlem you can find a very nice 1 bedroom in that budget though. It won't be lux, but you'll have significantly more space.

I rent 200sf studios on Clinton street in a walk up building for approx $2k/mo. They are renovated, but the LES is getting insane with prices.

Regarding the article though, I remember in one of my anthro classes studying "garbology" (literally, people's garbage) and it was found that low income people were far more likely to buy brand name (and higher cost) food items, like Doritos or Cheerios than were their wealthier counterparts, who were far more likely to buy non-brand items, like "Key Food brand cheese chips" (aka doritos). The theory is that lower income people use name brand store items as a class marker, as spending an extra 50 cents is pretty much what defines the poor from the really poor, whereas wealthier people don't make the distinction and therefore have no preference as to which food brand they purchase.


So that is an observation without performing interviews?  That seems like studying elephant dung.  They're humans, ask questions!  I suspect the answer you'd get from them is "I dunno".  And "I dunno" = mesmerized to buy whatever the glowing box tells them to.
 
2013-04-23 11:31:00 AM  

James!: sigdiamond2000: James!: I spent 23 dollars on Vietnamese food the other day, had it delivered to my apartment after 11 at night and had enough for lunch the next day.

Uhhhh...ummmm...HISPTER!!11

Look at this motherfarker:
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There's three kinds of pork in that motherfarker.  DID YOU OBSERVE THOSE WORDS?

THREE KINDS OF PORK!


So you're saying your milking city, state and federal funds?
 
2013-04-23 11:31:12 AM  

freewill: Hate to say it, but rural upstate New York is some of the worst rural in the industrialized world. It's pretty out there and there are also lots of normal, happy, pleasant people, but holy shiat, you'll also meet some of the most isolated, pig-ignorant, toothless motherfarkers you can find in this country, and they're extremely bitter about it, resenting Syracuse and the other "big cities" *cough* and complaining about the evil influences of SUNY bringing in outsiders. I grew up in the rural midwest, but we still had the internet and flew on airplanes, for fark's sake.


grew up in upstate NY myself, and you're pretty much spot on.
 
2013-04-23 11:31:39 AM  

Ethertap: The way I look at living in a place like New York, Chicago, Boston, or San Francisco (among others) is that despite the high cost of living, at least theres things to do, places to go, and interesting things to eat.


I've been around long enough to know that there is a myth about how much better cities are for these things than being outside. London people are dreadful for thinking that the civilised world ends at Chiswick.

I live 80 miles west of London and I go and regularly see theatre, ballet, opera, live concerts and bands in Oxford, Bath or Bristol. I've got 2 restaurants within 20 miles that have 2 Michelin stars, pubs that get fish landed freshly from Cornwall each day, and one of the most highly renowned Japanese restaurants in the UK not far from me. Even shopping is no big deal now. I used to travel for coffee, books, music and wine, but I get it delivered now.
 
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